Jesse Lacey Allegations

2017-11-12 by Drubbi | 852 Comments
Jesse Lacey, vocalist of Brand New, has responded today to allegations that he had sexual relations with a woman while she was only 15. The statement is on the official Brand New FB page, but can also be read below:

In an effort to address recent events and the public conversation currently happening, I feel it is important to make a clear and personal statement.

The actions of my past have caused pain and harm to a number of people, and I want to say that I am absolutely sorry. I do not stand in defense of myself nor do I forgive myself. I was selfish, narcissistic, and insensitive in my past, and there are a number of people who have had to shoulder the burden of my failures. I apologize for the hurt I have caused, and hope to be able to take the correct actions to earn forgiveness and trust.

Early on in my life, I developed a dependent and addictive relationship with sex. I was scared of it, ashamed, and unwilling or unable to admit it, and so it grew into a consistent and terrible problem. Years ago, after admitting my habits and cheating to my then soon to be wife, I began to approach my problem in a serious way. I entered professional treatment, both in group therapy and individual counseling, and revealed the realities of what a terrible place I had gotten to in my life, and what a terrible impact my actions had on people.

Lust, sex, love, and arousal were coping tools for me, and I returned to them repeatedly. I detached my own feelings and emotions from most of my sexual interactions. I hid, or lied about my behavior to escape reproach. I was a habitual cheater. I have been unfaithful in many, if not most of my relationships, including the relationship with my wife, who has with all of her might, patience, and grace, tried to hold our marriage together, despite having to endure the pain of the revelations of my past. It is heart wrenching that the most important changes in my life have come at the expense of others.

I am sorry for how I have hurt people, mistreated them, lied, and cheated. I am sorry for ignoring the way in which my position, status, and power as a member of a band affected the way people viewed me or their approach to their interactions with me. And I am sorry for how often I have not afforded women the respect, support, or honesty that they deserved, and which is their right. I believe in the equality and autonomy of all, but in my life I have been more of a detriment to these ideals than an advocate.

I am working to shed all my narcissism and my self obsession, and to be better. In sobriety I have changed my life and my mind in real and important ways. I have also revealed the truth of my behaviors to myself and to others. I do not have words to express the patience and help my wife has offered me. I love my family with an intensity and realness that I have never felt before, and as a husband and a father I have been granted the opportunity to wake up each day with the intent to serve my family and the people around me, and to feel, for the first time that I have purpose.

The fact remains that none of us get to put a wall up between who we are and who we were. I need to earn forgiveness. Concepts like repentance, compassion, and love, are made real through actions, and it’s through my actions that I need to prove change. I hope I can show humility, and that the pain I have caused people can heal. I am not above reproach, and no one should be.

Jesse Lacey


Link to statement: https://www.facebook.com/BrandNew/posts/10155923794753023

Tagged: Brand New

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XXXTENTACION
November 12th 2017
267 Comments


someone step to me to defend this piece of shit. I dare you.

smaugman
November 12th 2017
4416 Comments


Xxx are you crazy or something

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
16336 Comments


Lordy, he’s apologising for something - so some shit must have gone down.

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Scoot
November 12th 2017
18768 Comments


sadly there will surely be more stories surfacing from the early 2000s warped tour era, the whole scene was full of shit like this

not much to say about jesse, he is his own biggest fan and this was clearly written with the help of a lawyer

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Dewinged
November 12th 2017
6346 Comments


In case someone didn't know yet.

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americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJtSg5FOdos

RabbitSeason
November 12th 2017
10 Comments


he sounds like piece of shit. the lack of denial makes it seem like he wants to change, but he should probably lose everything for what he's done. might deserve prison.

he can only start again from the bottom

smaugman
November 12th 2017
4416 Comments


To say entire industries are fucked is weird. There is still a very small minority accused. Hollywood tho is another story

XXXTENTACION
November 12th 2017
267 Comments


who the FUCK deleted my comment

americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


"no, but I've seen too many people trying to excuse PREDATORY AND PEDOPHILIC behavior by saying, "their music is still good" or "the music industry is fuxked anyways". I'm not with it."

*Ephebophilia


americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


"To say entire industries are fucked is weird. There is still a very small minority accused. Hollywood tho is another story"

Come on man 99% of these bands were fucking underage scene girls.


Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


"*Ephebophilia"

congrats, ur THAT guy

americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


The Age Of Consent Should Be Lowered To 13!!!

#RoyMooreDinduNuffin

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


I notice how this guy didn't address the fact that the accuser was allegedly 15 at all

SpiritCrusher2
November 12th 2017
5704 Comments


yea he didn't really address the incident at all

grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


spirit you obviously don't read between the lines

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


"I have lots of sex with ppl who aren't my wife HALP ME" - response to getting accused of sex with a 15 year old

up there with Kevin spaceys response tbh lmao

VaxXi
November 12th 2017
4134 Comments


lol of course he wouldn't mention the victim age/incident in details
just put out an apology that looks sincere enough and then cross your fingers most of your fans don't look into what exactly he's being accused of

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


Nonono we don't need to do this again

Crysis
Emeritus
November 12th 2017
17288 Comments


lol this guy is a piece of shit it's like he's trying to get everyone to feel sorry for him

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


"In an effort to address recent events and the public conversation currently happening, I feel it is important to make a clear and personal statement.
...
The fact remains that none of us get to put a wall up between who we are and who we were. I need to earn forgiveness. Concepts like repentance, compassion, and love, are made real through actions, and it’s through my actions that I need to prove change. I hope I can show humility, and that the pain I have caused people can heal. I am not above reproach, and no one should be.
Jesse Lacey"


Yeah, but did you do it tho

VirtualBlaze
November 12th 2017
653 Comments




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americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


I don't know why these guys don't just deny, deny, deny.

Roy Moore's going to be elected Senator by just saying "fake news" and carrying on. These half-hearted apologies make no sense.

owen
November 12th 2017
4935 Comments


pop punk vocalist is a pedo, damn never saw that one coming!

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EyesWideShut
November 12th 2017
4568 Comments


I notice how this guy didn't address the fact that the accuser was allegedly 15 at all [2]

smooth move Lace

trackbytrackreviews
November 12th 2017
3338 Comments


I know everyone is gonna scream at me omg separate the art from the artist!!1!... but listening to Brand New now definitely feels a little weird

armfarm
November 12th 2017
586 Comments


If you're around my age (late 20s) you've known hes been a massive piece of shit for at least 10 years. And without guilt it actually hasnt stopped me from enjoying their music. I can disconnect one from the other, but i know a lot of people can't and rightfully so.

armfarm
November 12th 2017
586 Comments


"I don't know why these guys don't just deny, deny, deny.

Roy Moore's going to be elected Senator by just saying "fake news" and carrying on. These half-hearted apologies make no sense."

Its guilt mixed with self interest, where the self interest prevails, but the guilt remains. Moore has no guilt or perspective at all.

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line? i doubt there are ppl blasting lost prophets rn for example

TheMrAlexK
November 12th 2017
8750 Comments


Nobody cares that you cheat dude lol... not what this is about like at all

VaxXi
November 12th 2017
4134 Comments


'where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line?'

obviously the line is 'artists i like'

731
November 12th 2017
677 Comments


188k monthly listeners on spotify

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


He doesn't even admit to the incident directly

RadicalEd
November 12th 2017
8574 Comments


"where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line? i doubt there are ppl blasting lost prophets rn for example"

People are blasting MJ. They are watching Kevin Spacey Movies. They are certainly watching Weinstein Company movies. They are reading dostojewski even tho he hated jews. I'd venture to say that a lot of artists who are/were very popular have done horrible, fucked up shit and their art still remains popular. It's valid to seperate the artist from the art imo.

AdolfChrist
November 12th 2017
12937 Comments


I mean, the guy in lostprophets raped babies...jesse had a manipulative relationship with a 15 year old, and they didnt even fuck until she was 19. Still fucked obviously but not even in the same ballpark.

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neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


waitwaitwait
the lostprophets guy did what?

SpiritCrusher2
November 12th 2017
5704 Comments


"even tho I hated jews"

do you still hate them?

armfarm
November 12th 2017
586 Comments


obviously the line is 'artists i like'

VaxXi you're 100% correct. Im a big stand up comedy fan but i cant listen to Louis CK after all this. too much of it reflects his actual misconducts disguised as jokes. Lacey's lyrics definitely also have that quality within them and are very hard to listen to now. But he isnt just a guy on stage ranting. Ive always related more to the music than Jesse's lyrics.

I draw the parallel of Woody Allen who married his adoptive daughter and has also been a massive misogynist but also made some of the best movies of all time

Is he a terrible person? Yes
Should he be held accountable? Definitely Yes
Should he not be allowed to work in Hollywood again? a resounding yes.
Are those movies still good movies? Sadly yes.

americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


"They are reading dostojewski even tho I hated jews."

??

AdolfChrist
November 12th 2017
12937 Comments


@neek he literally raped babies, you didnt hear about that?

onionbubs
November 12th 2017
6771 Comments


yea neek watkins is fucked. look it up there’s a lot to unpack there

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ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


I wonder when Jesse will announce that he chooses to live as a gay man.

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BlackwaterPork
November 12th 2017
1648 Comments


Yeah how did you not hear about that shit

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neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


I just did jesus fuck that's despicable

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


Apparently Ian Watkins is allowed to tweet from prison, lmao what.

BlackwaterPork
November 12th 2017
1648 Comments


Yeah when I heard it on the radio at the time I literally didn't know what to say, I sorta just sat there in disgust

americanohno
November 12th 2017
1865 Comments


last train home is still a bangin song tho

Danred97
November 12th 2017
1487 Comments


Well, this sucks. Feel bad for the victim(s). Sad thing is that this isn’t surprising. Jesse’s music is all about him being a piece of shit. Now we just have specifics. Still will listen to Brand New, and will still be one of my favorite bands. At least Jesse apologized (half-hearted as it may be). He deserves whatever repercussions come his way. Hopefully he has made a real effort to better himself and I hope he at least privately apologizes to the victims directly. Anyway, there’s my 2 cents.

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ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


Jesse being a piece of shit shouldn't affect anyone's enjoyment of the music.

"Hopefully he has made a real effort to better himself and I hope he at least privately apologizes to the victims directly."

One of the victims (A girl named Leah, the one who was 15) replied to Jesse's statement on the Facebook and it was absolutely scathing, it turned into a giant shitstorm I think it's still up.

Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


this thread is boring AF

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Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


XXXtentacion you should chill... dafuq is wrong with you brah? 1'ing brand new albums all of a sudden, did Lacey touch you too? snoflaik

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
16336 Comments


Michael Jackson built a whole amusement park to snare kiddies and made their parents millionaires - this dude has so much catching up to do.

MJ is still the king at this.

onionbubs
November 12th 2017
6771 Comments


don’t know if brand new money is enough to do that

Dctarga
November 12th 2017
1140 Comments


Well, this sucks. Feel bad for the victim(s). Sad thing is that this isn’t surprising [2]

I mean, we knew the guy was a piece of work, but I guess I expected him to at least address the fact that she was underage. His statement is just so tone-deaf, I think I'm out.

BlackwaterPork
November 12th 2017
1648 Comments


Yeah he knew how to snatch some undeveloped genitalia

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


umm no he didn't doof

also he was acquitted of all charges and denied all allegations til his death

BlackwaterPork
November 12th 2017
1648 Comments


He definitely did some bad shit key

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
16336 Comments


C’mon, he clearly missed out on a normal childhood and had a lot of issues

BlackwaterPork
November 12th 2017
1648 Comments


[2]

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


ah yes he had a lot of issues growing up so it must be true



someguest
November 12th 2017
28753 Comments


Another week, another pop punk artist abusing minors.

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


"Another week, another pop punk artist abusing minors."

Why can't we just go back to having pop punk artists kick minors off stages, like Parker Cannon of The Story So Far?

someguest
November 12th 2017
28753 Comments


The people who have abused probably think it's okay because all their fans are 14.

Hint: It doesn't make it okay. Do their moms or something.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


I notice how this guy didn't address the fact that the accuser was allegedly 15 at all [3]
Yeah so Jesse's a perverted douche. His 'apology' was more to cover his ass than to truly show remorse.

I still enjoy and will continue to enjoy Brand New though.

Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


girl said he never touched her until she was 19... so...

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Also this is another link in https where sput still can't handle https links smh

someguest
November 12th 2017
28753 Comments


He was still showin' Mr. Johnson off.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


[2]

Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


yeah he was, and she said she has screenshots, why was she taking them? either she liked it, or she wanted to brag about it... or maybe use them against him in order to get some money, if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?

Dctarga
November 12th 2017
1140 Comments


"if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?"

That's super tight and all, but uhh she was 15. He's a piece of shit for even attempting to start/groom that relationship.

Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


how could he know she was 15??? I'm just assuming shit bruv, I don't know if she told him or not, she doesn't mention it so maybe she never did... if she did, then it's Lacey's fault...

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


"yeah he was, and she said she has screenshots, why was she taking them? either she liked it, or she wanted to brag about it... or maybe use them against him in order to get some money, if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?"

how does this absolve him of pulling his shit out in the first place again

pjorn
November 12th 2017
4225 Comments


^ yikes

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


this dude man lmfao

Piripichotes
November 12th 2017
413 Comments


"how does this absolve him of pulling his shit out in the first place again"

Like you, I don't know, a no one knows how it went... maybe she asked him for it, maybe he suggested it... maybe at the time he was pulling his stuff he didn't know she was 15... or maybe he pulled his stuff when she was 17... who knows bruv? everyone's implying shit...

cryptologous
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
1807 Comments


allegations
allegation
allegaton
allegaon
allegaeon
shit band

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


"allegaeon"
"shit band"
You take that back.

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


"His dick obviously wasn't her favorite weapon."
Aight can we ban him now?

Dctarga
November 12th 2017
1140 Comments


I mean, even if she didn't tell him initially or if he didn't ask at all, I'm pretty sure he knew soon thereafter. Like, he gave her an e-mail address, pretty sure she was living at her parents house so he couldn't call? See what I'm saying? Feels like a red flag to me. I don't see how the "Oh he didn't know her age" argument works at all

"everyone's implying shit"
While that is true, that fact that this situation even exits is despicable. There should be no reason to try and pin-point exactly the timing or who said what. I mean legally yeah maybe it's good to figure out wtf happened. But the court of public opinion shouldn't be "well wait, how did this go down exactly? Maybe hes not THAT big of a piece of shit"

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


It's far from the worst joke that's been made about a situation like this. Calm down, Jesse admitted to being a piece of shit, no-one's denying that.

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


"Like you, I don't know, a no one knows how it went... maybe she asked him for it, maybe he suggested it... maybe at the time he was pulling his stuff he didn't know she was 15... or maybe he pulled his stuff when she was 17... who knows bruv? everyone's implying shit... "

was this on omegle or some shit? i thought they knew each other

someguest
November 12th 2017
28753 Comments


I always thought Lacey was gay.

Not shittin' you.

Keyblade
November 12th 2017
24976 Comments


fuck kinda name is jesse lacey

sounds like a pornstar

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Can we address the fact that some people on FB are calling the allegations fake and said the girl's lying because she said he did it over skype and skype wasn't a thing back then

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


If they're fake allegations, why would Jesse admit to them?

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Exactly- some morons on facebook are saying otherwise

Dctarga
November 12th 2017
1140 Comments


^^^

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


Like why would you argue someone's innocence when they admit their guilt? It's not like he's trying to cover for someone, Jesse Lacey did some shit with teens online and got outed.

Relinquished
November 12th 2017
36574 Comments


skype started like in 2005 tho

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


"Skype
Software
Skype is a telecommunications application software product that specializes in providing video chat and voice calls between computers, tablets, mobile devices, the Xbox One console, and smartwatches via the Internet and to regular telephones. Wikipedia
Initial release date: August 2003"

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


2003 actually. Tell that to the FB retards

Relinquished
November 12th 2017
36574 Comments


yea but the widespread use of it started around late '05

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


I miss MSN Messenger tbh

grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


If you read the girls statement it implies their relationship started with just her sending nudes and then it evolved to include skype later.

teamster
November 12th 2017
2023 Comments


I am so glad I have never heard of the dude/band....

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Ebola
November 12th 2017
2867 Comments


Brilliant move. Responding to the allegations with a rambling statement that doesn't even mention them. What a man.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Right, that takes literally no courage, smh

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


he can't exactly admit to the underage thing though. admitting to soliciting child pornography is a bad idea. he could get into legal trouble if he mentioned it.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


He could still address the allegation directly without mentioning the underage part.

AdolfChrist
November 12th 2017
12937 Comments


Who in their right mind would incriminate themselves like that.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


"I, Jesse Lacey, have also admittedly skyped with girls before, and had them watch me masturbate, and similarly naughty activities over photo and video."

Instead of just "I'm addicted to sex feel bad for me pls"

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


"Responding to the allegations with a rambling statement that doesn't even mention them. "
He won't even deny it either

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


I mean it'd be honest at least.

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


Not denying it is his way of admitting it without incriminating himself


MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Seems he's content with being a dishonest dick

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


one who doesn't want to put behind bars yeah

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


He's still an asshole regardless.

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


no denying that, I'm just trying to explain why he would not want to firmly declare criminal activities

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


It must suck having these types of allegations against your all-time favorite artist. Sowing must've had an existential crisis lol

EyesWideShut
November 12th 2017
4568 Comments


How old was Lace during those 15 year old allegations ?

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


it's not easy, not because I'm uncomfortable with the fact of listening to the work of a bad person, but because watching the fanbase crumble is breaking my heart. This was such a great year for them, they got critical acclaim from mainstream publications with the new album, it went to #1 on the charts, and they were supposed to ride off into the sunset with an amazing legacy. Now people are denouncing them and the perfect ending is shattered, and all those fans who quit on them just make me so sad.

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
14994 Comments


Well, maybe JL shouldn't be a piece of shit?

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Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
14994 Comments


Fuck their "perfect ending"

Cygnatti
November 12th 2017
31985 Comments


a story told in 2 parts
https://i.imgur.com/93790Ta.png

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


"Not denying it is his way of admitting it without incriminating himself"
No doubt

Evokaphile
November 12th 2017
5826 Comments


"It must suck having these types of allegations against your all-time favorite artist. Sowing must've had an existential crisis lol"

If we can't burn our idols they soon become our shackles.

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grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


what's weird is that in other forums Jesse has a lot of defenders. Mostly from women who empathize with the situation and admit they would eagerly trade places with the victim if they were in the same situation.
Makes you think.

Cygnatti
November 12th 2017
31985 Comments


a lot previously teenage girls kicking themselves over missing this oppurtunity...

neekafat
November 12th 2017
5898 Comments


weird

Futures
November 12th 2017
9693 Comments


gonna jam lostprophets

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zakalwe
November 12th 2017
23347 Comments


I have the photos.
He’s hung like a grain of rice.

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
14994 Comments


Microscopic, you say?

ThumbNail
November 12th 2017
568 Comments


"He's hung like a grain of rice."

My sides

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
16336 Comments


Zak he’d applied a 200% zoom to them too

Cygnatti
November 12th 2017
31985 Comments


zak, DM me.

Feather
November 12th 2017
3943 Comments


ehhh okay.

zaruyache
November 12th 2017
17881 Comments


"Makes you think."

It's no secret that people don't take sex abuse seriously when it involves someone they find attractive.


yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


"what's weird is that in other forums Jesse has a lot of defenders. Mostly from women who empathize with the situation and admit they would eagerly trade places with the victim if they were in the same situation.
Makes you think."

Yeah man, it makes you think about how predatory male behavior, extremely imbalanced relationships and internalized misogyny are normalized and that's why the band scene gets away with so much abusive shit.

Seriously, I can't read the tone of this comment properly but if you're implying something negative of why the victim is just accusing him now, fuck off.

Trebor.
Staff Reviewer
November 12th 2017
55354 Comments


I'm a sex addict lol

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Prancer
November 12th 2017
464 Comments


I choose now to live as a gay man.

yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


I didn't know her age bro, I thought she looked 20...

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


i mean i get what shes saying but im a gay sex addict so its all good

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Crymsonblaze
November 12th 2017
8214 Comments


I’ll still listen to Brand New, just like I’m going to continue watching good Spacey movies. It’s not that hard to just take the product for what it is

Idk I just can’t find myself caring very much

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


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LethalPaintball
November 12th 2017
707 Comments


well ill be dammed

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ArsMoriendi
November 12th 2017
21999 Comments


Well this is creepy

I bet it ruins that time my sister got the meet Brand New at a signing when she was 16

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Prettyplease
November 12th 2017
63 Comments


"I bet it ruins that time my sister got the meat Brand New"

lol

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


oh yeah Ars you're actually from Long Island lol



Winesburgohio
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
1822 Comments


tbh i'm glad he addressed it, but it's kind of fucked that he put the onus on his personal demons instead of just saying 'i fucked up. i've made strides to become a better person. if the victim/survivor wants any kind of restorative justice i'll run not walk' etc. also glad this got posted on sputnik despite a certain staffers insistence that it didn't qualify as news *extremely thinking emoji*

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Winesburgohio
Contributing Reviewer
November 12th 2017
1822 Comments


also like three years ago this thread woulda been chocka with victim blaming bullshit and idk i feel we've come far as a community :')

ZippaThaRippa
November 12th 2017
10287 Comments


you're only sorry cuz you got caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaught

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


at least pretend you didn't wanna get caught

Trebor.
Staff Reviewer
November 12th 2017
55354 Comments


"I didn't know her age bro, I thought she looked 20..."

This is exactly what got Jessie in trouble lol

ZippaThaRippa
November 12th 2017
10287 Comments


I used to know the name of every person I kissed
Now I'm made this bed
and I can't fall asleep in it

ArsMoriendi
November 12th 2017
21999 Comments


"oh yeah Ars you're actually from Long Island lol"

Yes.

ZippaThaRippa
November 12th 2017
10287 Comments


Now I know that you stole
Yeah you stole
From the cradles they were rocked in

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


now that I remember that you seem a lot closer to the situation than I thought

qwe3
November 12th 2017
21808 Comments


Would just like to point out that no one has come out against Lil Wayne

TedSchmosby
November 12th 2017
766 Comments


It would be infinitely more terrible if they had finished out 2018 the way they planned, as gods of the scene, while the people Jesse victimized have to sit by and listen to all the adoration thrown his way. I'm glad it came out now. Their "legacy" isn't unimportant and it's pretty selfish if that's what's breaking your heart right now

decisions
November 12th 2017
131 Comments


Who is really surprised that Jesse did something he should be truly ashamed of? The sexual nature of it is alluded to in many of his songs. I mean TDAG has what a 4.5 average on here and you guys thought he was some angel? Do you think he just pulled that level of self-loathing and the artistic communication of it out of his ass? That is an album of true regret and remorse, and we all experience that in some way and many people on here probably rated it so high because they can relate to those feelings, but almost all I see is this holier than thou shit. But Jesus Christ he didn't commit the absolute worst crime imaginable - we need to have justice proportionate to the crime. We should believe victims but also not just throw the perpetrator into the abyss and let them develop into a real monster just so that we can announce our own morality by condemning them.

What he did was awful, but I see a man who made mistakes based on bodily urges - after which he lived in regret for many years, stopped his behavior, sought professional help, and apologized. Sure I wish he directly apologized to the girl who accused him, but hell maybe he did in private. What he has done publicly is enough for me. I am not God. The guy is trying to improve himself and has been for a long time I mean shit.

Brand New is still what it always was to me - an honest story about introspection and making peace with one's mistakes.


Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


It's entirely selfish. I'll be the first to admit it. Doesn't mean it's not how I feel. And that opens up another debate about whether I should prefer the picture-perfect ending or the "morally right" one

ArsMoriendi
November 12th 2017
21999 Comments


Why not just hate the person, but love the music?

Don't punish yourself for what he did by boycotting his music or anything, but also hate him for it

Prettyplease
November 12th 2017
63 Comments


Why hate the person for mistakes he made so many years ago? People deserve second chances. Jesse Lacey seems to have been in turmoil about what he did, it's not like he's a sociopath who did not regret anything.

We can feel disgusted by his actions in the past, but not by the person who is more than these actions now.

grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


The allegations from the other young girls sound even worse than from this one tbh

Prettyplease
November 12th 2017
63 Comments


Did he physically touch them? If not, I can't see how it could be worse, unless it involves feces.

Aiwaz
November 12th 2017
4516 Comments


No clue why people are so surprised about this. I mean, he has given many hints on his albums. Take Science Fiction for example. 451-137=314. And 314/21=15. 21 for the age he was when he masturbated in front of a 15 year old. And 15 obviously because that's the age he likes his girls.





Digging: Neurosis - Enemy of the Sun

TheMrAlexK
November 12th 2017
8750 Comments


DAMN.

Aiwaz
November 12th 2017
4516 Comments


NATION.

PickleVai17
November 12th 2017
196 Comments


Seeing as stuff like this ruins bands as a whole, I bet the other members are pissed at this statement. Im glad i didnt become a fan until Science Fiction, I wont really care if I stop listening to their music

Prettyplease
November 12th 2017
63 Comments


Noro sounds a little more intense now

guitarded_chuck
November 12th 2017
13646 Comments


"Why not just hate the person, but love the music?

Don't punish yourself for what he did by boycotting his music or anything, but also hate him for it"

yeah agreed, same goes for all art

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


Vin wrote that one lol

Trebor.
Staff Reviewer
November 12th 2017
55354 Comments


"Why hate the person for mistakes he made so many years ago? People deserve second chances. Jesse Lacey seems to have been in turmoil about what he did, it's not like he's a sociopath who did not regret anything."

Umm because he never faced any consequences back then

Eons
November 12th 2017
954 Comments


Calling him a pedophile is a bit much. He never touched underage kids. So. He did some stupid sexting with an underage girl. If you want to criticize him at least get it straight. Furthermore, you can listen to the music still and if you don't want to, oh well, but don't tell others they're bad people for still listening. The music is good. It's good. You know it is if you were a prior fan of the band. Why lie about it? I've seen a lot of people online putting him in the same group as Harvey Weinstein which isn't really fair. Harvey actually raped people.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


start #nudesforjesse on tumblr Eons

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


revenge porn?

edit: ah, nudes for jesse. lol

Eons
November 12th 2017
954 Comments


Oh yeah, fuck nuance. The moral police trumps all. Behead him. I am a perfect being. Never done anything wrong, herpa derpa doo, fuck you.

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


ah

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


donald trump.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


this case is about as nuanced as rhyming 'herpa derpa doo' with 'fuck you' teehee

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


exercising nuance is honestly so tiring tbh

yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


ThE mOrAl PoLIcE TruMpS AlL

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments



exercising is honestly so tiring tbh

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Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


btw people itt kinda agree with you, save for some exceptions. it ok

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists

but karin is my favorite artist and she'd never do that shit she's god

grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


whatever. Karin abuses homeless people and protests at the funerals of soldiers.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


lmao links

yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


"yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists"

I started listening to them this year and automatically loved their work so I'm very conflicted right now tbh but at the same time I'm not here for people downplaying grooming/harassment or bellitting other people's legitimate reasons to be angry and hurt by this. Just shows how some people don't take sexual harassment and predatory behavior seriously.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


yeah i dunno its hard to say what is the most ~moral~ stance on that so for me like im not gonna judge anyone who continues to listen to brand new but personally im not going to be giving them any more of my money or time in light of this. same with crystal castles.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


thats an issue thats complex enough that i think it just comes down to a personal choice on whether you think you can feel good about continuing to listen to them.

yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


I'd say if they release new music I won't give a fuck, but I'm not sure what to do about the rest of their discography. Not sure how I feel yet.

yanagimary
November 12th 2017
12 Comments


Also, as for some posters' points re: Jesse's self-loathing pointing to something bad:
That's definitely the right reading to have now imo, but as a depressive, anxious and victim of emotional abuse person I can say from experience that these kinds of issues mess with your self-perception and often I end up blowing my own mistakes and flaws out of proportion. So idk, I always wondered if Jesse's struggles had something to do with that.

Satellite
November 12th 2017
25575 Comments


"yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists"

basically my exact thoughts

Digging: Sturgill Simpson - A Sailor's Guide To Earth

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


I am not in an ethical pickle re: my own listening and I can't imagine myself ever being impacted by any thing an artist does; he could be a literal Klansman and murder dozens and I'd still enjoy the music just the same. I can still hear a Lostprophets song and not feel the need to turn away from it. (hell I never even heard a Lostprophets song before their breakup)

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


yeah, lostprophets sucked before the frontdude was shown to be a literal uber-pedo nazi

JayEnder
November 12th 2017
634 Comments


This was all over my Facebook feed today. Everyone is calling the apology shit and that Jesse is basically playing the victim, which I can agree with to a degree, but there are way worse crimes that other musicians have committed. They are still admired to this day, for the most part.

Digging: Touche Amore - ...To the Beat of a Dead Horse

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


which is why I think in the end, it'll probably blow over. Swans made a final album and quietly ended without any drama, and to this day I don't think people still obsess over the fact that Gira raped someone, they're still respected

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


i'm still not convinced gira raped anyone

beefshoes
November 12th 2017
6885 Comments


Cheating on your wife is fucked enough though, let alone the other allegations.


Digging: Ne Obliviscaris - Urn

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


the wife seems to be ok with it now, why aren't you? and what's it to ya?

grannypantys
November 12th 2017
1503 Comments


I'm sure she just fell down the stairs.

Asdfp277
November 12th 2017
15783 Comments


cheating is a more nuanced issue -- they could have been distanced, maybe they gave each other time, etc.; it's not quite like punching your spouse

supremejelly
November 12th 2017
480 Comments


Gira raped jesse

bananatossing
November 12th 2017
479 Comments


So yeah, it's ephebophilia not pedophilia. The fact Jesse is not a sick fuck doesn't take the fact he did something ILLEGAL. People need to detach whatever is right/wrong, or normal/not normal behavior from legal/illegal. His wife is still married to him so I guess she forgives whatever he did, but ideally there should be at least a slap in the wrist for his actions.

He apologized and confessed his inner demons raging inside his head (see what I did?) but it still doesn't take the fact he did something illegal that shouldn't happened.

With all that said I laugh at how in these situations somehow everyone suddenly is a fucking saint pointing the actions revealed, rather than the legality of the matter.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


"Why not just hate the person, but love the music?

Don't punish yourself for what he did by boycotting his music or anything, but also hate him for it"

Finally a non-retarded opinion

ChrisBCreme
November 12th 2017
1 Comments


This makes "Me Vs. Maradona Vs. Elvis" a LOT darker.

treos777
November 12th 2017
268 Comments


I hope the victim gets all the support she needs because speaking up about this shit is hard af

CatfishSoup
November 12th 2017
246 Comments


"I got desperate desires and unadmirable plans
My tongue will taste of gin and malicious intent
Bring you back to the bar get you out of the cold
My sober straight face gets you out of your clothes"

I'm really torn at the moment. I adore this band. It shouldn't affect the way I hear the music, but it does.

LordePots
November 12th 2017
38079 Comments


"if only jesse had an ethical pickle"

HAH

bananatossing
November 12th 2017
479 Comments


Sic Transit kinda feels different now too

onionbubs
November 12th 2017
6771 Comments


i think separate the art from the artist thing is fine when what makes them a shitty person isnt reflected in the art

but WOW is it reflected in deja, or at least in parts of it

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


Sic Transit Gloria is still about a male victim.
The entirety of Deja Entendu is about deconstructing clichés about fame and displaying their darkest side to show how it's not the glamor that's presented. I'm still fine with it.

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


Are people really reading into their old lyrics trying to find signs that Jesse Lacey would commit sex crimes in the future lol

Kompys2000
November 12th 2017
907 Comments


"...There are way worse crimes that other musicians have committed. They are still admired to this day, for the most part."

COUGHredhotchilipeppersCOUGHCOUGH

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


I'll be waiting for Pete Wentz and Andy Hurley of Fall Out Boy to be exposed

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


What did Pete wentz do again?

someguest
November 12th 2017
28753 Comments


Shit, if Lacey did what RHCP did he'd have to buy a pair of baby socks.

Green Baron
November 12th 2017
24101 Comments


dated a 15 year old when he was 23, which is a well known fact at this point

and then the guy who exposed Jesse in the first place is the guitar tech for FOB, so people in the comments rightfully called him out for hypocrisy due to Wentz's shit and the fact that Andy Hurley is known for his parties involving lots of booze and underage fans

MayhemWithMercy
November 12th 2017
3739 Comments


This scene is full of this kinda shit, damn

Keyblade
November 13th 2017
24976 Comments


the entire genre is weirdly obsessed with adolescence

grown ass men constantly singing about highschool and shit

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


yeah...

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


they're the musical equivalent of those guys that peaked in high school agreed

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


Jesse likes his vaginas like he likes his band title.

newfoundgloryhole666
November 13th 2017
119 Comments


didn't need another reason to think this band is terrible but this'll do.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


wtf aiwaz lmao

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


I believe he meant band name.

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


Maybe Jesse and Louis CK can tour together. Mix it up a little.

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


Louie CK shouldn't shock anyone. Half that show was about masturbation and what he'd do to women if given the opportunity.

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


True true.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


I love Louis CK but he always had the impression of a rape-y guy yeah

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


I have never thought he was funny. Ever. Not once.

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


Louis CK is still hilarious and I'll still watch his stand-up.

This isn't 1984. You don't erase someone just because they fall out of favor.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


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Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


at first I thought you meant the year

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


I don't give a shit if he fucks farm animals, he's not funny.

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


I've always wondered who dane cook's fan was.

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


t i l t

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Lmao dane cook is both awful and funny at the same time.

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


dane cook's about as funny as green apple flavored candy

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


wut

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


green apple flavored anything is shite

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


You crazy Brits and your weird outlook on candy.

Spec
November 13th 2017
34814 Comments


green apple candy is dope the fuck

Spec
November 13th 2017
34814 Comments


I used to jam Brand New hard and now I don’t know if I can go back to them ever again.

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


w o w i am appaled. this is as bad as or worse than ian wantkids. im done, just burned all the rare merch i had and all these first vinyl pressings, fuck this shit.

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


burning plastic carries a 20 year prison sentence in confinement

LoLifant
November 13th 2017
1255 Comments


how can anyone compare this to watkins who tried to rape a 2 year old baby wtf

Keyblade
November 13th 2017
24976 Comments


who did that

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


"how can anyone compare this to watkins who tried to rape a 2 year old baby wtf"

oh so what you're saying is that in this case it isn't a big deal??? just because you like the band???? yeah dude keep supporting sexual assault cool man wtf

cryptologous
Contributing Reviewer
November 13th 2017
1807 Comments


"im done, just burned all the rare merch i had and all these first vinyl pressings, fuck this shit."

this is hilarious on so many levels

BlackwaterPork
November 13th 2017
1648 Comments


It’s a big deal sure but what Ian did is one of the worst things I’ve ever heard

LoLifant
November 13th 2017
1255 Comments


In many European countries the allegations Lacey is facing wouldn't even be considered illegal (depending on the mental state of the girl at that time, if he clearly abused her still non existent sexual selfawareness it's different). What Watkins did outet him as a total psychopath on the other hand.

Itwasthatwas
November 13th 2017
1414 Comments


I haven't read the actual allegations yet (this thread is the first time I've heard of anything), but on the art vs artist thing - I think there's generally a spectrum.

I've never been under the illusion that all of these famous people in the music or movie industry are saints, so I'm not terribly surprised when stuff comes out about them.

Whether or not I can enjoy the art then depends on how superlative the art is, how egregious the crime was, and the context (e.g was it a painter from 1500 in a time when whatever was seen as normal or whatever). And also how the character flaws and crimes are reflected in the art.

I hate to say that the magnitude of the art plays a role because it makes me a hypocrite but it's true - I listen to Burzum's early albums even though Varg is literally a murderer and generally an insane person. Same goes for Storm of the Light's Bane or In the Nightside Eclipse despite Nodveidt or Bard's crimes. Years later I have to admit I haven't exactly reconciled my enjoyment of the albums with my dislike of the artists.

Sex crimes resonate more strongly than murder somehow and I don't know what that says about our society, or if that's just the way it should be because of the nature of the pain caused. I've stopped watching movies and shows involving the recent accused which really means a huge chunk of content in the case of Weinstein. I guess I'll decide on Brand New when I have more information.

I feel less bad about separating the art from the artist when it doesn't provide any financial reward to the artist. E.g the members of arghoslent or famine from peste noire might hate me for my race, but the music is good and I pirated that shit anyways. Then there's the degree issue I spoke to about because as far as I know both of those entities just talk about their unsavoury views and haven't actually acted on them.

I don't know, I'm rambling at this point and I think the choice of whether or not you can continue to enjoy the art of an unsavoury artist is one that has to be made in a case by case basis. In many cases we seem to raise up art that explores the darker aspects of the human experience, and I wonder if it's reasonable for us to expect that that darkness has no root in the reality of the artist.

SweeneyTodd
November 13th 2017
1456 Comments


it sounds like sex addiction, whatever he did he's not the same man anymore. no excuse for it, but I'm taking some comfort in the fact he admitted wrongdoing

Digging: Hans Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch - Blade Runner 2049

CugnoBrasso
November 13th 2017
45 Comments


I would have prefered if he faced the situation head on, and apologized for showing his dingdong to a teenage girl, instead of elusively talking about how he was a frail sex-addict.
Other than that, I agree with Itwasthatwas.

EdgarAllenBro
November 13th 2017
21 Comments


Can anyone give me a good reason to stop listening to this band?

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 13th 2017
16336 Comments


Is bad

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Here's a good enough reason

Lucid
November 13th 2017
8674 Comments


Any way you look at it we should probably cancel Warped Tour

DinosaurJones
November 13th 2017
6177 Comments


I can agree with that.

Let that shit die.

Digging: And So I Watch You From Afar - The Endless Shimmering

SweeneyTodd
November 13th 2017
1456 Comments


Jonny Craig today was accused in a facebook group of soliciting nudes from a 15 year old and threatening to post them online, and he's also been accused of raping someone whilst on heroin. I knew he was a shithead but COME ON who's next? Bowie? Morrisey? "coming up next, Freddie Mercury: dog rapist"

doomes
November 13th 2017
19 Comments


sorry guys is it safe to use sput yet

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


like is showing your dick to a 14 year old requirement to play warped or something? goddamnit

DinosaurJones
November 13th 2017
6177 Comments


That scene was a nightmare back in the day, it's no surprise to me that tons of stories are going to start trickling out now that someone started.

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


Bowie already has his shit aired

coldheaven
November 13th 2017
312 Comments


"Jonny Craig today was accused in a facebook group of soliciting nudes from a 15 year old and threatening to post them online, and he's also been accused of raping someone whilst on heroin"

I don't even need the facts to know that's true

Digging: Pg. 99 - Document #12

doomes
November 13th 2017
19 Comments


this once again proves that jesse lacey is a fuckin pussy lol, brand new was irrelevant even after science fiction came out and he'd never have another popular music project anyway, so i'd just say summat like 'fuck y'all, yeah i did that shit and she didn't die so what are you guys even bitchin about lmao', you have nothing to lose dude, but once again P U S S Y

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


not mentioning the 15 year old in his apology was likely to avoid legal punishment not because of saving his public reputation because that shits already been destroyed beyond repair at this point

doomes
November 13th 2017
19 Comments


sup bubs

Feather
November 13th 2017
3943 Comments


eh, reputation isn't destroyed for me bub

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


i'm more referring to the overall opinion of him in the public eye not what i think of him personally (tho yea he is or at least was a piece of shit)

what up doomes

doomes
November 13th 2017
19 Comments


nothing much, regretting my life decisions as always, what about u?

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


basically gotta sit in a hot as fuck booth pressing play and pause on a bell sound effect for like 5 hours a day so yea nothin much either

newfoundgloryhole666
November 13th 2017
119 Comments


"COME ON who's next? Bowie?"

not sure if srs but do some googling if you feel like being grossed out

doomes
November 13th 2017
19 Comments


oh shit, that doesn't sound fun yeah

Demon of the Fall
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


Can people keep these discussions where they belong please?... in the Devil & God review thread. That album needs a few bumps because it's so overlooked on sputnikmusic.com.

Digging: Polkadot Cadaver - Get Possessed

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


really underappreciated gem ye

TheGreatQ
November 13th 2017
2535 Comments


“like is showing your dick a requirement to play warped or something? goddamnit ”

Raises some questions about Katy Perry’s

SweeneyTodd
November 13th 2017
1456 Comments


"not sure if srs but do some googling if you feel like being grossed out"

I have no heroes anymore

DinosaurJones
November 13th 2017
6177 Comments


I just really hope it doesn't come out that Mark Hoppus was some kind of creepy fuck. I really like Mark Hoppus

TheGreatQ
November 13th 2017
2535 Comments


TBH with blink I’d say likelihood of creepiness would go: Tom (on drugs), Travis, Tom (off drugs), Mark

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


they cancelled their UK shows lul

Digging: 21 Savage, Offset and Metro Boomin - Without Warning

bloc
November 13th 2017
44244 Comments


"TBH with blink I’d say likelihood of creepiness would go: Tom (on drugs), Travis, Tom (off drugs), Mark"

lmao

Digging: Beastmilk - Climax

newfoundgloryhole666
November 13th 2017
119 Comments


anyone catch tom on joe rogen's podcast? dude is firmly entrenched in "on drugs" territory these days.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Did these guys cancel the rest of their tour or just some dates?

cliiint
November 13th 2017
1352 Comments


maybe Tom isn't on drugs and there's just some crazy shit going right now,

did Jesse actually rape anyone? or is all of this because a 26 year old jerked it to a 15 year old on skype?

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


Brand New are in now inevitably in the shitter and folks are surprised like "Wow its so unexpected that all these shitty bands and artists are predators" Lol no it's not. They had like some creepy dudes stalking a little kid on their album art. Those guys looked fucked from the start.

GreyShadow
November 13th 2017
1836 Comments


Jonny Craig doesn't surprise me at all and i still happily listen to DBM. i guess the difference is I went into DGD knowing he was a piece of shit. also they've clearly proven that they are so much more than an old front man

StrizzMatik
November 13th 2017
3627 Comments


What a piece of shit. Doesn't even mention the victim, the fact that she was 15 when propositioned, and that he groomed her for 4 years after the fact. In true narcissistic form Lacey tries to poo-poo it away as having a sexual addiction and obscures the truth - he's a pedophile. The sad thing is this sort of thing isn't even uncommon in the industry and is quite encouraged in many instances, largely for blackmail purposes. Get ready Sputnik, a whole bunch of your favorite bands are going to have an asterisk next to their name soon...

Digging: Glassjaw - Material Control

alienobserver
November 13th 2017
3863 Comments


'not sure if srs but do some googling if you feel like being grossed out"

didn't the chick lie about her age? i dont believe there was any bad blood either. still unfortunate but really not a noteworthy incident

Digging: Lil Peep - California Girls

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


This isn’t the steroid era, we don’t put asterisks

Voltimand
November 13th 2017
701 Comments


Yeah RE: Blink182 just watch Joe Rogan's podcast episode with Tom, he's lost his mind.

Digging: Wide Eyes - Sa?s?ra

supremejelly
November 13th 2017
480 Comments


"Doesn't even mention the victim, the fact that she was 15 when propositioned"

As has been said a billion times in this thread, he was wise not to incriminate himself for that for legal reasons

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


and chasing after a 15 yo is technically not a pedophile, as some of our resident psychology students have noted. not that it matters but

"They had like some creepy dudes stalking a little kid on their album art. Those guys looked fucked from the start." LOL

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


"
As has been said a billion times in this thread, he was wise not to incriminate himself for that for legal reasons"

also there are likely multiple victims

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


" In true narcissistic form Lacey tries to poo-poo it away as having a sexual addiction and obscures the truth - he's a pedophile."

he isn't necessarily a paedophile just cos he abused his power to take advantage of adoring fans

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


"15 yo is technically not a pedophile" yeah same with 12 year olds right? jesus fucking christ

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


"yeah same with 12 year olds right? jesus fucking christ"

yeah, no. as it turns out, age-related classifications are dependant on age.
not really sure tho, i'm not a psychologist

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


he's morally fucked in the head. nothing more to say. the guy is total garbage. you really can't make an excuse for this behavior; the "he was naive, made a mistake" bullshit is getting really dumb.

any of you have kids? do you know how impressionable a 15 year old is? as far as i can tell, there is no suitably rational reaction to this other than anger and disgust.

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


there's a big difference between a 12 yr old and a 15 yr old come on

not to downplay the situation but if you think the only reason someone would pursue someone underaged is cos they're a paedophile and that this is all this situation is about then ur dumb tbh

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


he's a pedophile. should be jailed. move on.

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


the difference is from the standpoint of psychology, not law. never said it was ok to pry on 15 yo kids (lol obviously)

but still, there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


child abuser =/= paedophile

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


"there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old"

it makes no difference, as it doesn't do anything to make the ethics of such sadistic behavior any less reprehensible.


TheGreatQ
November 13th 2017
2535 Comments


I think 12 is technically counted as pedophilia in the psychological definition. 12 and under = pedo, 13-15 hebe, and 16-19 is ephebe

anarchistfish
November 13th 2017
26041 Comments


ethics is black and white guys dw animals has it sorted

https://memestatic2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Yes+i+wanted+it+too+_6c783155b49eced982969c437b5d2746.jpg

Keyblade
November 13th 2017
24976 Comments


"but still, there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old"

yea when ur 12 or 15...but when ur 32 there should be no difference

for one, neither can legally give consent so...

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


it's so disgusting; the specifics never render anything pragmatic... it happened already. this kind of discussion only allows for us to rationalize what he did. hardly useful unless you're attempting to downplay what he did, in fact the opposite.

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


"this kind of discussion only allows for us to rationalize what he did"

not really, it's actually really useful being able to characterize a predator

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


what that 12 is different than 15? like no shit lol. what an in depth look into his psyche

JayEnder
November 13th 2017
634 Comments


"The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows"

The irony.

Keyblade
November 13th 2017
24976 Comments


yea regardless of what weird ass prefix u use in front of -phile, it doesnt change the fact that he abused an underage girl


Ponton
Emeritus
November 13th 2017
6136 Comments


oh wow. He didnt even deny it.

Digging: Car Seat Headrest - Teens of Denial

onionbubs
November 13th 2017
6771 Comments


well yea he did it why lie to it and get in even deeper shit further down the line

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


if you're guilty, just confess tbh

loveisamixtape
November 13th 2017
7392 Comments


i feel bad for his wife

Ponton
Emeritus
November 13th 2017
6136 Comments


I just guess most artists would deny it, as an impulse. Who wants to end up like that Lost Prophets guy? Obviously, no one. But still, this is sad and terrible of course. Best luck to him and his marriage and future endeavors. What an album to go out on, all things considered.

TalonsOfFire
Staff Reviewer
November 13th 2017
16757 Comments


I feel bad for the other band members too

Digging: Tame Impala - Currents B-Sides & Remixes

Itwasthatwas
November 13th 2017
1414 Comments


It's interesting to think about the fact that people used to get married off at 14-15.

I have no interest in defending or attacking Jessy Lacey until there's more information but theres' obviously a difference between 12 and 15 year olds to the point that a number of European countries include 15 year olds as being able to consent.

I personally agree that 15 is too young, but do agree with 16 as the age of consent as it is in Canada, Australia, and many states. Even that's weird when you're in your mid-20s like Lacey was alleged to be but not so in situations like 16 and 18-19.

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


Edit, double fuck

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


"as far as i can tell, there is no suitably rational reaction to this other than anger and disgust."

Theres no suitably rational reaction other than a reaction that has nothing to do with rationality and everything to do with emotion?

Makes sense.

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


AdolfChrist coming in his with his nazi-christian insight

XXXTENTACION
November 13th 2017
267 Comments


yea dude you still need to fuckin log off

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


yeah adolf log off

XXXTENTACION
November 13th 2017
267 Comments


coming from a guy who seemed to be the ONLY ONE NOT rushing to believe a fringe Facebook post from someone, the logical thing here IS to be emotional

grannypantys
November 13th 2017
1503 Comments


and now the tour dates are being canceled or postponed

grannypantys
November 13th 2017
1503 Comments


"i feel bad for his wife "

Why? She knew all this stuff before she agreed to marry him.

henryChinaski
November 13th 2017
3883 Comments


So...are they still a band?

Digging: Kiasmos - Blurred EP

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


You two arent the sharpest tools in the shed, are ya.

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


i am but not the other guy

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


Idk who that other guy is but ive seen you around and you sure arent.

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


well obviously i'm smarter than you bc you're too dumb to understand that jesse lacey is a PEDOPHILE just like ian wantkids and deserves to be put away for a long long time and/or death penalty

VirtualBlaze
November 13th 2017
653 Comments


Henry, they've already announced their plans to break up in 2018. That was established long before this.

bloc
November 13th 2017
44244 Comments


How convenient

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


Lol

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Lotta morons itt

Cormano
November 13th 2017
1140 Comments


"well obviously i'm smarter than you bc you're too dumb to understand that jesse lacey is a PEDOPHILE just like ian wantkids and deserves to be put away for a long long time and/or death penalty"

please tell me you're being this fucking stupid ironically

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


"please tell me you're being this fucking stupid ironically"

dude you cant tell me that he's not a pedophile if he's getting child porn from an underage girl, like you cant even justify that unless your a straight up pedophile yourself, serious wtf is wrong with you people, we should really support the victim of this heinous crime

StrizzMatik
November 13th 2017
3627 Comments


Lotta pedo-apologists ITT

Lacey is a fucking child abuser and what he did was illegal. End of.

Don Henley, up next! http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/11/blind-item-1-he-made-millions-from.html?m=1

SnakeDelilah
November 13th 2017
19923 Comments


death penalty is extreme tbh but he deff should be charged and be put on the RSO list

Digging: Julien Baker - Turn Out The Lights

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


[2]

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


He did awful creepy shit that's for sure, but he never committed statutory rape. Anybody saying he needs a death penalty are out of their goddamn minds.

supremejelly
November 13th 2017
480 Comments


[-1]

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


uh no the emotional torment that this girl has been facing is unforgivable, her life has basically been ruined for 12 years now over it. he did technically rape her of her innocence so yes he deserves the death penalty as harsh as that sounds it's the only way to prevent this monster from ever harming anyone again

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
November 13th 2017
6362 Comments


the overwhelming majority of criminologists agree that the death penalty really isn't that effective in preventing crime. if anything, all it will do is encourage people who do commit this sort of act to go to even further measures of desperation to avoid getting caught.

SweeneyTodd
November 13th 2017
1456 Comments


"he did technically rape her of her innocence so yes he deserves the death penalty as harsh as that sounds it's the only way to prevent this monster from ever harming anyone again"

try not to cut yourself on that edge

BlacKapes
November 13th 2017
1920 Comments


ok well then lock him in solitary confinement for life or something

AnimalsAsSummit
November 13th 2017
2940 Comments


black kapes you have my seal of approval, although death seems a bit much, he should be totally jailed and far far away from society tbh

Lucid
November 13th 2017
8674 Comments


Pitchfork has accounts by two of Lacey's victims: https://pitchfork.com/news/two-alleged-victims-of-brand-news-jesse-lacey-detail-years-of-sexual-exploitation-of-minors/?mbid=social_facebook

Reminder that Sowing said the first teen probably "begged to send the nudes".

schoonda
November 13th 2017
870 Comments


man what a piece of work.
did sowing really say that? that's a disgusting thing to assume

Digging: Royal Headache - High

Lucid
November 13th 2017
8674 Comments


Here's the post Sowing deleted after intense backlash: https://imgur.com/a/x3Hvm

schoonda
November 13th 2017
870 Comments


Sowing assumes everyone is obsessed with Brand New as he is, therefore assumes the girl must have begged.
fuck that man, not cool

LoLifant
November 13th 2017
1255 Comments


Well he is right with the accused = guilty part. It doesn't matter any more what the final verdict will be. Even if everything was a hoax, his reputation is gone.

schoonda
November 13th 2017
870 Comments


he's right about that, there is a lot of trial by social media these days. but he completely goes against that logic by assuming this girl begged to send them based of pure speculation and his bias towards Jesse

LoLifant
November 13th 2017
1255 Comments


yup that's emotional sowing there. gotta stay objective.

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


Piranhas have roamed the sea so far that they're now on social media.

Jesse Lacey did digusting things, but please remind yourselves of the huge difference between actual physical assault and this perversion from a distance (internet) of his.

The first one: the victim gets all her senses to experience the horrific lose of control over her/his own body. Plus mental damage.

The second one: mental damage and assault on honour. Bad, very bad, yes. But not rape.

And please: let's also distinguish between pedophiles or ephebophiles. (which, in fact, Jesse might not be, since he's obviously also attracted to grown women)

A pedophile has perverted attraction to completely childlike features. Ephebophiles feel attraction to very young signs of sexuality. Not kid features.

Again: I do not condone or try to apologize his behaviour. Just putting things in the rightful context. This lack of proportion is especially painful for real rape victims, as I've just read on a reddit thread, where these real rape victims complain about these Jesse Lacey victims getting put on the same level of endured horror as they have; They have not, not even close.

Scoot
November 13th 2017
18768 Comments


these guys are given an unruly amount of power over impressionable teenagers

many of them can't seem to handle that

SandorClegane
November 13th 2017
124 Comments


"And please: let's also distinguish between pedophiles or ephebophiles. (which, in fact, Jesse might not be, since he's obviously also attracted to grown women)

A pedophile has perverted attraction to completely childlike features. Ephebophiles feel attraction to very young signs of sexuality. Not kid features."

^Pedophile rationalizing over here; gtfo^

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


still can't believe lacey is straight

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


^^I hope you're not serious?

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


his lyrics are gay as hell

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


only sufjan has written more homoerotic material

newfoundgloryhole666
November 13th 2017
119 Comments


true jesse's lyrics are gayer than scrapbooking

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


"he did technically rape her of her innocence"

does 'rape' even mean anything anymore

"these guys are given an unruly amount of power over impressionable teenagers. many of them can't seem to handle that"

i wouldn't give them that 'excuse' (i know it's not your intention to excuse them but). jesse knew what he was doing with that power. plenty of people have power over teenagers (teachers, adults in general, etc), but they don't all abuse children

cliiint
November 13th 2017
1352 Comments


this gay dude I met at a headshop offered to suck my dick

am I a victim?

just curious

someguest
November 13th 2017
28753 Comments


no not yet

you have to wait 15 years

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
November 13th 2017
6362 Comments


"Jesse Lacey did digusting things, but please remind yourselves of the huge difference between actual physical assault and this perversion from a distance (internet) of his."
are you out of the loop? I'm reading the allegations rn and one girl claims he forced himself on her physically in the green room at one of his shows

schoonda
November 13th 2017
870 Comments


yeah jesse is not a cool guy

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


probably out of the loop. the first and most popular post about his sexual harassment involves only the skype thing -- details are coming out at irregular intervals too

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


"I'm reading the allegations rn and one girl claims he forced himself on her physically in the green room at one of his shows"

Was this girl underage too

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


"are you out of the loop? I'm reading the allegations rn and one girl claims he forced himself on her physically in the green room at one of his shows"

I was. Damn. I hope this latest is not true. God damn it

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


it's pop punk, of course she was

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Dick.

schoonda
November 13th 2017
870 Comments


yeah she was 17 I think

edit: she was 18

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


how can one dude mess up so consistently

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


In Belgium, 17 would be considered above age of consent. Sickening I know, especially given that i've seen many teenagers who still look like kids when their even 20 (I was also a fine example of that).

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


"how can one dude mess up so consistently
"

I'm guessing seeing it work time and time again without consequences. And also the toxic atmosphere within their scene maybe?

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


i bet sexual harassment is not legal tho

idk, i don't see myself 'fucking up' as a pop punk musician like that. i can't imagine not knowing what you're doing or not being able to control yourself, i'm guessing he took free choice to abuse people

sexual addiction my ass

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


sexual addiction my ass [2]

Prettyplease
November 13th 2017
63 Comments


sexual manipulation addiction

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Same shit, different toilet

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


poor control, as an excuse, applies when the action is simple, not as complex as sexually harassing someone for weeks at the time. even less of an excuse when you're doing it online -- not even being in the presence of the person gives you even more tools for self-control

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


lmfao imagine

hikingmetalpunk
November 13th 2017
2113 Comments


piece of shit scumbag loser fuck

hikingmetalpunk
November 13th 2017
2113 Comments


people defending michael jackson itt as well. sick

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Idk too much about the Jackson case, but the jury found him not guilty on all 14 charges so

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 13th 2017
5862 Comments


"especially given that i've seen many teenagers who still look like kids when their even 20 (I was also a fine example of that)."

So that's Bakker's problem, he was the world's first teenage 20-year-old.

Digging: St. Vincent - MASSEDUCTION

hikingmetalpunk
November 13th 2017
2113 Comments


jury found oj not guilty as well

Willie
Moderator
November 13th 2017
17302 Comments


--"His dick obviously wasn't her favorite weapon."

Aight can we ban him now?--


Ban him? Give the man a promotion.




Digging: Adimiron - Et Liber Eris

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 13th 2017
5862 Comments


Snide for staff.

hikingmetalpunk
November 13th 2017
2113 Comments


have fun in prison lacey

SexualManChocolate
November 13th 2017
45 Comments


He who is without sin, cast the first stone

Digging: Brand New - The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me

grannypantys
November 13th 2017
1503 Comments


six admits he's a eunuch

there's dozens of us

dimsim3478
November 13th 2017
7694 Comments


the second allegation sounds worse than the first, and i think theres more unprinted ones floating around the twitter feed

im willing to accept that jesse's now a changed man but i still think this band might need to disappear rn. i know they're just about to end the band so that means there's probably a shitload of touring coming up over the next year and it would be a serious financial loss to the band if they dont go for it but once allegations like this come out against someone, i kinda want that person to disappear (at least for a long while); seems like people would just be constantly reminded of their bullshit if they remain in the public eye

Shamus248
November 13th 2017
317 Comments


Fuck this guy and fuck Roy Moore running for senate

Digging: Ice Nine Kills - Every Trick in the Book

Shamus248
November 13th 2017
317 Comments


"whatever. Karin abuses homeless people and protests at the funerals of soldiers."

I think you mean the lady who runs westboro baptist

Keyblade
November 13th 2017
24976 Comments


the day I find myself arguing the semantics of pedophilia on a music website will be the day I pack it in, perhaps from life altogether

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


lmao

grannypantys
November 13th 2017
1503 Comments


Don't forget Karin also catfishes lonely men.

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


Okay I think it's time we just forget about this band and move on. Plenty of music out there. It's over.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


They're gonna break up in 2018 anyway. Let's give em the last days.

killerK1
November 13th 2017
125 Comments


didn't chappelle answer this question like 20 years ago?

really though this entire thing is really fucked up.

Digging: The Used - The Canyon

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


If only Jesse would have kept his big mouth shut and pulled a Chester the integrity of the band would exist. I'm not saying he should have killed himself. I'm saying he should have killed himself.

dimsim3478
November 13th 2017
7694 Comments


i think peeps would be ok if they came back in like 5 or so years just to do the science fiction tour, but atm i couldnt imagine them going on what would have been a triumphant, emotional farewell tour if not for all this craziness. furthermore i think it would be an insult to the victims and any fans who identify with the victims if the name Brand New is up in huge letters on marquees all around the world over the next year.

newfoundgloryhole666
November 13th 2017
119 Comments


looks like the "2000-2018" stuff was a bit presumptuous

LordePots
November 13th 2017
38079 Comments


woah dude

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


"I'm not saying he should have killed himself. I'm saying he should have killed himself."

Jesus

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


Even if he killed himself you don't think people would have spoke out after his death? Don't see how that would have saved his legacy

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


For what he did? Sympathy? Yeah, you'll find it in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

Cygnatti
November 13th 2017
31985 Comments


who said it was about his legacy??

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


"If only Jesse would have kept his big mouth shut and pulled a Chester the integrity of the band would exist."

"the integrity of the band would exist"

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Nice try to squeeze that reference in there Aiwaz

LordePots
November 13th 2017
38079 Comments


baron are you still trying to delude yourself into thinking this doesnt effect their career?

Cygnatti
November 13th 2017
31985 Comments


@baron, oh, my b!

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


pots remember: wording, try being nicer - _-

hasan
November 13th 2017
751 Comments


a bad man take the cd off of the page the site

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


shh i just wanna believe

swipenet
November 13th 2017
737 Comments


"Damn I don't like what the lead singer did, better 1 their new album and probably shit on the rest of their discog as well" - Some of the extremely logical and mature people on this site

Not condoning what he did, and I'm not even a big fan of this band, but it's hilarious how predictable it is that their averages are dropping as a result.

AdolfChrist
November 13th 2017
12937 Comments


"ha, that'll get 'im! wait till he sees the average drop by .1 on a couple of his albums on sputnikmusic.com!"

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


LMAO exactly

Bismark
November 13th 2017
114 Comments


fuck jesse lacey

Asdfp277
November 13th 2017
15783 Comments


but don't let jesse lacey fuck, for the love of god

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


and the devil raging inside him

Aiwaz
November 13th 2017
4516 Comments


My guitar teacher got arrested last week.

Turns out he was fingering A Minor.

MayhemWithMercy
November 13th 2017
3739 Comments


Ba dum, *crash*

grannypantys
November 13th 2017
1503 Comments


It makes sense that the album averages are dropping. If this incident makes people enjoy the albums less of course the scores will reflect that. It is not necessarily something done just out of spite.

toolpeth182
November 13th 2017
198 Comments


just posting in an epic sputnik thread. hopefully something positive comes from this within the music scene in general...

i'm mostly terrified with what bands will be next to go down the shitter; it's apparently all the rage now. i should stay off these news boards

Green Baron
November 13th 2017
24101 Comments


a) people shouldn't enjoy the albums less
b) the 1s are clearly out of spite

LordePots
November 14th 2017
38079 Comments


asdfp im not interested in continuing to engage in your little neutered shitzu dry-hump sneak attacks the last couple days that you've somehow managed to inflate into a psychiatric pissing contest in your mind. if i needed unsolicited personal advice i wouldn't be asking you, thats for sure.

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


u seem to be doing well with your attempt at being nice/passable

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


what does that comment even mean? lol

not like you've ever made a meaningful comment on this site tho

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"what does that comment even mean? lol

not like you've ever made a meaningful comment on this site tho"

literally my response to every single one of ur posts

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


so now you're actually gonna make serious comments? lmao at least you're saying something

Slut
November 14th 2017
4162 Comments


hey asdpsds buddy, time to put the keyboard away for a little bit

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


yeah

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


and pots: i really wish you well in what you're going through, but you've done absolutely nothing forward the change of attitude you purposed to yourself, save for the comments on that very list/statement.

you're posting negative comments everywhere, coming off with the same nasty attitude as usual, and it's not gonna help you in the long run

Cygnatti
November 14th 2017
31985 Comments


what has become of this thread?

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


six: obviously you're also going through some stuff mentally too, you admitted it yourself already so it's probably best if you relax a little bit


"oh here comes the amateur therapy" therapist*

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=178033

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
14994 Comments


faceth thy facts, broseth

grannypantys
November 14th 2017
1503 Comments


guys, guys, guys

don't you see what's happening?

You're taking your anger and rage stemming from the untimely destruction of Brand New and you are misplacing it towards each other. I know it is sad that your collective favorite band has let you down, but you don't have to take it out on each other.

If we work together we can get past this. THERE IS HOPE.

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
14994 Comments


thank god Brand New was never anything more than middling emo in the first place
praise be phil

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
14994 Comments


hmmmm

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


Jesse Rapey.

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


ok then

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Great thread guys

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


thanks man

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


On a serious note, his statement is pretty fucking stupid and cynical tbh.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


It's just damage control really.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


His bandmates must be pissed right the fuck off about now.

Green Baron
November 14th 2017
24101 Comments


I don't blame them, this threw a cog into literally all of their plans

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Yeah, I feel bad for them.

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


"It's just damage control really."

It is, but he could've at least tried a bit harder. Like Louis C.K's response, for instance. It doesn't change the fact that what he did is terrible and disgusting, but at least he sounds legitimately distressed and regretful. Most importantly, he starts by saying that everything people's been saying is true. Unlike Jesse, who pretty much dodges all of the allegations against him.



MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Louis CK actually admitted precisely to what he did yeah

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"so now you're actually gonna make serious comments? lmao at least you're saying something"

see, wtf does this even mean

RadicalEd
November 14th 2017
8574 Comments


wow this turned into a shit show, who knew?

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


"Louis CK actually admitted precisely to what he did yeah."

Yes, and that what legitimizes the fact that he's sorry for what he did, and that he regrets it. I mean, there's no turning back for him and his career, but at least he went out being honest. Fucking Jesse, man. Trying to make everyone feel sorry for him because of his "horrific sex addiction", instead of facing the fact that he's a pedophile.


MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Lol this is one of sputnik's most collectively beloved artists im surprised its not even MORE of a shitshow.

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


"wow this turned into a shit show, who knew?"

A Brand New thread turning into a shit show?? That's impossible!!!!


AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


i think its funny that there are people who are expecting him to come out and admit to doing something that could land him in jail. whether you think he should be in there or not, only a dumbass would incriminate themselves like that.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Yeah. He's got his hands completely tied there.

zakalwe
November 14th 2017
23347 Comments


Who just whips their nob out and starts wanking off in front of a bird? Debauched bunch of bastards.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


World is full of these kinds of people, unfortunately

zakalwe
November 14th 2017
23347 Comments


There will be some form of dysphoria for it. They’ll be painted as victims and we’ll have to put up with spaff all over the gaff.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Pretty much

Cygnatti
November 14th 2017
31985 Comments


oh.

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


Some of you guys should Research the Term pedophile

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


loli infant

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


i bet everyone $20 jesse lacey kills himself before the end of the year

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


people that come into these threads just to say "uhmm ackchually, *ephebophilia" need to be on some kind of genetic blacklist

and @assclap420 ease up on the Rick and Morty and stop condescending to people just because you limped your way through an introductory psych course

Digging: Tom Waits - Rain Dogs

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


yeah, because using the right words isnt important...i guess we can start saying he raped her now. i mean, close enough, right??

lucky
November 14th 2017
26 Comments


Looks like this whole bands just a bunch of creeps..

lucky
November 14th 2017
26 Comments


Whoops got mixed up with the Bright Eyes guy, nvm

zakalwe
November 14th 2017
23347 Comments


I knew there was a reason they rubbed me up the wrong way. I could smell the bullshit a mile off.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


I dropped my rating a .5 and it felt good, the removal of the 2/5 blockade feels like progress, I see a brighter future for sputnikmusic.com. A future without Brand New.

'rubbed me up the wrong way' snarf snarf

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


xD

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"Some of you guys should Research the Term pedophile"

yea u can keep ur extensive research on this prestigious word in ur own search history

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Or you can just ask Pete Townshend what he found out after those hundreds of painful hours of research.

Frippertronics
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
14994 Comments


take some tips from Gary Glitter, he ought to know how this works

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"yeah, because using the right words isnt important...i guess we can start saying he raped her now. i mean, close enough, right"

yea guys use the right words ffs, he was off by 2 whole years

do you know how much 2 years is? it's the difference between a child and a slightly older child

jagride
November 14th 2017
2790 Comments


Research the Term, a forthcoming pop puink benefit concert

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


"do you know how much 2 years is? it's the difference between a child and a slightly older child"

do you know how much 1 year is? it's the difference between a child (17) and an adult (18)

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


the day I find myself arguing the semantics of pedophilia on a music website will be the day I pack it in, perhaps from life altogether [2]

I'm honestly embarrassed for some of yall

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


500

Digging: Depeche Mode - Violator

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


http://listverse.com/2017/08/28/10-groupies-that-majorly-impacted-the-history-of-rock-n-roll/

so many "icons" of music have banged under age girls. why are the likes of Bowie and Jagger not disgraced because of this too?

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Reading the Pitchfork article, becoming clear this wasn’t isolated incidences, was more this dude’s whole thing for years. Pretty damning at this point.

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


"so many 'icons' of music have banged under age girls. why are the likes of Bowie and Jagger not disgraced because of this too?"

B-but those are legends!

Demon of the Fall
November 14th 2017
2940 Comments


It isn't right but society is different now, people are harder on this sort of thing & rightly so, historical context can't be completely disregarded. I can understand why people are harder on someone when the incidents happened much more recently.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


There is an element that this sort of thing is so prevalent throughout history and still today that it gets ridiculous.

Seems nearly every male priest, soldier, celebrity, sports star, actor, musician, politician, etc has tried to abuse their power to get their sexually suspect kicks.

In some cases women afforded this level of power don’t exactly behave impeccably.

So in summary, he’s been a creep, but in the context of history and severity of what happened...this should shock absolutely no one.

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


not sure what Mick Jagger has to do with this but ok

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


what does shock have to do with anything

nobody's shocked that pop punk weirdo likes pubescent girls and took advantage of one of his fans. doesn't make what he did any less disgusting

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


I’m saying you’d find what half of the rich and famous men afforded power throughout history disgusting - perspective.

There is an element of this being particularly funny because we’re all right now logged in to BrandNew.com but honestly as has been mentioned above, Jimmy Page, Keith Moon, Iggy Pop and Bowie would have laughed this dude out of ‘the club’.

It’s weak sauce.

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


Mick Jagger banging under age groupies has nothing to do with any of this at all.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


How so?

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


i was being sarcastic LOLOL

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Girls are more valued now? Or are more vulnerable?

Surely only our standards have changed?

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


EDIT: ah, ok

Demon of the Fall
November 14th 2017
2940 Comments


Can we talk about Decapitated instead, or does no-one care about a DM band's potential gang rape thing?

DinosaurJones
November 14th 2017
6177 Comments


♪ Dory McClean
She's only 14
Gonna suck it all night
She's a sweet sucking queen
DORYYYYYYYYY ♪

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"Can we talk about Decapitated instead, or does no-one care about a DM band's potential gang rape thing?"

yes because not talking about dm band Decapitated in the Jesse Lacey thread means nobody cares

fyi there was a long ass decapitated thread too

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


Decapitated has sucked since Vitek died. Who gives a shit.

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


dude no one gives a fuck about decapitated gang raping a girl, this is way more important right now because this girl was underage

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


If Led Zeppelin’s combined depravity could be labelled a ‘hammer of the gods’ then Jesse’s is more a pin prick

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


I haven't seen Eraserhead in a while. Might download.

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


why are we discussing Jesse Lacey in the Jesse Lacey thread????

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


In Jesse's defense they're fucking already at 13. He's giving them 2 years.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Two extra years to digest the discog, he likes them to know all the words first

BlackwaterPork
November 14th 2017
1648 Comments


Few comments here lads

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


"do you know how much 2 years is? it's the difference between a child and a slightly older child"

i mean this whole thread is a big mess and this jesse lacey fella seems like a big sack o crap, but the difference between the terms is pretty important, because while pedophilia is basically alwyas illegal and morally wrong, in a significant portion of places the age of consent is 16, so ephobophilia should be differentiated considering it applies to a portion of a legal age bracket.

so yeah 2 years in this case is the difference between a child and a slightly older child, it's also the different between a child and a consenting adult

but arguments about definitions here is stupid, it has nothing to do with it. even if she were of legal age, in her statements it appears as though his behaviour was forceful and abusive in nature, which is completely wrong

and on the topic of other bands etc. doing this stuff: you can be upset about more than one thing in the world, this is just the newest and most immediate bad thing to be upset about. we don't have a level cap on the amount of things that can disturb us, and we also don't need to be constantly whining about everything bad ever just because one new bad thing comes up. let people just complain about the bad thing

toocool4pos
November 14th 2017
161 Comments


Jesus Christ.

It's like these guys have No Control over themselves. Don't get me wrong, we all have our Vices, but to try and take a 15 yr old to Bed is a depth to which someone should never Sink. At The Bottom of it all You Won't Know how many girls he did this to; such a Waste.

I tell you one thing though, it's Good To Know That If I Ever Need Attention that I won't be sending a Mix Tape to saying I'm Missing You to some underage girl. That's just a Failure By Design if you ask me.

DinosaurJones
November 14th 2017
6177 Comments


Booooooooooooooooooo

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


lol

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


@snox the 2 years in question isn't 16 -18, it's 12-14...idk why ppl are deflecting to the age of consent. none of the accusers were even close to it so why being it up?

to a grown man, 12 and 14 should be exactly the same. the ppl in here arguing vociferously for one being called a hebebebephile or whatever the fuck instead of a pedophile like those 2 years even make a difference in this context should have a long look at themselves

DinosaurJones
November 14th 2017
6177 Comments


I was just as big an idiot at 14 as I was at 12, just in different ways.

I'm sure that everyone here was just a paragon of virtue and sound decision making at 14 though, and clearly thought through the repercussions of all of their decisions.

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


that's true. to a grown man, 8 and 15 are exactly the same. he's a pedophile

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


" the 2 years in question isn't 16 -18, it's 12-14...idk why ppl are deflecting to the age of consent"

As I said, the age of consent in most places in 16, so your comment could go both ways, e.g. 14-16 is equally as close to legal as 14-12 is to pedophilia, so i.e. making an argument out of that whole thing is useless and doesn't have anything that pertains to the actual case here. I mean saying "to a grown man, 12 and 14 should be exactly the same" is just as pointless as saying "to a grown man, 14 and 16 should be exactly the same", so in essence: both sides here are arguing a pointless argument. Just ignore the people making the case for ephobophile, because it's easy for both you and them to make strawmans

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


So 50% of the artists from the ‘70s were big ol pedophiles

:Recalibrating:

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


aye ^

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Is now a good time to remove all prog from the database?

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


do it

BigBlob
November 14th 2017
2860 Comments


just close sputnik tbh

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Still not convinced 12 year olds would have ever been attracted to Rick Wakeman

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


Well the creator of rock was quite into watching his girls shit without them noticing so when you go rock you can never go back I guess

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


i just want ppl to look at what it means about the music industry, society and the human psyche in general rather than focusing all their mental energy on attacking the individual. this problem goes deeper than just some rogue stars finding their way into power & polluting their surroundings

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Well, the evidence is society has started changing?

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


denouncing the individual involved feels good and is necessary to an extent but in the end all it functions is to psychologically distance an individual from the accused into a sort of dichotomy

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


is true

https://memestatic2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Yes+i+wanted+it+too+_6c783155b49eced982969c437b5d2746.jpg


Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"that's true. to a grown man, 8 and 15 are exactly the same. he's a pedophile"

ask urself why ur so invested in the labelling of another man who didn't deny whipping out his dick to a 15 year old

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


no u

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


fish i think it boils down to A) humans are literally animals and things like this are going to happen but its also B) a result of the power some people try to hold over others, and as people like lacey get exposed more and more these days it will hopefully take some of the power out of the hands of these people and deter them from committing sexual assault in the future

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


these are the kind of people that seek power in the first place though

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


a lot of the time yeah but if you expect a species to forgo it's natural innate inclination as a whole for power in order to create security and ensure the propagation of their genetic code i mean that's just never going to happen

narcissism will always prevail in some proportion

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


i don't think the amount of narcissism and insecurity in the 21st century is natural tbh

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Statistically speaking, given the opportunities, a lot of the people in this very thread would do some very dumb shit.

That’s why I don’t like getting too holier than thou about this.

I mean the thirst for power could also be linked to charisma/creativity/intelligence too, at least to some degree?

How many guitar legends were born thinking of the spoils of fame?

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


i think the social media trend creates more narcissism yeah i think its a major issue even i hate the way the new generation is trending in that regard, but again it will always be there no matter what time and place we are in culturally

anarchistfish
November 14th 2017
26041 Comments


i don't think it only comes down to social media. our whole society is set up to be competitive. social media has contributed to the problem though

what doofus said

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


society will always be set up to be competitive, its competition that breeds innovation and progress, that's literally what natural selection is

and really to say it's "set up" like that is sort of false because it's natural

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


Yeah 2 years make no difference so 16 or 18 doesn't matter which meins 18 to 20 and 20 to 22 to 24 doesn't matter so basically Jesse has been the Same age As her and Everything is Fine. Who cares about semantics lel

oWhoadYo
November 14th 2017
1979 Comments


Lmao brand new breeds this type of behavior too. I see it all the time. And this piece of shit only talks about himself in his apology. Pure worthless scum. Fuck this guy and fuck his awful music. I love seeing people defend this loser. Pathetic, hope he gets blacklisted so I don't have to here another man child jerk off to devil and god. Overrated derivative garbage. His apology infuriates me and it's clear he only wants sympathy

bloc
November 14th 2017
44244 Comments


I too will get enjoyment from watching their album averages fall

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


"Yeah 2 years make no difference so 16 or 18 doesn't matter which meins 18 to 20 and 20 to 22 to 24 doesn't matter so basically Jesse has been the Same age As her and Everything is Fine. Who cares about semantics lel"

tfw u have loli in ur name

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


he's already said everything we need to know

coldheaven
November 14th 2017
312 Comments


This thread is proof that this site needs user background checks.

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


*fanboy alarm sounds*

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


the weird part is some of these dudes don't even like the band. u can't even say they're fanboying

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


Has anyone defended him here?

Keyblade
November 14th 2017
24976 Comments


really more like defending the noble establishment of hebephilia from slanderous comparisons to pedophilia

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


r/barelylegal enjoy

Xenophanes
Staff Reviewer
November 14th 2017
783 Comments


Some surprisingly good commentary itt

Digging: Julien Baker - Turn Out The Lights

Xenophanes
Staff Reviewer
November 14th 2017
783 Comments


Or maybe my standards are just that low

JWT155
November 14th 2017
13599 Comments


I hope your standards are above Jesse Lacey's and aren't below 18...........
I'll see myself out

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


Actually my only point so far was that he isn't a pedophile by definition because that would need him to like PREPUBESCENT children and not girls that could already bear a child. Also my nickname originates from the oliphaunts in lord of the rings and has nothing to do with what your sick minds seem to think of instantly

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


guess I'm about six degrees too weird for you

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Your username isn't doing you any favors here buddy

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


it's your mind not my username

LoLifant
November 14th 2017
1255 Comments


never heard of it but thanks for the rec you expert

CugnoBrasso
November 14th 2017
45 Comments


I actually think what Jesse did is disgusting, but it's not what bothers me the most. I just hate how his "effort to address what's been going on lately" is all about how he had problems and he couldn't help doing it and it's not his fault and so on and so forth... He molested a minor, if this is true he's eventually gonna have problems with the law, so he might as well face it already.

Lucid
November 14th 2017
8674 Comments


Yeah I don't give a shit how much he loves his wife or how he's a good family man, that has nothing do with confessing for his actions. Focus should be on the victims and their healing, not him.

SCREAM!
November 14th 2017
14917 Comments


"if this is true he's eventually gonna have problems with the law, so he might as well face it already"

Not necessarily, it'd be pretty hard to prove anything at this point so he'll likely get off from a legal standpoint

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Focus should be on the victims and their healing, not him.
[2]

guitarded_chuck
November 14th 2017
13646 Comments


well bringing the accused to justice is part of the victim's healing

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


So...Jesse walks into a daycare....

Itwasthatwas
November 14th 2017
1414 Comments


I guess he won't get off if she really has screen caps.

bloc
November 14th 2017
44244 Comments


He got off already bro like multiple ti...oh.

brnnnfrrll073
November 14th 2017
13 Comments


Just lol at the dudes jumping out of their seats to 1.0 every Brand New album

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
16336 Comments


1 rating isn’t unlocked for TDAG...yet

alienobserver
November 14th 2017
3863 Comments


5.0 classic
American Football American Football
Brand New The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


I love that people are arguing "no the 2 years is important that's age of consent in lithuania or some shit" like it's cool for 20 something year olds to be fucking 16 year olds

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


I missed the part where anyone said it was cool.

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


it's implied

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


though I'm surprised you're not in the loop on what the people think is cool mr username AdolfChrist

alienobserver
November 14th 2017
3863 Comments


nicholas von nuclearrape


alienobserver
November 14th 2017
3863 Comments


you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand the difference between pedophilia and hebegeebiephilia

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


No, i dont think it is implied. You seem to have a very narrow perception. Either you think hes an irredeemable piece of shit pedophile or you think soliciting nudes from a 15 year old is ok. Theres no in between. I get it, nuances are hard.

alienobserver
November 14th 2017
3863 Comments


"Either you think hes an irredeemable piece of shit pedophile or you think soliciting nudes from a 15 year old is ok"

i like how you say this like thinking hes a piece of shit pedophile is at an extreme end of the spectrum regarding this situation

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


"I get it, nuances are hard."

see it's funny cause I don't think you do

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


a priest, a rabbi and Jesse walk into a preschool....

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


*mic drop*

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


All hell broke loose because I mentioned the word "pedophile."

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


PD: He is a pedophile.

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


I read the allegations, and I just have a hard time grasping how someone can "force" anyone to participate in online sexual activity. In Nicole Garey's words: “It was him sending requests for the most part. It was never really violent or upfront; it was always just very… underhanded and manipulative, in a psychological way.” People do dumb stuff when they are teenagers, and I am not one to say how people go through things psychologically, but I have a hard time believing this event was the sole purpose of her alcoholism and panic attacks. Jesse is obviously disgusting and a moron for participating in any of this, but I doubt Nicole is much brighter. And no, I am not victim blaming/shaming for anyone who thinks they are so pure and that I shouldn't be able to analyze the situation.

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


@prancer I dont get it, are you saying rape is ok?? Nuances just complicate things, its not convenient, so stop it!

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


"All hell broke loose because I mentioned the word "pedophile."

Not really. Mentioning pedophile in this thread is like mentioning a big Mac at McDonald's

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


he might not be a pedophile, but that doesn't make anything ok. i think that's what most people here think

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


@Adolf I'm asking how is asking someone for nudes sexual abuse? And I might as well ask how rape is involved in all of this. Sorry if I seem insensitive to the situation. I don't deny any trauma she went through. No one can tell anyone how their brains are supposed to work. I'm just not sold on the "sexual abuse allegations."

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


well i mean, it's sexual harassment asking a minor for nudes when she doesn't want to reciprocate. in the article she said she was kinda blackmailed into giving him the nudes

apparently he had some sort of psychological power over her, due to her being a fan, him trying for a long time to get into her, etc

SowingSeason
Moderator
November 14th 2017
25033 Comments


It's abuse because he's soliciting them from a minor; whether or not she agrees to it doesn't even matter. If she were 20 or something, it'd just be a creepy move but not illegal.

No rape occurred at any point here, as far as I've been made aware through my own perusal of accusations that have surfaced thus far.

Digging: Brand New - Science Fiction

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


teenagers aren't exactly the most mentally-stable people around either

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


wow i'm truly disgusted at a lot of these comments that support child porn and pedophilia. the fuck is wrong with you lot. i hope jesse lacey and ian wantkids share a prison cell

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


"comments that support child porn and pedophilia"

Lol shut up, cocknoggin.

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


edited cuz lol it ok

zakalwe
November 14th 2017
23347 Comments


We are one step closer to having it off with dolphins. I can’t wait.

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


we're already there, ask PeTA

zakalwe
November 14th 2017
23347 Comments


PETA picked a pickled porpoise and pumped it full of protein

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


@Blac I literally cannot find one comment that supports child porn and pedophilia. In fact, I see more comments like yours than the comments they describe. So, I certainly hope I am not in that lot you are mentioning.

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


you read every single comment?

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


and u?

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


look, all you people with doubt asking questions and shit need to just wake up and accept that it's true and stop denying it

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


No, but I skimmed through them. If you would kindly point to the comment(s) you are talking about maybe it would help.

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


no. i could but i don't wanna

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


It probably is true since Jesse is "so sorry". I could care less about Jesse or Brand New. I was just proposing a discussion about the severity of the situation because a lot of terms like "pedophile" and "rape" get thrown around very loosely in today's age, which I think is dangerous when one side is automatically believed.

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


"I personally dont see a problem with rape. Animals get raped all the time and they dont get all traumatized by it. Women are just being oversensitive pussies. Rape is okay, and to me, even preferable to consensual sex."

- sixdegrees

Faraudo
November 14th 2017
1797 Comments


I think the term pedophile is correctly used on this particular situation. He enjoyed and probably jerked off to nude photographs sent by a 14 year old.

swipenet
November 14th 2017
737 Comments


Quality thread

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


“I love that people are arguing "no the 2 years is important that's age of consent in lithuania or some shit" like it's cool for 20 something year olds to be fucking 16 year olds”

Alright you realise that the age of consent in many US states is 16, right? Same as most states in Australia. And i don’t know about the UK or Europe but I’m willing to be it’s similar over there. So yeah it’s perfectly okay for 20 year olds to be with 16 year olds.


Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


15 is illegal in most places yea but that’s not what we were talkin about (this age of consent thing doesn’t have anything to do with Jesse Lacey’s accusations)

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


I was initially just telling Keyblade about his strawman involving age and what constitutes a child and then it snowballed. I don’t care none about Jesse Lacey and whether he’ll be charged or not, he sounds like a dick regardless

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


This thread has evolved

Jasdevi087
November 14th 2017
4554 Comments


yeah the age of consent is 16 where I live too but good to know you're cool with 20 somethings banging 16 year olds it was nice meeting you too

elliootsmeuth
November 14th 2017
3353 Comments


This is probably the fastest growing thread in the history of this site and it wouldn't be complete with my two cents worth: I don't give a shit.

BlacKapes
November 14th 2017
1920 Comments


^ well then you support sexual abuse

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


"yeah the age of consent is 16 where I live too but good to know you're cool with 20 somethings banging 16 year olds it was nice meeting you too"

when i was 16 i slept with a 19 year old girl so idk man i think you're just a prude

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


yikes

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


average age of consent in Europe is 14-16 but he's not European anyway so why does it matter

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


the age of consent argument here isn't in relation to jesse lacey or this case.

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


Also there's a pretty massive difference between some 30 something year old guy like this guy apparently was when this happened being into a 15 year old and a 20 year old being into a 16 year old I would think that goes without saying

JayEnder
November 14th 2017
634 Comments


Damn this thread blew up

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


@gwyn: yeah it does, nobody was talkin bout that tho

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


some people itt apparently seem to have a problem with 20 years olds banging 16 year olds

I'm not gonna get into the rest of the argument or whatever but that's retarded

elliootsmeuth
November 14th 2017
3353 Comments


"^ well then you support sexual abuse"
Let me reiterate; I don't give a shit about this argument.


Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


men in their 20s shouldn't be dating high schoolers yeah. you guys are fucked

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


people of legal age can date whomever they like also within legal age

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


just because it's legal doesn't mean it's moral or right you sick fuck

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


tell me a non-morality related reason two consenting individuals with less than 5-10 years of age difference (I could even say any difference but w/e) can't fuck when it's legally allowed in their society

edit: I got beaten to it

How about you explain via non-nebulous concepts like morality why it's wrong/not "right"

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
November 14th 2017
6362 Comments


if you're gonna get pedantic over the difference between the legalities of sex with 14 vs 15 vs 16 year olds, then your level of moral reasoning probably isn't very high to begin with, on this topic at least. a better question is to ask why the established ages of consent exist in the first place. it's wrong to initiate sexual relationships with people who are still deep in their formative years, don't understand the implications of sex, and aren't in a position to weigh their actions and the ensuing consequences, and how all this affects their mental development.

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


I dont think you should be in jail for it but it is weird and probably means you cant get anyone your own age.

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


"men in their 20s shouldn't be dating high schoolers yeah"

That actually happened quite a bit.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Lmao this fucking thread

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


if you think you can have a deep and meaningful relationship with a 16 year old, a high schooler as a man in your 20s you are beyond fucked

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


nobody said anything about a deep and meaningful relationship

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


@Johnny2Hotty: That's more like it, but being older than someone isn't any guarantee that they're more experienced and less likely to suffer some kind of long-term psychological effect by having sex with someone with a lesser age than them, unless the age difference is extremely pronounced. Moreover society as a whole has opened to sexuality significantly over the past few decades and teenagers nowadays are much aware of sex and what can potentially come from it than they used to be, so the difference in an understanding of the subject between a 16 year old and a 20 year old is unlikely to be that much different, especially given that by enlarge neither one of these individuals could be considered experienced adults. The 16 year old might be more impressionable, but there isn't any guarantee of this either. I had sex when I turned 16 with an 19 year old and as far as I can tell I turned out alright.

SCREAM!
November 14th 2017
14917 Comments


I had sex with a 16 yo at 16. Good thing she wasn't 20 tho cause that could've fucked me up

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


unless people are explicitly manipulated, deceived or coerced in any way, 16 year olds are usually mature enough to understand sex, its implications and who they want to engage with sexually.

i mean sure when i was a 16 year old i woulda boned anyone but i still used protection, checked for STDs before getting new partners and even though my emotional maturity in terms of relationships was a bit wonky due to my unrealised anxiety and mental health conditions at the time, that wasn't really a significant factor.

the most manipulative and dangerous person i ever dated was 16 year old girl while i was 18 so people can be dangerous at any age be warned

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


That's what I tell the first graders when I hand them the white powder

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


snox if banging 16 year olds is ok then why isn't 15? what's the one year difference make? hmmm really makes u think

Slut
November 14th 2017
4162 Comments


this thread needs to end

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


people who are 16 are usually a year's worth of education and expectation older. they've been taught sex and understand its relevance as they approach their adolescent apex.

probably a similar reasoning to why most laws cap the legal age at 16, but there are many places that have it lower. i personally don't really agree with going any lower because me at 15 and me at 16 were pretty different

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


absolute steaming horseshit

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


"dudes who go for high school girls in their 20s are usually manipulators, liars and coercers yeah"

most of em yea
also if you're over the age of 20 you should probs be looking for girls your own age because it makes sense in so many more ways rather than just moral ones
but i can't really argue with the law so if a 25 year old wants to date a 16 year old i can't really do or say anything that would change that

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


The age of consent is generally an awkward concept. It is weird people can just pass laws putting a kind-of-arbitrary number on something that says "this age is ok, but that one isn't" since everyone matures differently.

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


@Prancer: well it's not like people can "just pass laws", it's a lot less arbitrary with that. there's a lot a law needs to go through to be made

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


japans age of consent is 13 i guess that's ok because it's the law. get fucked dude

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


"if you think you can have a deep and meaningful relationship with a 16 year old, a high schooler as a man in your 20s you are beyond fucked"

Today yes. Back then, no.

Prancer
November 14th 2017
464 Comments


I am talking about how in the US at least, different states have different ages of consent ranging from 16-18, and I just find that weird.

Gwyn.
November 14th 2017
17074 Comments


Futures are you 13 because I wanna fuck you up call me

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


"I am talking about how in the US at least, different states have different ages of consent ranging from 16-18, and I just find that weird."

yeah here in australia we have two states with the age consent at 17, and the rest are at 16. it's a weird thing to try and designate a number to because even with general age it differs from person to person in terms of their development both physically and emotionally

SCREAM!
November 14th 2017
14917 Comments


The alternative would be to not have any number (wouldn't futures just love that)

Not sure that's any better tbh

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


"it differs from person to person in terms of their development both physically and emotionally"

thats true but what can you do about it. there needs to be a law in place. gotta draw the line somewhere.

Futures
November 14th 2017
9693 Comments


The alternative would be to not have any number (wouldn't futures just love that)


what the fuck are you talking about? i'm saying 18 and up don't be a creep and date high schoolers

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


why 18 though? what led you to that number? because that's when high school ends? because that's the legal drinking age? because it's a base number that the modern world has applied to maturity?

are we talking about peak brain development, which has been theorised to continue developing all the way into the mid-thirties depending on the person? or physical growth, which can continue all the way into the mid-20s? where are you drawing your basis for this from?

SCREAM!
November 14th 2017
14917 Comments


At 18 you're just getting out of high school, you're basically still a high schooler

You're just taking the concept of applying an arbitrary number to this but applying a different one that aligns with your views lmao

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


"If they're old enough to pee, they're old enough for me" - Jesse

Slut
November 14th 2017
4162 Comments


because that's the legal drinking age?

lol

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


"because that's the legal drinking age?

lol"

I forgot that the US is behind the rest of the world when it comes to drinking age right sorry

Slut
November 14th 2017
4162 Comments


whatever

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


America: Where you can go to war at 18, but alcohol? Nonononono, Gotta be 21 sorry.

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


America: Ayahuasca is a schedule 1 narcotic but alcohol is legal.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


America: A naturally occurring plant that you literally cannot overdose on and actually has many health and functional benefits and uses and has never been responsible for a single death in the history of people is illegal,

But alcohol? Yeah, knock yourself out! (literally)

alienobserver
November 14th 2017
3863 Comments


wake up sheeple

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


Go to bed Drifter.

Wait, nvm sup Mayhem.

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


Lol, sup Aiwaz. (was that a drifter sounding comment?)

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 14th 2017
5862 Comments


Lmao 700 comments... well done, boys.

AdolfChrist
November 14th 2017
12937 Comments


enjoy :]

Aiwaz
November 14th 2017
4516 Comments


I have a feeling this will be bumped periodically over the years.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 14th 2017
5862 Comments


So who won?

MayhemWithMercy
November 14th 2017
3739 Comments


No one.

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 14th 2017
3334 Comments


France

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


Pop punk

Asdfp277
November 14th 2017
15783 Comments


Andcas

Keyblade
November 15th 2017
24976 Comments


Adolescent Apex

new pop punk band, called dibs

MayhemWithMercy
November 15th 2017
3739 Comments


Can I watch you masturbate on Skype

Astral Abortis
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
3334 Comments


"Adolescent Apex

new pop punk band, called dibs"

would actually be a killer pop punk band name

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


It's still strange to think that Oliver Reed is still widely regarded as one of the baddest muthas to have walked the planet but was well known to be fucking young teenagers into his fifties.

I guess don't combine those activities with referring to yourself as 'Jesse' and playing pop punk - which are the two least cool things any human can do.

That deep level of uncool and then diddling little girls - bad combo. Fuck him.

zakalwe
November 15th 2017
23347 Comments


I think I’d fuck Ollie Reed. Or rather let him smash me up the arse.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


Everyone in this thread would let's get real - and he wouldn't have checked any of our birth certificates.

The man don't give a fuck.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


I remember my mum saying something like 'oh yes, Ollie Reed, he's always shacked up with teenagers'

Think there's an unwritten rule of thumb among that generation that if you're constantly pissed to the point of incapacity and yet can also maintain such an aggressive erection despite that level of consumption then you deserve whatever you want.



zakalwe
November 15th 2017
23347 Comments


Can you imagine going for a pint with the bloke especially in his heyday? Legendary.
Imagine going for a pint with Jesse? Fucking ludicrous. He’d no doubt rather go to a swimming pool.

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


Reed's big lad didn't hide behind Skype

Blam, in a flash it would've been so close you could practically taste today's crust of fresh smegma

AdolfChrist
November 15th 2017
12937 Comments


yummy

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


so apparently these claims are mostly bullshit, dude's rep is really fucked either way now tho

guitarded_chuck
November 15th 2017
13646 Comments


if the claims were bullshit he wouldnt have apologized for them

pls take your misinformation elsewhere ty

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


he didnt apologize for them tho, he just said he's a shit person who cheated on his wife. theres like picture proof everywhere that she wasnt underage and everything is suspect as fuck but whatevz dude

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


like yeah he was a shit person but hes not a pedophile it looks like

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


source?

Anyways none of us knows what happened exactly and for all we know this could be just some frustrated girl that regrets a past life decision when she was into older guys (like most girls of that age, especially if he's a musician). Not saying it was that way. He might as well have manipulated and blackmailed her. None of us knows.

Keyblade
November 15th 2017
24976 Comments


why are u going so hard for this guy

defending him more than he's defending himself. sus

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


And once again he isn't a pedophile even if each and every accusation was true dude. Ian Watkins is a pedo. He likes children, even babys. Liking teengirls isn't pedophilia.

I'm not defending him, I am defending truth. Whether it was worse than the accusations or not as bad, I don't care. None of us knows it for a fact so far.

pjorn
November 15th 2017
4225 Comments


yikes

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


This thread still has the juice to last another week I’m thinking

guitarded_chuck
November 15th 2017
13646 Comments


"source?"

you capable of using the google?

https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/11/13/563807010/brand-new-frontman-jesse-lacey-apologizes-for-sexual-misconduct-postpones-tour

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7czu44/mods_of_rbrandnew_deleted_my_post_timeline_of/

DinosaurJones
November 15th 2017
6177 Comments


Oh, so it's TOTALLY COOL if I, a 28 year old man, were to whip it out in front of a 15 year old and started whacking it.

No repercussions needed.

Also, hello NSA or FBI or whatever, this is a purely hypothetical situation.

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


"you capable of using the google?"

I was asking for the source for BlackKapes post that the accusations are bullshit. So much for me blindly defending him.

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


i mean theyre not proven to be bullshit but the details are certainly sketched as fuck, read through that and think about it idk

Keyblade
November 15th 2017
24976 Comments


https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons

guitarded_chuck
November 15th 2017
13646 Comments


it doesnt matter what your personal opinion is on the morality of it lolifant, it was illegal

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


Depends on what exactly happened and that's something none of us knows. That's all I'm saying.

robotmagician
November 15th 2017
507 Comments


lolifant grow the fuck up. jesse and people close to him have acknowledged the accusations as far as they could without getting Lacey in legal trouble. He doesn't need you arguing the semantics of pedophilia/hebephilia/ephebophila on sputnikmusic.com.

if he did as little as send/recieve pictures, guess what? that's illegal.

Digging: Dreadnought - Bridging Realms

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


its only illegal if she was underage

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


Check the link BlackKapes posted robotmagician. Proves once again there is a reason we have courts and why social media warriors shouldn't be the one to make the judgement. Not saying the contents of the link disprove everything, but they certainly raise questions.

coldheaven
November 15th 2017
312 Comments


Vote this comment to close this thread, sheesh

robotmagician
November 15th 2017
507 Comments


we know she was underage from the admittance of people who were close to lacey at the time. I like how you guys don't want to believe the victims or people close to lacey/who worked with him, but you'll believe random reddit users lmfao

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


dude i saw this shit on her reddit and instagram myself, its straight from the source

plus i still do belive the victim but i think some of the details might be wrong knowingly or unknowligly

guitarded_chuck
November 15th 2017
13646 Comments


dUdE i wAs ThErE

guitarded_chuck
November 15th 2017
13646 Comments


if she was of legal age he wouldnt need to apologize, simple

the only reason he didnt make a more direct apology is because of legal reasons

thats it, debate over, its done closer er up

LoLifant
November 15th 2017
1255 Comments


source of people close to lacey admitting to the illegal parts plz

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


ok guitarded_chuck has it all figured it out, case closed

pjorn
November 15th 2017
4225 Comments


just curious, either of you read the pitchfork article?

BlacKapes
November 15th 2017
1920 Comments


ya why

pjorn
November 15th 2017
4225 Comments


just curious

grannypantys
November 15th 2017
1503 Comments


https://www.thinkingaboutfiction.me/blog/2017/11/12/imaginative-resistance-and-the-woody-allen-problem

an article that discusses separating art from the artist

grannypantys
November 15th 2017
1503 Comments


tbh it's not very convincing

henryChinaski
November 15th 2017
3883 Comments


Why does this have so many comments...

SCREAM!
November 15th 2017
14917 Comments


hmm why would a scandal relating to a controversial topic in current events and featuring the frontman of one of the most hyped bands on this music website garner so many comments

I fucking wonder eh

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 15th 2017
16336 Comments


Brand New are Sputnik Towers house band is why

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 15th 2017
5862 Comments


She was just fifteen and it felt so right

Sleepin' all day jackin' off all night

MayhemWithMercy
November 15th 2017
3739 Comments


People still REEEEEEEEEing in this thread, I see? Ah, OK. Carry on gentlemen.

bloc
November 15th 2017
44244 Comments


lmao Ghost, going after Sowing's favourites

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


I'm very conflicted about this. More and more people who claim they knew the victim, say things about her that portray her in a totally different light (lying about her age, massive groupie, etc.)
If these testimonies are just hating her, it's very cruel. If these hold any truth, we were judging too harshly.
I wonder what Jesse Lacey is doing right now

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


In the reddit thread 'fighotffyourdemons', there are people building 'a case'. I wonder what angle they're working from: truth or fandom? Also: will this go to court?

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


2028: MTV's where are they now - the Jesse Lacey edition.

DinosaurJones
November 16th 2017
6177 Comments


Ha. MTV won't be around in 2028.

lovealienzzz
November 16th 2017
9 Comments


He's fucking cancelled. He's over. BYE.

Keyblade
November 16th 2017
24976 Comments


"I wonder what angle they're working from: truth or fandom?"

hmm i really wonder. let's ask sowing

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


idk ive been checking out the sources, most are directly from the girl and theres a lot of fact skewing on her end (im not gonna go into much detail bc it can be character assasintation but go look for yourself), i think she was 19/20 when she met him tho based on a few tumblr posts. whole thing is just sketchy, like i said dudes rep is ruined regardless tho

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


yes ofc this makes me a pedophile sympathiser but seriously if this this didnt go down like she claimed then thats fucked and trivialises real victims

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


instead of blabbering on for a week about these sources you have confirmed she was of legal age why dont you share them

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


did you read the megathread before it was taken down

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


here come the excuses

~I seem to have misplaced my notes~~~~

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


but did you tho? i mean i linked it yesterday

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7czu44/mods_of_rbrandnew_deleted_my_post_timeline_of/

still up but missing the source content, theyre gonna repost it later with less personal details

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


i guess reddit considered it a dox even tho her name is all over every article published about it and nearly all of her social media accounts are public?

yo i found an word doc with some of the links but it has nothing from the past 2 days - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zSfk21i5ZunwWFb6rztt_rLcu2AFmuRtaq7Z0pu17Nc/edit

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


okay well i see zero evidence showing they were legal, feel free to point it out if im overlooking it

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


Regardless, now we need to assume that she told the truth, there is no hard evidence pointing to the contrary and there is semi-hard evidence pointing to her story (Jesse's vague apology).
An dtechnically, what those reddit users did is doxing yes. It goes beyond simply her name, they are checking and sniffing everything they can find about her life.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


this is pretty clear - https://twitter.com/degvusser/status/930659048751431680

theres more facts pointing to the fact that she was 19/20 when she met him than that she was 15 considering she would have been 15 in 2002 and the email that she shows as proof when she sent him pictures is in 2007

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


^^that could've been fabricated pretty easily though.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


so we should just discredit and ruin a dude's career and assume everything the victim says is true? no questioning, just blindly accept everything pshhh

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


"^^that could've been fabricated pretty easily though."

how so? she posted it on fb, looking for the link now in the megathread

edit - found it https://imgur.com/gallery/cRXmS

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


could have been fabricated, could have been her mispeaking, could have been using a different cam service

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


check this tho https://imgur.com/gallery/cRXmS

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


"
so we should just discredit and ruin a dude's career and assume everything the victim says is true? no questioning, just blindly accept everything pshhh"

No man. I'm advocating that we all back the fuck off lol, but it's already too late for that. The whole starting point was a failure to post the allegations on social media to begin with. The first stop should've been the police, but that takes some courage ofcourse.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


yeah but if she doesnt press charges and there are facts pointing to fact skewing then this will die and dude's rep will be ruined since it was never resolved

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


"check this tho https://imgur.com/gallery/cRXmS"

like what is this even trying to show? are people trying to imply that since she was mentally ill her claims are to be discredited?

how about the idea of lacey taking advantage of a mentally ill teenager?

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


"yeah but if she doesnt press charges and there are facts pointing to fact skewing then this will die and dude's rep will be ruined since it was never resolved
"
Likely. It's silent on the BN front though, bet he's lawyering up.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


no, im not talking about that, im saying that she sent him pictures in 2007 when she was 19/20, thats the proof straight from the source of the allegations what more do you want

also she never got a response apparently bc in 2009 she emailed him asking why hes ignoring her lol

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


i just know it took conor oberst 8 months to have the girl to get a doc notarized that said she fabricated the whole rape accusation and his rep was still ruined, seems like this is the way thats gonna go, but i def think theres some truth to this girl's claims i think the facts are skewed tho

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


how do i know she was 19/20 in 2007 and how do i know even if so he hadnt been harassing her previously

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


well her instagram is private now but she posted in 2011 that she's turning 25

11/11/2011 - [she] claims she is almost 25 on instagram. Placing her birth year in 1986/1987. She would have been 17/18 in 2004

theres def a screenshot out there somewhere. im crippled with providing sources since the megathread OP was removed so ill just repost when they bring up a new megathread / google doc

LoLifant
November 16th 2017
1255 Comments


After making such accusations + claiming to have proof like old mails she should definitely press charges so the justice for victims she allegedly did this for can be served. If she doesn't, it rather points towards attention seeking of a bored and sick groupie

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


People who are investigating this should also keep in mind that this is not just a) she told the truth or b) she lied about some stuff

Nope, in the hypothetical scenario that she lied: what of it was caused by mental illness? Who's to say it was out of spite or a real image in the head?

So three scenarios: she told the truth; she partially lied out of spite(they definitely had something going on), she partially lied due to mental illness.

neekafat
November 16th 2017
5898 Comments


Well aren't you guys just the little detectives

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


plot twist: shes lying about her mental illness lol jk

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


So there are two scenarios wherein she's a victim and one scenario wherein she's not.

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


its all hearsay until i see proof sorry i dont take the word of a defensive sputnikmusic.com user about a theoretical screenshot that was taken by and posted on the brand new subreddit

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

DinosaurJones
November 16th 2017
6177 Comments


[2]

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


dude im not making it up, its on fightyourdemons subreddit. i didnt discover any of this shit, other people did lol bro my dude buddy

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


I agree the 'evidence' is rather thin. The balance is still dropped on the side of the accusation.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence "

LOL total double standard nice bro

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


"dude im not making it up, its on fightyourdemons subreddit. i didnt discover any of this shit, other people did lol bro my dude buddy
"
Yes, it is something, but nothing more. Screenshots are no real hard proof. We need the original links or mirrors.

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


"
LOL total double standard nice bro"

jesse Lacey himself provided evidence though, not hard but much more specific than the evidence in his defense.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


the old megathread had a lot of archived original source links for ya then

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


he provided evidence that he's a shit person who cheats on everyone he's with ya

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


I'd like to not be actively involved with this. Things will turn out ugly either way, and I don't want a hand in it.

Keyblade
November 16th 2017
24976 Comments


if he didn't do anything and/or knew she wasn't underage he would have said something in this pitiful statement

I like how other ppl are speaking on his behalf tho. u should ask him to pay u legal fees @blackapes

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


"he provided evidence that he's a shit person who cheats on everyone he's with ya
"

IN RESPONSE to the recent 'events', though and not refuting or denying her claims. That is substantial.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


no u

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


"dude im not making it up, its on fightyourdemons subreddit. "

ok good, show me

Itwasthatwas
November 16th 2017
1414 Comments


I don't remember much about 2002 or 2004 tbh. Not specifics anyways. I think sometimes holes in stories are just that - human limitation of memory.

Anyways, first there was a push to vilify Jesse (mission accomplished) now reddit will do the same to this girl, this is why it's best to just let the legal process do its thing and see how things play out. Trial by social media is always a bad idea, and personally I don't think these allegations should have been posted there as the starting point to begin with.

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


agreed although social media is the platform these women are using to get the confidence to bring allegations to light and to garner support because otherwise they'd get swept under the rug

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


careful fellas, sowing is wiping comments here

Digging: Cut Hands - Festival of the Dead

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


has blackapes conveniently left the thread now

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


nope hes all good, all clear clear through here

-jom

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


I HAVE PROOF IM NOT LYING BRO JUST DONT ASK ME FOR IT OR ILL HAVE TO MYSTERIOUSLY LEAVE THE THREAD

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


im waiting for them to repost the megathread stuff bc im lazy and busy and cant spend 30 minutes digging up sources on dead links / private social media. go read into it yourself shit

bloc
November 16th 2017
44244 Comments


Is it just me or did sixdegrees used to have more comments

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


Okay in all seriousness, there should be a deadline to when someone tells the authorities about something like this. If she would have said something a day or 2 after or even a week then I would take her side. But she is fucking 30 now, get over it. Like she's never seen a penis before? Spare me. What's her story now? "Well I've slept with several men and I'm a nympho but 15 years ago I saw a mans penis and it ruined me".

Sick of all these older women crawling out of the woodwork to ruin someone successful.

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


yea this comment count seems off to me

wonder what could have happened

coldheaven
November 16th 2017
312 Comments



Okay in all seriousness, there should be a deadline to when someone tells the authorities about something like this. If she would have said something a day or 2 after or even a week then I would take her side. But she is fucking 30 now, get over it. Like she's never seen a penis before? Spare me. What's her story now? "Well I've slept with several men and I'm a nympho but 15 years ago I saw a mans penis and it ruined me".

Sick of all these older women crawling out of the woodwork to ruin someone successful.

what in the actual fuck

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


Look I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying she did it because he has a successful music career. Like she would have said something if he was working at Sears. C'mon...

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


nice, there might be a spot for you on sputnik's moderation team

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


"go read into it yourself shit"

lmao

fall off the planet kid

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


"Look I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying she did it because he has a successful music career. Like she would have said something if he was working at Sears. C'mon..."

so if someone whos famous murders a sears employee and the famous person doesnt get caught until 15 years later the charges should be ignored?

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


yes

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


they are above us lowly peons

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


there should be a separate set of laws for people with over 50k twitter followers

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


"I'm not putting any stock in them until there's proof. Shit is so unbelievably out of hand these days with false accusations and people playing the victim, as if she probably didn't beg to send him the nudes, and then have zero regrets about it until she decided she could make some money now that they're back in the spotlight momentarily. Not saying he isn't guilty, because if he is, then my level of respect will do a 180, but I'm reserving judgment for now. Nowadays it seems 'accused' is synonymous with 'guilty'."

sowingseason would agree I think

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


"fall off the planet kid"

dude fr what more do you want from me? i linked the shit and pointed to specific resources, do you want me to spoonfeed you everything? fuck

coldheaven
November 16th 2017
312 Comments


This dang thread, man...I can't even get this much drama out of a season of Gossip Girl.

xoxo

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


"so if someone whos famous murders a sears employee and the famous person doesnt get caught until 15 years later the charges should be ignored?"

yes they should be ignored if there's no actual proof besides an accusation on facebook without bringing it to authorities, doesn't matter how famous you are

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


"dude fr what more do you want from me? i linked the shit and pointed to specific resources, do you want me to spoonfeed you everything? fuck"

you provided nothing that showed she was of legal age, and when i asked for it your response was "im waiting for them to post it" or "go find it yourself"

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


she sent him pictures in 2007, which would make her 19/20 since she is 30 now (pitchfork article - "Nicole Elizabeth Garey, 30, first shared her story on the since-deleted Facebook post last week"). her claims is that this happened when she was 15. those screenshots i linked to were posted BY HER ON FACEBOOK FROM HER EMAIL AS PROOF.

i realize that this doesn't "prove" that he wasnt fucking around with her before it but if this is the best proof shes got then uhhh thats pretty shaky. also it doesnt look like he ever responded to her based on that screenshot

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


black apes

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


no man its blac kapes

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


dude jesse isn’t going to come to your house and thank you for defending him on the internet. there is literally no reason for you to do what you’re doing. he admitted to things and didn’t deny any of the accusations. stop.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


no shit, its fucked up if she's not fully telling the truth since it trivializes real victims, thats why im saying this

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


sowingseason approved comment

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


i dont even like this band LOL theyre whiny af

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


hell yeah dude they suck hard

sspedding
November 16th 2017
5182 Comments


he's sorry he got outed

guitarded_chuck
November 16th 2017
13646 Comments


https://pitchfork.com/news/two-alleged-victims-of-brand-news-jesse-lacey-detail-years-of-sexual-exploitation-of-minors/

shes 30 now

they exchanged photos and shit in 2003

2017-2003=15
30-15=15

i know math is hard for you but im glad we can now reach the conclusion that you don't have shit for evidence

move on dude youre only stressing yourself out and you gain nothing for defending him

he already fucking apologized lmao

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


"he's sorry he got outed"




123

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


well she sure as hell hasnt shown any proof that she even knew him in 2003 so, her proof was from 2007

Piripichotes
November 16th 2017
413 Comments


Apparently the FB post wasn't written and posted by Lacey but by Accardi in an effort to save Lacey's ass before the shit hit the fan.

IMHO he's a piece of shit and should be sent to jail for life or why not death penalty. He's a nasty pedophile, I just 1'd science fiction and I'll soon 1 TDAG... it just brings so many good memories, but now I feel cheated and dirty...

Fuck you Lacey, my life is now ruined like that little girl's...
Fucking panic attacks, depression and anxiety, is fucking my life up.
Fuck Brand New.



BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


LOL jfc

bananatossing
November 16th 2017
479 Comments


lmfao yeah the betrayal crucify that ol' dirty peado XD XD XD

alienobserver
November 16th 2017
3863 Comments


^ that but unironically

zakalwe
November 16th 2017
23347 Comments


I heard that he finger banged a 12yr old who thought tdag was shit and told Jesse that she had grown out of that “sterile bland corporate pop shite”

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


ya same

onionbubs
November 16th 2017
6771 Comments


where’d you even find out that accardi wrote it i’ve tried looking that up and found nothing

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


true every nicole is a gold digging whore i can prove it

zakalwe
November 16th 2017
23347 Comments


That fucking massive porcelain cock?

pjorn
November 16th 2017
4225 Comments


oh no aiwaz lol oh no

MayhemWithMercy
November 16th 2017
3739 Comments


"Apparently the FB post wasn't written and posted by Lacey but by Accardi in an effort to save Lacey's ass before the shit hit the fan."

Source? Because jfc if true.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


JUST BELIEVE HIM DON'T QUESTION

Piripichotes
November 16th 2017
413 Comments


True AF motherfockas.

Source wants to remain secret in order to throw police investigations off path...



MayhemWithMercy
November 16th 2017
3739 Comments


Yeahhh sorry, gonna need a source for that.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


you cant disprove his source, so it must be true END OF STORY

MayhemWithMercy
November 16th 2017
3739 Comments


PSA: DO NOT TRUST THE ACCOUNTS OF EITHER LACEY OR THE VICTIMS. ONLY TAKE INFO FROM RANDOM SPUTNIK AND REDDIT USERS.

This has been a public service announcement, thank you.

BlacKapes
November 16th 2017
1920 Comments


your welcum

Piripichotes
November 16th 2017
413 Comments


"Yeahhh sorry, gonna need a source for that."

My word will have to do. I just 1'd Science Fiction FFS! What else do you want from me? Plus I start feeling nauseous as soon as I picture Lacey jackin off to that poor girl with "jesus christ" playing in that background and looking at her...

AdolfChrist
November 16th 2017
12937 Comments


Lmao what in the fuck is going on in this thread. How are people still in denial over what Jesse did, he basically admitted it. And then we've got the victim blaming (actual victim blaming, some of you need to learn what that means). I cant believe some of the shit im reading in here.

Spec
November 16th 2017
34814 Comments


if she doesn’t have video evidence and hasn’t written a twelve page essay then she’s lying

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


I want to see a rape kit

I deserve to know as a long time brand new fan

Itwasthatwas
November 16th 2017
1414 Comments


Lol at the idea of Vin writing a long apology for Jesse's sex addiction and serial cheating.

bloc
November 16th 2017
44244 Comments


Jesus Christ, that’s a pretty face

coldheaven
November 16th 2017
312 Comments


Jesse’s probably reading this thread rn

DoofusWainwright
Contributing Reviewer
November 16th 2017
16336 Comments


....one handed, with nothing on

bloc
November 16th 2017
44244 Comments


lol

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


lmao

Prettyplease
November 16th 2017
63 Comments


Jesus Christ that's a pretty face...

We all got wood...



robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


aiwaz i hope you were being sarcastic when you wrote that

Dylan620
November 16th 2017
3712 Comments


"every girl I've ever met in my life named "Nicole" is a gold digging whore"

That's funny, literally every girl named "Nicole" I've ever known to any extent is the complete opposite of that

Digging: Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism

pjorn
November 16th 2017
4225 Comments


where is she getting this gold from lol

"hello yes mr. police i'd like my cash reward for something that will never go to court thank you"

Slut
November 16th 2017
4162 Comments


Sounds like a gold digging whore to me

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


we get it you hate women

sixdegrees
November 16th 2017
261 Comments


im sorry about your ex-wife

Dylan620
November 16th 2017
3712 Comments


Holy shit six

SCREAM!
November 16th 2017
14917 Comments


"where is she getting this gold from lol"

Plenty of gold itt

AdolfChrist
November 16th 2017
12937 Comments


Jesus christ

pjorn
November 16th 2017
4225 Comments


"Plenty of gold itt"

the lob, the jam

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
November 16th 2017
6362 Comments


did you miss the other account where he was accused of being physically forceful?

also, Jesse hasn't actually addressed the accusations directly (unless something new surfaced in the past 48 hours) so you're ill-equipped to accuse the girl of anything nefarious. all we have are the victims' allegations, and Jesse's broad apology. unless you know the people involved on a personal level, or have new information that we lack, then you can't really say anything more.

alienobserver
November 16th 2017
3863 Comments


i wish this dude died instead of lil peep smh


Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


Don't get me wrong here, I'm not by any means defending Jesse. I'm just dissecting this particular instance with Nicole.

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


aiwaz go fuck yourself, honestly. you have no idea what you're talking about. you're just making yourself out to be a misogynistic dickhead, which maybe you are. do you not understand that people can have a psychological hold over others? that you don't need to be in the same room to have power over them? etc. etc. this isn't a black and white issue.

the accusations will literally do nothing but harm her because of people like you, and people who go beyond what you do. they'll dig up her history, everything she has ever posted or talked about on the internet, harass her, and on and on. victims do not gain anything from accusations. how the fuck is she gold digging? what you've said is mind numbing. i feel bad for any women you stumble into contact with

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


like we get it dude, you hate women. what you're doing can easily be seen as defending lacey no matter how many times you say you're not

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 16th 2017
5862 Comments


I haven't bothered to read specifics on this case (the extent of my knowledge was that he jacked off in front of a minor and solicited and/or sent nudes) but a flipside of the "misogynistic dickhead" comment is the misogynistic dickheads who assign girls no agency.

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
November 16th 2017
6362 Comments


I'm not aware of Nicole clawing at money at all or even demanding anything besides accountability and maybe a direct apology. A bit unfair to assume she's digging for gold. has she demanded financial retribution?

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


of course women have agency. but you could also ask why women often don't leave abusive relationships because it seems so easy right?

you have this guy who is in a famous band, likely their favorite band, and he has taken an interest in them. we don't know the extent of all of their conversations or how pressured she was or felt. it's not hard to imagine being in a situation where one is uncomfortable or know something is wrong, and we think it'd be so easy to just leave or in this case turn the computer off/end the call, until it's not.

GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
November 16th 2017
5862 Comments


It's actually pretty common in society (in the U.S. at least) to look at relationships through a male manipulator female manipulated lens that's incredibly sexist. Hence, the "lucky boy" who banged his 30 y.o. teacher and the "abused girl" who was banged by her 30 y.o. teacher.

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


"you're just making yourself out to be a misogynistic dickhead"

Because I'm stating facts about one person? I love women. Not all women are gold digging whores. But there are a lot of them and it's an epidemic. If you are going to sit there and deny that then you are delusional. Now, settle that PC analysis down and take your time to process what I've typed before lashing out.


"we think it'd be so easy to just leave or in this case turn the computer off/end the call, until it's not."

She was 22 from the statement I was referring to. Yep, it's hard times blocking someone, turning off something inappropriate or ignoring it all together as an adult.

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


LMAO

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


yeah ghost that is true as well - if i said anything that'd make you think otherwise that wasn't my intention!

and yeah Aiwaz your barely coherent ramblings about a person you don't know whose motivations you don't know, and whose experiences you don't know are certainly facts.

and yeah, it can be hard. especially if that person is the lead singer of your favorite band.

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


Might I also add if it was Alissa White-Gluz who got exposed for doing the exact same thing to a 15 year old boy, he would be getting a medal.

Aiwaz
November 16th 2017
4516 Comments


"and yeah Aiwaz your barely coherent ramblings about a person you don't know whose motivations you don't know, and whose experiences you don't know are certainly facts."

I am literally stating facts. Verbatim from her own words when I quoted what she said. If you can't understand what I've typed then you are illiterate.

robotmagician
November 16th 2017
507 Comments


yeah her being a gold digger, a whore who wanted it, is a fact, you're right. saying she should get over her experiences because it happened a long time ago is totally a fact as well?

i mean what the hell is wrong with you?



loveisamixtape
November 16th 2017
7392 Comments


you'd be surprised at what ppl will do when they are literally AFRAID of being hurt by someone or losing contact with a person they are infatuated with or having their reputation ruined by someone etc. just because she "went along" with all of those things doesn't mean she wanted to or was comfortable doing it. it's fucked from every angle tbh esp when u consider the other stories

joshieboy12345
November 16th 2017
5401 Comments


Some dude's just can't keep it in their pants. Shame coz l always thought Devil and God was an incredible record.

Digging: Polaris (AUS) - The Mortal Coil

onionbubs
November 16th 2017
6771 Comments


i still do. same with sci fi and daisy

i’m just gonna have to steal the cd copies of the latter two instead of actually buying them now bc i dont feel comfortable monetarily supporting them atm

Prettyplease
November 17th 2017
63 Comments


"Shame coz l always thought Devil and God was an incredible record.
"

And now it's not? Then there's a lot of incredible records to stop finding incredible, just saying. If all of you stopped idolizing rock stars so much, it'd be much easier to just enjoy the music and extract your own meaning from it. I consume music, the artist is merely the factory. A live show is like a guided tour.

BlacKapes
November 17th 2017
1920 Comments


https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7dhutk/jesse_lacy_scandal_megathread/

Supaduck0
November 17th 2017
177 Comments


he's kind of sick huh

North0House2
November 17th 2017
5999 Comments


Ha. Stupid Jesse

Digging: Delta Sleep - Management

North0House2
November 17th 2017
5999 Comments


Honestly though, I remember seeing something about this years ago but it never got any traction. It doesn't surprise me at all.



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