Thank God he's vaccinated at least.

Honestly I don't understand the concept of vaccination passports / cards when it doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, just reduces the symptoms when you get it.

Fuck.

Hope he'll be alright. he's not old but he aint exactly young either.

AIDS? :D

blame the sputnik news title character limit ;)

Ah, that sucks he was one of those people that caught it despite being vaccinated.

CMFT has been stopped

Serious question since I don't keep up with him or his projects anymore: Does that stand for Corey Mother Fucking Taylor? If so...

yes

oh

"Honestly I don't understand the concept of vaccination passports / cards when it doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, just reduces the symptoms when you get it"

Agreed, very stupid

so maybe the purpose is that it reduces the symptoms and prevents you from possibly dying?

TIL passports reduce viral symptoms

If it's not reducing the risk to others, but rather to yourself, the whole passport/card/etc. is meaningless.

These are the most underpowered vaccines ever lol

oh boy here we go

"If it's not reducing the risk to others, but rather to yourself, the whole passport/card/etc. is meaningless"

Exactly. The only reason I can think of is that suppressed symptoms like coughing (thanks to the vaccine), might reduce transmission. But even if that's their reason, that is incredibly weak given the data concerning asymptomatic transmission.

> These are the most underpowered vaccines ever lol

no, it's because delta has a much higher viral load than previous strains

Oh i didn't know he got the delta version

Hope he’s okay cause I’ll be depressed if they gotta cancel the Atlanta show in October. Been trying to see them for 3 years.

A couple of my friends have got it after being double jabbed with Pfizer and still had a week of being bedbound pretty much. Seems to be quite bad in the US atm, stay strong over there!

About 25% of the people I follow on IG have gotten it despite being double-vaxxed it certainly doesn't mean you can't get it.

The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus, it reduces symptoms, lowers transmissibility and GREATLY decreases the risk of hospitalization and death. It turns the virus more into the common cold or flu, which we also vaccinate against.

This vaccine has been administered to more than 100 million people, that is more than any clinical trial for any prescription drug that anyone in this forum is taking.

Please get vaccinated.

Positive for being a washed up clown

@TheGeneralSurgeon

^ Was this profile created explicitly for the purpose of pushing pro-vaccine posts? Lmfao

lmfaooo seriously

My knowledge on vaccines and viruses is nill, but my readings constantly return to what @TheGeneralSurgeon just said

Better than creating an account solely for the purpose of being a antivaxx conservative who then gets covid and dies while still complaining about “muh freedoms”

I've seen mixed stuff on whether it lowers transmission.

"antivaxx conservative"

Might wanna check the ethnic breakdown of the unvaccinated

As if ethnicity doesnt cross political lines but nice try

Point stands, but you already knew that.

australia is on some real dystopian shit rn, fining/charging people just for going for a drive in their car and shit

Funny cause I live in a very blue area and my life is basically unchanged from pre-pandemic right now with the exception that I have no traffic driving to and from work.

@Colton that's fucked up.

Can we make a news story for every musician that tests poz?

Does Hilary Duff count as a "musician"? I'm gonna make the article.

"Better than creating an account solely for the purpose of being a antivaxx conservative who then gets covid and dies while still complaining about “muh freedoms”"

i love how you can have hep B, tetatnus etc vaccination but if you're skeptic against the all mighty covid vaccine that's not even really a vaccine then youre a Qanon loving MAGA antivaxer lmfao

"australia is on some real dystopian shit rn"

always has been. come on holiday to a desolate wasteland disconnected from the rest of the world, featuring such experiences as getting deported or dying in the desert. if you're lucky you can even get mauled by a koala. oh and the internet is shit

"As if ethnicity doesnt cross political lines but nice try"

It barely does if you look at voting patterns. Even supposed conservative "Trad"-Cath Mexicans overwhelmingly vote dem. The only POC ethnic group that doesn't are Cubans.

This site is as busted as it has been since 06.

Didn't know fish hated Australia so much lol

testing requirements make cross border travel an expensive PITA. was so naive thinking the vax would in any way spell the end of it.

"Didn't know fish hated Australia so much lol"

something about it just triggers me man

Bold take for a Frenchman.

"i love how you can have hep B, tetatnus etc vaccination but if you're skeptic against the all mighty covid vaccine that's not even really a vaccine then youre a Qanon loving MAGA antivaxer lmfao" listen to the people who'll straight up tell ya that it'd be worse catching COVID without the vacc lol

france is great man. good food, decent weather, beaches, mountains, countryside, quaint cities, sexy women. you name it it's here, other than killer koala bears ofc

I would def win in a fight with either a Koala or a Kangaroo.

I'm not even anti-lockdown in terms of preventing large crowds and what not, I can understand both perspectives on that. But this police chief guy is doing a press conference talking about charging people for going for a drive and saying "if you're gonna behave like that, there will be consequences" just seems insane to me. That's the type of shit that actually justifies protests imo

one of the effects of covid is that travel between my two parent countries ie UK and france is an exorbitant nightmare now and no one can give a straight justification for it other than "tis the right thing/but what about X variant". like, I'm all for the vaccine but if you expect people to unite behind you you can't change the rationale every time it suits you

idk I feel like based on how this transmits if you're gonna get it you're gonna get it, vaccines, masks, whatever it doesn't matter. As such, if you're vulnerable take all the precautions you can and be as secluded as you want. Others shouldn't have to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_attacks_in_Australia

that is pretty much my stance at this point. like come on it's been nearly 2 years and it feels like nothing has developed. they're already talking about booster shots cos they realised the vax only maintains effect for like 6 months. most countries haven't even got their 1st shots

"There are two known deaths from a magpie attack"

dude

FDA is giving Pfizer full approval behind closed doors without releasing any info or data of any kind to the public lol. Vaccine mandates incoming

If a fuckin bird killed you, your day was soon coming one way or another.

cassowaries can fucking lacerate you from the abdomen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotWv4MCxNI&ab_channel=Oleksiy

That nigga was bookin

Holy shit there are fat ostriches that weigh 300+ lbs. lmfao

Only Sputnikmusic can have a thread that began with the effectiveness of Covid vaccines suddenly turned into addressing murderous animals in Australia.

The vaccine debate has been done to death. Murderous animals are much cooler

Fair enough.

"Only Sputnikmusic can have a thread that began with the effectiveness of Covid vaccines suddenly turned into addressing murderous animals in Australia."

exactly what i was just thinking lmfao

I really cannot fathom being so stupid that you don’t think this vaccine is helpful. Literally 99% of ALL hospitalizations and deaths in the US are from non-vaccinated people. That seems to go with the facts doctors stated: the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus entirely, but it does lower your chances of hospitalization and death.

Jfc, get vaccinated.

CMFT proves masks don't work. More at eleven.

getting stabbed is bad

therefore vaccine is bad

At this point all I truly know is this thing has turned into everybody's worst fears of it because mankind is incapable of uniting behind a common cause for the greater good of all. If you got a decent noodle protect yourself if not go live your best life I guess.

If you're under 50, the data shows that the vaccine does not improve outcomes with this disease, which it was already pretty rare to result in a fatality anyway. Maybe it lowers your chance of getting symptoms? Who even knows right now with so many data coming in showing that plenty of vaccinated people are showing up to hospitals. And now the "experts" are saying that the vaccines are waning in effectiveness in a hurry with talks of booster shots now for Pfizer guinea pigs every 6 months. LOL

bro

"If you're under 50, the data shows that the vaccine does not improve outcomes with this disease"

that's patently false. link this "data"

i think hes just afraid of needles tbh

thats what im just gonna accuse every antivaccine person i come across from now on

I'm more tired of this virus than I am of the Fast'n'Furious franchise.

And God knows I am tired of the fast'n'furious movies.

data came from a q drop

@watchitexplode nah man. the goodwill was there a year ago. it's been frittered away by moronic governance, overzealous fearmongering and a constant flip flopping that has wrecked some people's lives, suppressed others', while the rest assert from their comfy lounge there is no issue at all and any reservations are just narcissism. obviously under those conditions you aren't gonna get unity. nor are you gonna get unity when Western governments are more worried about pumping their electorate with 3rd doses than making sure the rest of the world actually get some

"If you're under 50, the data shows that the vaccine does not improve outcomes with this disease,"

yeah source pls

he's not gonna provide a source

give him a chance. maybe he has a source and his 29th comment will be its reveal

so many data

Source is deez nuts.

the one thing anti-vaxxers can sort of latch onto now is that the vaccines aren't as effective at preventing transmission as we originally thought. but they're still really good at preventing illness and death

"sort of latch onto now is that the vaccines aren't as effective at preventing transmission"

In fairness neither the vax nor masks seem to do much of anything in that regard.

masks actually do work, there's a solid amount of data on them and data on masks for preventing other illnesses. it's just that some data shows the difference they make isn't as dramatic as some people think. it's also just common sense given how the virus spreads. if it's mainly spread through the nose and mouth then covering the nose and mouth will help

it's also just some soft baby shit to not be willing to wear a little piece of cloth over your face. I'd imagine you'd have to have a complete absence of real problems in your life to take serious issue with that

Fish - there was never going to be enough goodwill to get us there. We are not an altruistic species. If this was the 1950s and we at least still had faith in leadership we might have come closer. And we've donated far more vaccine to the rest of the world than any other nation. I understand the booster deal since we have mountains of vaccine going bad in warehouses throughout the country. Of course many experts believe that the disparity between the under and over vaxxed Will lead to the emergence of new variants, so... Western civilization circling the drain basically.

SLIP covid he did NOT

but vaccinated people can still result in new variants emerging if they're still capable of transmitting the virus which they are. especially when vaccinated people are the only ones who are allowed to gather in large numbers in a lot of places

And yeah if masks don't work why did the people like my wife who spent the last 18 months taking care of covid people every fucking day not get the virus in proportions similar to the rest of the commoners?

any time the virus spreads from one person to another it can result in a mutation

maybe my hearing is just shit but I didn't realise how much I relied on lip reading til masks became commonplace and suddenly I could barely understand anyone

or maybe the voices get muffled by the masks and it's harder to understand what anybody's actually saying

Try working with the elderly to get them additional assistance in their homes or placement in assisted living facilities while wearing masks. My normal speaking voice is like 80 decibels now.

Ppl can't even wear them properly and re use the same snotty one they've stuffed in their pocket for 3 weeks. It's gross and frankly I'm unconvinced in those conditions it has much effect

"or maybe the voices get muffled by the masks and it's harder to understand what anybody's actually saying"

Bit of both probably. I used to work in a coffee shop and with the general noise on top I couldn't understand anything half the time. Spend 5 minutes trying to get through an order while the queue builds up and then they get taken off when they sit down anyway

“Try working with the elderly to get them additional assistance in their homes or placement in assisted living facilities while wearing masks. My normal speaking voice is like 80 decibels now.”

yeah i work with the elderly and it’s a struggle

"And yeah if masks don't work why did the people like my wife who spent the last 18 months taking care of covid people every fucking day not get the virus in proportions similar to the rest of the commoners?"

So? I know plenty of people who always wear masks (some of them double up) and they got it and I know people who never mask and haven't. Looking at state by state stuff there seems to be zero correlation.

This isn't even that controversial Fauci himself in private emails said they don't do much besides placebo.

“So? I know plenty of people who always wear masks (some of them double up) and they got it and I know people who never mask and haven't.”

i know you’re not this dumb that you actually present that as evidence

It was in response to his own anecdote you moron.

yeah but your anecdote was worse

Colton the only thing you've ever done right is type fast and accurately.

Time for a hard reset on humanity. Wiring's gone bad.

yes the stuff I type is accurate and the stuff you type is stupid

Yeah we need to reset to the time of world wars or perhaps the time of the crusades or perhaps tribalistic sacrifice.

> Not true at all, the vast majority of hospitalizations have had at least one dose.

You aren't fully vaccinated until 3-4 weeks after your final dose. IIRC a single dose of Moderna dropped the efficacy down to like 70% against the original strain, and Pfizer dropped even further to something like 60%.

> Same in the four most vaccinated countries worldwide. Deaths are different, but don't lie in here saying hospitalizations are of non-vaccinated when every stat out there proves you wrong.

Patently false. Vaccine efficacy w/r/t hospitalizations in New York shows that the ~34.5% of their population that is unvaccinated is responsible for 78% of their hospitalizations: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm#T1_down

US is seeing nearly 12,000 hospitalizations per day, the majority of which are aged 50+: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

There have only been 7,608 fully vaccinated hospitalizations in the US, over which 74% were 65 or older (who are more likely to be hospitalized, especially if they have co-morbidities). 25% were also asymptomatic and only picked up in a routine test (IE, the patient was not hospitalized because of COVID): https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

> If you're under 50, the data shows that the vaccine does not improve outcomes with this disease, which it was already pretty rare to result in a fatality anyway. Maybe it lowers your chance of getting symptoms?

It does improve outcomes and does reduce symptoms. Even if your risk was low, it's still an objective improvement.

Comment too long, lol

> In fairness neither the vax nor masks seem to do much of anything in that regard.

Both do. Mask usage is responsible for basically wiping out the flu in the US during 2020: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

The problem right now is that the original strain of COVID was over twice as infectious as the flu (R0 of 3 vs R0 of ~1.3, respectively. The delta strain is over twice as infectious as the original strain (current estimated R0 of 7): https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox

> Might wanna check the ethnic breakdown of the unvaccinated

Break it down by age and political affiliation for a real shock, or lack thereof (hint: it's mostly middle-aged, white conservatives): https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-dashboard/

> but vaccinated people can still result in new variants emerging if they're still capable of transmitting the virus which they are. especially when vaccinated people are the only ones who are allowed to gather in large numbers in a lot of places

The vaccine helps prevent replication. Replication drives mutation. IE, being vaccinated makes it less likely that you'll contribute to further varients. Doesn't completely stop, but does contribute to a reduction.

ok bill nye

That's cute how you said masks help just not against the thing I said masks don't help against.

And no, your link didn't prove it's "mostly white conservatives." They polled 330 people who identified as conservative and 475 people who identified as Democrat in a nation of 330 million people. Try harder.

just take the L man

The only reqson people dont get the vaccine is because it gives them a false sense of agency against the big bad government theyve been groomed to hate by pseudo conservative intellectuals/ fox news, oh and the demographics for antivaxx since someone asked about it is : obese, stupid, and sexually interested in their cousins

and from the south

"I would def win in a fight with either a Koala or a Kangaroo."

LMAO I would pay good money to watch you get shitmixed by a roo.

New York, Florida, and California all have the same vaccination rate of those who have received one dose.

Consider that it's more complex than you think.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker

alabamian here, literally 2 ICU beds left in the whole state and there is an enormous trump rally happening an hour north of me in a once sundown town

is there anybody itt that is actually against the idea of getting a vaccine

I am indifferent about getting it for anybody who is under 40 with no complicating factors (obesity, etc.).

I think it's stupid for children to get it when they don't need it and vulnerable populations do.

My mom is 60 and normal weight she's not going to die lol

I assume she already had it tbh

My brother, his wife, and her whole side of the family got it at a wedding last summer and they were all asymptomatic

“The vaccine helps prevent replication. Replication drives mutation. IE, being vaccinated makes it less likely that you'll contribute to further varients. Doesn't completely stop, but does contribute to a reduction.”

for sure it helps. But here’s the thing about that: if vaccine mandates are becoming more and more common, that means the majority of large gatherings of people will be gatherings of vaccinated people. Like concerts, restaurants, etc. With that being the case, will we not reach a point where vaccinated people are spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated? Sure the vaccine reduces transmission, but if vaccinated people are forming larger groups, will it not balance out that reduction in transmission, if not render it irrelevant? this is what I don’t see anyone addressing

couple that with the fact that vaccinated people are more likely to be asymptomatic, so they are less likely to stay home if they have covid cause they won’t even know they have it

i’d say over half of the breakthrough case people i know irl said they had mild symptoms

Just against idea of taking an experimental vaccine with a terrible track record according to VAERS. The bigger problem is not the virus; rather it's corporations and governments collaborating in pushing vaccine mandates for population control and profits with total disregard for efficacy and safety. Remember when terrorism was the big thing after 9/11 and everyone lapped up whatever the fuck GW was hootin and hollerin along with the rest of his neocon cronies? Remember how through panic they passed legislation like the patriot act and expanded unconstitutional surveillance security apparatuses? Well here we are reliving the same motions towards totalitarianism.

For real, pull your heads out your fucking asses if you havent caught on yet. Look whats happening to Australia, France, NYC, etc. Its not okay and I would much rather risk dying from something with a 99.8% of killing me than having my life regimented and controlled by corporations and corporate prostitutes, namely politicians. Boy is that quackin crazy or what!

any of you scared of this, remember you are going to die some day. if you really care that much about your life then exercise, eat well and develop a healthier state of mind. turns out healthy people are far less likely to die than immunocompromised, obese patients and elederly. wow magical isnt it. but sure inject however many vaccines and boosters into your blood stream and see how that works out for you.

banished to the copypasta realm

go back to plebbit

this thread again

Allowing comments on news articles was a mistske

Holy fuck, what happened here.

Macron can suck a dick agreed

At least the rules are actually consistent and encourage vaccination though, unlike UK where vax status is irrelevant and you have to pay hundreds in testing just to enter the country over the fear of a non existent variant which is supposedly worse than Delta

"non existent variant which is supposedly worse than Delta"

It's not non existent. There have already been confirmed cases of Covid Lambda.

Funny cos two weeks ago UK was panicking over French beta while France was still panicking over UK delta. Also seems Lambda has already been detected in UK. Convince me it isn't a circus

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/lambda-and-b-1-621-new-covid-variants-could-be-worst-yet-doctor-warns/

Funny enough that fish and I would be the closest on this.

congratulations you are both irreparably fucking stupid

Clowns to the left of me, clowns to the right.

"This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws."

Nice source

Go back to kotaku in action

I was going to comment something mean or rude about Corey. Like he tested positive for being an outspoken dickhead or but what does He think though??.

But getting covid sucks and I wish him and all his crew on tour with him the best and a speedy recovery.

"I was going to comment something mean or rude about Corey. Like he tested positive for being an outspoken dickhead or but what does He think though??."

Do people not like Corey or something?

But yeah, as someone who currently has Covid Delta right now, I can say it's a bitch and I'm fucking 26 yrs old with a bitchin immune system. I can't imagine what this dude is going through.

I also have it (well technically waiting on test results, but lost taste and smell) and it hasn't been bad at all for me. Had like a 99° fever for a day or two and a stuffed up nose still. Seems to be pretty inconsistent with how it hits you.

The loss of smell could be dangerous though as we are like a mile away from an evacuation warning for a wildfire 😬

I don't particularly like him and think and his projects are overrated.

Man thats shit, best of luck to you. Here in Aus we have delta exploding at the seams and even spread it to New Zealand because of shit government action. Good luck Caliggyjack wish you the best

Who is g40st anyway

"Man thats shit, best of luck to you. Here in Aus we have delta exploding at the seams and even spread it to New Zealand because of shit government action. Good luck Caliggyjack wish you the best"

Oh I'm on the mend no worries. My smell is about 87% back, and I am feeling 95% better aside from the occasional cough.

Glad to hear

"Here in Aus we have delta exploding at the seams and even spread it to New Zealand because of shit government action"

Nah come on you guys are obsessed. Government enflamed such obsession even they don't meet the benchmark of the popular zeitgeist. You have 3 deaths a day, closed borders and lockdown. What more do you want?

“ Honestly I don't understand the concept of vaccination passports / cards when it doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, just reduces the symptoms when you get it.”

Read that again but slower, you’ve answered your own question.

No he didn't. He just ignored that it does reduce transmission

"Nah come on you guys are obsessed. Government enflamed such obsession even they don't meet the benchmark of the popular zeitgeist. You have 3 deaths a day, closed borders and lockdown. What more do you want?"



The lockdown in NSW is shit, we are currently dealing with mass misinformation and mass protests over these lockdowns. Mass protests create more chances of exposure. We are not "obsessed" we are looking at a public health emergency being handled by a fuckwit government agencies that also are the same governments that sat and watched half the country go up in flames and billions of animals to burn alive

There are over 30 000 Australians stranded overseas who cant come home, yet we have celebrities flying in and out. We are being screamed at to get vaccinations. When the conditions of being vaccinated arent clear or being changed all the while not having enough vaccinations. I think its fair to say that there is a right to be pissed off or concerned especially when you hsve immuno compromised family.

are we gonna get news articles and massive controversy stricken threads every time some celeb gets covid now?

Jesus that sucks.

I'm not okay wit lockdowns, but I wish my Government would fucking implement a mask mandate for fucks sake. I'm in Florida and shit's hit the fan.

I hope not, sorry for my rant peoples

sry to hear you're australian bud

Cancel white english speakers

Nuke australia

I’m waiting for the ok from a guy on the joe rogan podcast before I get vaccinated. Any minute now...

Corey taylor should kept his fuckin mask on

@Colton

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf


Report #21 (data through 15th of August) from England

Death rate as percentage of total "emergency care" cases:

Of those less than 50 and fully vaccinated, 40,544 received emergency care and 27 died, or 0.06659%.

Of those less than 50 and unvaccinated, 178,240 received emergency care and 72 died, or 0.04039%.

Of those greater than 50 and fully vaccinated, 32,828 received emergency care and 652 died, or 1.98611%.

Of those greater than 50 and unvaccinated, 4,891 received emergency care and 318 died, or 6.50174%.

The only thing that matters in that post is that a total of 27 vaccinated died under 50 and 72 unvaccinated. That's like getting crushed by falling debris.

I didn't realize how many fucking idiots there were on this site.
If you don't trust the CDC, White House, and the WHO, then talk to nurses and physicians who have been overwhelmed with death over the last year and a half, and let them make their cases for why you should be vaccinating and masking.
Skepticism must have legitimate limits, and without them, then you're doomed to fall into a nihilistic universality and Randian objectivism, which is wholly dangerous within the context of a pandemic that demands collective action in order to move beyond the chaos of the present. Do whatever you want I guess, but if you choose not to mask at the bare minimum and get infected, keep in mind that you're putting everyone around you at risk, thus putting an even larger percentage of people at risk through community spread.

I'm ngl, someone who did a masters program in philosophy calling other people fucking idiots is too good to be true.

The nurses making tiktoks? How about instead we just tell people not to be fat fucks?

"I'm ngl, someone who did a masters program in philosophy calling other people fucking idiots is too good to be true."

You got me there!

I'm not letting anyone off the hook tonight.

"Skepticism must have legitimate limits, and without them, then you're doomed to fall into a nihilistic universality and Randian objectivism, which is wholly dangerous within the context of a pandemic that demands collective action in order to move beyond the chaos of the present."

Problem is that is not even remotely Randian Objectivism. Self-interest, self-preservation, and individualism is the key to Objectivism.

A true Randian Objectivist would absolutely stay home, wear a mask, and get the vaccine as doing so promotes their own self-preservation and self-interest. Doing these things prevents governments from overreaching, as they have no reason to interfere in their affairs, thereby preventing the authoritarianism that Objectivists loathe. Going around into collective protests and spreading the disease to each other, encouraging the government to take drastic authoritarian action, and denying science as it goes against religious or political beliefs LITERALLY go against Rand's own fucking words, as she was strickly against mob rule, dogmatic thinking, and spiritual belief in general. All things these anti-vaxxers are.

Colton had a fair argument concerning the obvious issues with vaccination passports. Particularly in regards to asymptomatic carriers being allowed to gather in concert crowds and the mass transmission that would occur. I think the proposed beneficial outcome for vaccination passports must be to prevent deaths from covid infection, whilst increasing covid transmission, and throwing an economic lifeline to come dying industries (i.e. live music). I don't really know what to think of that outcome

Hollywood has to be seething rn (right now) with how reluctant the populace has been to return to movie theaters.

Objectivism is self-defeating. It's founded on nothing more than an illusory utopianism which rests on the notion of there being a collective that is rational and responsible enough to make such existential choices for themselves, and in practice, it's destined to follow and instill the conditions and collective mindset that we see now: a hysterical neoliberalism that turns the Enlightenment on its head, in its very name, true to its own spirit. Its appeal is understandable if you're a child or angsty teen mired in a mindless contrarianism, but the adults who accept and spread the gospel of Rand are little more than empty suits with soiled diapers, ironically assuming their conception of what constitutes rationality and responsibility from conspiracy theorists and fascists. If you lived in West Virginia, maybe you'd empathize with why my patience with those who regurgitate this kind of rhetoric has been totally exhausted, given that no one here gives a fuck about anything other than themselves, and their ability to go to church. Everything has been completely back to normal outside of physicians' offices and hospitals since last summer, apart from occasional mask mandates that hardly anyone follows unless they're strictly enforced.

I agree with the point on passports to an extent. Ideally, I'd put an end to any large gathering being permitted at least until the ongoing Delta wave has blown over and until vaccination rates are higher, and see that the state provides all artists with financial relief until its safe again. It's fucked to blame the artists though (not saying that anyone here has); they're just trying to make a living after all.

>generic cold symptoms
>phlegmy cough for a few days
>decreased sense of smell for a few weeks
>can't run as far before needing to catch breath for a few weeks
>shutting down society and demanding everyone get injected with experimental drugs for this

"which is wholly dangerous within the context of a pandemic that demands collective action in order to move beyond the chaos of the present."

What a silly pipe dream this is. You're never going to get this even on a small to medium scale, let alone a global scale.

Also this pandemic isn't even that deadly relative to humanities once-in-a-century pandemics. People like you are so gripped by the fear porn that you've really lost perspective.

>makes people sign waiver prior to vaccination removing liability in case of rare blood clotting death from said experimental drugs, whilst pushing the vaccine every day on the news because catching covid and dying is more common than said vaccine death rates.

I had my astra jab and now have 40 days of waiting to see if I die from a blood clot yeah cool thanks government, you really showed your true colours here you useless pricks

astra is like c-tier you couldn't spring for the pfizer or moderna you pleb

As a 30 year old man I was not eligible for anything other than astra in NSW, Australia. Yet every person over the age of 18 in a few other aussie states are elligible for Pfizer

I'm joking it's probably fine

I'm not impressed with what was on offer, but I did it because i visit my parents a bit and didn't want to kill them via accidental transmission

"CMFT has been stopped"

This is the only comment this article warranted.

Thnx for the levity pots haha. Im off to go smoke my heart out because potentially this is my last month alive

I never claimed anything related to how possible or impossible it was to solve or address; nor did I make any claim that suggests that Covid is on equal footing to other pandemics of the past. In fact, I'd argue that it is absolutely impossible to effectively address unless the state takes dramatic actions in a manner that it hasn't yet done, which is unlikely, given that there's very little political will for it among the electorates of the western world. The Chinese and Vietnamese responses have been the most effective in curbing outbreaks since the explosion of the pandemic, outside of perhaps New Zealand (as far as liberal democracies go), which has geography working in its favor. Obviously China failed in the respect of not going far enough before it was able to travel outside of the country, so I still wouldn't defend their example on that merit alone (along with mass corruption and unreliable information due to the media environment).
The fact is, that we're probably going to be living with Covid from now on, which means routine boosters, and periodic mandates (ideally to prevent situations like what we have now), unless we're willing to condone comprehensive state and international action with the universal use of force, which clearly isn't going to manifest. You can tell yourself that Covid is on the same footing as the flu or a cold if you want to and if it makes you sleep better (I get that btw), but the facts stand for themselves.

Corkon making good observations/points in this thread.

If you wanna get super dark you could debate whether those susceptible to extreme covid responses / death (the super elderly, immunocompromised, morbidly obese) dying off would effectively strengthen global society but there's a Louis C.K. joke in there somewhere.

Also fuck Hollywood they’ve made enough movies we can watch without ever getting a new one again.

I wouldn't dare to go in that direction, considering my shitty asthma lungs. lol

Yeah I don’t wanna be eliminated for my asthma 😭

yea I'd love if my family and relatives with health conditions died of covid. it would make the world stronger and cooler!

😒😒😒

Biologically stronger objectively yes cooler not so much.

You healthy people would be depressed and mentally unhealthy.

> morbidly obese

Waaaahhhhh I sit on my ass and eat garbage all day, shut down the planet so I can die of a heart attack instead of a severe cold.

Also I wonder what portion of deaths, especially among older people, are smokers (dudeweed included). Seems relevant considering how COVID goes after the lungs. Smokers don't deserve societal accommodations either.

You literally gave st anger a 3.5 you definitely have some kind of medical condition yourself.

SHOOT ME AGAIN, I AIN'T DEEEEAD YET

Something tells me that you'd be an incredibly kind and fun person to be around. I bet you probably get laid every day with that personality and worldview, no?

Jesus slaves has been here since 2009 lmao

Invisible Kid is a banger tbqh

Lars smacking that trash can

"Corkon making good observations/points in this thread."

this is all I've ever wanted to hear you say

Lol

Colton your mother doesn't love you.

your midget* mother

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"Honestly I don't understand the concept of vaccination passports / cards when it doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus, just reduces the symptoms when you get it."

Where did you get the idea that it doesnt help prevent the spread, a facebook meme?

Nah, all the studies that have been done and countless examples from real life showing that vaxxed people spread it.

You guys are still at it huh? I ran out of steam like 8 hours ago

The lockdown in NSW is shit, we are currently dealing with mass misinformation and mass protests over these lockdowns. Mass protests create more chances of exposure. We are not "obsessed" we are looking at a public health emergency being handled by a fuckwit government agencies that also are the same governments that sat and watched half the country go up in flames and billions of animals to burn alive

There are over 30 000 Australians stranded overseas who cant come home, yet we have celebrities flying in and out. We are being screamed at to get vaccinations. When the conditions of being vaccinated arent clear or being changed all the while not having enough vaccinations. I think its fair to say that there is a right to be pissed off or concerned especially when you hsve immuno compromised family.

I'm ngl, someone who did a masters program in philosophy calling other people fucking idiots is too good to be true.

if you choose not to mask at the bare minimum and get infected, keep in mind that you're putting everyone around you at risk, thus putting an even larger percentage of people at risk through community spread

Nah, all the studies that have been done and countless examples from real life showing that vaxxed people spread it.

huh it's almost like the government doesn't actually want what's best for you, huh but maybe I'm just INSANE CONSPIRACY GUY.

"If you lived in West Virginia, maybe you'd empathize with why my patience with those who regurgitate this kind of rhetoric has been totally exhausted, given that no one here gives a fuck about anything other than themselves, and their ability to go to church."

Again, if they are religious, they cannot be Objectivists.

And I don't give a fuck how exhausted you're fucking patience is. Stupid people are stupid, but nothing you have described here even remotely counts as Objectivism. All I've seen here is you bitching and moaning about Right ideology in general, and if you wanna act like a bitter whiny Liberal fine, but don't drag an ideology through the mud so you can sound intelligent and just come out and say you hate the Right. Own it.

Gonna be immortalized in the 'Most Viewed News' section soon.

"Nah, all the studies that have been done and countless examples from real life showing that vaxxed people spread it."

Lol why are anti-vaxxers only able to think in absolutes? "Either it prevents the spread 100% or it doesnt prevent it at all!"

it doesn’t do much to prevent it if vaccinated people are forming huge groups at concerts and events and freely going to restaurants and public places. The vaccine helps reduce transmission. But if you’re vaccinated and going to large gatherings with large crowds you can’t act like unvaccinated people are solely responsible for the pandemic continuing to be a thing. The vaccinated could easily be having just as much of an effect

but unvaccinated people are the reason hospitals are overwhelmed, so that’s the main argument people should be making for vaccination, from a “do the right thing” standpoint anyway

btw how did you guys feel after your second shot i’m trying to decide if I should book off work

i called out for two days. most wiped out i’ve felt. wasn’t like, insanely awful tho

what unholy spawn has my article birthed guys i was just messing with the news system


if you guys dont believe in vaccines thats neat fam just stay the fuck out of public and dont spread your germs to me

When i got the Johnson i felt like shit the next day and then it was over, but i got it on a friday so i didnt need to call in. i definitely would have though.

Johnson? So you just infected yourself with cancer... I got Moderna so I'm good.

Yeah, im gonna die.

i'm just wary cuz this is the same company that had cancerous baby powder

"btw how did you guys feel after your second shot i’m trying to decide if I should book off work"
Just very fatigued the whole day, nothing too serious. I had the Moderna shot tho. A lot of people I know got the pfiezer one and that shit had them slumped and in shambles.

I woke up at night with a fever after my second Pfizer shot. Took some paracetamol, fell asleep again and woke up fine but a bit tired

for me:

first jab - 1 night of mild arm pain

2nd jab - 2 nights of mild arm pain


dunno how i pulled through tbh.

@venin Something like that could happen with any product. The vaccines have been rigorously tested and have been actively monitored and regulated, and standards for a vaccine are extremely high, so im not worried. I would probably get one of the other two next time though just because they showed a higher efficacy rate.

"Again, if they are religious, they cannot be Objectivists."

Just like true Marxists couldn't possibly support the actions of Stalin and Mao because they're not accurate reflections of Marxist philosophy, right? You seem to be more interested in avoiding the point of my initial comment. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, most people who buy into Randian ideas in the US and Canada are fascists masquerading under the guise of either conservatism or libertarianism, with some being atheists, but most being Evangelicals.


I felt a bit sick after my second shot, and ran a fever for about 24 hours. It definitely wasn't as bad as flus or some colds that I've caught in the past though.

@Colton second is easily worse, had a pretty awful fever and chills for about 12 hours but got over it remarkably quick

You all need to go read some Noam Chomsky.

"Whether you're willing to admit it or not, most people who buy into Randian ideas in the US and Canada are fascists masquerading under the guise of either conservatism or libertarianism, with some being atheists, but most being Evangelicals."

You're full of shit but honestly at this point your stuck in your ways so debating this any further is pointless.

'You all need to go read some Noam Chomsky.'

Pffft who needs Chomsky when there's Facebook feeds.

eeww Chomsky

the most irritating of Lefty philosophers

the most irritating of Lefty philosophers

I could say the same about you.

Owned

owned and publicly redistributed

Im sorry, but I dont mess around when it comes to noam chomsky.

choam nomsky

Noam Chomsky doesn't mess around either, that's why he's 90 something years old.

You will spell his name correctly godammnit.

> but unvaccinated people are the reason hospitals are overwhelmed

fat people, smokers, and drama queens who think chills and a cough are a valid reason to go the emergency room are the reason hospitals are overwhelmed

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Cool, Jesuslaves crawled out from the woodwork to reinforce how little most of us care about our fellow man.

"fat people, smokers, and drama queens who think chills and a cough are a valid reason to go the emergency room are the reason hospitals are overwhelmed"

And yet another dipshit has arrived.

Sounds like typical libertarian bs

> YOU WILL shut down your life, shelter in place, and be injected with experimental drugs on a recurring basis so that lazy people who habitually and willingly make the worst health choices imaginable and treat their bodies like toilets can spend a few more years wheezing on the couch and fucking up everyone else's health insurance premiums. You do care about your fellow man, right?

No youtube results for "slayer hardening of the arteries tuba remix"

"fat people, smokers, and drama queens who think chills and a cough are a valid reason to go the emergency room are the reason hospitals are overwhelmed [as opposed to unvaccinated people]"

a. the existence of none those groups of people negates the fact that unvaccinated people comprise the majority of hospitalizations, and the great majority of easily-preventable hospitalizations

b. people with "chills and a cough" might go to the emergency room, but a far more pressing issue than e.r. availability is intensive care availability, and those people don't clog the intensive care units, although going to any hospital without a good reason is a needless chance to contract and/or spread covid, so it is not recommended

c. if you have "chills and a cough", you might wanna get tested, before you might spread the virus to a loved one close to you!

hope this helps iron out some points being made itt

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as for the people conversing about each's experiences with the vaccine's side effects: personally I got a little bit of pain with each shot (Chinese vaccine), but other than that, nothing else tbh. I was honestly expecting more, especially considering I do suffer from some allergies (mild ones), but it was actually less painful than the influenza vaccines I've gotten, for example. One complaint I do have is that the 5G from the microchip has yet to take effect, despite it being a while since I got both shots. So, my zoom meetings are still not in 4k, but eh, I'll wait.

Drinking water does help with the annoying symptoms in the area of vaccination, and remember: the second shot usually carries a higher chance of symptoms!

One of the funniest parts of vax discussions is anti Vaxxers quoting how it’s stupid the government is trying to make you get it because the odds of dying from it for me are so small, and yet they are terrified of a vax that’s been given to millions of people mostly without issue and they’re worried about blood clots and shit that’s just as likely as dying from covid. Wut

i wonder how we defeated polio

"they’re worried about blood clots and shit that’s just as likely as dying from covid."

It's actually much LESS likely which makes it all the more stupid.

I would be okay with death penalty for COVID deniers. Would feel bad about doing that to people who don’t wear masks because they got vaccinated but how selfish can you be to think it’s okay to not wear a mask now. Fines and arrests with low bail for that. Prison is a good option for people who want to have their kid unmasked at school.

People forget vaccines have always been legally enforced our whole lives. People don’t understand the FDA approves unhealthy bullshit. People who actively talk about vaccines killing more than COVID don’t even do any research. These people must have severely impaired brains.

"just as likely as dying from covid."

Much, much less likely, actually.

Edit: oh, sitar already pointed that out.

"Prison is a good option for people who want to have their kid unmasked at school."

Imagine thinking masking children at schools is a good idea and won't cause psychological damage for them growing up

hi threa- bye thread!

"Imagine thinking masking children at schools is a good idea and won't cause psychological damage for them growing up"

This is a joke, right?

my coworker texted me and asked if I could cover her shifts on the 26th and 27th. I said sorry but I’m getting my second shot on the 25th and I don’t wanna work right after that cause I don’t know how I’ll feel. she responded “ahahahahaha bet I worked the same day I got mine both and I mowed lawns for 8 hours.” I said “nice I’m sure you’ll also feel fine on the 26th and 27th then” and she responded “wow”

Covid = shit

masking doesn't cause psychological damage to children but i have seen some studies that hint at a possibility of stunting some social growth, unfortunately

i don't want kids to have a covering over their face for the entirety of their academic career but I'd rather see less people die

"Imagine thinking masking children at schools is a good idea and won't cause psychological damage for them growing up"
Lmfaooooo

all the kids I know use facetime for like 5 hours a day anyway

haha true anyway, phones are far more guilty of stunting interpersonal interaction than masks ever were

in some ways maybe, but it’s also a blessing that they have phones in the covid era otherwise they would be truly isolated

yea that's a rare silver lining to it all

"Imagine thinking masking children at schools is a good idea and won't cause psychological damage for them growing up"

This is a joke, right?"

no, but you are

i know you are but what am i

Well that fell flat.

You are Corkon

"i know you are but what am i"

good mogwai song

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Oh shit! That, is a red one!

@Deathconscious and Sitar

I'm aware but I was throwing a bone by insinuating they both are low because I didn't know specific statistical rates.

But thank you for looking out!

This is an absolutely ridiculous thread. Social media likes to hide it, but the vaccine simply lessens your symptoms and makes more sense the older you get. It does NOTHING to prevent you from getting or spreading the virus! Anyone telling you otherwise is an idiot. Every individual should assess for themselves based on their age and medical history if it's right for them. You are not putting anyone in danger if you are unvaccinated except potentially yourself, as your symptoms will probably be worse. It's that simple.

Wrong dipshit. It doesnt prevent the spread 100%, but it does make it less likely.

"Just against idea of taking an experimental vaccine with a terrible track record according to VAERS. The bigger problem is not the virus; rather it's corporations and governments collaborating in pushing vaccine mandates for population control and profits with total disregard for efficacy and safety. Remember when terrorism was the big thing after 9/11 and everyone lapped up whatever the fuck GW was hootin and hollerin along with the rest of his neocon cronies? Remember how through panic they passed legislation like the patriot act and expanded unconstitutional surveillance security apparatuses? Well here we are reliving the same motions towards totalitarianism.

For real, pull your heads out your fucking asses if you havent caught on yet. Look whats happening to Australia, France, NYC, etc. Its not okay and I would much rather risk dying from something with a 99.8% of killing me than having my life regimented and controlled by corporations and corporate prostitutes, namely politicians. Boy is that quackin crazy or what!

any of you scared of this, remember you are going to die some day. if you really care that much about your life then exercise, eat well and develop a healthier state of mind. turns out healthy people are far less likely to die than immunocompromised, obese patients and elederly. wow magical isnt it. but sure inject however many vaccines and boosters into your blood stream and see how that works out for you."

Agree 100% with this! ^

Hes an idiot too, makes sense that you agree.

"Wrong dipshit. It doesnt prevent the spread 100%, but it does make it less likely."

That's your opinion. The majority of new cases are among the vaccinated. If the vaccinated were spreading it less, then it should be mostly the unvaxxed giving it to each other, but that hasn't been the case. The logic that if everyone get's jabbed then the virus will disappear is ridiculous.

Boy is that quackin crazy or what!

"That's your opinion. The majority of new cases are among the vaccinated. If the vaccinated were spreading it less, then it should be mostly the unvaxxed giving it to each other, but that hasn't been the case. The logic that if everyone get's jabbed then the virus will disappear is ridiculous."

Lol, none of what you think is even close to being true.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/04/fully-vaccinated-half-as-likely-to-catch-delta-covid-variant-and-less-likely-to-infect-others-study-finds/?sh=5e765534281c

"That's your opinion."

No, dumbfuck. This is what the studies show.

Yeah man people really showing their ass in here lolllll. Watching people unwittingly spread fake news and other bull shit they read is equal parts fascinating, unnerving, disconcerting, and hilarious but sad.

"Social media likes to hide it"

Its clear where hes going for his "facts". Its so funny watching all these gullible fools repeating rumors that were started on social media as if theyre facts. On the other hand its not funny because its part of why the US has had such a pathetic response to the virus.

Preach

I don't use social media for my news, but I see what Facebook and Twitter do to suppress information. If you don't toe the CDC and WHO line, you get your account suspended or removed for "misinformation" even if you're a doctor who doesn't agree with Fauci. Honestly, the fact that you're blindly following a doctor who's changed his stance at least 17 times since March of 2020 is what's astonishing. But whatever, you do you and fuck off with trying to tell people to vax up or wear a mask. I'm not worried about getting COVID because I'm young and healthy, and 2 vaccines that are still in trial phase with unknown side effects doesn't seem like a smart risk unless you're old or have pre-existing conditions.

Never mind the fact that they're already finding cases of heart inflammation and blood clots in some patients, even in young people. The audacity of people like you to think that mandating something that hasn't even gone through a standard trial period without knowing what it will do to them is authoritarian behavior that's appalling.

"Never mind the fact that they're already finding cases of heart inflammation and blood clots in some patients, even in young people."

Quick question, have you crunched the numbers for the likelihood of having an adverse vaccine reaction to the likelihood of having a serious Covid infection?

^ this goes without saying, the answer is no because again he's doing exactly what I said they're doing lol.

"Honestly, the fact that you're blindly following a doctor who's changed his stance at least 17 times since March of 2020 is what's astonishing. But whatever, you do you and fuck off with trying to tell people to vax up or wear a mask. I'm not worried about getting COVID because I'm young and healthy, and 2 vaccines that are still in trial phase with unknown side effects doesn't seem like a smart risk unless you're old or have pre-existing conditions. "

Yes, typically you should change your stance as new data and hard facts become available, thats how it works. Not being worried about getting covid cause I'm young and healthy is quite literally why we're in this situation in the first place. They're not in a trial phase, and "doesn't seem like a smart risk" is even dumber because these vaccines have been available for almost a year, have had numerous trials and actual data to support that they help, and very, very few bad reactions are occurring. You're literally choosing to downplay the risks of a known (covid) for potential unknowns (vaccine) in things that so far have yet to show any issues. Like its astounding how far you're going to perpetuate a stance

"CMFT has been stopped"

lmao this needs more attention

Oh damn I just looked at his profile. It all makes sense now. I'll stop and take the L

"CMFT has been stopped" flew over my head cause I didn't know the album well enough to get it lol

"If you don't toe the CDC and WHO line"

And here it is. This is what it always comes down to. Its all a giant conspiracy.

"I'm not worried about getting COVID because I'm young and healthy, and 2 vaccines that are still in trial phase with unknown side effects doesn't seem like a smart risk unless you're old or have pre-existing conditions."

Again, studies show vaccines prevent the spread. Its not only for you, brat. Also the Pfizer just got full approval, so your "trial phase" talking point isnt going to work anymore. The side effects are known and adverse effects that have been proven to be linked to the vaccine are extremely rare. Stop being so stupid please, youre ruining everything for everyone.

"Quick question, have you crunched the numbers for the likelihood of having an adverse vaccine reaction to the likelihood of having a serious Covid infection?'

One you're 100% injecting into yourself, the other is a probability (getting it) of a probability (it being serious), both of which are low.

It's also strange at the bootlicking of the lab coats going on in here. Not taking a vaccine from pharmaceutical companies with billions in lawsuits and fines for false claims for a disease with a 99.8 survival rate for anyone under 50 is not radical or being a conspiracy theorist. This is doubly so if you're black and familiar at all with the Tuskegee experiment. I don't blame them for having a higher proportion of unvaccination rates.

"Adverse vaccine reaction" < />getting vaccine

Reading is hard

quackin crazy!

arguing with covid deniers and antivaxxers is useless, they are all very fat very ignorant and very stupid southerners, now who wants to have a conversation with someone like that?

no skinny or intelligent person has ever been born in the south ever once

I don't fear Covid because I'm young and healthy but I'm way too old and unhealthy to get a vaccine that's demonstrably safer than actual Covid

@zorg And yet 628,000 people in the US are dead from it so far. It is objectively true that if every single of age person got the vaccine, many, many, many less people would be dead than if we didnt vaccinate at all. Even if you think VAERS is an accurate source for number of deaths (its not), thats still a huge difference.

"for a disease with a 99.8 survival rate"

Where are you dumbfucks regurgitating this false stat from?

"for anyone under 50"

Oh, older people dont count. Gotcha. This is a trend i notice with anti-vaxxers, a lot of them sound like selfish brats with an underdeveloped sense of empathy.

@Deathconscious

Please turn that 628,000 into a percent of the total US population for me.

"One you're 100% injecting into yourself, the other is a probability (getting it) of a probability (it being serious), both of which are low."

But have you crunched the numbers? If you're claiming to have assessed the risks of Covid (and even in people with mild symptoms we're still looking at possible long-term neurological and cardiovascular damage) vs the vaccine do you know what the actual risks are?

So 628,000 people is no big deal to you.

As i said, selfish brats with an underdeveloped sense of empathy.

when you start getting into the "it was only a small percentage of the population that died" argument you're basically Walter White in that scene where he's telling his school that the plane crash really wasn't that bad. You could also say 9/11 wasn't that bad because 99.99% of the US population survived

Who cares what percent it is that doesn’t matter, just a cop out that makes zero sense.

Someone going to type the percent?

"Please turn that 628,000 into a percent of the total US population for me."

But you know that isn't what survivability is, right?

No it makes sense to deflate your use of big numbers and apocalyptic notions

Sucks but are you surprised? The "maggots" don't tend to be the smartest bunch.

So youre just against preventing death. Okay then.

you know there's some idiots in this thread when they're making sitar fabius and twlichty sound reasonable

"No it makes sense to deflate your use of big numbers and apocalyptic notions"

Lol, what does this even mean?

it's funny when people cite the relatively low death rate of Covid as an argument against masks and vaccines when masks and vaccines are a huge part of the reason the death rate is even that low to begin with. Like they're defeating their own argument and not even realizing

I don't even really give a shit whether people get the vaccine or not because we know now that vaccinated people spread Covid too but at least make the arguments make sense

They can spread it, but not at the same rate. You definitely should care.

The danger of covid isn’t in its mortality rate, it’s in its infectiousness. Basically the opposite of Ebola. And vaccines DO have a spread-curbing effect. These are things that have been repeated as nauseam to anyone paying even remote attention for the past 12-18 months but some people just can’t seem to hold it in their heads

I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but I’ve been reading a lot of doctors saying there’s been huge upticks in children getting covid severely and in basically every case their parents are unvaccinated

stay home and listen to music, problem solved

Percentages, probability and proportion matter to help assess risk. You also need to be looking at excess deaths more than anything else. It’s not callousness or being a “brat” to question the severity of something and/or be concerned and cautious about the measures being implemented to resolve that something. I still remember when fomite transmission was supposedly a thing.

on an individual basis that’s true deathconscious, but with vaccinated people being the only ones allowed to form large groups at concerts and restaurants and what not, it’s actually pretty questionable who’s really spreading it the most at this point

@zorg Youre not being cautious, its dumbfuckery at this point. I had questions at first too. But after all the time that has passed and all the evidence that has accumulated, there is no excuse to be an anti-vaxxer.

"it's funny when people cite the relatively low death rate of Covid as an argument against masks and vaccines when masks and vaccines are a huge part of the reason the death rate is even that low to begin with. Like they're defeating their own argument and not even realizing" [2]

"I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but I’ve been reading a lot of doctors saying there’s been huge upticks in children getting covid severely and in basically every case their parents are unvaccinated" [2]

It has to be an apocalypse for Zorg to care

I remember pride in being an American in history was how we banded together to overcome strife like how we all worked together in world war 2. Appropriate and awful that more Americans have died in a year than us Americans in the 4 years we were in ww2

"Percentages, probability and proportion matter to help assess risk. You also need to be looking at excess deaths more than anything else."

Yeah, but if you want to assess those percentages starting with the right numbers helps. 38M covid cases in the US. 628K deaths. That's a mortality rate of 1.7%, not the 0.2% you seem to like quoting.

The mortality rate is about 1.6% which is 8 times as much as the .2% that you reported earlier

THERE ARE 7.8 BILLION OF US WHO IS GONNA MISS A FEW MILLION AMIRITE

I'M YOUNG AND HEALTHY

Also i love how covid deniers love to talk about fear of the virus, but are terrified of a provably effective and very low risk vaccine.

yes this is what I am saying. its hysterical

Our survival as a proportion of cases is pretty good cause we horde the vaccine and siphon skilled doctors from other countries cause of private healthcare, but our survival as a proportion of total population is dogshit because we’re an insanely selfish country

Basically all your feelings regarding this are a product of the unimaginable evil that the US inflicts upon the rest of the world on a daily basis

"Yeah, but if you want to assess those percentages starting with the right numbers helps. 38M covid cases in the US. 628K deaths. That's a mortality rate of 1.7%, not the 0.2% you seem to like quoting."

That's case mortality rate, not infection mortality rate. 0.004%-0.23% is the IFR estimate given for the 0-54 age group in the WHO's Dec 2020 report. All the other papers I could find gave similar numbers.

So how about this MUSIC site gais?

I don't care about what you have to say Tina you should have taken better care of yourself You're not in a demographic that is worth consideration.

"I don't even really give a shit whether people get the vaccine or not because we know now that vaccinated people spread Covid too but at least make the arguments make sense"

clownshoes lol

"but with vaccinated people being the only ones allowed to form large groups at concerts and restaurants and what not, it’s actually pretty questionable who’s really spreading it the most at this point"

colton really expressing his "I see both sides so I'm not biased" tendencies, you belong in the south with all the other fat retarded gorillas

@fabius I think you just feel the need to put me in that category so you can get mad and blow off some steam. What I said is just common sense. The vaccine makes you less likely to transmit the vaccine. Say for the sake of argument it makes you 5 times less likely to transmit it. That's great, but if vaccinated people are the only ones who can go to concerts and crowded public places, they could easily be in proximity with 5 times as many people as non-vaccinated people. The fact that they're exposed to more people could easily negate the benefits of the vaccine, or at least mitigate them. So it becomes this weird paradoxical situation where by mandating the vaccine, it almost absolves the non-vaccinated of the responsibility of getting it from an ethical or "do your part" perspective. We don't have nearly enough data right now though to draw a firm conclusion either way. That's why the logical thing to do to really stop the spread would be to not open up at all again, not open up schools, not allow concerts, restaurants, etc. By choosing not to do that, we all partially responsible for Covid continuing to exist whether you're vaccinated or not

you just spent way to much time trying to rebut what was an obvious troll post, autism confirmed

that’s a nice save

"Arguing with covid deniers and antivaxxers is useless, they are all very fat very ignorant and very stupid southerners, now who wants to have a conversation with someone like that?"

See, you're a big part of the problem when it comes to this issue. I'm not Covid denier or an antivaxxer. My dad got the shot because he's in his 50s with asthma and I'm glad he did (he tested positive for covid 6 weeks later by the way). What I'm against is the elites in this world telling me what I'm required to do with my body without any regard for how it will affect me. Everyone who's got the shot is as protected as they can be, regardless of what I do. Also, the governments actions don't match their telling us. "You must absolutely wear a mask!" but we see videos nearly every day of the same people at parties, dinners, etc and they're all maskless. People argue that they're vaccinated so it's ok (Obamas party) but yet they're still requiring everyone else to wear one regardless of status. The elite aren't nearly as worried about this virus as they're convincing you to be.

'What I'm against is the elites in this world telling me what I'm required to do with my body without any regard for how it will affect me'

Believe it or not, your body can produce and spread invisible things that kill other people, you might not recall that that was part of a condition to admit you into public schools.

'The elite aren't nearly as worried about this virus as they're convincing you to be.'

Right, because we all have free/cheap access to stem cell cocktails whenever us common folk come down with covid.

"that’s a nice save"

thanks man

Not really sure what point you're trying to make. Regardless of what's available to the rich, they aren't living by any of the rules they try to make everyone else follow. You're never going to need a stem cell cocktail for something like Covid, which has a 99.8% recovery rate. I think people forget that this is basically the flu with extra respiratory symptoms. The vast majority of people it's killing are either elderly or morbidly obese.

"morbidly obese." kill the fatties

How dare the government tell me how to use my body, despite how I could potentially kill elderly and obese people.

i had to use a mask once now i have ptsd

sorry for your loss

I argue with covid deniers all day I thought I was just shouting into the void but turns out this is just a microcosm of the real world

The constant barrage of “the only people that die are unhealthy” is so fucking played out. One, that isn’t true and two, who cares? People are still dying. Are you trying to say they don’t matter but not look like a Jack ass? Cause that ship sailed. Either you don’t care that they are dying (Jack ass) or you’re trying to say you aren’t one of them and therefore shouldn’t have to get a vax (Jack ass).

"which has a 99.8% recovery rate."

Nope, stop using that figure, its incorrect.

"The constant barrage of “the only people that die are unhealthy” is so fucking played out. One, that isn’t true and two, who cares? People are still dying. Are you trying to say they don’t matter but not look like a Jack ass? Cause that ship sailed. Either you don’t care that they are dying (Jack ass) or you’re trying to say you aren’t one of them and therefore shouldn’t have to get a vax (Jack ass)."

Again: 628,000 (and counting) dead people in the US. But dont worry, it doesnt matter because most of them had pre-existing conditions and/or were on the older side. So no big deal!

Edit: ope, another 2,000 since i last checked. Haha! :D

So sick of people basically throwing those who are overweight under the bus in the discourse surrounding mortality rates. It's the US dude. Most of the people that I know are overweight, and both of my parents are technically obese, and can't do much about it given their age and health conditions. So I'm guessing that you think that if they were to catch severe cases of Covid, it's on them? I hope that you're aware that you could very well die from the virus too. I know a few people in their 20s, along with some kids in my area who are in hospital with it right now.

Also deaths arent the only factor. Many people who didnt die from it have been permanently damaged by the virus.

Yes the virus is bad s*** you don't want it no matter what but plenty of people seem to think it is a badge of honor to throw caution to the wind and let their freak flag fly. It's not about freedom it's about compassion which is apparently all but absent in our current climate. Never ascribe conspiracy to a situation which is as easily explained by human incompetence. We suck as a species or not willing to extend ourselves for our fellow man and we are on our natural trajectory. Bring on the Tesla bots building up infrastructure on Mars.

I see we've a cohort of virologists here too.
Did I miss the experts on Afghanistan conference?
Get the fucking vaccine.

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"it's funny when people cite the relatively low death rate of Covid as an argument against masks and vaccines when masks and vaccines are a huge part of the reason the death rate is even that low to begin with"

Masks don't decrease virulence bro

Peeps play the science card then say clumsy shit like that. All as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned

Less people are dead because of masks because it reduces transmission. Thats probably what he meant, just poor wording.

it reduces the basic reproduction number (r)

also, to the comment about overweight people: ...y'all aware that obesity is not the only preexisting condition right? Even if you don't care about obese people, how about people in chemo? People with asthma? Old people? Maybe you don't value or have a relationship with your grandparents, but a lot of us do ://

1) they do reduce virulence by reducing viral load and thus reducing the severity of transmissions. And 2) they also reduce transmission which brings the death rate down. very simple concept

this is still going on?

depends on how you define virulence, me thinks

if you think of 'virulence' as 'damage to the body per unit of viral load' then that shouldn't change with masks, but if you think of it as 'damage to the body, given the current average viral load', then masks should reduce it on average

Colton’s mother know’s lots about viral loads, right colty?

im gay for covid