Alright so what they're being accused of is super fucked up and horrible but it really doesn't make any sense... like if they did something this fucking stupid they knew they had tons of tour dates left and they were going to get caught so very interested to hear more
Edit: nvm read the details they did that shit
I'm not taking anyone's side because picking either side and being wrong here is always going to be bad. This all went south real quick.
Soooo... Raped and Decapitated?
ugh fuck this
This shit is getting ugly now damn
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It's weird because I would have thought she would have mentioned this Earlier. I don't know what to believe.
Yikes. I don't wanna take sides at this point but the fact that several of the band members had different stories doesn't look good at all.
This is all kinds of fucked up, now it's just a case of seeing what comes out from both sides. Either outcome is going to be fucked either way.
Where's the joke title this time?
I'm still skeptical to be honest. Anything is possible, but why would a band on tour throw away their dream by gangbanging some random? Again anything is possible, but it seems more likely this is a disgruntled groupie. I really hope the opposite isn't true.
because drugs and alcohol??
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WHAT THE FUCK
never underestimate people's tendency to do stupid fucking things
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"because drugs and alcohol??"
Exactly. Why would a band throw away a tour, etc? Cause they're too stupid not to. Never underestimate the power of human self-sabotage.
Wow Sint nice work we agree for once.
The conflicting stories doesn't help. But Vogg seems to be fully cooperative so I'm inclined to believe he's the one that's most likely to be innocent, if it turns out the others did it. He gave a DNA sample, and the women seemed to acknowledge he helped them afterwards so he may have been unaware of what really happened in the bathroom. But in the case where he's found innocent and the others guilty, I hope this won't dissuade him from rebuilding Decapitated again.
never underestimate people's tendency to do stupid fucking things 
yeah but the fact is that they are a successful band, they dont need women to rape because women flock to them automatically. my shitty metal band played an opening gig for a band and every single bandmember ended up getting laid that night (except for me because reasons), and it was our first show ever.
I highly doubt these grown men raped and abducted a woman in the middle of their tour , I'm not saying it was IMPOSSIBLE but it's bizzare, kinda like Bill Gates robbing a bank. Why do it when he already has tons of money?
"women flock to them automatically"
I wouldn't just assume that, they're not Ed Sheeran
if the fat troglodytes in my old metal band could get laid by chicks much hotter than them after one show, I guarantee it would happen to just about any band
"my shitty metal band played an opening gig for a band and every single bandmember ended up getting laid that night (except for me because reasons), and it was our first show ever."
because it was valentines day and they all had girlfriends m8
Yeah but Sonoma you're assuming that there's any reason behind what allegedly happened here. Frequently (read: nearly always), when something like this does happen, there's no pause for reason or what the consequences may be.
Based on their reactions to police and differing accounts of what happened, they have a lot of explaining to do.
alright so after reading this article this really sounds legit. Idk if this still falls under kidnapping but it definitely sounds like rape and that is absolutely inexcusable. Fucking hell man
well i'm not automatically saying that they're innocent, but i'm just using a personal experience. it's definitely fishy that these guys are actually getting incarcerated.
lmao. some people thinking they probably all sat down and had a meeting about the pros and cons of banging some girl and how it would affect their careers. I bet everyone was shitfaced and the girl was even worse and so probably couldnt give consent.
"lmao. some people thinking they probably all sat down and had a meeting about the pros and cons of banging some girl and how it would affect their careers. I bet everyone was shitfaced and the girl was even worse and so probably couldnt give consent."
If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?
"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"
could use this argument maybe if it was just one guy and one girl. not in a 4 v 1 lol
Was seriously looking forward to seeing these guys on Saturday with Thy Art Is Murder. Reserving judgement until further development.
"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"
Uhh dude it's 2017, only women have to give consent.
They did it.
R.I.P. Decapitated's careers if this is true.
Ok so I just read the other article and I rescind my statement. Those dudes did that shit. I've never listened to this band once but fuck them
30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterprations of what consent is
Their statements DO sound like the words of guilty men.
30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterpretations of what consent is
as expected, sadly
like half the people on this site have even been in a position to ask for consent
This can't be true, women don't go to Decapitated shows
"30 comments in and we already got retarded misinterprations of what consent is"
explain in detail what consent is then big boy
When she says yes to the undress.
Retarded interpretations of consent and blatant victim blaming... would people simply shut the fuck up until there is hard evidence at hand? It's not your fucking place to speculate, blame, believe, judge. We got law enforcement and courts for that shit.
It's lookin real damn fishy for Decapitated but hey if they gang raped her than hopefully they'll realize the error of their ways when the same is done unto them in prison. If they DIDN'T rape her well then wtf woman
"We got law enforcement and courts for that shit. "
worked for OJ simpson
This is fucked up.
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I can't believe we even have to explain what consent is. If she's drunk, seems to be going along with it but hasn't said yes it's better to just stop and give yourself blueballs than face a rape accusation and if she tells you she doesn't want to, stop.
What genre are these? Power pop?
They're an 80s synth-pop revival duo Doof, like Tears For Fears but more goofy and with modern day social commentary
My instincts were dead. on. point.
What's the best place to start in their discog?
I'd start with Songs From the Big Negation, it's their masterpiece and a fan favourite
The irony of this event happening to a metal band called Decapitated
Awful shit tho
no doofus listen to winds fer fucks sakes11!!
Don't forget their hit song Spheres of Mad World
Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn.
^ imagine typing this
What do I do now that I've imagined it
Bad poster types shit; whole site suffers; fuck off. :DAB:.
"The irony of this event happening to a metal band called Decapitated"
What's ironic about this
it's ironic that a band is accused of gang raping someone and that decapitated is an unrelated word. classic irony zip, jesus.
ISN'T IT IRONIC? DON'T YA THINK?
A LITTLE TOOOOOO IRONIC
YEAH, I REALLY DO THINK
ITT: people who don't know what irony, or consent are.
The only one I'm really confident of being innocent is Vogg from what I read. My interpretation is he simply thought the others were having consensual sex in the bathroom (the article doesn't say anything about him being part of it, and that she clenched her fists into the wall to distract herself and didn't make any noise) and helped her clean up afterwards after the others disappeared. Of course that could all be disproved as further evidence comes out, but if that is the case then I'd expect Vogg to fire everyone else and restart the band afresh. It was never their band, it was his and Vitek's and I think he'd be damned if he's gonna let the other members ruin their name.
Innocent until proven guilty, this doesn't look good but if a woman accuses a man of rape in 2017, the public immediately side with the "victim" even before the verdict. If it turns out the allegation was false, the public still side with the victim, especially if the victim is female. The fucked up mess of this is it ruins the testimonies of actual rape victims. This allegation might be true, it might be false, but its not uncommon for someone to think "hey I wanna make some money and get some publicity" and do something like this. No matter how this turns out, the bands future is fucked. No one comes back from a rape accusation, even if its definitively proven false.
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Agreed. He also seems to be the only one cooperating with the police and acting like he has nothing to hide. (@Metulz)
Yeah can't wait to get all that rape money from a criminal case involving a touring death metal band with no fame or fortune to speak of.
Your post is farts
"Yeah can't wait to get all that rape money from a criminal case involving a touring death metal band with no fame or fortune to speak of."
a friend of my mother was accused of rape by his girlfriend, he was a successful composer, his name escapes me. She won, and was rewarded with a large amount of money as compensation. it was later discovered the womans own mother convinced her to accuse him of rape because she'd recently lost her job and couldn't afford to keep the house. If these women are proven right, they will be given compensation, a lot of fucking money, they could write books about it, the press will be all over it, they get exposure and money.
It sucks to be that cynical, but unfortunately Sweeney's not wrong.
These situations are always fucked up, no matter the outcome.
"It sucks to be that cynical, but unfortunately Sweeney's not wrong."
I don't like that I'm right, don't get me wrong, i think this situation no matter the outcome is awful and disgusting. If they did rape them, hope they're locked up until they're dead. If they didn't, I hope the two women are locked up for a long time, and the band are able to carry on
Oh, I'm not calling YOU cynical, personally. I just mean people in general, that are so "Eh, what the fuck, lemme ruin someone's life so I can try and get on easy street."
If you take a side on this you're a retard. Blinding being cynical about it and victim blaming is stupid and so is blindly blaming them before you even know if it's true or not.
"If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong?"
I can understand considering this argument in normal circumstances where it's mutual drunk sex and someone maybe regrets it, claims it's rape etc., but this was 3-4 dudes forcefully going at this one woman (if proven true). There's no equal responsibility there. Also being the person(s) initiating it kinda removed that ambiguity, you can't not consent to actions you're doing yourself.
Just speaking hypothetically based on the info in the article, not casting any judgement on this case itself yet, I mean it looks bad, but, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Hopefully anyone who's guilty in this scenario gets what they deserve, whoever it might be.
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'If everyone was shitfaced they couldn't give consent any more than she could so wouldn't everyone be in the wrong'
this is wrong, even in a 1 on 1 situation, the person in the wrong is the one who forced themselves upon the other even if they are intoxicated as well - it could be a drunk man forcing themseloves upon a drunk woman, or a drunk woman forcing themselves upon a drunk man, it rests with the person who initiated it
Sint I can't believe there are people ITT who don't understand this
If you're both pissed, she doesn't consent and you go ahead anyway you're in the wrong.
'if a woman accuses a man of rape in 2017, the public immediately side with the "victim" even before the verdict.'
you're joking right? there's always people spouting shit like 'she just wants a free check', case in point these comments. don't take treating an allegation seriously and making it as comfortable as possible for a potential victim to speak out as just saying they're telling the truth
'If it turns out the allegation was false, the public still side with the victim, especially if the victim is female.'
'The fucked up mess of this is it ruins the testimonies of actual rape victims.'
Only because morons on the internet take one example of a false accusation ande then apply it to every case ever. False accusations of rape make up an absolutely tiny percentage of overall accusations
'This allegation might be true, it might be false, but its not uncommon for someone to think "hey I wanna make some money and get some publicity" and do something like this.'
way to prove my point
' No matter how this turns out, the bands future is fucked. No one comes back from a rape accusation, even if its definitively proven false.'
Michael Gira seems pretty fine
ikr like no wonder ya'll afraid of rape accusations when no-one bothered to teach you consent
"I was drunk, I couldn't control myself!"
Oh, well, that's totally fine then! I'm sure you weren't in control of how much alcohol you consumed, we'll let it slide!
^Yep. Just read throughout the comments here, there are still people jumping to the side of the band without knowing anything(and it honestly looking pretty bad for them).
"Detectives noted she had “significant bruising to her upper arms consistent with being restrained” and “small abrasions to her knuckles that were scabbed over.” During the rape, she said, she “was digging her fist into the wall to try and distract herself from what was happening.”
People who still use being drunk as an excuse need fucking shooting. Learn consent, get some self control and don't hide behind excuses.
i'm sure people will take this as seriously as the xxxtentacion allegations
lol fr, i mean ive gotten pretty wasted loads before and never have i felt the urge to force myself on someone
yo tunaboy your article should say reader discretion not viewer discretion
"lol fr, i mean ive gotten pretty wasted loads before and never have i felt the urge to force myself on someone"
no decent person has
I've made a point to get consent even when we were both hammered, it's not difficult
Cheers tempest I'll change it now
It's about as stupid of an excuse as saying that "cheating while drunk" doesn't count. If your SO cheated on you while drunk, I highly doubt you'd excuse that. So don't excuse rape allegations.
Drink is more of a truth serum than something that makes you do something out of character. It removes your inhibitions and makes you forget about all the reasons you shouldn't do something potentially bad.
I typed something longwinded then deleted it because retards like Nomos lack the mental capacity to understand how wrong they are.
^Totally agree. If you're a piece of shit, you're even more of a piece of shit when you're drunk.
Never once when drunk have I ever thought of doing something so abhorrent. I think saying something stupid is fair, we all do that. This is different planet, alcohol is barely in the equation at this point.
"I typed something longwinded then deleted"
Thanks I really wanted to know that.
You're welcome Maco. I know you appreciate regular updates on my life. On that note, I'm going to go eat lunch. I'm not sure what I'll have but I'll be sure to shoutbox you once I get back.
You can also tell me if it was good or not.
Will do. I suspect it will be good.
Don't forget to have dessert.
From poland to us state penitentiary haha xD
Since people love making sweeping generalizations I want to make one too
All metalheads are rapists!!
space, pls shoutbox me too
My lunch was all right. Nothing too exciting. If anyone cares.
Hit the road jack, and dontcha come back Nomos Nomos Nomos
This case getting worse with every news. They are from my country so i hope they dont do this. Hard times for Decapitated. Album was amazing but now. Eh...
The members' stories are weak as fuck. "Sat on the couch and didn't see what was happening"? "Didn't recall what happened"? "No one was forced to get on the bus"? No, but it sure sounds like someone was forced to have sex! Absolutely fucking revolting. They better fucking get what's coming to them
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"Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn."
"I'm a "retard" because I took a side different than yours before anybody knows anything? Grow the fuck up you moron."
I wouldn't call you a retard, but I'd definitely call you a victim blamer. Especially when you literally just said "before anybody knows anything." Maybe have some fucking tact and understand your opinion (or side) isn't necessarily correct, and therefor spouting off bullshit about someone claiming rape because they regret their decisions isn't the best thing to say. You've obviously offended some people, and they're now calling you on your shit. That's a pretty grown-up thing to do in my opinion.
I'll admit after I read more articles, it's not looking good for the band. I just fuckin knee-jerk when people immediately jump to the victim's side when very few details are released or before there's an investigation. Too many times will people jump to an alleged victim's side, as people often sympathize and put themselves in that person's shoes first, and then start making assumptions and accusations, and in the end we find the alleged perpetrator's innocent and with a ruined reputation.
So ya I'm a hipocrite for making an assumption about her side of the story. I was trying to prove a point but got lazy and just blamed her.
In the end, we don't know a damned thing though, and should all just wait until more comes to light.
"-Stupid bad poster on a dying music rating site"
- Anime-loving new user gettin triggered
dude I don't give a shit, throw them in jail if they did it, they sucked for years anyway. gonna jam some winds of creation now, it's been a while.
only users with REG DATES BEFORE MINE are allowed to talk to me
Nazz is my best friend don't you dare shit on him >:[
thanks to tuna and sint for making some reasonable points before I had to throw some shade. Asking a question (particularly one to which the answer is either "yes" or "no") is not such a fucking complex concept.
yezus this is ugly
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no kidding. this looks pretty bad. wtf man
I think it is safe to say decapitated had one too many good beers
Beer more like rape juice
Lol at anyone in this thread having any faith in law enforcement whatsoever
This looks awful and so does this thread gj everyone as expected.
Lol Nomos it's ok to say, "I'll wait for the facts," but what you said was that the alleged victim was crying wolf. You remain retarded.
Come on brother HH rape isn't cool brother HH
i love rape threads you see all the shit users come out of the woodwork
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ctrl+f "retard" 5 of 5
but my comment got deleted?
"I just fuckin knee-jerk when people immediately jump to the victim's side when very few details are released or before there's an investigation"
to assume either was is to be equally irrational, just so you know brother
Rape or suicide yeah
"Ok so I just read the other article and I rescind my statement. Those dudes did that shit. "
"Drunk woman bangs whole band; suffers instant regret; claims rape. Yawn."
Man, this is a really bad time to have a name like Nicholas von Nuclearrape...what were my parents thinking?
You know you can change it
Idk, do you think it would hurt my metal cred?
I...I don't get it. Just the last name? Nuclear Rape does sound pretty bad I suppose
And nah Nicholas von "insertnamehere" sounds metal as fuck regardless, you'll keep all the creds man
You can always make a change brother HH it's never too late brother HH
Post in a lot of metal threads, say you like the albums that everyone else likes, say you hate the albums that everyone else hates, like a few "obscure" metal albums that have no review and rec them all the time to people, and then I don't care if your name is fuckin Gilbert or some shit but nothing can hurt your metal cred.
bloc has figured out my way of life
He just described the metal way of life m/
nicholas von irradiatedanus has a nice ring to it
These guys sound guilty as shit. If they didn't have anything to hide they'd all submit a DNA sample. Yet everyone has a different story, and only one is actually willing to give a sample. Sounds fishy to me.
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seems like rape to me.
I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Vogg will be cleared because he's co-operating like he doesn't personally have anything to hide. The other three, I can't be so sure.
and if Vogg is cleared, I will continue to support him and whatever iteration of Decapitated he returns with.
At this point I don't think it is irrational to side with the victim, don't really care for the verdict this isn't looking good for decapitated lol.
"At this point I don't think it is irrational to side with the victim"
Yeah, it actually is.
They're a stupid bunch if they did it tbh.
If it is true, this will be the most what-the-fuck thing in metal since Tim's attempt to have his wife whacked.
Decapitated are von nuclearapists
"don't really care for the verdict"
yeah good job
Sympathy isnt synonymous with taking their side
He ended his sentence with lol, can't take him seriously. This is no laughing matter.
We could just like
Wait until we find out more details
And also stop assuming that the girl is full of shit
Read this entire thread. Damn.
Attacking which side? I dont claim to know what really happened.
Lol wheres that bias at?
thread is vomit inducing unsurprisingly
also i swear this "why would they throw away their careers" comes up every damn time in these kinds of threads and people who say that have absolutely no clue what rape/sexual assault is often about
There's no point arguing, we will just have to wait and see what is said.
I can't be empathetic if I don't know the whole truth. There's no honest way to do it, if the truth comes out and they actually did all of this, then that's when I'll feel empathy for the victim(s).
And btw, you keep implying she would deserve sympathy if she was lying. In that was the case, why should i have any sympathy for her when she just put four guys through a rape investigation. I think id have more sympathy for the band.
ye faraudo knows
mental illness sadly is no excuse for a crime, my man sach
"also i swear this "why would they throw away their careers" comes up every damn time in these kinds of threads and people who say that have absolutely no clue what rape/sexual assault is often about"
"thread is vomit inducing unsurprisingly"
I think we all know flugmorph
There's plenty of reasons for lying about something that serious, being mentally ill could be one, but on other instances; people have done it just for the sake of attention. I could feel empathy for someone with a mental illness, yeah, but it's still a huge lie that affected a group of human beings severely, and probably for the rest of their lives. So, I would feel way more empathetic towards them than towards the alleged mentally ill person.
"there's the bias manifest"
Thats actually just me pointing out something i never thought id have to point out. Please, go through the thread, show me where my bias is showing. And not everyone who makes false allegatioms is mentally ill.
"And not everyone who makes false allegatioms is mentally ill"
Or in some cases a blend of both? Whether mentally ill or not it's severity cannot be undermined, which I do think you do to an extent. However, it's also the lack of sympathy that causes rape victims to step down, meaning perhaps we could show her somewhat more sympathy?
does the article say she is mentally ill? am i missing something here?
"to argue the irrationality of sympathising with someone that has either been a victim of quite a heinous crime OR is suffering from some kind of mental illness//dependency (that has forced them to concoct such horrific allegations) is to deny the worth of compassion and altruism"
I'm sorry dude, but in a situation of false allegations the accuser is 100% in the wrong, there is no compassion from me for people who make such damaging claims. Lives are ruined by this kind of stuff. Your argument seems to be that we should morally side with the accuser because either they're victims of a crime or victims of some illness, I don't buy that. This stuff should always be approached with "innocent until proven guilty"/neutrality until the final verdict. Nothing wrong with some speculation based on the info so far but siding with the band or the accuser until there's more evidence is jumping the gun. I'm sure the truth will come out and if these guys did what she said they did I hope they rot.
"perhaps not severely "mentally ill" per se, but to justify such serious wrongdoing requires at least one screw to be a little loose."
Yeah but man this could be applied to literally anything. I mean the band would have to be pretty fucked up to do what they're accused of doing, does the same compassion apply?
@dede I mean, since we dont know if the band did it, should we give them some sympathy? Not really how it works.
I think we should make it clear that the possibility that she was raped is very real but also quite possibly not raped at the same time.
Shit's fucked up no matter who is telling the truth.
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Exactly, you have to be mentally unstable to rape/kidnap people. Do they deserve sympathy too.
And in what other context would people be able to talk about having sympathy for someone who would do something so reprehensible? Like i get having basic sympathy for any living creature, but im not gonna feel bad for someone if they get fucked (not literally) for doing something as potentially life ruining as making false rape accusations. Fuck those people.
After that Sputnik Circle jerk Thread it's 'good' to be reminded how many mouth breathers there are on this site. The excuses started with 'they couldnt have done it because why would they would ruin their whole tour' Seriously. Absolute basket cases.
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we'll always have spheres
All you can really do is treat the claim seriously I think. Don't dismiss it, don't take it as undeniable truth, just wait it out for the evidence and the verdict.
Everything scuro said 
"All you can really do is treat the claim seriously I think. Don't dismiss it, don't take it as undeniable truth, just wait it out for the evidence and the verdict. "
Pretty much, yeah. No one but them knows what really happened, so we'll just have to wait and see. If they did it, they can fucking rot in a prison cell. If they didn't, hopefully they'll be able to overcome false accusations and keep making music/touring.
doesnt help they fit the description either huh fellas??
"If you take a side on this you're a retard. Blinding being cynical about it and victim blaming is stupid and so is blindly blaming them before you even know if it's true or not. "
Not taking a side, I explicitly said innocent until proven guilty, that means I'm not taking any side until we have a verdict
It doesn't help that 3 of them aren't co-operating with police. Doesn't look good, then again it could just be a language thing.
*runs into thread, sweat dripping down my brow, panting heavily*
the courts are biased against rape accusers and rape mythologies are allowed to be used in court against a jury who don't know better so legal standing of a case doesn't mean shit
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also fwiw lots of false rape allegents *have* been found to have been abused previously, and, as with most things, it doesn't have to be either or -- we can feel aggrieved for the people who false allegations were levelled against WHILE acknowleding mental illness is fucking awful and people can genuinely believe things and not heaping undue scorn on them
Band's FB, Twitter and Instagram seem to be closed. Tour dates removed from site too.
Yeah the promoter in my city announced that they'd dropped off the tour (duh)and that Thy Art is Murder and Fallujah would be going on without them
where is witchxrapist when you need his opinion for once
"Yeah the promoter in my city announced that they'd dropped off the tour (duh)and that Thy Art is Murder and Fallujah would be going on without them"
damn, you goin to this show bud?
Tunaboy, it's obviously a language thing. Which by the way makes comments like "their statements aren't lining up" ridiculous. Even more so as we've only heard the side of the police.
I'd be pretty disgusted if this was true. However, that statement from the police does leave a lot of room for questions. (Which isn't taking sides, just asking questions. No, I didn't read through this whole thread, sorry)
1. So one dude (presumably their tour manager) is in his bunk sleeping while someone is getting raped? Afaik the toilets are in front of the bunks.
2. Going to the bathroom first if you're feeling like you're in danger? Also it says she let her friend know it's time to leave, but then the band could enter the bathroom? Where was the other girl?
3. I don't see how multiple people are supposed to fit in a bus toilet
4. Where was the crew/bus driver? Obviously they drove off with the main accuser still in the bus. These guys would have noticed someone was getting raped, right?
5. The second girl said she first watched the other getting raped, then got off the bus, then drove off without her. She did not call the police. Was then stopped for DUI. Suddenly this story emerges.
6. The injuries. Keeping in mind that she had just been at a death metal show, they could in fact be from that. Police also only talked about wounds on her hands. Maybe this is because of privacy reasons, I don't know.
7. Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway? What do you expect to happen? I don't mean this accusatory as in "if she got raped she got what was coming for her", not at all. Again, if rape did occur, that's just fucking disgusting. However, I have female friends who did turn down offers from bands to join them in their bus, because they knew that meant sex.
If any of you could clear any of my points up for me, that'd be great. I guess we'll have to wait for the other side of the story anyways.
Keep in mind - innocent until proven guilty.
Sad shit either way
this guy should be leading the fucking investigation ^^^
there's enough doubt on both sides in this, I couldn't pick a side even if I wanted to
Good points, JohnFire
seriously alarming how often this happens
let alone the cases that aren't reported
shitty people with influence do shitty things
"damn, you goin to this show bud?"
Was on the fence because the brass monkey is a pain in the ass to get to without a car and now that Decapitated has dropped off I definitely won't
this is just shitty all round, for everyone
Especially the clarinet cover guy
all Decapitated merch 80% off!
Shit, id buy some.
Damn all these decapitated puns for making me laugh
Gimme some of that merch.
or ill DECAPITATED you.
Just posted this on Facebook:
"While we are not perfect human beings, we are not kidnappers, rapists, or criminals. As such, we strongly deny the allegations that have recently been brought against us.
We ask that everyone please reserve their judgement until a definitive outcome has been reached, as charges have yet to be pressed. Full testimony and evidence will be presented in due time, and we have faith in that process.
As there is uncertainty regarding a timeline for prospective proceedings and out of respect for fans and promoters, due to the severity of the claims, we have cancelled all planned touring.
All social media platforms have been temporarily disabled as they have been used as destinations for defamatory and malicious remarks. We would like to point out that the statements in the published police report were given prior to an arrest. At that point, no member of the band was aware of an active warrant being issued."
Really hope thats the truth.
Fair. But the way it's headed, I think it will at the very least go to court.
"Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway?"
I believe that's supposed to be a pretty cool experience normally, not a traumatizing one.
"Going to the bathroom first when feeling like you're in danger?"
It's so easy to read the story and determine what would've been the best way for the victim to get out of the situation. Fact is, no one is exactly rational in situations like these. Also this is just another variation of victim blaming anyway
And sure, death metal shows can get rowdy, but actual bruises from that? What, have Decapitated fans skipped the moshing thing and moved on to just straight punching the shit out of each other now?
"Why would you get on a bus of a band anyway?"
What a dumb fucking question, why would you not get on a bands tour bus.
@cylider how could that be victim blaming when we dont know if shes a victim yet. People keep using that phrase, but legally there is no victim as of now, just the accuser and the accused.
You're right I'm just saying that kind of reasoning is faulty no matter what, especially when he was acting like those were 'fishy' parts of the story (the 'getting on the bus' and the 'going to the bathroom first') like no those do not negate the accusation in any way
Agreed. That user seems pretty retarded.
That article is basically just saying things decent people already know
This news thread was taken seriously for like 5 minutes...
That article is basically just saying things decent people already know 
That article is basically just saying things decent people already know
apparently decent people are not very prominent itt
Because that's what's at stake here. The reputation of quintessential death metal group Decapitated
Like that is at stake too but I don't think viewing this situation through the lens of their band's career or w/e is exactly productive
"And sure, death metal shows can get rowdy, but actual bruises from that? What, have Decapitated fans skipped the moshing thing and moved on to just straight punching the shit out of each other now?"
Pretty easy to walk out of a mosh pit with some bruises, no idea what you're talking about here.
You can get goddamn thrown around when you're moshing mate, especially if you're not a big lad.
There's no way this ends well
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It's also possible to go to metal shows and not mosh at all
You don't say?
what the fuck
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ok that's a point I prob don't have the experience to speak on, ugh now I'm deviating. We'll see how all this goes
Oh shit I missed out hearing this.
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actually a good Metalsucks article there.
actually a good Metalsucks article there. 
That metalsucks article was wonderful, it lays the bare facts down and calls out the inherent bullshit of victim blaming.
Good Metalsucks articles are hard to come by.
Her first mistake was going to a Decapitated show. They suck.
stop victim blaming, asshole!
There's no denying her music taste is shite.
Anyway, that bus comment up there really isn't that far off. It's widely known that sluts, whackos, freaks, and imbeciles are usually the group to line up to get on a band's tour bus.
“We have witnesses that can testify to the fact that the accuser came to visit the band of her own free will and left on good terms,” he said. “The accuser has a documented history of providing false information to the police dating back to 2014.”
"a volunteer of The Pin, 412 W. Sprague Ave., where the show took place, said that after the show and before they were in the bus, that the two women were “groping” and “all over” the lead singer and another member of the band, touching their backs, sides and chests – “feeling them up” – to the point where the men asked security if they needed to be kicked out.
He told police after clearing more equipment out of the venue that he saw through the bus doors one woman chugging a clear liquid, which he believed to be alcohol."
"Later that night, the woman who said she escaped was stopped for a DUI just after midnight. The Washington State Patrol trooper who made the stop said the woman didn’t mention a sexual assault when he pulled her over, or when he took her into custody."
And the plot thickens. Sheeesh
sucks if you she is lying because she kind of ruined the reputation regardless
Tbh, the story that an entire band would engage in rape seems highly unøikely, wouldnt you guys agree?
Isn't this pretty much looking worse and worse for these guys as more information comes out. As more information comes out I'm finding it harder to not believe it. I don't like how people take definite sides though. Blindly denying it because they are fanboys or blindly believing it because they want to get on their moral high horse.
Doesn't look good, though.
As an aside, I could never be in a band like this. Even if people were just having sex like a few feet away from me in a bathroom, I'd feel super weird. Guess I'll never go on tour with a band. Unless they're prudes. Not to say it's wrong or anything but it'd just be strange.
"wouldnt you guys agree?"
unlikely, but not un-possible. The nature of consent is complicated, and sometimes people give consent when in a state of mind that compromises their ability to think rationally--and therefore give "true" consent. Point being, a person can end up being taken advantage of by others while impaired, after having "given consent," but without things being truly consensual. It's totally plausible that something like that could've happened here.
Led Zeppelin did the darnest things while on tour with groupies,
like most bands do.
"Isn't this pretty much looking worse and worse for these guys as more information comes out."
based on johnfire's link, no.
Seriously? Lol ya'all are delusional, then.
How does that make them look worse, retard.
Having a band orgy would be weird for me.
You get used to it. After awhile its just like "oh im in another band orgy, alrighty then."
i lost my virginity in a three way with one of my friends so....... not weird i guess
jk but this chick wanted to fuck us behind a panera in broad daylight she was wild
hahah she wanted to eiffel tower my friend and me behind a panera bread near our high school. idk why she wanted that but we ended up passing and then a couple of my friends caught her blowing another dude in basically the same spot, just a few stores down behind the giant grocery store lmfao.
Fictional stories are fun
thanks bro i already got a movie deal out of it
I can already see Dane Cook playing you
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hopefully they can get amy schumer and carlos mencia too
Damnnnn, I knew it!
You know being "charged" doesnt mean being found guilty, right.
There's no way that Vogg had a part in it, it sounds like he may have seen what happened at the least. Dude's happily married with kids and based on interviews just a few weeks prior, it doesn't make sense for him to have committed something like this. There's also the fact that he was the only one to give up a dna sample and was witnessed helping the girl off of the bus. This is really fucked up and it sounds like there is another side to the story for sure. Whoever is at fault, either for rape or false accusal, deserves full punishment.
The wheels of justice turn slowly...
keeping them locked up for over a month is quite serious
"Dude's happily married with kids and based on interviews just a few weeks prior, it doesn't make sense for him to have committed something like this. "
yeah ha ha married dudes never commit sexual violence ha mystery solved got eeeem
"keeping them locked up for over a month is quite serious"
actually kinda yeah. I think Randy Blythe was only in that Czech jail for like a month when that all happened.
That was a really retarded thought, lampshade.
A month is basically nothing in the justice system. Especially the US justice system.
"How long would it typically take for a case like this to play out in the courts?
It really depends on several different factors, one being if the case goes to trial or ends in a plea bargain. I don’t know what’s going to happen here: it could be six months, it could be eight, or it could be a year and a half."
Yeah its pretty fuckin ridiculous. "Oops, you were found innocent. Sorry for the year we took away from your life! Have a good one!" Not saying i think theyre innocent, but it happens that way.
Band released without bail, trial set for Jan. 16th. Member of Thy Art gave testimony on their behalf.
Fucking insane to keep them 3 months in jail like this
It sounds like god news for them then. If it was extremely likely that they did it, I doubt the judge would have let them out of jail without bail and say that if they really want/have to, they can return to Poland on the condition of signing extradition waivers. That's a lot of trust to put in them.
Released without bail doesn't really mean that much in terms of innocence/guilt. It's typically more related to factors surrounding what could potentially happen if they were to meet bail, things related to flight risks or danger to the community.
Also, that's not what the article says about extradition waivers.
"As part of their release conditions, Judge Julie McKay ordered them to stay in Washington, but they can leave Spokane County until ordered to return. They were ordered to turn in their passport, and in the case they do return to Poland, were ordered to sign waivers of extradition, meaning Poland would be required to extradite them to Spokane. "
They can't just go back to Poland. Even if they had their passports with them, Poland would be required to return them to Spokane. Basically, they can go around Washington state, but that's about it.
Ah right, I misread.
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and now their reputations have inevitably been tarnished
They’re not technically cleared. The case was only dropped for the “well being of the accuser.”
Basically giving the prosecution more time to build a case because the evidence they have now is insufficient.
This woman lied to authorities in 2014.
You're all too kind, thank you. I wasn't stating a fact, only my opinion. Perhaps my wording was a little decisive, but I don't give a fuck really. My opinion was only directed at Vogg, whom didn't seem guilty based on the circumstances, the lack of motive, AND the evidence and actions on his behalf. I didn't say that he didn't do it because he was married, I said that none of it made sense. There's a difference between the two.