based rody

I hope eventually, BN get cancelled, stop touring forever, and never put out any more music

rody w

Kezia clears BN discog

fortress and palimpsest as well

Haven't heard anything since Scurrilous tbh but I will agree on Fortress

Oh let's fucking go Rody W

Kinda surprised that people are sleeping on pacific myth tbh, caravan might be one of their best songs ever

pacific myth is pretty good too yea

Kezia and Fortress forever clear [3]

less notable is how rody carried abandon all ships to their best song

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Palimpsest is incredible as well. Easily their best since fortress

Common Rody W

Scurrilous is their best but either way based Rody

Based Rody based commenters in this thread.

kezia is a generational album tbh

they wrote that shit when they were 17-19, absolutely nobody sounded like them and they came from a small suburb in ontario

canada stuff aside, they’re pretty cool

Scurrilous is their best [2]

Peak album.

closest thing to Kezia at the time was probs Fast Forward Eats the Tape (which not coincidentally is a hugely based and massively slept on record)

this thread is a lot better then i was anticipating. nice work sput

I always forget PTH exists, so thanks for reminding me. Amazing band

Brand New (derogatory)

@johnny sweet band and album, i would say they have some crossover but are more like propagandhi/a wilhelm scream (who also had crossover)

luke hoskin is legitimately my favorite riff writer of all time, dude is an absolute genius

i'm also going to shamelessly plug my own cover because this is timely and i just put it up a few days ago https://youtu.be/B_SLY5oL8O4?si=cZist-CusZVWbQ3e

Seeing Brand New next week, can't wait

Hope you slip in fucking diarrhea and break your jaw, proudly declaring this after reading the room really speaks to the what kind of person everyone at that show is going to be. Sure you'll all be jerking each other off in front of as many minors as you can locate.

Way to stoop to their level Jizzcum!

I'm actually comfortably at a much higher level, still hoping they fucking slip in diarrhea. Thumbsup.

Sure you are

Really would be a shame if people just showed up to these Brand New shows with piss jugs and hurled them into the crowd and covered everyone in piss. Not trying to give anyone ideas just damn that would be a shame.

Still have never jammed PTH damn.

hawks tf man

start with kezia and fortress

Fortress has some of the sickest guitar playing of any record ever

my two favorite songwriters of the 90s/00s were mark kozelek and jesse lacey

"@johnny sweet band and album, i would say they have some crossover but are more like propagandhi/a wilhelm scream (who also had crossover)"

you know, now that you mention it, you really *can* draw quite a few parallels between kezia and ruiner, huh? well, shit, that explains a lot.

Guess I got a peep that Ruiner

Never jammed AWS outside of Career Suicide, but that's a fun album that I got to too late. Will check Ruiner sometime

oh Ruinier is the AWS album I thought it was a band/related to FFETT which I was thinking I'd have to check/still going to look into. Yeah Ruiner is a sick album AWS are a rly fun band all around. Ruiner and Career Suicide def my most listened. the king is dead FUCK! Rly takes me back.

ruiner fucking slaps. mute print as well

wilhelm is GOAT status, shame their latest didn't live up to partycrasher. but they've been at it for even longer than pth

The YT comments do NOT pass the vibe check. Really makes me worry about people sometimes.

Common Protest W tho.

brand new superfans are either 30-40 year old men who used to groom young girls themselves or 30-40 year old girls who wish they were 16 again

everyone else seems to recognize their place in music history (because there's no denying they were significant) but do not openly support lacey

Sorry ShapeOfJizz, I like the music and I don't equate that to support of Jesse Lacey's obviously horrific behavior. I can understand that not everyone is going to fall on the same side of that moral line, but calling me a pedophile and wishing violence for me sure did show me the error of my ways. Also Protest has sucked ass since Kezia and Rody has always been a prick.

Again, you knew exactly what you were doing when you read the room and chose to post what you did the way you did. Have fun at the show! I'm sure everyone there will be super cool and not get piss on them.

Rody's obnoxious but a prick?

HARD ROCK, HARD DUDES PLAYING HARD ROCK AND THEY ARE ROCK HARD!!!!

Very prick move to suggest that someone should not be afforded the stage they used to groom children.

So you're not in support of a groomer, but you're going to a concert which is financially supporting him... something doesn't compute here, cap'n.

Like at least have the decency to quietly feel bad about it and not proudly announce it to the thread of people correctly shitting on him along with the also correct Rody is all I'm saying

And if you forgo said decency may you also welcome my hope that you slip in shit etc.

"Sorry ShapeOfJizz, I like the music and I don't equate that to support of Jesse Lacey's obviously horrific behavior"

You're quite literally putting money into his pocket just by going lmao.

okay

Rody is a really good dude, he just expresses it in an obnoxious way that some people don’t like.

I like it though.

violets no one is asking you to stop listening to BN, just don't monetarily show your support to his behavior by attending their shows jfc

good thread to weed out more weirdos than who came out in the brand new thread with their mouth around jesse’s pedophallus

Super stoked that Protest have been playing a new song on their tour. Hopefully that means a new album will come out some time this decade lol

common rody W

I never thought you’d support a sexual deviant, ShapeOfJizzToCum

stan Twice, don’t go see brand new

"Still have never jammed PTH damn."

Hawks bro you gotta change that, Kezia and Fortress are amazing albums

stan Twice, don’t go see brand new

Also here to bully Hawks into listening to PTH.

Kezia
Fortress
Palimpsest
Volition
Scurrilous

yt comments are a groomerfest lol

Kezia and Fortress unmixed and unmastered clear BN’s entire discography without problems.

Man I haven’t cared about either of these bands in years, maybe some relistens are in order

love rody so much, seeing them last week gave me so much life. was so sad it had to end : /

Brand New stuff aside, this Rody guy seems like a real douche

why

Pickle just trying to retain his crown as worst user on the site.

i know nothing about Pickle but i already hate him

ah yes the Sput hivemind of collective opinion where nobody questions what they actually think about things

ANOTHER ONE

“ah yes the Sput hivemind of collective opinion where nobody questions what they actually think about things”

Ahh yes the hive mind of not supporting a potential groomer/pedophile. How incredibly woke of us.

no wonder you named yourself after the dumbest trend of the 2010s good grief

I never said I supported him

are we supposed to disagree with one another just to have ~variety~ or w/e?

of all things this should be what we're all united against

guys he's an ephebophile!!!!

The boy who should’ve blocked his own shot

can't stand what i've heard of pth's music but at least the members seem cool

few people i've seen say theyre going to the concert avoiding this thread I see lol

Ahh just a calm, civilized threa- Oh, someone's already threatened to assault concert-goers. Nice.

hell yeah brother

lol

Oh shit! Sorry Spec, I forgot how much of a crybaby bitch you are. I always seem to strike a nerve with you cause god forbid I have an opinion about something.

The Man Who Didn't Block His Own Cumshot in Front of Minors

scurrilous more like skibidilous

PickleVai17 more like DickleGai(pronounced gay)13(cause he likes 'em young)

Kill is right Brand New is a gay ass band

Well some of this got needlessly aggressive. Dont support sex pests and pedophiles

I think everyone here agrees with that.

No they don't. Giving him money is support.

That's fair enough

Yeah idk it's not a hard concept to grasp. I've been a long time Inquisition fan and consciously decided not to buy any albums or merch of theirs (once Dagon was outed as a massive pedo) from there on out with the mindset that people who commit such weak disgusting atrocities as sexualing and, even worse, enacting sex acts upon children do not deserve life let alone a livelihood. It's incredibly easy to not fuck children. Honestly this is like the Kendrick vs Drake beef of the alternative music world

I will not stand for the Volition erasure. Best PTH.

i need to listen to Protest the Hero. based Rory

somebody please get Sowing on the phone so I can make sense of all this!!


where is sowing.... =(

Virgin Brand New vs Chad Protest the Hero

"The Man Who Didn't Block His Own Cumshot in Front of Minors"

fuckin hell lol

I always thought Brand New was just a poor man’s As Cities Burn anyway

which itself is a poor man's paramore, so

"Also, people want to forget how common it was in the 00's for teenagers to date men in their 20s. Parents supported such behavior, including one of the girls accusing Jesse of said grooming."

Straight from the YT comment-section, the mental gymnastics these imbeciles have to go through to support dudes in their late 20's salivating over 8th graders (recent allegation) is batshit insane. Fuck outta here with that non-sense.

Parents supported such behavior,

hate pth but w fosho

This whole conversation wouldn't be an issue if the good people just made better music

brand new hasn't made good music since 2003 and that is. what we call. a fact.

wig!

>Parents supported such behavior,

The president is a serial sexual abuser, the entire system supports this behavior.

Fun thread

Yawn. Call me when they uncover something we didn’t already know about that’s not decades old.

ITT- people who wanted to shit talk brand new for years and finally have an excuse to do so lol. I took my break from this band and reckoned with it. Dragging up and beating this dead horse is just kinda unnecessary.

he tried to fuck kids. thats never gunna be a dead horse.

That yawn is obviously signifying sexual perversions.

Man I’d love to see them live! Y’know, if he’d never fiddled those kids

Technically he didn't try to bellovddd, he only wanted to! Only told them he wished they were older so they could be together and married. That means it was okay.

Comatorium never misses a chance to be an absolute piece of shit

The simping and water-carrying that some of you grown ass men do for a guy who yells bad lyrics into a microphone is five dimensions of pathetic.

^word

Every night you were tripping out
In the morning you were coming down
If it's breaking your heart, if nothing is fun
Don't lose hope, my son
This is the last one

someone post an article on seeyouspacecowboy allegations as well pls

Hoping someone has an unfortunate accident and hurts themselves and gets covered in shit/piss =/= threatening violence but I understand how reading comprehension is difficult for the handful of people telling on themselves in this thread.

Thread hasn't disappointed!!! Brand New sucks!

jizzy why are the people on the receiving end of those comments the ones with car crash reading comp chops how could this be i despair

also

"Call me when they uncover something we didn’t already know about that’s not decades old"

>More recent allegations pertaining to a relationship from 2006-2007 (2025; CN: pedophilia, grooming, solicitation of child pornography)

huh

Dedes hit the nail on the head up there.

On the bright side, this thread is reminding me how much i love A Wilhelm Scream

Yawn.

Hey Jonny what’s it like being fantano if none of his dreams came true?

Every comment you leave is either hostile or negative and not a single person on this site remotely enjoys your presence. Turn off the computer and go outside.

Also Fantano looks like Fantano if none of his dreams came true

Crashoutatorium

no idea why people continue to support Jesse, or Tim Lambesis for that matter.

Nostalgia is a dangerous drug

I don't need artists to be paragons of virtue. I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the greatest art was created by artists who were deeply flawed, sometimes reprehensible people on a personal level. Life is a travesty and it deeply fucks people up and when those people who have been fucked up make art it tends to be the most interesting. On top of which Lacey already wrote at length about his struggles with sex addiction and how his behavior nearly ruined his relationship and his life -- I mean how much self-effacement can somebody express in their lyrics and still surprise people when he does in fact have skeletons in his closet? Dude wrote albums literally called "Fight Your Demons" and "The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me". I think he's paid his pound of flesh but obviously there is no retribution in the eyes of some -- a bunch of priggish moral grandstanders.

i love how whenever coma comments something dumb everybody comes together to communally declare "nobody likes you"

“Hey Jonny what’s it like being fantano if none of his dreams came true?“

you don’t get to decide what is and isn’t a dead horse whilst still trying to make this a thing

pennyroyal dick riding to an unreal degree

Imagine unironically using the word "priggish" while accusing people hating on a pedophile to be grandstanders lol

they not like us

Kendrick-Drake was only such a unanimous blowout bc the 'ethical' side was also the unequivocal side of musical quality. I maintain that it was more about watching a bad musician get dunked on by an undisputed all-time great than it was some great societal statement against sexual misconduct.

It would be hard to argue that Protest the Hero is a more artistically significant band than Brand New. Maybe if it was Radiohead saying this, it would be a parallel.

radiohead also kind of suck as people

Numbers-wise (ugh lol) that can't be argued, but that's the least interesting comparison one can make.

Brand New have some bangers, to be sure, but they've also garnered a lot of pull from Jesse being a self-loathing sadsack. Protest have pushed themselves artistically just as far while having far more interesting subject matter and being fun. Allegations aside (lol), I would still take Protest over Brand New.

If anyone could use a visit from the Prison Priest, it's Jesse

also yea kezia is a way way more impressive album creatively than tdag

He paid his pound of flesh by going into self-imposed exile while fans continue to glaze the fuck out of him while handwaving his actual behaviors. Apparently writing shitty lyrics about how you're a shitty person is enough for his mouth-breather fans to go, "ya know hasn't Jesse suffered enough?"

Maybe ask all the fucking KIDS that he's tried to groom whether or not Jesse has paid his pound of flesh. Fucking sycophantic dickriders.

Thank God sputnik was provided another thread to hash this out in

>a bunch of priggish moral grandstanders.

Don't make bring in the Catholic church.

"Thank God sputnik was provided another thread to hash this out in"

was thinking of making a list on the subject so we had another, what you think

Please do so we don't have to bump their albums

lol now there's a point

"I always thought Brand New was just a poor man’s As Cities Burn anyway"

"which itself is a poor man's paramore, so"

out of all the shit that was said here this interaction is by far the most disgusting thing i have read, how honestly dare you say that about ACB, Paramore could never.

also fuck jesse lacey and the rest of Brand New for not ditching his sorry ass.

@Tim Yes. The more the merrier

@jr Point. Counterpoint.

As Cities Burn wishes they were as sick as Paramore, agreed.

both bands were pale shadows of themselves on their most recent LPs so i don't feel the heat

Seeing Brand New next week, can't wait [2]

Yeah ACB had the 2 perfect albums and I don’t count the recent one. That’s another project as far as I’m concerned. The comparison to Paramore confuses me though. Give me one song from each that have the most similarity to each other.

But on the topic of Brand New, yeah he’s a diddler, but the only justice comes from whether or not the shame of being in the public eye outweighs the money they make from touring. So you can say it’s grotesque to give them any idea ticket or merch money, but they use real buses that have air stems and windows and stay in hotels each night. Prove that they don’t belong

donald trump got elected and is in office, prove he doesn't belong

[redacted]

one thing I will say for Trump is that he gives us music fans further ammunition against the whole ‘most popular doesn’t necessarily equal most good thing’

thread is probably a hoot, will check

Seeing Brand New next week, can't wait [2]

Protest the Hero's music kinda sucks ass tbh but this is incredibly based, wish more musicians would call others out publicly for shitty behavior. I love Brand New's music (most of it anyway) and will continue to listen to it whenever I feel like I want to hear it (which, admittedly, has become less and less over the years) but certainly have no interest in further financially (or physically/morally?) supporting Jesse & co., certain things are beyond retribution in my eyes, child predation being one of them, so it would've been just dandy had he figuratively disappeared forever ca. 2017 when all this stuff broke and lived out his life as a hermit or whatever.

Others may not agree, others might think any person is worthy of absolution, I've also no problem with people who feel this way, but would generally expect the same courtesy in return and believe they don't have much of a leg to stand on when arguing that artists don't deserve "this sort of treatment" because they "paid their dues/debt" or whatever. If you don't want to be called out for the rest of your life for being a child predator then, uh, don't pray on kids? Or at least have the testicles to own, accept, and refrain from whining about the lifelong barrage of shit that will inevitably and rightfully come your way if you do?

I guess the most surprising (vile?) thing here is how some people legitimately believe Jesse is somehow the victim in this story now. I challenge these people to imagine a hypothetical scenario where this story breaks and their own underaged daughter is the one on whom Jesse has been praying. Would they still be lined up to buy tickets for his next show? (And I say that fully aware of the braindead parents in the article who apparently did facilitate this wankery and imo that's a crime as worthy of punishment as the grooming itself.)

Cool thread.

Insanely based tec post

He could use more space in his comments.

Hit return twice once in a while.

people in here declaring they're going to a Brand New concert like they're part of some pedophilic counterculture movement

Edited just for you, Eggy.

Yea it's priggish grandstanding when what he actually did is amplified into something he didn't actually do so that the argument can be that anyone who doesn't think he should be burnt at the stake is supporting said not-real-action. And no I'm not even much of a fan of Brand New but of course that's the only justification that can be made, 'Oh you're just hand-waving his actions because you like the band' -- but I can, in fact, argue against mob mentality cancel culture without arguing for bad actors.

Either way the court of public opinion will hold its sway, since he's not indicted for anything in the court of law so far as I'm aware. Either people show up or they don't.

lol bro really said "I'm actually not a fan of the band but I need to defend the grooming"

Yeah no nice try though

"Either way the court of public opinion will hold its sway, since he's not indicted for anything in the court of law so far as I'm aware. Either people show up or they don't."

Oh great, this stupid argument again.

"amplified into something he didn't actually do"

you are saying that he groomed underage girls and solicited them for nudes *but* because he never pulled any irl fast ones while they were under 18, this is all an entirely separate category of forgivable

you are full of shit

"but I can, in fact, argue against mob mentality cancel culture without arguing for bad actors."

And what exactly are you accomplishing by doing this other than making it look like you're kowtowing for a predator? You're asking that we reconsider not wanting to blast Jesse into the sun, because, what? Cancel culture is bad or something?

See this is the bullshit with contrarian shit like this. You say a whole lot of stuff but never actually communicate a point or goal. You argue for its sake and not for anything substantial. This is not a scenario where some guy is being accused without cause. It's you who are choosing to diminish the issue at hand because you think you're rightfully standing against something.

But really you're just in the fucking way.

Anytime someone cries "cancel culture" or "mob mentality" like this, 9 times out of 10 I roll my eyes

"Anytime someone cries "cancel culture" or "mob mentality" like this, 9 times out of 10 I roll my eyes"

Especially when there is more than enough evidence to prove this guy is a genuine creep and piece of shit. However, because he is not in jail or indicted in the court of law, this automatically means they're free of the allegations according to these people and it's all cancel culture.

[2] to that. Trying to play devil's advocate for a kid diddler is... a look, for sure

just be grateful the only people left doing this are occasional trash users and that we're no longer in the days of it going as far as literal site mods

The Logic and Reasoning are Failing Inside Me (not me tho)

Casey Anthony was never formally convicted but you gonna let her babysit yr kids?

"but I can, in fact, argue against mob mentality cancel culture without arguing for bad actors"

can you though? haven't seen much of an argument from you, just whining

it's CANcel culture, not CANTcel culture!

Can't say I'm surprised how this thread turned out tbh.

True but as Johnny said, you can count the amount of people who are genuine pieces of shit on one hand in this thread as opposed to ages ago where it would almost look like a 50/50 carpet bomb.

Yeah I'm absolutely happy that it seems the majority of users here are in solidarity against child groomers. Definitely side-eying some other people here though.

wait, is making new accounts possible again?

Don’t let Seth Tobin be your baby sitter

just what we needed, another brand new thread

"wait, is making new accounts possible again?"

I wish.

Never got to make my Shapeofpeensinmybutt alt

Why has that ratio decreased over the years? Did the Brand New diehards just stop checking the website? Are we just more numb to the idea of Lacey being a bad guy? It feels almost inaccurate for what you'd expect out of the site demographics and the ratings of Brand New albums.

I came here to see how Sputnik would respond to one of its favorite artists getting flamed and was mildly surprised to mostly just see PTH music talk. Still no SowingSeason input eh?

"Are we just more numb to the idea of Lacey being a bad guy?"

i think it's probably this. eventually they've got to come to terms with it right

He goes by Sowing these days

Sowing's proven his takes on this situation are the lowest of the low so literally the best thing he can do is not open his mouth. There are some abhorrent reciepts of him defending Lacey

it also makes sense to me that sowing would choose not to comment on this -- he might still have a lot of conflicting feelings about this band, given that it was such a big part of his music taste growing up and maturing

In the way of what homie, the lynch mob? The Knights Templar gonna trample me?

Do people not grow? Lacey did this shit when he was in his 20s and none of it was made public til he was like mid-40s or something.

And how is my 'argument' about the court of public opinion stupid? Is that not the exact implement you're trying to wield to inflict a semblance of justice? You and many others feel he shouldn't be able to make a livelihood because of past misdeeds, and I suppose think others shouldn't even have a choice in the matter. But this is why laws of governance exist, is because public opinion is easily swayed and prone to overly punitive reactions, and there's a reason we have expressions like 'sending someone to the Guillotene' and 'witch-burning', is because such demonstrations generally turn out to be a debacle.

Funny how so much of the 'concern' or admonition of other people critical of what I'm saying is about how they appear, huh. "It certainly is a look", etc. Wonder why that is.

what other thing should they say about you? it's an indirect way of calling you abhorrent, they're not implying that appearances are all they care about

Doesn't look like anything to me.

"Do people not grow?"

Well, Jesse would prefer if they didn't

why is it that the idiots wasting their breath on the court of public opinion conveniently forget to include any engagement with the credibility of the allegations in the lines upon lines of generalised bs they think any of us are going to make it to the end of

I think it’s inherent in the word choice. I haven’t seen much argument that tries to discuss why my opinion is abhorrent or immoral, beyond just being told it “looks bad” in so many words. I don’t feel any shame about my opinion. Make character judgments about me all you like, I don’t really care.

Also not sure why I am obligated to provide a set ‘goal’ with ‘contrarian shit like this’. I guess the goal would be suggesting people don’t mobilize to ruin people’s lives without any due process, and basically attack anyone who disagrees with that notion. But, shocker, my comment on a music site doesn’t have much of an agenda.

If we wanna discuss hand-waving I love people hand-waving away the ambition that we abide by a system of justice rather than just destroy anyone that enough people just decide as a collective is probably a creep and a piece of shit.

I’m not sure what the credibility of the accusations have to do with it. Not even Lacey denied the allegations.

Also Odal since he was a groomer ostensibly he did want them to grow up, right?

if he didn't deny the accusations then what are ya wafflin in here about brother

If you don't want to support Brand New, I think that's fine, maybe even good. Sometimes the court of public opinion is the only repercussion for bad actions. If you do choose to support them hopefully you're giving them the benefit of the doubt that they've grown and are trying to live better lives. Maybe they don't deserve that much charitability. Maybe the appropriate punishment for Jesse's actions is permanent banishment or maybe behind closed doors Jesse is still a scumbag. I don't really know, I just don't think anyone should throw piss on anyone over it.

ugh so many good points being made on both sides. Tell you what, I think 7 more years of threads like this and I might be able to decide if Jesse Lacey is good guy or bad guy

"Also Odal since he was a groomer ostensibly he did want them to grow up, right?"

seemingly only for legal reasons.

Has Jesse even brought up returning as a touring band? Playing for family and friends as a charity is one thing, it comes off disingenuous when they announce pretty pricey dates it just looks like hes fleecing really enamored, gullible fans. Its the opposite of growth or change. It wouldn't have even been an issue if Jesse didn't put himself in the same exact situation as before.

i'd bet jesse is a big persona guy

"i'd bet jesse is a big persona guy"

what the hell does that have to do with anything?

This thread doesn't seem anywhere near as entertaining as it could've been after a cheeky skim read. Someone summarise. Usual shit, different year?... or have we grown as a community and finally accepted that this guy doesn't deserve the fans that (seemingly still) endure?

> i'd bet jesse is a big persona guy

persona mentioned. What the fuck is a bad soundtrack?

"Also not sure why I am obligated to provide a set ‘goal’ with ‘contrarian shit like this’. I guess the goal would be suggesting people don’t mobilize to ruin people’s lives without any due process"

your honor in my clients defense he was just being cringe.

In all seriousness, mfs being like "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO PUBLICLY OUST HIM FROM USING THE SAME PUBLIC PLATFORM THAT ALLOWED HIM TO BE A PREDATORY PIECE OF SHIT"

miss me with that shit

“(seemingly still) endure?“. They’re selling out large venues around the country. They still have tons of fans

Personally I cancelled Brand New after the lyric “I want to kill and eat my young”

I cancelled BN due to their bad music

“They’re selling out large venues around the country. They still have tons of fans”

Sad state of affairs.

Wish I saw the light of them being bad when I desperately tried loving them in high school

Leaving a quick Fuck Brand New so there's verifiable evidence that I am on the right side of Sputnik history.

""i'd bet jesse is a big persona guy"


What the hell does that have to do with anything?"

Presumably he would love that his self-insert MC gets to date high schoolers

"How many minors have you diddled?"

what kind of strange, autistic question is this? none? and neither has jesse lacey for that matter - he was a creepy groomer 20ish years ago and im not going to defend that, but i feel like this weird revisionism does the victims a bit of an injustice. much like me going to see them next week does. does that make me a hypocrite? probably, but it doesn't make me a "minor diddler" and two wrongs don't make a right

i hope they play Artist in the Ambulance

How is that an autistic question? Sounds like a deflection.

Here's my 2 cents.

"i'd bet jesse is a big persona guy"

"what the hell does that have to do with anything?"

Don't you play as a bunch of high schoolers in those games? That tracks.

yeah all love to persona, but it's *just wanna be 16 forever* material if you want to ruin it that way

"what kind of strange, autistic question is this?"

As the parent of a struggling autistic son: What kind of strange, neanderthal attempt at an insult is this? Not sure what it is even meant to imply. Really does make you look like a fucking asshole, though.

I caught up.

“of all things this should be what we're all united against” [2]

There’s a mob cause there’s smoke and there’s smoke cause there is fire. He admitted to all this so I’m not sure what “due process” he deserves or needs

Anytime anyone brings up “no real charges in court” immediately proves their ignorance of life in general and you can move on with your day.

“"Do people not grow?"

Well, Jesse would prefer if they didn't”

^ fucking killed me lmaoooo

These types of threads fascinate me though. Like that because he was a pedo but didn’t sexually act upon it he’s in the clear and we should ignore any mental travesties he committed to others.

Just blows my mind some perspectives that are willfully clutched onto

everything that's been done will be done again, and again and again - rust cohle

Kinda hard to use the whole "innocent until proven guilty" excuse when the accused literally admits to it all.

Can't wait for you bozos to attend BN shows and sing along to his lyrics while refusing to recognize he's likely talking about the agony in his boner from how desperately he wants to touch kids. There's no separating art from artist when the content of his music is a direct reflection of his past actions.

Maybe he'll interlude with a song about how it's no good diddling kids.

This is not music a 40 year old should be going to see anyway. Leave this shit in your sad past where it belongs.

^ this is the one

And yet you got a bunch of grey balls on here happily lapping up whatever this dumbass band does.

Devil and God are raging inside you? Bitch that's called indigestion. Grow up.

lmao

Go for a walk instead. Care for your back and knees.

someguest nailed it

Nah, not really. I went and saw Forests last year, it was a lot of fun. Brand New aside, I'm not going to stop going to those kinds of shows so I can achieve some shallow and artificial sense of maturity.

more like Protest The Weirdo

^comment of the year potential

lmao

I had my first session of getting my Deja Entendu tattoo lasered off two weeks ago. I'm kind of annoyed with how long it'll take but thankfully I should only need around 6 sessions to get it lightened enough to easily cover it. I'd been thinking about doing it for a while and that last blog post that came out about Jesse with the 15 year old girl was enough to get me to finally just do it.

LightAndBased agreed

Shit hurts like hell in the moment but I'll just be glad to have it off my body. Part of me is sad because it was my first tattoo and I've had it for 14 years but it's been tainted anyway and I'm always self-conscious about it at shows because I don't want to seem like a Lacey supporter.

"Brand New aside, I'm not going to stop going to those kinds of shows so I can achieve some shallow and artificial sense of maturity."

Keep saying that enough and you'll convince yourself it's true.

Dudes will think they're mature for not going to an emo show and then never learn how to communicate properly with the people in their lives.

Jesse Lacey communicated that he groomed children yet grown men continue to listen to his shit music and pay money to see him whine at shows. I mean, keep on fucking going man I can do this shit all day. You have zero moral ground to stand on regardless of how smart and above it you think you are.

shut up shamus

It ain't about maturity, it's about moving on. Every deadbeat dad wishes he was 16 again. Grow or die.

once you hit 35 you should only go to orchestral arrangements agreed

only at seated venues and with intermissions

I see you two are big on critical thinking

I'm in agreeance with your comment above about moving on from watching your high school jams be performed by washed up deadbeats twenty years on and more making a crack at how people usually prefer seats at shows as they age (also thought the stereotype of old people enjoying the orchestra was chuckle-worthy), sorry that wasn't clear but uh go off queen

its one thing if you got a bunch of MCR posters in your bedroom at 40 or whatever but if you want to go see some band that was popular when you were in your teens who cares

Defending a pervert because you screamed his lyrics in your room 20 years ago ain't it

It's literally the same sentiment except one is externalized and the other internalized. It's still the fucking same lol. Shit, I'd rather have a poster of MCR on my wall at 40 cause at least that band promoted something other than histrionics and feeling bad about the bad things you've done.

Showing up to a BN show and singing along to:

Hey hey hey! Mr. Hangman
Go get your rope
Your daughters weren't careful
I fear that I am a slippery slope

Doesn't make you more mature than wishing Gerard Way goodnight when you go to sleep at night.

i didnt say anything about brand new

"i see you two are big on critical thinking"

"its one thing if you got a bunch of MCR posters in your bedroom at 40 or whatever but if you want to go see some band that was popular when you were in your teens who cares"

ok yeah see there's the problem, you're actively giving them (brand new, who this argument is about) money and encouraging them to keep on with the status quo so yeah anyone with a moral spine may care

Do better. We know what your dumbass was referring to.

I mean, if, hypothetically, Lacey wasn't a pervert, but the general timeline of events otherwise played out the same (i.e., hiatus in 2017, unexpected/surprise tour announcement 8 years later), I would definitely be going. Maybe that makes me a sadsack, run-of-the-mill 35-year-old clinging to hard to shit that made me feel things when I was an angsty college student or whatever but like I mentioned previously—I did (and still do) like the music. Like what you like. Age shouldn't prohibit someone from enjoying the music they choose to enjoy and everything that entails.

Being a certified, proven groomer changes that a bit, though, innit.

"This is not music a 40 year old should be going to see anyway. Leave this shit in your sad past where it belongs."

believe this is the original comment where we got off on this tangent, which obviously broadens it past brand new. its like 10 comments above surely you can retain that much information and keep the context

Yeah nothing wrong with still liking, hell loving music from those years. It just shouldn't be your only personality trait. Defending a band endlessly are usually those kind of people.

i agree with that

let the record show that someguest is merely virtue signaling and doesn’t really care about pdf files

Tickets for tonight selling as low as $9. Maybe the demand isn't there?

https://lambgoat.com/news/47972/brand-new-tour-starts-tonight-as-seattle-tickets-drop-from-180-to-9/comments/#0

I saw on the band's reddit a lot of people selling tickets for less than they paid for by at least half. The issue isn't less people going to the shows though.

why would they buy a ticket only to sell it later at a loss lol

Tickets for tonight selling as low as $9. Maybe the demand isn't there?

You should go and meet up with picklevai there!

Scalping?

yeah but i thought u were supposed to make money lol, didn't they do marketing analysis? smh

The scalpers are the ones who got fucked. The band still gets the money either way

Its just a guess, some guy just sees a big band returning to tour after a hiatus and thinks he'll flip it. Doesn't know the context behind it?

It is interesting seeing single digit ticket prices but who really knows why its like that.

It's not a Brand New only issue, Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé's stadium tours are also seeing the same phenomenon. It's what happens when scalpers bite off more than they can chew.

Looks to me like the venues they booked were too large

Jesse and his bandmates unfortunately got paid either way

You're usually a lot more creative and snippy. Losing your touch because you know this isn't the hill to die on yet you still do so anyway??

Defending a pervert because you screamed his lyrics in your room 20 years ago ain't it [2]

"Jesse Lacey communicated that he groomed children yet grown men continue to listen to his shit music and pay money to see him whine at shows."

Did you miss the part where I said "Brand New aside"? Keep up. I'm not going to any Brand New shows.

"Shit, I'd rather have a poster of MCR on my wall at 40 cause at least that band promoted something other than histrionics and feeling bad about the bad things you've done."

1000%

"It ain't about maturity, it's about moving on."

The ability to move on is a mature trait though.

"Yeah nothing wrong with still liking, hell loving music from those years. It just shouldn't be your only personality trait. Defending a band endlessly are usually those kind of people."

It just looked like you were shitting on "older" people who like this style of music in general, but when you put it that way, yeah, I agree.

hi olds!

Aren't we all old here now? lol

delete it old

I remember when the main framing about Brand New vs MCR was that the former was indie rock for mature adults and the latter was embarrassing entry-level pop rock

More like brand ew

Thank goodness this thread is about to enter oblivion

Wow, I thought everyone in brand new it was time for them to go away in 2017, again much too late, but at least I thought they knew that they were done.

The news that they are going to tour again gives me Louis ck vibes,

brand knew

Oh they knew. The rest of the band doesn't get enough hate.

i mean they know now and they're still going

wth rody big mouth
i wanna goto brand new tour sooo bad

Rody Walker being a badass.

based notagenius

someone said "I bet he misses when him grooming young girls were just the quiet things that no one ever knows"

and i felt that shit.

Good to Know That if I Ever Need Attention, All I Have to Do Is Get Caught Grooming Underage Women

nice we're gonna have two threads about jesse lacey in the most viewed news tab. sorry lil peep dead at 21, you are getting bumped off.

nice [2]

...yea

Never change, Sputnik

the argument about not going to see a band of this (or any) ilk because you're too old for it, has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've seen on this site

...which is quite the achievement given someone in this same thread referred to a comment as "autistic"

"Tickets for tonight selling as low as $9. Maybe the demand isn't there?"

I'm glad their shows aren't selling well. Yeah, it may damage the promoters / venues more than the band, but this ensures it a) won't happen again and b) highlights that a portion of their fanbase do actually care about what Lacey is guilty of. I mean yeah maybe the promoters were overly ambitious anyway (?) but that's hard to gauge

"Oh they knew. The rest of the band doesn't get enough hate." (2)

Also this. I mean the fact they were happy enough to tour again AFTER this all came to light should eliminate any possibility that the other band members are good people. I suppose at best they're putting their 'wallets first' and there's a whole scale of things that get progressively worse after that of course, but that's speculative

To be fair, the venues / promoters must have known what they were getting themselves into. It's also just part of business -- not everything will go according to plan, and some decisions are just bad decisions

Brand New are touring again? yikes.

yeah and some clowns think there's nothing wrong with going to see them

I'm not sure why you would ever want to give money to a cunt like that, but then again, we live in a society..

My general spending is hugely immoral, but I draw the line with this band.

yeah

We're all knowingly and unknowingly hypocrites to varying degrees, but that shouldn't immobilize anyone. choosing not giving Brand New money should be an easy decision for pretty much everyone.

yeah, not being able to consume things "perfectly" doesn't mean you can't optimise at least a little bit! >:]

the whataboutism fallacy if you will

My entire lifestyle is complicit in modern slavery, but I simply can't support this band. It helps that a lot that I have never heard a song by them.

“yeah and some clowns think there's nothing wrong with going to see them“

Yeah, I probably have a problem with morality. In the fullness of time, the works will remain, and when the man dies his sins will be done. I don't want to carry the burden of time, it's good work and good performances I'll go. It's like if I had a time machine, I could go back in time.

Jesse Lacey really should be taking up all the piss, it all makes sense. I may have a different mindset, I don't really understand why going to a show is giving money, isn't about spending? The band performs for you. You seem to be putting yourselves way too low.

"and when the man dies his sins will be done"

but won't be able to predate after his death, now will he

" I don't really understand why going to a show is giving money"

you pay to see the band, don't you? Do you think the band doesn't get paid?

"isn't (it) about spending?"

every time you pay for something, someone receives that payment

(I assume you're not a native speaker of english, so some people will not understand what you're trying to say. I will make the effort though!)

yeah i am not a native speaker, i suck

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you guys are so responsible.
But I am thinking a lot easier and lighter.

What's rather surprising is that this site was probably once the place in the world that held brand new in the highest regard, and now calls it out the hardest.

And as a kid I had a hard time accepting the obscurity and gloominess of brand new, I remember reading all those reviews from you and questioning why I couldn't get close to it myself, but it's funny how now I'm the one who's rooting for it. I even think I knew he was dark inside just by listening to those lyrics, and I knew Tyler Carter definitely sought fame and fortune by listening to his as well, so it was quite surprising to me that you guys came across as particularly angry in the later stages

Maybe I've never felt betrayed by Brand New, because Jesse Lacey has always been kind of a creepy guy to me. They improved me a lot with their records (emo-wise, i was such a mall emo fan). And made me realize that maybe there's artistic value in being perverted lol

Anyways, I think I take going to a show way lighter than you do in this case. it is taking instead of giving

Forgive me for talking more, I think sometimes people with mental problems can create stronger works of art, people who live too comfortable lives tend to have little feelings. and those who suffer can turn out to be very bad. This realization makes my sense of morality fuzzy. I think about how far one should go in empathy.

at the end of the day, my self-reflection as a listener is that if this band has influenced me in a positive way, such credits should be given nevertheless, otherwise I become an exploiter myself. And the hating/exploiting loop will just be continuing forever if one don't break it. Brand New are amazing on record and live, that shouldn't be taken away from them because of other things, it should be judged very fairly imo

"yeah i am not a native speaker, i suck"

...maybe for now! you will get better with experience!

I understand the interest in art made by bad people, as it can be quite interesting and compelling, almost in a sociological kind of way. I don't think finding it interesting makes you a bad person. I just choose not to support the band financially because it would be supporting Jesse Lacey, who in turn could continue to use his fame and money to predate on minors.

yeah yeah