Yusss. this track is monumental, its awesome to hear both vocalists together

Composing? release date is May 19th last i checked

is jimmy back?

Very cool song. Album is looking like it could be pretty sweet.

Jimmy's back along with Stephen and the original guitarists, I believe.

I'd say they're done composing seeing as how the album comes out in 3 weeks.

Never got into these guys that much

song was good though

so good.

feelin it

It's Jimmy and Stephen on vocals, Brennan is back on guitar and vocals Mike and Scotty and Giussepi play their usual roles.

this is sick, officially excited for this album.

It is sick! That riff tho

Dudes I've been pumped for this shit for months, this song intensifies it tenfold. May is gonna be scene band throwback month... New Haste the Day, Silverstein, AND Senses Fail? Hot damn.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/04/24/listen-to-haste-the-days-13927-new-song/

"autotuned clean vocals" b

because haste the day now or have ever used autotune

metalsucks is such an awful website

Forgot they were doing an album. Should be cool.

Decent song.

Not a huge fan of the band. That song was pretty cool though.

I've never been big into them but I saw them live once and they were great.

News on this site is just embarrassing. this came out like a week ago.

lol. agreed.

Yeah I don't understand why a band like Haste the Day needs 60k for an album. I also thought that to be absurd.

There's a fuck ton of stuff that goes into an album. You can technically record and produce an album really well for a few hundred bucks with the right equipment... But a quality studio, marketing, distribution, tours, merch... That adds up to a loooot of money. 60k might be lavish but their fans are the ones who delivered... And they are marketing the fuck out of the album and offered tons of incentives, and as far as I know, everything is on track and on schedule with release and distribution... I hope.

I mean, It's not their fault that the fans decided to keep raising money. Hell, even though they had surpassed their goal I still threw in a few bucks. Why? Because I love the band and want to support them and want to hear more music from them.

I'm sure more than a few people found out well after they reached their goal, but still wanted to get some of the incentives... people seem to forget you don't just throw money at the band for nothing. You get shit out of it... shit that costs money to make.

I have no problem with the amount of money earned. The band obviously has a good following, and if the fans want to throw money at them - good for them.

That being said, this is decent. Meh.

good song, but honestly it does not sound like it cost any more than 5 or so grand for the recording even in 1080p. Idk who the producer was but for 140k, this shit should sound lavish.

could just be youtube, but the production is not great. AOTWK sounded much better than this does

song was decent, sounded like HTD. still jam AOTWK every once in a while, damn good metalcore album

song started of very well, but those cleans sound nothing like the ones on AOTWK

So the band doesn't get to profit from their music... I forgot, this is 2015.

I didn't mind the cleans, and honestly don't care if there's not a lot of them. Between Jimmy and Stephen, they have a fucking monstrous harsh vocal setup.

I didn't mind the cleans, and honestly don't care if there's not a lot of them. Between Jimmy and Stephen, they have a fucking monstrous harsh vocal setup.

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Tresm, are you fucking stupid? It's not just production that needed funding. The band members, studio time, personnel, promotion, merch, artwork, and tours come out of the $130 k. Just shut the fuck up.

oh boy here we go again

you say that...

Agree with production though, sounds kinda weird to me, not as crisp as AOTWK, nonetheless was still an awesome song.

Hope to hear a song similar to American Love though, would be killer.

A simple little research into the actual recording process plus everything that comes after would show how ignorant your comments are, tresm.

We already had this shit in the ABR thread, let's not start again on here.

Lol tresm y

"So the band doesn't get to profit from their music... I forgot, this is 2015."

Not sure how asking for funds from fans to make an album is also supposed to be the means for the band to make a profit. Generally, and even in 2015, bands make a profit AFTER they release something, and a significant amount of people deem it good enough to support by purchasing a copy, buying tickets to see them live, getting merch at the show, etc etc.

Whatever. They got the money and that's that. Haste the Day obviously have enough die-hard support from people who just want to throw money at them before getting a quality product in their ears.

"It's not just production that needed funding. The band members, studio time, personnel, promotion, merch, artwork, and tours come out of the $130 k."

So, are fans just supposed to support the band entirely now? Bands aren't supposed to take responsibility for anything themselves, and just allow the fans to pay for everything?

How is 'the band members' something that needs funding? How is studio time, personnel, and artwork not already included in production when you say 'it's not just production?' I'm pretty sure all of that is involved in the production of an album.

Why are fans paying for the band to get merchandise, when they pay to own the merchandise? Is the band literally selling a product that the fans already paid for so the result is 100% profit?

Tours? Really? Most bands front the money they have themselves in order to tour, or they have their label back them up. Do these guys just not have jobs? Are they not contributing members of society? Are they all fucking broke? Cuz if so, maybe they should be getting their priorities aligned before asking for tens of thousands of dollars to go and create something.

^thought you were done

I understand your argument, hopelust, but I disagree, especially with the argument about band members having good jobs or not. That point is irrelevant, since band members have to take time out of work to record the album. They need compensation, due to the fact that most of these guys have families to support now.

Recording, mixing, editing... Most indie bands nowadays have to go through separate sources for each stage of production, so yes, there are different fees for each person who has participated in said recording.

Yes, they make money from their tours, but they may not have the money to support themselves at the beginning of the tour

And yes, merchandising. The fans end up paying for it in the end, but it costs money to make a tshirt. It costs money to make a hat. It costs money to make a sticker, and so forth and so forth.

They need all of this money up front, since they obviously don't have the backing of a record label to produce this album.

And tresm, if bands like Haste the Day make enough money to produce their own records, then why in the hell do band members from bands like them have real jobs? Bands like Haste the Day don't make enough money to live off of it, much less self-produce an album.

Cuz if so, maybe they should be getting their priorities aligned before asking for tens of thousands of dollars to go and create something.


wow. Lol

Yeah, God forbid they do what they love to do.

Pit do you like this band?

I enjoyed their first album in my earlier -core days, but haven't listened since. Gave this news article a shot, and I actually like the new song quite a bit.

For some reason I didn't think this would be your thing but cool. Just wondered because I didn't think you would defend something so vigorously that you didn't like.

Well ultimately it didn't matter whether he likes the band or not I guess

My like or dislike of this band has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Yeah that's true I suppose

If 90% of musicians and artist got their "priorities in line," music wouldn't exist.

"I understand your argument, hopelust, but I disagree, especially with the argument about band members having good jobs or not. That point is irrelevant, since band members have to take time out of work to record the album. They need compensation, due to the fact that most of these guys have families to support now."

I think you pretty much proved my point in saying 'they need compensation due to the fact that most of these guys have families to support.'

I never said anything about having GOOD jobs. I just said having jobs, period.

"Recording, mixing, editing... Most indie bands nowadays have to go through separate sources for each stage of production"

Not true. Haste the day is not an indie band, and we're certainly not at a point where any band HAS to go through separate sources for each stage. While an album will generally be sent off somewhere to be mastered, there is no reason why these guys couldn't have found a studio in which to do all of the production process.

"Yes, they make money from their tours, but they may not have the money to support themselves at the beginning of the tour"

How is that the fans responsibility to provide for them?

"And yes, merchandising. The fans end up paying for it in the end, but it costs money to make a tshirt. It costs money to make a hat. It costs money to make a sticker, and so forth and so forth."

I'm well aware it costs money to make all of these things. Why, again, is it the fans responsibility to front the money to make the merch, and then spend MORE money to purchase what they've already paid to make? Makes no sense whatsoever, Pit, and frankly, that's not an argument at all. You're just saying it costs money to make things. You're not explaining in any of your arguments why the fans should be responsible.

"They need all of this money up front, since they obviously don't have the backing of a record label to produce this album."

I can agree they need some money up front. $60,000 is excessive for an album, specifically in the punk genre. That is my ultimate point. By the sound of it, the money's going to places the band should realistically be contributing towards.

"If 90% of musicians and artist got their 'priorities in line,' music wouldn't exist. "

Music has existed longer than recorded history. It is a fundamental basis for culture within society. It would continue to exist, and probably for the better, if 90% of musicians and artists got their priorities aligned. They wouldn't have to be asking fans to supplement the cost of literally EVERYTHING in order for them to make music.

If 90% of musicians today kept their priorities in line by continuing o get a weekly or monthly check to support themselves, bands wouldn't be discovered because none of them would be putting the effort into chasing their dream. It's a stupid argument.

And as for asking their fan base to help fund it, to call them greedy or cowardly for that is ridiculous. I'm sure they would have funded it if they could have, but they chose to ASK(not DEMAND) their fans to see if they could get some help, and considering the fans received pretty nice packages in return, it's really not asking for a donation. Again, your argument is majorly flawed.

The whole argument is silly. They're perfectly allowed to ask for whatever the fuck funding they want to, because it's the decision of the fan on whether or not they want to donate. If the fans think that HTD is being money hungry, then they can just, you know, not donate.

"Music has existed longer than recorded history. It is a fundamental basis for culture within society. It would continue to exist, and probably for the better, if 90% of musicians and artists got their priorities aligned. They wouldn't have to be asking fans to supplement the cost of literally EVERYTHING in order for them to make music."

Yes music has a fundamental basis in culture, but in the modern era, people have to make money, and making music takes up a lot of time and money. So while you're right in saying that it would continue to exist, if you, say eliminate funding for music entirely then a lot of it would probably cease to exist. Also, the whole "probably for the better" part is totally baseless and and unfounded. And, again, they're allowed to ask fans for funding, just as the fans are allowed to deny the funding. It's no different from a struggling student asking for donation to attend school or something.

Says he’s done. I kept reading for five minutes. I feel dumber now.

Welcome to Sputnikmusic.com :-)

"OVER THE COURSE OF MUSIC HISTORY, HOW MANY BANDS BIT THE BULLET, WORKED THEIR ASSES OFF, AND GOT THEIR MATERIAL OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT ASKING FOR MONEY. ABOUT FUCKING 99% BEFORE 2010."

There's an immense selection bias with this statement, you think the figure is 99% because every band that was unable to release material you never heard from ever again. Personally, I'm all for artists getting direct funding and cutting out the middleman record companies.

You seem to have a really naive view on the music industry, very black and white. These guys are in their 30's now, many have families, many left the band to spend more time with their loved ones and it's hard to for a lot of people to justify being in their 30's, touring the world, literally surviving show to show pinching pennies while they miss their 3 year olds birthday and their wedding anniversary "chasing their dream". I think it's a great a bunch of artists I enjoyed growing up listening to decided to choose their families over slaving to music and I'm able to throw them a few dollars to hear some more new music.

They didn't ask for that much, people gave that much, those are 2 completely different things. If a server has a table with a $50 bill and reluctantly receives a $100 tip, should we start dragging our feet about whether they "deserved" it or not? Please...

That's exactly what I said.

Have you ever tried haggling before? Negotiating 101, never ask for exactly what you need. You need $20 for the movies from your parents, start at $40. You're selling your old car that's really on worth about $3,000, start at $4,000.

Part of the reason bands over estimate their crowd funding is because of the principle I just described and also the fact that many crowd sourced ideas never reach their goal. Regardless of whether they reach their goal or not, they're still required to use that money to release a record. If they only asked for $20,000, the bare minimum needed for studio time and to press the record, and only received $19,000, what would they tell their fans? Sorry guys, we didn't reach our goal of money we needed to make this record, don't have enough, sorry! Of course not, they asked for 60K so if they fell short, they'd still be able to produce the record for their fans.

Yeah, screw them for setting a high goal so they could still produce a record even if they fell short by a lot in donations.

JWT155 with the first logical counterpoint in this thread. Bravo, JWT. I commend you.

A very good point, at that. Had not considered that as a possibility.

I regret commenting here

yet you keep doing it tresm

Holy shit! How the hell did I miss this shit show? I love how Tresm keeps arguing that they asked for 60k and recieved 139k like they asked for 139k overall. I agree with pretty much everyone but Tresm on this argument because he is once again basing it around one thing and one thing only.

And you still keep posting...

You obviously do give a fuck.

tresm87 is a 10-year-old in a 28-year-old's body

Please go take a Nap

He needs his binky.

You're the only one calling us bad users yet everyone has scoped you out for your complete arrogance, idiocy, and immaturity when an argument doesn't go your way. I mean we could look back on that Abr thread for proof. I'm also glad you put the caps lock on to make sure we know you mean real business. Give it a rest, dude. To end it all, JWT and Pit have said nothing but truthful comments here but you write them off because you don't like Pit. As for JWT, I don't know if you even bothered with his latest comment.