Proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free... oh wait, wait....
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I haven't purchased an album in a while I feel kinda bad lol
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i saw this a couple days ago
pretty lame, and wtf kind of title is "intellectual property czar" fucking oxymoron
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thats terrible
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I'm moving to canada as soon as I can afford to moveThis Message Edited On 10.16.08
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I think Mr. Bush is trying to make everyone just a bit angry before he leaves office.
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intellectual property czar sounds like a cynic song title
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When the framers of the Constitution proclaimed this the "Land of the Free" they very clearly meant free music. Another case of
Bush ripping apart our ideas of freedom.
Idiots.This Message Edited On 10.16.08
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I am thankful that I am in Canada.
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wheres john wilkes booth when ya need em c_c
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It will eventually spill over into Canada.
I wanna move to NYC in a couple of years but this anti privacy shit will kill me.
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When the framers of the Constitution proclaimed this the "Land of the Free" they very clearly meant free music. Another case of
Bush ripping apart our ideas of freedom.
Idiots. Boo hoo hoo... if you can't see that the problem isn't that people shouldn't pirate shit, it's that the RIAA and other corporations are suing people for 100 times the cost per a song and now they're going to take people's computers and iPods. It's clearly a matter of these corporations using their power to abuse people. Yes, piracy is a a crime, but the coprorations are taking it too far.
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This is why I live in the UK (next to the fact that I have no choice)...
Seriously? Government's actually gonna repo equipment from about 70% of the population then at least...
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Oh, and Willie... well said. I gotta say, I don't like pirating, it makes me feel really guilty, what drives me is the hope that these corporations will stop and actually think that perhaps they are in the wrong.
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Thanks. I think people should have the ability to hear the entire album before they buy it, but that they should buy it if they're going to keep it.
The recording industry took advantage of people before the internet took off because they could package an album with two good songs and the rest filler and no one would even know until they had already paid for it. Then when CDs came out they were actually cheaper to manufacture, but the record companies never lowered their prices, in fact they steadily increased and they were still screwing their customers with filler material. That is one of the reasons they fought iTunes and didn't want to allow them to sell songs individually (but they had no choice since it was that or keep watching people download the two good songs from an album and not pay anything).This Message Edited On 10.16.08
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I think people should have the ability to hear the entire album before they buy it, but that they should buy it if they're going to keep it.
This is my opinion. Little 30 clips of songs don't show you anything.
If it's a band I'm not sure about I'll d/l it. If it's any good I'll buy it.
Places like Oink introduced me to a lot of new bands I never would have heard of otherwise. Bands, who are getting my money now.
I don't like Itunes because m4a format is crap IMO. Also when they first started allowing the purchase of individual songs the bitrate was garbage.
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I agree that 30 second samples aren't generally good enough. I'll try their official site, Myspace or Last.Fm before downloading the songs from the net. I've found a lot of bands through Last.fm actually.
I also agree that the m4a format is crap but I support iTunes anyway because apple isn't giving in to the record companies the way that Microsoft was going to. If Microsoft's online music distribution had taken off we'd have no freedom at all with our music.
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lol intellectual property tzar. i think bush has begun to get his titles out of star trek.
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like they can really catch everyone.
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Kanadakong. The city, the people...
This heritage moment brought to you by Iggy Pop.
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Willie: I agree Last.fm has been pretty good about the ability to hear entire albums.
The thing seems to be is the RIAA and such orgs take everything to the extreme immediately. The amount they were charging people for having the music was ridiculous and instead of trying to find a way to make the internet work to their advantage they shunned it.
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The thing seems to be is the RIAA and such orgs take everything to the extreme immediately. The amount they were charging people for having the music was ridiculous and instead of trying to find a way to make the internet work to their advantage they shunned it. And they're still trying to shun the internet or at least make it work so that they can still rip off their customers. Itunes has 85% of the digital music market, but the record companies still won't let them sell the music without DRM. They're trying to weaken iTunes by lettting everyone else (Amazon, etc) sell without DRM. The reason they're doing this is because Apple refuses to let them gouge their customers by selling popular albums for more than other albums. They also won't let them sell whole albums instead of single tracks and the record companies aren't liking it.
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I live in Canada, this does not matter to me.
*Goes to download Slayer album*
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I'm not gonna get into an argument about piracy. But for people to say this is an infringement on our freedom doesn't make sense. Same for saying Bush should be assassinated for this. Though John Wilkes Booth jokes can make me smile.
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This sucks.
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I'm not gonna get into an argument about piracy. But for people to say this is an infringement on our freedom doesn't make sense. The country song quote was a joke. It is infringement when the record companies are given the power to have our computers taken away, and they're given the power to ruin someone's financial situation for the rest of their life. Bush is simply ruling in favor of where the money is coming from.
Something needs to be done, but not what they're doing. Do you think any of the money they're collecting from these court cases is really going to the artists? What about those record labels that aren't part of the RIAA when the RIAA sues? Do they give those indie labels money when it's their bands being ripped off... no, they don't.This Message Edited On 10.16.08
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so basically if the government finds out that a computer has illegally downloaded music and movies on it, men in suits will go to ones house and take the computer away?
does that include the monitor?
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this is exactly why i have a zune pass, i pay 15 dollars a month, the price of one cd, and can download almost ne thing i want except for a few loners in the list i.e. metallica but i saw that coming. i pay for my music and as long as i pay my 15 a month i can keep the music but if i stop then i cant listen to it simple as that and i am completely fine with it and now it is a great solution to this bill...
*to zune users: get the pass its totally worth it*
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so basically if the government finds out that a computer has illegally downloaded music and movies on it, men in suits will go to ones house and take the computer away?
does that include the monitor? Exactly. I guess they'd have to take the monitor if it's a laptop or iMac or something.this is exactly why i have a zune pass, i pay 15 dollars a month, the price of one cd, and can download almost ne thing i want except for a few loners in the list i.e. metallica but i saw that coming. i pay for my music and as long as i pay my 15 a month i can keep the music but if i stop then i cant listen to it simple as that and i am completely fine with it and now it is a great solution to this bill... That is where you're wrong. Read up a little on these other companies (including Microsoft) that have simply pulled the plug on their digital music servers and left people with songs they can't transfer or listen to anymore.
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are you sure because i downloaded four albums today and listen to them just fine
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Anyone who disagrees with this needs to seriously kill themselves and any rights they had.
The recording industry took advantage of people before the internet took off because they could package an album with two good songs and the rest filler and no one would even know until they had already paid for it. Then when CDs came out they were actually cheaper to manufacture, but the record companies never lowered their prices, in fact they steadily increased and they were still screwing their customers with filler material.
This is why I respect you so much on this site Mr. Willie. Thought provoking new articles and a taste for great music. Willie for President!!!!!!!!! Or just come join our democracy in Canada!
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OH GOD WHERE IS THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL
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Ah, a country song. Sorry Willie.
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so basically if you are right i should definitly not synce with my pc so that they cant fuck me over cause literally half of my music is purchased through the pass, almost half were purchased and very few downloaded and if i lose half of my music cause of this i will kill someone not naming any names cause that would be illegal...
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No, the Zune store hasn't tanked yet. Look up their last music venture "Plays for Sure" when they were working with multiple mp3 vendors and simply pulled the plug when they lost interest in it. Or Yahoo Music pulling the plug on their customers and leaving them with nothing. So basically you're paying $180 a year for something that can be taken away on the whim of accounting or any CEO.
For Example: http://technologizer.com/2008/09/28/walmartcom-stiffs-its-music-customers/
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well hopefully they dont pull the plug then
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Yeah you guys should move to canada and pay a 50% income tax.
Or you could suck it up and pay a musician for doing their job. I'd rather give my money to the bands, not the government.
But that's just my opinion.
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They think it's fair to take physical property as a punishment? That has to be some sort of infringement of a person's rights.
I don't think Bush or Congress considered this bill thoroughly if they think that's a good idea
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Or you could suck it up and pay a musician for doing their job. then go to shows and buy merch. album sale revenue goes into labels at an obscene percentage that i can't recall
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then go to shows and buy merch. album sale revenue goes into labels at an obscene percentage that i can't recall That is true if they're on a major label, not so much if they're on an indie. Either way that's not a good enough reason because it's the labels that pay for recording, advertising, etc and if they're not seeing a return then your favorite band just got dropped.
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piracy involves sales. nobody here is making money off albums they rip.
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Piracy involves loss of sales. Piracy doesn't have to involve monetary gain.
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Seriously guys? Do you really expect the government to condone piracy?
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well piracy was already illegal but the provisions they've added are crossing the line
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No, and I don't really want them to. I want them to be a little more creative when coming up with ways to fix the problem or at least allow the punishments to be realistic and not these out-of-control dollar figures (and now confiscation) that they're talking about.
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Holy shit this came out of nowhere. And to all those people saying "I'm moving to Canada" our current PM is trying to pass a bill that will make your anti-piracy laws look like child's play
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I read about that. The corporations are pushing it everywhere and they have the cash to "convince".
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now i wanna hear abt the canadian one, childs play huh...
im listening...This Message Edited On 10.16.08
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Here's the link:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=ae997868-220b-4dae-bf4f-47f6fc96ce5e
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It's makes plenty of sense that they would take away devices used in illegal acts. It's just like getting busted for pot and having paraphernalia. They don't let you keep the pipe even though it's legal because it's used for illegal purposes.
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canada is also much, much lighter on police brutality cases.
france legally permits violence for proper detention of criminals.
and now america don't look so bad.
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we live in the information age
why should anyone pay for information?
FREE TORRENTS OR DEATH
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wow childs play is correct i could say...
"They don't let you keep the pipe even though it's legal because it's used for illegal purposes."
valid point...
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record companies get the huge majority of album sales and what not, so i'd rather support the artists by buying merch and going to shows. all of these laws are because the record companies are bitching about not making enough money.
most artists are only concerned about leaks and shit because it's not what they intended to put out. i don't understand why bands like metallica are the industry's bitch, but whatever.
and in response to masscows, has bush ever thoroughly considered anything he's done?
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I still think that album leaks of small bands that only tour a small area help them build a nice underground following that can grow.
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When the framers of the Constitution proclaimed this the "Land of the Free" they very clearly meant free music. Another case of
Bush ripping apart our ideas of freedom.
Idiots.
what the fuck are you bitches babbling about? artists make a living off their music. just buy an album every once in a while and don't be the dumbass that gets caught downloading. you're pretty much cool downloading shit anyway as long as you aren't stupid enough to try and sell it.
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and don't be the idiot who leaks anything (dillinger four)
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Ummm, why is everyone in here so fucking stupid.
Piracy, whether you like it or not, is stealing and i dont see how the government is infringing on your freedoms by enforcing the lawa against stealing. Just because you're taking the music on the internet versus in your hands doesnt mean its not stealing. The medium is irrelevant to the action.
You people are so unbelievably stupid. I'm sorry you might be inconvenienced though. i really really am.
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Intellectual property rights no longer exist. This is a fact. The government cannot change reality with their laws. Just another example of an outdated machine desperately fighting to cling to a tradition instead of progressing along with reality and creating new models for music/movie distribution.This Message Edited On 10.16.08
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I'm thinking this is the government's way of giving the recording industry a bit of a band aid during the recession
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Kage have you read Free Culture? because your response seems pretty much like the basis for that book
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Haha I was thinking something similar to the opening line as I clicked on the story.
canada is also much, much lighter on police brutality cases.
france legally permits violence for proper detention of criminals.
and now america don't look so bad.
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I don't think anyone should even try to respond to that.
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m glad 95% of the music i download is on indie label's. idk if that will keep me safe, but if the fucking US of A wants to come knockin on my door ill fight em
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I'm a little curious as to what the Intellectual Property Czar's priorities are going to be. Are people who download the most popular music, and movies, going to be the target, or is it just at random? I can't see them targeting people who d/l obscure death and black metal since they don't rake in the bucks like, say, Metallica, Slipknot, or any pop and/or hip-hop group does. I understand that piracy is, essentially, theft, but if I have the money and like an album, I buy it. You don't buy a car without test driving it first. Why can't that apply to CDs as well? (I know you can't keep a digital file of the car like you can music. Just sayin.) I generally delete stuff if I don't like it, and keep the stuff I plan on buying so I don't forget about it. I'm sorry if I love music, but can't afford to buy everything because I'm broke. Maybe if everything wasn't so damned expensive more people would purchase albums. Also, I wonder what the Czar listens to...
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Likely any big label artists. They don't care about the small guys cause they aren't paying them enough.
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I wonder why Bush wasn't killed at birth.
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Nobody gives a fuck about Willie's opinion.
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I hate the government.
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Kage have you read Free Culture? because your response seems pretty much like the basis for that book
I wrote that book.
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Nobody gives a **** about Willie's opinion. That's deep. Good thing you decided to participate.
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Canada probably will follow this soon, cause Stephen Harper (our prime minister, ugh) was just re-elected on tuesday, and that guy LOVES bush. Also, Canada isn't so light on music downloading anymore. A couple of months back a new law was passed, and if you infringe any copyrighted material including music, you could face fines of $500 per infringement (song).
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f*** this.
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Thank god for england not having an idiot like Bush in charge of the country. Oh wait we do just not on the same level of supidity lol. Is anyone suprised though. Of course Bush is going to pass bills in favour of big companies. They are the reason he is in office (he had the largest corperate campain fund in presidential history). Also I never doubt the stupidity of George Bush.
My profile pic has never been so valid (it was the American Idiot symbol)This Message Edited On 10.25.08
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Every CD I've bought in the last two years, I downloaded first. Before that I bought hundreds of dollars worth of CDs that I bought because i liked a song i heard or their last album and the albums SUCKED. So I started downloading to get a feel of the album and if it was really worth spending 15 bucks on, i went out to Best Buy or my local record store and threw down the cash for it. Maybe if record companies would stop putting out so much shitty music they wouldn't have this problem.
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Hello, geniuses...
THERE IS NO WAY THIS WILL BE WIDELY ENFORCED
Unless you are always available for download and have 500 gigs of stolen music do not worry.
This would be so ridiculously expensive to enforce, just another bill of BS Bush can put his name on
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And the Czar listens to "Drill Here, Drill Now!" on repeat
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Man our president needs to chilax, and pass that joint hes been on for a few years. He spends countless amounts of money on rediculous things. How much money does it cost to create a division against piracy, millions i'd say. Great now we can all get raped by companies who over charge us for something that is a tool of relieving bad emotions. Music isn't property, it's free flowing and has existed before money existed. 15 dollars a cd or album is rediculous. Maybe, if they lower their prices we'd all buy it. I know i'd be more inclined to pay for a $5 dollar album. Come, knock on my door and then i'll knock you out of my door way. This is one more waste of money that battles our right to the pursuit of happiness. God bless Americam, land against the free and home of the slaves.This Message Edited On 10.22.08
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