For some reason your link is taking me to the wrong page. Try this one: http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_ghost_inside_dear_youth_album_premiere_and_interview

Shit sounds tight. Top tier TGI.....take that as you will.

Yeeeeeeeee

Glad they fixed the production. Very stoked on this release.

So sick. So fucking sick.

pretty sweet, but some questionable guest vocals

Gonna have to give this album an listen soon. I loved the last one.

This is their best work yet. Maturity at its finest.

Only halfway through, but I'm really not hearing anything new or different tbh
It's tighter, sounds good but it's not hitting me like their last album. Maybe I'm just getting older hah

It's not really different or new to my ears, but it sounds a bit more refined. The chug a lugs sound a little more infrequent which is good, they always felt jarring to me before.

@dathvada321
Thanks.

Fantastic album.

production on the last was fucking beast mode

does anyone know what these guys record with? They essentially have zero mid-range in the guitars and bc of it you can always tell it's them.

Obligatory TGI comment junz mothafuckas

this shit jams

This jam shits.

Strong contender for AOTY 2014. I lost my shit at the guest vocal spot at "Wide Eyed". So fucking good.

nothing new but so fucking catchy!

Strong contender for AOTY 2014.




lol

bite me :]

"I lost my shit at the guest vocal spot at "Wide Eyed"."

yeah same i lost my shit laughing because it sounded like michael fucking jackson busted into a TGI track

Jason and Vigil have been friends for a long time, and his vocals added a really cool dynamic IMO. I can see a lot of people not diggin't it doe.

if by "added a really cool dynamic" you mean, kill the entire mood of the album than yeah

they were smart by adding the best breakdown on the album immediately after that part though - almost like the band was like "yeah sorry about that here forget about it"

"Jason and Vigil have been friends for a long time"

and if you didn't know that before Wide Eyed, you will now

AY AY VIGIL

U REMEMBER WHEN AINT NOBODY WANNA FUCK WIT LETLIVE?

HEHEH

U REMEMBER A DYING DREAM?

HEHEH... SHIT

U REMEMBER WHEN THEY SAID WE WOULD NEVER MAKE ANYTHING WORTH ANYTHING?

NOW WE ON EACH OTHER'S TRACKS!

SAYIN EVERYTHING

lol it did seem kind of odd. That interview with the album stream was pretty cool. At least it illuminated why he wears a fucking jersey throughout the summer warped tour.

"if by "added a really cool dynamic" you mean, kill the entire mood of the album than yeah

they were smart by adding the best breakdown on the album immediately after that part though - almost like the band was like "yeah sorry about that here forget about it""

^This, haha. My album of the year. But that song fucking sucks because of the guest spot. Such a mood ruiner. Also, that breakdown is tight. Annoying to me that it gets wasted on a song I'll never listen to. Wide-Eyed is the only bad song on the album. My Endnote is just okay too. Other than that, shit fucking crushes.

Phoenix flame feels like the cheesiest shit ever

Omg this shit is terrible lol

u remember when ain't nobody wanna fuck wit letlive

ya i just listened to it a second time and only like half the songs are decent. The lyrics are pretty boring, and all the breakdowns feel like the same thing.

same. i was super hyped up on the album at first then after another listen it's just a standard TGI album. Give it a 3.5 or 4.0, and only ever listen to your favorite songs off of it.

I was gonna listen again but as usual all links to an alt press page mysteriously decide you don't want to go to the same thing each consecutive time and pulls up a random ass article

you can just download it now

From where? Keeping an eye out for a torrent but nothing else.

If you have MediaGet installed, you can download it from there. I bet kingdom leaks has torrents by now too

"as usual all links to an alt press page mysteriously decide you don't want to go to the same thing each consecutive time"

yeah, what the fuck is with that?

"If you have MediaGet installed, you can download it from there. I bet kingdom leaks has torrents by now too"

I use piratebay and bitlord but I've never used those.

"yeah, what the fuck is with that?"

It's so fucked

i just checked and its on kingdom leaks. they're just a website that has forums for people to share torrent links. i recommend it

kingdom leaks is cool, already found a few torrents I hadn't been able to find for a while.

It's interesting how divisive people have been over "Wide Eyed". Everyone seems to love it and hate it in equal measure. I think the guest spot is super cool, but I see where the criticism is coming from. I still applaud them for taking such a risk, few bands in this genre rarely do.

I also second Kingdom leaks, found links immediately.

idk about the rules concerning discussing leaks but assuming it's alright, KingdomLeaks is awesome and has everything super early.

^the best website

I've listened to the album basically nonstop and it just gets better. Its hardcore - lyrics are the focal point, and they hit perfect.

"Phoenix Flame feels like the cheesiest thing ever,"
"More often than not, you're gonna feel alone, its a long fall from the top, can you stand it?" Those are like the most perfect lyrics speaking to youth in my opinion.

And just personally, I always hate the cheesy argument. I don't think the Ghost Inside is concerned whether or not their music is cheesy - I think they're more concerned about whether it hits the core which that song certainly does for me. The Princess Bride is cheesy as fuck, but its also incredible, and that's exactly what its trying to be.

People call hardcore lyrics cheesy when they just can't relate to them. That's pretty much the only reason unless you can really analyze them as weakly written.

Yeah, that Jason Butler guest spot was wack. I love Jason Butler, but he didn't fit into that song at all.

""More often than not, you're gonna feel alone, its a long fall from the top, can you stand it?" Those are like the most perfect lyrics speaking to youth in my opinion"

So when are adults supposed to stop singing about issues they had in their youth?


Oh yeah.... When they become adults.

Says the guy who's spent untold hours of his life specifically trying to upset people he's never met and is supposedly far more mature than instead of being civil


Howubeendoe

"So when are adults supposed to stop singing about issues they had in their youth?


Oh yeah.... When they become adults."

hey are you by any chance a complete dipshit

the album is called dear fucking youth

DEAR

YOUTH

yepppppp ^

Actually I was supporting win but betray speaks truth as well.

Hey Win, why the hostility, dude? Thought we were boys. And I
never said I was mature. I just made the comment.

And it doesn't matter what the album is called lol. That just
hammers my point home even further. To be taken seriously as a
band, don't make an album about teen angst when you're in your
late 20s-early 30s

I guess Yellowcard's discography loses all credibility then

Yellowcard's discography had credibility?

you're a fucking idiot

"Yellowcard's discography had credibility?"

lol how did I know you would say that

shut up gameofmetal you listen to music that talks about the past lame

There's a difference between talking about the past and centering an album around teen angst yen years after your teens were over. A big difference. Sorry you can't seem to decipher the difference between the two.

"shut up gameofmetal you listen to music that talks about the past lame"

u iz ungrateful 4 them deathcore recs I gave u

I was talking about pits last comment earlier to be clear

Says the guy who's spent untold hours of his life specifically trying to upset people he's never met and is supposedly far more mature than instead of being civil [2]

Lol I never said I was mature. I'm just saying screaming into the microphone at 30 years old about the pain you went through when you were 15 isn't exactly going to get a lot of people to take you seriously. Apparently I struck a nerve with betray, who might need to be on suicide watch now.

intothepit giving advice on how to be taken seriously

Betray, take the knife from your wrists. Everything will be okay.

Suicide jokes r bad

also agreed i'm completely broken about the fact that you don't like the ghost inside lmfao

you need to see a mental health professional

I dunno, betray. You seemed to get pretty upset there about me sharing a simple opinion.

Who said it was a joke, game? I'm genuinely concerned for his well being.

"Who said it was a joke, game? I'm genuinely concerned for his well being."

I doubt that. Just vaguely

nah me calling you a fucking dipshit through text doesn't mean i'm angry at all you're just a fucking dipshit

Well, regardless if you believe me or not, game, I've shared my humble opinion, and I will take my leave before betray pulls the trigger. I do t want to be responsible for his demise. I bid you Adieu!

Betray, calm down! We can't have you getting this worked up! Take your xanax and have a nap.

"Well, regardless if you believe me or not, game, I've shared my humble opinion, and I will take my leave before betray pulls the trigger. I do t want to be responsible for his demise. I bid you Adieu!"

God he's such a dick but it's so sassy that I can't help but laugh just a little.

However this is going too far.

Lol I never said I was mature. I'm just saying screaming into the microphone at 30 years old about the pain you went
through when you were 15 isn't exactly going to get a lot of people to take you seriously. Apparently I struck a nerve with
betray, who might need to be on suicide watch now.


says the one whose 5s consist of just that

whelp, this sure is The Ghost Inside

None or my 5s are anything like that, except for PtW, who
were barely out of high school when they made that album.
In orther words, snake, you don't have a clue as to what
you're talking about.

It's not about teen angst at all though. There's legitimately no mention of parents, girlfriends, etc etc. Any of that.


And I'm not hating, pit. Just poking fun at you; I know you can take a joke or two. Honestly TGI has always been a hardcore band at heart. No matter how accessible or big they get, Vigil is always going to be that genuine kind of guy that I can respect. Get What You Give really didn't hit me the same way that their other albums did, but this one is shaping up alright.

Teen angst doesn't necessarily mean they're singing about girlfriends and parents. It's that feeling of self-loathing that they seem to put out there and with brief moments of hopefulness, which isn't what traditonal hardcore is about. TGI have always strived to be respected and taken as a traditional hardcore bands, albeit much heavier than their predecessors, but they've never had the lyrical themes to take them seriously as one. It also doesn't help that each song on each album just blends in with the next. In fact, you really can't decipher sonically which album is which unless you're a truly religious TGI fan.

Well that was a pit comment that was pretty subjective and neutral. I have lived to see the day.

That actually makes sense although I can sort of tell their albums apart. Not the best melodic hardcore band but a pretty good one imo

Game, if I disagree with an opinion that is well rounded instead of based off of fanboyism, then they get a respectable response. If I seesomeone say, "My AOTY" after the frist two listens, then I'll call them an idiot, even if I like the album.

I mean, Fury is the only one that sounds different and that is mostly production and immaturity (which helped that album in so many ways, honestly)

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I would if it were enjoyable and there wasn't this weird place tovoice my opinion.

And I think you should take your own advice.

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Fury and the Fallen Ones is the best. Dear Youth is sounding pretty great though, probably going to end up liking this better than the last two.

my god, that guest on Wide Eyed...i mean, i know TGI are cheesy but that was just...that just ruined the song, frankly.

"self-loathing"

the fuck ghost inside are you listening to dude

metalcore is dead

And Betray is still angry.

i'm not even or being a dick or whatever i'm legitimately interested that you hear/interpret the things you hear

Wow this sucks. So disappointed.

I'm digging

I'm glad the link is currently taking me to an At The Gates interview.

I just get tired of his lyrics and stylings tbh. I know most hardcore is geared towards teenagers and people under the age of 22, but man, this just goes too far. I'm only 24, and I already feel too old for all the 'Yeah! Kick some stuff over in a responsible way while dealing with your emotional demons! Yeah!' lyrics.

I get your point but it also seems like a shallow way to look at it. They're meant to be relatable. If you can relate, you'll love it, if you can't then vice versa. It doesn't make them inferior though really.

I don't know, I would say it's more outright misanthropy than 'teen angst' really, at least in how it affects me. For instance, I'd put their lyrical content (while it may be a lot more immediately relatable, less complicated, etc) closer to bands like Shai Hulud, Verse, Final Fight, etc than say, ADTR and AA!

Uhh I think he's just voicing his opinion here, but ya sometimes he trolls


Sometimes we all trolls

Yeah I get that, but I guess maybe I'm just at a point where I can't relate. All my hardcore/metal I've been listening to has been stuff like Full of Hell and shit.

All I care about is that it's nice to workout to it.

@intothepit,
1) To say just because you're past something that you shouldn't be singing about it is ridiculous. When a 50 year old sings about love from his teenage years, is he being childish? No, he's being mature and appreciating something even though it is no longer in his present time. It has left resonating effects, much like the misery of self-reflection and angst that are still very viable and interesting concepts to sing about. Our teenage into young adult time period of our life is the most central to our growth as human beings and to who we become as people. To shun this aside simply by taking that stupid elitist "move past that" sounds like someone who's insecure about it.

2) Just because they're 30 doesn't mean they've completely outgrown the demons that plagued them in their teenage years. I truly believe that some of the strongest human beings never leave a lot of their childhood behind because they're strong enough to handle the emotions and passion of those early years even when the world's stress becomes too hard for most adults to handle, which is why we learn to simplify things to just the things that are controllable and manageable for us. If someone can retain their childhood spirit and still be a contributing, good member of society, that's remarkable.

3) I don't know who you are, but you wrote on my wall probably just because you don't like my taste in music "go jump off a cliff, please." You're not a grown up - or maybe I should rephrase - you are a grown up, who acts worse than a child in a lot of ways. This whole thread shows a disgusting portrayal of your personality that I do not believe is the truth. But I hope someday you get by your own insecurity that has you telling Betray to take the knife away from his wrists. And I'd suggest one way of doing that might be to listen to TGI seriously and realize that a lot of us have demons from our past and childhood that are hard to face, and most of us choose to forget rather than progress and convince ourselves we are past those "childish" things rather than mustering up the balls to confront those problems so we can truly become better people.

And before you talk about how insecure or butthurt or whatever you want to say, that's totally fine. This does bother me. I always dislike it when another member of the human race conducts himself in this way, especially on a thread for something that I'm truly passionate about. And I have no shame that I took the seven minutes to type out that lengthy response. Its something I value in my own personality and I wish more people had the confidence to endure people who are going to make fun of them for it.

Also even if they are past their childhood issues, reflecting on them with maturity can be very helpful to the people who are actually going through it. So its still an awesome thing to do.

I feel like I'm the only person who likes Jason's guest vocal spot

I love it. Letlive are the shit and it was something different which tbh I can't say this album is. Last one was so fucking good but this I'm just not feeling.
Props to the band for being A+ dudes and Andrew Wade for a great production doe.

Lol you guys do realize this is the internet, right? Sounds like you're taking a few too many things personally.

Even worse, it's music. People get so worked up about it. Surely many of u must have better things to do?

No, they'd rather flip out because someone tells them their music is shit.

music is only yardstick of how I judge ppl. Duh
I can also tell the ppl arguing here are not part of the HC scene they try so hard to talk about. I've been a part of melbournes for some time and idk about ppl on America but here we don't care about such trivial shit.

Tbh this is so much weaker then Texas In July's new album

"Tbh this is so much weaker then Texas In July's new album"

I agree but it's also a pretty pointless comparison. Different genres. Now the latest For The Fallen Dreams might be an adequate comparison though.

Peace and love 2 all ya'll niggas arguin

How are those different genres, game? Both bands are mainly metalcore.

@tesm87, that part's so sweet

"How are those different genres, game? Both bands are mainly metalcore."

Nah not really. TGI's sound alludes far more towards melodic-hardcore with lyrics being a focal point. TiJ is straight-up Metalcore with chugs and bro-downs galore.

Both bands have REALLY stepped up their game this year though.

Lol you just verified my point. These bands are both metalcore bands. Yes, TGI takes more from hardcore than TiJ, but they are the same genre.

And I don't know why you added the part about the lyrics. Usually, the only time lyrics define is a subgenre is in hip hop. Metalcore is defined by sound.

"How are those different genres, game? Both bands are mainly metalcore."

I consider TIJ metalcore and TGI melodic hardcore. These days the two are getting hard to separate, especially in the case of TGI and FTFD. Usually the difference for me is the vocals being more mid ranged or yelled, and the riffs being more simplistic with lots of melodic guitar leads over the top. That defining melodic hardcore.

And yeah i kinda think lyrics are a big vocal point of melodic hardcore, not so much in metalcore.

ftfd's genre is on an album by album basis thought tbh

they're right on that line of melodic hardcore and metalcore

If you'd only listened to bands like TGI and say, Counterparts, of course you'd think they were melodic hardcore. Check out bands like Verse and Ruiner, who are defined as melodic hardcore yet sound nothing like the two I named.

And I'm sorry, but TGI's vox aren't yelled. That's a full on "screaming."

You're not giving genres any grey area. It's harder to do so with the music and instrumentation itself, but you can't define s genre by vocals. Sure, some genres have certain vocal characteristics, but I've heard vocals you normally hear from one genre in others.

Ruiner is so boss

Yeah I feel ya on the vocal argument pit. TGI's vocals are still pretty mid ranged which I associate with hardcore, rather than the high screams/low growls more dominant in metalcore. TGI is pretty similar to FTFD in that they kinda toe the line with metalcore but I'm pretty set on the idea that Counterparts is melodic hardcore. I'll give Verse and Ruiner a listen though. Always up for some new melodic hardcore to jam.

for me Texas In July is just more original metalcore and TGI is just a lot more 'basic chug chug' if you get what I mean

Ruiner - Dead Weight, those lyrics at the end of the song basically define what hardcore is to me.

I don't think you can call either band original Beardog but of course I like both bands.

I really wanna check this out but new Aversions crown is so good.

Is this the best TGI?

"for me Texas In July is just more original metalcore"

sorry dude but I had to lol at that one considering TIJ started as an exact rip-off of August Burns Red and only JUST now broke out of that with their newest album

"And I don't know why you added the part about the lyrics. Usually, the only time lyrics define is a subgenre is in hip hop. Metalcore is defined by sound."

True, I never stated that the lyrics defined TGI's sound, I merely stated that they are far more emphasised here than in TiJ. But you're right, both bands can definitely be summarized as Metalcore, but TiJ has an overall heavier sound IMO.

"I really wanna check this out but new Aversions crown is so good."

agreed impossible to check out two new releases tbh

"Is this the best TGI?"

no

"Is this the best TGI?"

Idk it's pretty much just as good as usual to me but I've got all their albums on about the same level pedestal.

Bloodwork is still August Burns Red tribute shit but at least it's really well performed and there are some hints of personality in there.

True says I had a feeling it would be typical TGI so I'll just wait till later to check it then and shut up betray you don't know me

agreed

Again, game, it doesn't mattwrhow the vocals are. Every Time I Die are metalcore, yet there is plenty of clean singing as well as just yelled vocals and screamed vocals.

Wait you're arguing that vocals do not define the genre right, because I'm not trying to say they do. I know vocals can be different styles no matter the genre, but I was just pointing the TGI vocal style as one of the reasons I think they generally have more in common with melodic hardcore than metalcore.

And I'm just trying to tell you that vocal style shoukdnt give you the impression of it being one genre or another.

interested in how poor this is

I don't think I'm basing it wholly on that fact so you can rest easy. I do associate certain vocal styles more often with certain genres but that won't stop me from labeling a metalcore band a metalcore band just because they use the vocal style I associate with something else. It's just one factor among many.

It's pretty poor, Yak.


But you still used it as a main reason for labeling it hardcore, and that's ridiculous

So you don't think vocal style has anything at all to do with with genre designation?

I think a lot of bands in certain genres use similar vocal styles, but I don't think vocals have a thing to do wih genre. If that was the case, we would have ridiculous crossover genres that wouldn't make sense.

Oh ok, I'm following ya now. Makes some sense.

Lol of course it does. Genres and sub-genres are described by the sound, not by the vocal stylings. I don't know how you got so confused about this. I've heard death metal growls in shitty post hardcore bands, but that doesn't mean they should be labeled as death metal.

Lol good example.

Hey you guys wanna move this shit outta the TGI thread and quit spamming it with unrelated bullshit?

Bullshits been over for a while dude and it wasn't entirely unrelated. That last conversation between pit and I was pretty reasonable actually.

Furpa, you wanna stop being a hitch and shut the fuck up?

Got me.

This band has sucked for a long time now.

Nah everyone is being a baby here.

Stream link seems broken (cut off at the end). Here it is, fixed:

http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_ghost_inside_dear_youth_album_premiere_and_interview

Love this band. Hey Nick, how's things aside from hating on TGI? ;)

I know this is poser hardcore but they write such catchy tunes.

Yeah that Butler part is cheesy at first but I fucking love when he actually sings. The again, I have shit music taste.

@Apollo, 1) why preface it as if you're embarrassed by it. Its music. Its personal.
2) In what way is it poser?

Dudes seem pretty hardcore to me.

well it's not

MegaJake might be the biggest idiot on the site, period.

I feel like I should enjoy this more than I do, but I've heard all of this before.

Nevermind the beginning of Mercy is so fucking dumb. At first I thought they were a hardcore band, but it sounds like they're trying to disguise the fact that they're a modern metalcore band with D-Beats every once in a while

Is no-one gonna review this album? haha

@intothepit, haha good. Then no one else has to be.

Though I'm certain I'm one of the smartest, but yeah, musically, I may be deficient.

I have zero friends who listen to metal, so probably leaves me absent of a lot of knowledge