No matter what, McTague is pretentious prick that preaches way too fucking much.

but this is old news kind of

Hah Underoath looks stupid...again. I love how he said they just "made things up"...when to me what he said about Ax7 was word for word.

This guy is such a tool.

"I'm not saying that's what Avenged does" - well yeah, they don't. I sure as hell don't listen to them because they have cool names.

And is it me, or did Tim start every sentence saying what he's not doing/what doesn't like? Sorta weird.

except if you listen to the interview you realise what he says is pretty cool

Mctague actually makes some good points, especially about the unbelievably overrated Metallica and Dragonforce, but he seems to be extremely close minded when it comes to music. I mean, he plays in a Screamo band for goodness sake! I mean, while I love Underoath, it's not technically the most impressive and high end music out there.

yeah, shredzilla i completely agree with you. im so sick of this conversation though.

He summed up all my thoughts about A7X

but he seems to be extremely close minded when it comes to music. I mean, he plays in a Screamo band for goodness sake!

I'm not really into Underoath, but the band probably deserves a little more credit then most people are willing to give them.

old but

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8829380/disorderly_conduct

avenged is pretty open about being....gimmicky I guess. I hold nothing against them personally but yea it does give light on where Tim stands despite being very...opinionated

I'm not Christian nor a big Underoath fan so I guess this he said she said debacle doesnt affect me in any way.

Underoath hasn't put out a good record since Dallas left.

except the last two were best

Not at all.

i like underoath but he sounds like a bellend

He makes some valid points but overall Tim comes off sounding like a d-bag. He always has been my least favorite member of UO.

And yes, underoaths last two records were their best.

Haha. If you are going to have a go at other bands or people, at least stand by what you said or think. He only comes across as a wanker because of the way he tried to blame the magazine for mis-phrasing what he said.

all i got to say is

Tim feel the burnageee

though he is right about A7X being a gimmick

A7X didnt used to be a gimmick. I honestly enjoy Waking The Fallen over any Underoath record.

shredzilla, that's the stupidest statement i've hever heard.

for one, if Underoath were actual screamo, they wouldn't be near as popular as they are now.

secondly, UO might not shred as much as A7X, but their songwriting is light years ahead of them.

thirdly, I wish this would stop. It's getting old. We all the know the members of UO, with the exception of Spencer, are all complete pretentious pricks. We also know that A7X haven't done anything worthwhile since Waking the Fallen (which I really need to re-rate) and that their image is so incredibly gimmicky that its hard to take them seriously.

I deny Underoath having greater songwriting than A7X. That's just false, well, up until self titled anywho.

act of depresion ftw, that album trashes anything a7x has made (with the rightfully exception of Waking the fallen)

not false at all. define the great line and lost in the sound of seperation mixes metalcore with elements of post-hardcore and post-rock and does it incredibly well.

build ups in too bright to see, too loud to hear and casting such a thin shadow are epic as hell, and they've always been pretty experimental with song structures.

i agree with myhighpie, also the only survivor was miraculously unharmed has such a a pretty intro, the only thing worth saving from late a7x could only be "a little pice of heaven" and its not cos its that good but cos it is the only time you actually see them aspiring for something more than just musical average-ness

We all the know the members of UO, with the exception of Spencer, are all complete pretentious pricks.

Underoath's new sound is hardly original and more of a smash my head into the wall borefest than I'd care for. To me anyways, I just dig their other shit, specifically their worst album and TCOT. Still, I'll always pick A7X over Underoath not because i'm anti-religious and furious but because of enjoyment factor.

well its mainly tim, and personally I dislike Aaron a lot, but I don't rly kno about the rest.

huge exaggeration on my part.

I mean I admire Underoath for going heavier and less mainstream but I was just a sucker for catchieness. I should listen to the last two Underoath records time permitting.

yes u should.

It's not less catchy. Its melodies are just less poppy.

I can tolerate Underoath. However, A7X is unacceptable, so I guess I will have to agree with this McTague fellow.

Aveneged Sevenfold is a horrible band. Seriously.

Sometimes I find them appropriate for a good laugh or two.

STFU fags.

Avenged Sevenfold are okay, WTF and CoE were good albums, though I personally can't really compare them to Underoath.

They got especially irritating when they released their 19th single from CoE.

I'm not a fan of either band. I don't think UO has any room to talk though cause they dressed like a bunch of scene queens before. I guess not any more, other than Aaron. Just for lulz if you never saw this....Cowboy Troy and A7X haha
http://www.imeem.com/cowboytroy/music/ncRPhRRG/cowboy-troy-buffalo-stampede-featuring-m-shadows-of-avenge/

Well, McTague comes out of this looking like the idiot, whether what he says in the interview are good points or not. He still tried to cover his tracks by pinning the blame on the magazine and failed to remember they taped the damn interview.

I mean, while I love Underoath, it's not technically the most impressive and high end music out there.

I love both Underoath and Avenged Sevenfold. I grew up listening and trying to learn both songs. There both decent song writers. If your gonna start labeling a band because they dont appeal to you then your just ignorant.

And by technically and impressive, there are alot of bands out there that dont get the credit they deserve. Between The Buried and Me, Protest The Hero, Psyopus, Cephalic Carnage, Ion Dissonance, just to name a small few. They all scrutinize all of there songwriting to the nearest detail. Something that either ax7 or underoath do. Example. Use of repetitive power chords in similar keys. You know Underoath last two albums sounded exactly the same. There both cool as shit, but to call it anything totally groundbreaking would be just foolish. And for avenged sevenfold, im not saying there songs are the easiest to play in the book, but they lack alot of originality, at least agree with me there.

Start listening to music that dont base there sound on songs. Listen to stuff that you can relate today as modern day composers, where the songs don't follow the same structure, and where artists are trying to be more creative. You'd be surprised what you would find.

Well well well.

1. Name one band that came before Underoath that sound like them.
2. Dallas or Spencer, either of those vocalists make A7X look like crap.
3. Lyrics, no comparison.
4. "Hey guys, you can shred pretty good, let's base our sound around good philharmonics and repetitive song structures." (Speculated quote)
5. Underoath...just Underoath. Honestly lol. Can't beat them.

"hypocritical much?

he made some good points, I like how he's honest"

No, I don't think what I said is hypocritical. I like anything from Death Metal to Jazz to stuff like the Beatles. His views seem to be that if you can actually play your instrument well, then your automatically not a good band. He seems quite stuck on the Punk genre in general.

"Umm, Underoath's a metalcore band sweetheart."

Meh....I'll just call em' Hardcore. They're hardly Metalcore in my book.

well then your book is retarded, because they are obviously metalcore.

......your mom's retarded!

......your face is retarded!

I aint going to join into this one pie.

Underoath are pretty boring bar a few songs, have annoyingly repetitive vocals, pretentious, etc. A7X destroy them, even if they made a few mess ups on S/T.

Timothy McTague = lying douchebag

I aint going to join into this one pie.

I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME!!!

Aveneged Sevenfold is a horrible band. Seriously.


100% agreement. Underoath aren't great, but they're nowhere near Avenged Sevenfold's assery.

I'm with ollie.

They're both shit bands with a few decent songs while Metal Hammer is an average magazine that I read sporadically.

Aveneged Sevenfold is a horrible band. Seriously.

haha look at me and my terrible username.

Start listening to music that dont base there sound on songs.

I aint going to join into this one pie.

I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME!!!

I'LL MAKE YOU PAY! YOU'LL SEE!!! I'LL RUIN YOU!!!

OO THATS SOOO CLICHE. haha

I DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE! I HAVE WAIOR, AND WE LOVE EACHOTHER AND WERE GETTING MARRIED!

Can I come to the ceremony?

sure you can be the flower girl.

Awesome, cant wait.

A7X sucks, Underoath is meh - argument is futile.

I feel the exact same about a7x. They are a joke.

tim kinda does come off as a prick. but i don't think the rest of underoath is. they seem like cool guys

But isn't he right? Avenged can definitely play. But their song writing is atrocious. Not that Underoath is worlds ahead of them, but he's definitely speaking some truth.

Underoath IS worlds ahead of them.

It seems to me that people who haven't heard Underoath just pin the label of "generic metalcore band" on to them. It's kind of ridiculous. Listen to them before passing judgment.

^^ i have never listened to Underoath before. Where would be a good place to start with them?

Define the Great Line

ooo Underoath got caught in a dirty lie, I think their next song will be how they are now going to hell for this...LOL

I like how people are judging this article on who is a better band, both bands have their high points, A7X (WTF and CoE) and UO(DTGL and TSOS), and their low points, A7X (S/T) and UO(TCOS). It really doesn't apply to this article though.

He's just jealous that A7X are way bigger than Underoath.

genre nazis need to stop sucking giant dicks and realize that to the normal observer Underoath would be classified as a 'screamo' or 'hardcore' band

no they wouldn't

did i mention the normal/casual observer? 95% of the people who hear an artist screaming in their music will consider that band a screamo or goth/metal band. they won't think 'hmm this is some interesting melodic hardcore', or 'wow, this post-punk is really pleasing to my ears'.

the majority of people don't give a shit about super-specific sub-genres, because they really do nothing but confuse. people will think in terms of rock, pop, punk, country, classical, alternative, etc.

ooo Underoath got caught in a dirty lie, I think their next song will be how they are now going to hell for this...LOL

the majority of people don't give a shit about super-specific sub-genres, because they really do nothing but confuse. people will think in terms of rock, pop, punk, country, classical, alternative, etc.

Underoath is such a sick band, and they're such down to earth dudes.

Lost in the Sound of Seperation is one of Underoath's better albums? Yeesh. I just rated it a 3...

Both bands are terrible, and this Tim guy's a douche. He would have been less of a douche if he had stood by his comments and not tried to back out of it like a little pussy.

Just my two cents...

The word "Douche" is thrown around to lightly

Haha, probably, I'm just too unoriginal to think of something else.

This guy is an idiot.
i like avenged but even besides the stuff he says about them, he just sounds stupid.
I like Underoath, but they're not like...anything crazy amazing IMO
Until your at the level of the Beatles or Metallica (Who this guy apparently never listened too) i dont want to hear you criticizing other bands.

"Until your at the level of the Beatles or Metallica (Who this guy apparently never listened too) i dont want to hear you criticizing other bands."


So it's only for bands to bash other bands once they reach a certain level of fame and have a huge fan base? Sounds like a load of B.S. to me.

I think if Tim was gonna due it he might as well have stood up for what he said instead of blaming the magazine for mis quoteing one word makes him look like a liar

Just let Tim say what he wants to say about other bands. Look anywhere on this site, including this very news post, and you will find people being even bigger douche bags. So stop being hypocritical.

lost respect for mh

i now hate underoath, he is such an ASS!! thinks hes a music messiah or something

You're a dumbarse. Die or do something to its equivalent.

this is all effing stupid...

lol i remember this, this was fun