sorry for the title, nothing else would fit the character limit.
Incoming Pillorian comparisons...
Who am I kidding I'm gonna be comparing this to Pillorian every step of the way
Probably shouldn't surprise anyone, but there are obvious traces of Agalloch on this. Instrumentally there are some pretty solid ideas here, but the overall vibe of this really doesn't do it for me. I don't enjoy the vocals on this song personally. I will check out the entire thing when it comes out, but since Darius is allowing for Pillorian comparisons, Pillorian >
Digging: Dawn - Apparition
I'm definitely not feeling this, but maybe the rest of the album will be better? not holding my breath though
Digging: 1914 - The Blind Leading the Blind
I actually dig this. Definitely a way more colour- and playful approach than Pillorian imo.
"Incoming Pillorian comparisons...
Who am I kidding I'm gonna be comparing this to Pillorian every step of the way"
Why though, they sound nothing alike
Not big on the vocals/verses but I dig the drawn out instrumental parts
Although some of the instrumentals remind me of Serpent era Agalloch (which makes sense since it was their last album) which I know I'm in the minority here that loves that album
this is 30 times better yhan any agalloch
@scream I actually haven't jammed yet Im going purely off the basis of the members of each and how similar they may/may not sound to their former band
i see the comparison to serpent-era agalloch but i think this is a lot better
i'm really excited for this
Digging: Vanum - Ageless Fire
who cares about Pillorian when this is fronted by Aaron Gregory
song's a behemoth so/but I'll need a bunch of spins to let it sink in
is it gud give it to me str8 (forgot headphones)
Will be better than Pillorian, thats for sure.
Digging: Mylingar - Doda Vagar
it's great, i love the emotive riffs, the textures and the way the song progresses
it's quite reserved but it still works
I thought this was pretty shit. Did not like the vocals at all and everything sounded fuzzy and weak. The last few minutes were a decent jam, but sitting through 8 minutes to get there was not a good time.
Digging: Archgoat - Whore of Bethlehem
Why are the vocals mixed so shittily
not liking this , disappointed.
Pillorian wasn't that good either, but at least it was enjoyable.
I like it. I like it a lot.
I'm glad the "plastic coccon" part is really short because that little section just seems to make me cringe every time.
Having listened to this a handful of time now I have to say I generally like the musicianship/songwritting but I wish they went with a different vocalist...
This rules wtf guys
AJ is an acquired taste on vocals, I'll give you that.
yeah this is excellent and you guys need a boop on the nose
The death of Agalloch is reason enough to be salty.
Meh, don't know about the vocals and the mixing.
agalloch were dead anyways
What we really lost was John's ability to write interesting music.
interesting song and excited for more. The new style is really interesting tho I def didn't like the vocals much on the first listen.
Digging: Downfall of Gaia - Ethic of Radical Finitude
I dig this
Digging: Avantasia - Moonglow
I think Pillorian is fantastic - seriously.
came to the thread to bitch about the title but you apologized in the first comment
Pillorian seriously own. This, not so much. But then again I might just not like this as much because it's not as Agalloch-esque.
Digging: Buckethead - Sunken Parlor
pillorian released a banger but I think this is good in its own right too
This is good. Better than Pillorian and Pillorian were better than Agalloch
I actually like the vocals. Kind of looking forward to the album even though it's nothing like Agalloch
Pillorian rules you people are stupid.
Digging: Macabre Omen - Gods Of War - At War
You know, I hated this for like 4 minutes, but I think i'm into it now
Yeah dont know why everyone hated Pillorian like they were clearly pretty good
Not a fan of the vocals but musically it's decent. More interested in the upcoming Sculptured album tbh.
'Yeah dont know why everyone hated Pillorian like they were clearly pretty good' (2)
Because people (incorrectly) expected Agalloch mk II perhaps?
I'll definitely be checking this out.
Digging: Downfall of Gaia - Ethic of Radical Finitude
Not sure yet how much I like this track. It has a certain quality to it but some parts seem a bit lackluster
This was great tbh. Looking forward to the release.
Digging: Bonehunter - Children of the Atom
"plastic cocoons" section sounds straight out of Gazpacho's Demon
interest piqued at mention of Aaron John Gregory
That was stellar, looking forward to this.
""plastic cocoons" section sounds straight out of Gazpacho's Demon"
That part just seems like a cliché, cheesy modern prog trick. I dunno, really dislike that section. Luckily the rest of the song is growing on me though. Still not sold on the vocals although they bother me less than on initial listens and the mixing is kind of awkward at times but there is some great musicianship and ideas on display here
ass except for the last quarter
pillorian smokes this
Track is pretty damn good. Interesting pacing and guitarwork throughout. Doesn't sound like Agalloch at all. Much much more interesting than Pillorian. Definitely piqued my interest for the album
Aesop Dekker also kills it on this
idk, he still seems pretty basic bitch to me. overall this rules though.
Hell I actually like the vibe of this quite a bit. It's weird but...charming in a way? Definitely a unique atmosphere.
Vocals are kind of annoying though.
pillorian smokes this 
This ain't bad but yes so hard. Looks like Jon won out
Whoever was speaking on the vocals being an acquired taste, I can see that. The instrumentals are enjoyable, however.
Vocals are good.
If the rest of the album is this quality this will be leagues and bounds above Pillorian
I have mixed feelings on the vocals, might just be shitty mixing. I still like it a lot regardless.
Vocals aren't typical by any standards but they fit the music to me.
I feel like they could be mixed in a bit better though yeah
well, this is weird. some riffs sound almost "cute" lol, guitar tone amplifies that feeling too. also some parts reminded me of dinosaur jr. or something similar haha. it's really interesting, but it also lacks something. seems really disjointed too.
Frustratingly rough around the edges compositorically (meaning that there are a LOT of parts where one thing is thrown in after another and they don't fit together at all). Some nice bits here and there though for sure and it gets better as it proceeds. Last 3 minutes are fun.
Cool cover art tho.
The polarization of this song is fascinating
Compositorally? Is that a word? I think its "compositionally". #spellingnazi
I don't know. It's not my mother tongue.
Ah, what is?
"there are a LOT of parts where one thing is thrown in after another and they don't fit together at all"
funny, I always felt the same about Agalloch's music as a whole. But the individual parts are so good that it works, especially in Pale Folklore.
Pale Folklore is definitely guilty of it. The other ones, not so much, especially Ashes Against the Grain. That one's songs are very cohesive.
Quite like the music, the vocals are just bizarre though.
I like this way more that Pillorian tbh.
Standard Disclaimer: Am Very Drunk
As someone that loves Giant Squid, it's surprising to me how polarizing the vocals are. I think they're great. They are bizarre in the best possible way. I think a lot of the people criticizing this are expecting it to be very similar to Agalloch, which is understandable, but I love the direction this project is heading. I found Pillorian to be very unambitious, albeit well executed. This is something else entirely. Really looking forward to hearing the rest of it.
i was expecting nothing out of either band after ts&ts disappointed me but what john haughm/pillorian offered was just so typical. yeah it has some nice tracks and some great riffs here and there and sometimes i do spin it and enjoy it, it's by no means a bad record but it's nothing beyond that. i'm digging this far more than expected. there's so much going on and all of it hits as far as i'm concerned.
sounds like HIM and Immolation had a demented child
Feels like this is going to be like CCR's Mardi Gras. The band seems lost without John and does not sound like a cohesive unit. On first listen, nothing really grabbed my attention, the whole thing was pretty much meandearing with uninteresting riffs after riffs and pretty subpar vox. I have pretty much 0 expectations now so maybe I'll be suprised
Pillorian comparison are obligatory...Pillorian's debut was one of the best bm releases last year with great songwriting and atmosphere (albeit not the most original).
Digging: Rosetta - Utopioid
i cannot understand how anyone can say this (or the band as a whole) doesn't sound cohesive, it absolutely does.
Yeah, this is great. Much like TS&TS it's grown on me a lot with each listen
There's a lot to like in this song, though the vocal mix is really odd to my ears. I never liked Giant Squid much so I wasn't anticipating enjoying this at all though, but I am digging it. There are a couple of riffs in this song that make me realize how important the guitarist was to Agalloch and makes me realize why I find Pillorian so lackluster. Seeing Pillorian tomorrow night nonetheless.
Pillorian was pretty boring when I saw them open for WITTR
WITTR was kind of disappointing too though
Yikes the vocals
listening again, this is still really good. drum sound is kind of annoying though, especially the ride bell tinkatinkatinkatinka towards the end
"Pillorian was pretty boring when I saw them open for WITTR"
"WITTR was kind of disappointing too though"
get outta here
WITTR were pretty good when I saw them.
Just saw Pillorian close for Falls of Rauros. Pillorian was good but not great.
"WITTR was kind of disappointing too though"
yea that was my experience too. I've never listened to Wiegedood before that night when they were opening for WITTR, but those guys totally stole the show.
WITTR was at their best when they were playing Queen of the Borrowed Light, the rest was just ok
Wiegedood wasn't at the show but I’ve never listened to them
i'm low-key obsessed with this track
y'all jam the new track, Glacial Gold?
Nah, but now I will. I listened to this again and it was better the second time around. Still not sure how much I like it.
New song sounds like it wouldn't be out of place on a Giant Squid album.
"Nah, but now I will. I listened to this again and it was better the second time around. Still not sure how much I like it."
Give it a couple more tries. It's grown on me a lot
Well that put a big ole' grin on my face. I'm hoping the album is going to be greater than the sum of its parts. These tracks are at their best when they sound like Giant Squid tbh.
holy shit I think it's even worse than the first single. There's nothing original or any musical idea rich enough to sustain my attention (yeah there's a shallow Agallochy lead at 4 min so low and panned to the left it's laughable...). The only thing that's surprising about this is that nobody tried to stop that vocal performance and try to find somebody that could actually sing in key
How is he not in key? I actually think he sounds a lot better on the second song than the first. The sound they went for on that one suits his vocal style a lot better
Yeah please explain how he's not in key.
I have VERY limited background in musical theory, but let's take the first 2 mins for example. Assuming the song is in natural minor mode, his vocal lines are basically following the guitar lines for the first 2 mins or so right? But many times, he actually is not hitting the notes from the same scale (or key)in that mode, especially when he goes in a higher (ex. at 20-ish seconds) which creates a rather discordant "harmony" and makes me cringe really hard. I might be totally wrong but its the feeling I get...
I am not trying to be a dick, but I am a huuuuuge Agalloch fan (even TSATS) and I'm just really disappointed with this so far, not just vocally but musically as well. Plus, some of the mixing decision in terms of level and instrument panning are quite strange too
Assuming the song is in natural minor mode, his vocal lines are basically following the guitar lines for the first 2 mins or so right But many times, he actually is not hitting the notes from the same scale (or key)in that mode
he objectively is hitting notes on the same minor scale so i have no idea what you're talking about
Lol he's definitely objectively off pitch quite often on both this and the other song. Sure he's aiming for notes within the key, but ends up wavering around the actual correct pitches. It reminds me of what music would sound like if I tried singing. Just listen to 3:43 - to 4:00 for example. I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about this project but you guys have better ears than that, unless you're pedantically arguing key vs pitch
yeah he is not a good singer.
Upon 2nd listen of the new song I do hear some of what lalchimsite and dungeon are saying but not to the same extent I think and I do still think the sound of his voice pairs pretty well with that style.
Overall I like it (and I am also a huge Agalloch fan and probably the biggest TSatS defender on this damn site)
Salt streaming in full. Enjoy!:
Good looking out. Might jam that tonight.
AJ is the fucking man. Since Giant Squid dissolved, he's dropped Squalus and now this and both are great.
This was better than I expected. Going to have to jam it again, but I was pleasantly surprised on first listen.
I was going to check this, then subsequently forgot. Thanks for the reminder.
kinda surprised nobody jumped on reviewing this
Working on it. Probably done by the middle of next week.
My lukewarm reception to the first 2 singles has slightly warmed up since listening to the full album a few times. I still am not a fan of the vox, but I can get over them even if they are cringe worthy at times (Don't get me wrong, I dig diarrhea toilet vox DM or tortured cat in a forest BM vox and fist-in-the-sky operatic vox, but this is another style completely). Overall the project feels like the vessel for Don et al. to go all-in on the more experimental/progressive side of Agalloch which results in a totally different atmosphere than an Agalloch record.
Anyways, as always, multiple listens are always required to get a full grasp/enjoyment out of a record and it seems this one keeps growing on me everytime