Underoath confront MetalHammer

2009-06-18 by Douglas | 55 Comments
After a recent interview with Metal Hammer, Tim from Underoath was paraphrased saying that he doubted Avenged Sevenfolds muscianship. Tim denies that he even said the comments and apologized to A7X in a recent media release.

I’m writing this in response to my Metal Hammer paraphrasing in a recent online article. There’s obviously a fine line between being honest and careful when it comes to interviews. This is often a very severe impasse for me based on the fact that at times I find myself holding back, rather than just being able to have an open discussion of ideas. If I were to read just what has been posted, not knowing the context of the conversation, I would think the person who said that was one of the most-rude people to ever speak publicly. What was in fact a very well rounded music conversation, turned into a very public bash. Most people who know me know that although I am very opinionated about certain issues, especially regarding music, I have never intentionally or publicly ridiculed any band. What was posted was a collection of just 10 sentences from an entire 30-minute interview in which I stated my personal opinions about certain ideals pertaining to our scene/genre. I’d also like to clarify that some things I am quoted saying were in fact never even said. All things that were indeed stated were said by me alone. The interview was prefaced with the idea that this story was to be about music and only music. Leave your faith and everything else at the door, let’s just talk music. Music is the most powerful, influential force in potentially all of creation. I have seen it change lives before my eyes. Throughout the course of our career we have been confronted with many different issues. Bands go through image changes, ideal changes, and musical changes. This is a natural, and needed progression in order for music and musicians to progress. Whether you are pushing for reformation of anything from gay rights, religious beliefs, straight-edge, animal rights, etc., as an influential community we must take our responsibility for activism and progress as a charge.

I have no ill-will with Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate or Metallica. Underoath just wrapped a tour with E.T.F. and we’ve all grown to like those dudes as a lot. I don’t know anyone from Avenged or Metallica, but I have no doubt they’re all good people.

Regardless of what it was made to look like, I wasn’t intending to start any issues between bands or arbitrarily bash any artists. Many people don’t like my band. To me, this scene is about positivity and making a difference in the world. I want my kids listening to Thursday talk about equality, or P.O.S. talk about injustice, or Thrice talk about getting involved in your local charity.

Tim

Tagged: Underoath

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DrReg
June 19th 2009
127 Comments


Its pretty loose if an article falls that far from an interview that you have to come out publicly just to correct inaccuracies. Interviews shouldn't be paraphrased anyway.

myhigherpie
June 19th 2009
3029 Comments


I thought is was kind of fishy that such prolific musicians could be such assholes...

Asiatic667
June 19th 2009
4651 Comments


Confrontation. duh duh DAAAAAHHHH!!!

Douglas
June 19th 2009
9297 Comments


Metal Hammer sucks alot

AgentZero
June 19th 2009
322 Comments


I occasionally pick up Metal Hammer to catch some up and coming Brit bands. Found Bring Me The Horizon that way, but do not find this very surprising. He probably did take some shots at A7X that were taken out of context.

Douglas
June 19th 2009
9297 Comments


Ughh Bring Me The Horizon is worse then A7X

cirq
June 19th 2009
9354 Comments


Underoath shits on a7x.. Why are they even compared?

Captain North
June 19th 2009
6793 Comments


If I remember rightly, there was something about the interviewer winding him up a little as well.

But Underoath are cool, despite their tendency to preach at concerts.

myhigherpie
June 19th 2009
3029 Comments


I'm still pretty sure the members of Metallica are all greedy, self-obsessed pricks who don't give 2 shits about their music or their legacy and only care about how much money they can get from Napster.

lauriej
June 19th 2009
1713 Comments


tl;dr

but metal hammer sucks balls, so go Underoath

atrink
June 19th 2009
2855 Comments


yeah underoath is way better then a7x anyway

fireaboveicebelow
June 19th 2009
6832 Comments


I don’t know anyone from Avenged or Metallica, but I have no doubt they’re all good people.
hahaha A7X minus the drummer are all fucking idiots

Yazz_Flute
June 19th 2009
18948 Comments


But their drummer is like a retard.

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pfillypfeffer
June 19th 2009
48 Comments


Why did it take him so long to respond? This story came out forever ago.

sexualsoybean
June 19th 2009
931 Comments


He shouldnt even have to defend what was mis-quoted, those bands are horrible.

weare138mike
June 19th 2009
48 Comments


i find this hilarious. underoath owns A7X and metallica for creativity and just overall coolness. matt shadows sucks at singing and life and lars holds metallica back so much it's not even funny. example you say? ST ANGER. when that album is uttered from the lips of children old ppl die.

i like it when christian bands preach atleast they have a reason to be up there. A7X although decent live, just worry about chicks after the show. i had an old friend hangout with them backstage and she said there were nothing but strippers with fake huge goombas.

fake boobs=fail

A or B cups=epic

foreverendeared
June 19th 2009
14677 Comments


P.O.S. name-drop ftw

myhigherpie
June 19th 2009
3029 Comments


well he did tour with them...

OllieS
June 19th 2009
2175 Comments


thread brings the lols

Wizard
June 19th 2009
20302 Comments


metal hammer and Underoath suck

Klekticist
June 19th 2009
1288 Comments


haha.
underoath is pretty cool.

yes, A7X is filled with retards. M. Shadows is unbelievably inarticulate, syn and zac know better than to try to pretend to be smart.
johnny's kinda gay.

the rev's pretty sweet though. shame he's stuck with the rest of the band...

DrReg
June 19th 2009
127 Comments


I hate Metallica too.

Are the cool kids going to talk to me now?

Nikkolae
June 19th 2009
5497 Comments


sounds like someone got scared....

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KebertXela
June 19th 2009
367 Comments


I thought there was an actual video of this interview anyway......

Besides, this guy writes shitty ass riffs anyway...

foreverendeared
June 19th 2009
14677 Comments


sounds like someone got scared....
no, he was probably just tired of morons talking shit about something he said taken out of context

Phantom
June 19th 2009
9006 Comments


Ugh, Underoath.

Satellite
June 20th 2009
26429 Comments


Turn the other cheek, Tim.

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itachi1452
June 20th 2009
366 Comments


even if the words were taken out of context, there was a lot of truth to them.

liledman
June 20th 2009
3828 Comments


id like him better if he did say "yeah avenged sevenfold are shit, metallica have always been shit, and also escape the fate..."

Shredzilla
June 20th 2009
502 Comments


Something similar happened like this between Guitar World and Flyleaf about 2 years ago. They also had to publicly come out and correct many of the things that was said in an interview, which was also paraphrased as insults to other bands. It's weird this often happens to Christian bands. Even though I do not like Flyleaf, something was odd about that and something is indeed odd about this. I'm not screaming "discrimination!" but I think something is definitely going on behind the scenes.

Motiv3
June 20th 2009
9023 Comments


metalhammer @ fail.

KebertXela
June 20th 2009
367 Comments


no, he was probably just tired of morons talking shit about something he said taken out of context


What was the correct context, what was the perceived context, and what is the difference in meaning that these 'morons' so ignorantly extracted?

TNY
June 20th 2009
569 Comments


Nothing Underoath could ever do would ever surpass or even come close to City of Evil.

Shredzilla
June 20th 2009
502 Comments


LMFAO!

gaslightanthem
June 20th 2009
5208 Comments



Nothing Underoath could ever do would ever surpass or even come close to City of Evil.



LOL

MattRTS
June 24th 2009
136 Comments


Nothing Underoath could ever do would ever surpass or even come close to City of Evil.


Define The Great, Lost In The Sound Of Separation.


DAVECATAZ
June 25th 2009
112 Comments



"Nothing Underoath could ever do would ever surpass or even come close to City of Evil".

Seriously?

oilerfan943
July 3rd 2009
7 Comments


I'm a huge fan of Underoath, Avenged Sevenfold, and Escape the Fate, I'm not too big on Metallica, but hey, everyone's different. While I really, really love Underoath, Avenged Sevenfold just produces masterpieces. I don't care what they care about after a show. If they want to fuck a stripper, who am I to say no? When you take just the music into consideration, Avenged Sevenfold is much more talented, in my opinion. It's very difficult to be more talented the Underoath, Avenged Sevenfold is just one of few who is.

oilerfan943
July 3rd 2009
7 Comments



""Nothing Underoath could ever do would ever surpass or even come close to City of Evil".

Seriously?"

Seriously.

foreverendeared
July 3rd 2009
14677 Comments


HAHAHA i'm laughing so hard at oilerfan. sorry dude, haha i mean i have Define the Great Line at a 5, but i'd say talent wise, they don't crack the top 35% of bands out there. start listening to more music is all i can say.

Deathbat94
November 8th 2009
3 Comments


Nah Underoath isnt great. I mean have they gone gold or platinum on any album?no. A7X has way better talent. I mean they screm better, have better talent live ( i mean underoath sounds so pussy live). Get over yourself fangirls of Undershit. They suck and if he did make those comments they just make me hate them more.

sspedding
November 8th 2009
5296 Comments


a7x coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
April 5th 2010
31799 Comments


LMAO

A7X444
April 14th 2010
1 Comments


OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you even think for a second that underoath is better than A7X you know nothing about music. Synyster Gates would woop this guys ass majorly it wouldnt even be close. And they create masterpieces in music and in songs. Underoaths songs dont even make sense. I mean seriously people? whats wrong with you? saying underoath is better than A7X is very stupid and incorrect but saying their better than Mettalica is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. You are all just mad because your one of the only 100 people that atually like underoath. So all of you who said they like underoath GO FUCK YOURSELF

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
April 14th 2010
26856 Comments


YEAH GO FUCK YOURSELVES

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Athom
Emeritus
April 14th 2010
17242 Comments


hey look, a Revolver magazine subscriber. haven't seen one of those in a while. I thought they were
extinct

Masochist
April 14th 2010
8920 Comments


"Nah Underoath isnt great. I mean have they gone gold or platinum on any album?no."

Gold on two, I believe. Could be wrong, but I know for certain that 'Define The Great Line' went Gold.

Moot point anyways, though. Sales =/= talent, as 3OH!3 and LMFAO prove time and time again.

And as a personal opinion, I'd say 'Define...'-on Underoath is a better band than 'A7X'-on Avenged Sevenfold. 'City of Evil' is about equal to 'They're Only Chasing Safety', and A7X up to 'Waking The Fallen' was better than Underoath up to 'The Changing of Times'. Again...my opinion.

Acre
April 14th 2010
847 Comments


Timely and relevant.

Masochist
April 14th 2010
8920 Comments


Hahaha, if that was addressed to me: I know, right? :-P

Jips
April 14th 2010
1147 Comments


how the hell did this article come back up...

Masochist
April 14th 2010
8920 Comments


A7X444 up there apparently had something to say about the year-old unfavorable comparisons that A7X were receiving to UnderOath. How this article was even discovered is beyond me....

Electric City
Emeritus
April 14th 2010
15760 Comments


fucking quality rant

PanasonicYouth
April 14th 2010
7413 Comments


man i laughed so damn hard

HugCrewLoveRoll
April 14th 2010
612 Comments


"OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you even think for a second that underoath is better than A7X you know nothing about music. Synyster Gates would woop this guys ass majorly it wouldnt even be close. And they create masterpieces in music and in songs. Underoaths songs dont even make sense. I mean seriously people? whats wrong with you? saying underoath is better than A7X is very stupid and incorrect but saying their better than Mettalica is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. You are all just mad because your one of the only 100 people that atually like underoath. So all of you who said they like underoath GO FUCK YOURSELF"

WOW.

kirktastic
April 14th 2010
201 Comments


lol at people who actually like avenged sevenfold, they might be one of the worst "metal" bands out there



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