I've never listened to this band. never even heard of them until now, but this disgusts me.

Next they'll be asking homosexuals to choose between bum sex and their job, because being gay is "a form of mental instablity".

This is pretty understandable, and dumb on his part for giving his job up for death metal. But at the same time it's pretty metal of him.

He's too cool for school

What an employee does in is free time (as long as it legal) shouldn't affect his professional life as long as he keeps both seperate.
Stupid decision by the school board

I don't really see how it's understandable. What he chooses to do in his free-time is his choice. Being in a death metal band isn't against any law in Germany so I don't see how the authorities can intervene like this.

If a school doesn't want to employ him because of it, that's understandable. Banning him from teaching outright is completely overeacting to nothing.

i too would be hesitant to hire someone nicknamed 'the bloodbeast'

I don't think it's understandable. I mean, yeah I can see some parents being upset but as long as no one had complaints about him before (which would of course be important to know to understand the case) I don't see how being in a death metal band can exclude you from being able to teach. As for the animal blood, I personally find stuff like that disgusting, but on the other hand a guy like Nitsch gets prices for covering people in it, so uh.

as far as the hiring part goes (the ban is a bit far), would you rather hire the nice, moustachioed professor who plays golf on his free time or the guy who douses himself in animal blood and releases albums titled 'kill maim burn'? same reason visible tattoos and piercings will seriously jeopardize your chances of getting a good job when there are other candidates who are considerably more in line with their image.

^ bingo.

tho this is seriously an overreaction on the school boards part imo, I mean, this guy HAD to see this coming.

that being said I probably would have made the same decision as him.

But he already had the job. He got fired afterwards only when they discovered he was in the band.

Adn they had to be satisfied with his work or they wouldnt have offered him the chance to keep the job if he quit the band, they would have simply fired him

obviously there wasn't any moustachioed golfer though

but as far as I understand he was just a trainee teacher, so obviously there must have already been a 'proper full-on' philosophy teacher. obviously this implies that the authorities think that being in a death metal band impairs morality or something and puts you in no position to discuss philosophy with young adults.

If they'll let Lord Worm be an English professor, no reason this dude can't be a trainee teacher lol.

as far as the hiring part goes (the ban is a bit far), would you rather hire the nice, moustachioed professor who plays golf on his free time or the guy who douses himself in animal blood and releases albums titled 'kill maim burn'?

yeah sorry that was the only source I could find, there was nothing on Blabbermouth or anything.

although on the Metalstorm news articel it said this as well:

The officials described the band's live shows as signs of "mental disability" and decided that it is not safe for children to be in the same classroom with Gurrath.

the school has every right to hand select their staff based on what they feel is in their students' best interest, but the ban is just ridiculous

When I saw the title of this article, I couldn't help but think of the opening credits to Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail. "Sacked." Lol

here's a long German article if anyone else can read it:
http://www.welt.de/kultur/musik/article7468195/Death-Metal-Saenger-darf-nicht-mehr-unterrichten.html

it essentially says that he was "sacked" pretty much immediately after beginning to teach, and partly because of his first lesson (where some sort of reviewer is present) which happened to be about "Killergames" (now we've got all cliches combined ^^) in which he let the pupils present the pros and cons. and an important part in sacking him was that there's a pornographic video available on the band's website - not anymore though ^^. the article also says that he seemed like a very "normal" and nice person to the interviewer and that his past-time as a death metal musician never was a problem during studying to become a teacher. oh, and that all the ones responsible for firing him refuse to give any statements.

You guys would care a lot less if you listened to Debauchery. They suck.

"sacked"

lol Britishisms

Next they'll be asking homosexuals to choose between bum sex and their job, because being gay is "a form of mental instablity".

I wonder if he called himself "Mr. Bloodbeast."

sorry for not using silly American-isms ;)

and duh I know that homosexuality isn't a choice, I was trying to make a point that what a teacher does outside of their job shouldn't really have anything to do with it. obviously I could have used a better example.

"Being gay isn't a choice. Covering yourself in animal blood is stupid and attention-seeking, and I can completely see where the school is coming from not wanting some douche like that around its students."

So just because he was a part of something ridiculous, he doesn't have a right to decide what he wants to do with his life? We should judge him on his "career choices," not on his character?

Just a guess, but I'm betting this band sucks tremendously.

Teachers, as people in charge of educating youths, are held accountable for what they do outside of their jobs. They know this going in. So yeah, this dude's character most certainly counts.

first impressions from listenign to some of their mysapce stuff: they're okay, pretty standard stuff really

"Teachers, as people in charge of educating youths, are held accountable for what they do outside of their jobs. They know this going in. So yeah, this dude's character most certainly counts."

I didn't say he shouldn't be held accountable for his past actions, but what did this guy ever do wrong? He was part of a extreme death metal act, but does that make him a bad person?

The guy covers himself in animal blood. Put yourself in the shoes of this school's administrators. Do you really want some assmask like that around kids?

because that obviously means the guy is mentally instable right?

it's just putting on a show, and they obviously do it to try and hide their mediocrity.

the guy isn't a bad person, he's just not ideal for what the school deems suitable as a mentor to their students

it's pretty understandable

God forbid the Philosophy teacher be a unique individual.

"He covered himself in animal blood. Put yourself in the shoes of this school's administrators. Do you really want some assmask like that around kids?"

So being part of an "act" like that makes him a bad person and not worthy enough to be around kids? That's absolutely an atrocious idea.

You didn't answer my question. And to answer yours, no, it means he's a fucking weirdo.

(@ FTB)

Being gay isn't a choice.

Dude, I have one kid and another on the way. I have tattoos covering pretty much my whole upper body, some of them not being something a kid should be looking at. So, to be honest, I don't judge people on their past actions. I judge people on what they do now. If the guy is trying to improve his life by being a teacher for children, then I don't have a problem with it.

Did I say it makes him a bad person? No. He just shouldn't have anything to do with educating kids.

it's just putting on a show, and they obviously do it to try and hide their mediocrity.

"Next they'll be asking homosexuals to choose between bum sex and their job, because being gay is "a form of mental instablity"."

thats a great idea

Doesn't matter why they do it. It's fucking stupid. Again, put yourself in the shoes of this dude's superiors.

and CMON you've gotta be some kind of weird to spend your weekends doused in animal blood

i think the fact people listen to metal here is distracting them from the absurdity of that

thats a great idea

Past actions shouldn't have anything to do with a superior's decision, unless the past actions continue to repeat themselves in the present day.

i think the fact people listen to metal here is distracting them from the absurdity of that

Kirgasm- Not really. I could listen to easy listening and think the same thing. The blood, all that shit, is an "act." If we are going by his bands image or lyrical content, why are we teaching kids anything by Shakespeare?

Past actions shouldn't have anything to do with a superior's decision, unless the past actions continue to repeat themselves in the present day.

they're actually firing teachers now based off of what's on their facebook

The trouble with this judgement is that if the guy had been the single best teacher on the planet,
capable of transforming the lives of hundreds of children, it still wouldn't have mattered. However
weird his lifestyle/performance choices are, if the school were satisfied with his teaching before
they found out about his band, I think it's cowardly and impulsive to sack him. The ban ups the
stupidity tenfold.

Oh and I hardly listen to metal at all, certainly not what most people would call real metal, so I
hardly think my judgement is impaired by the thought that covering yourself in animal blood is
'normal'. People are not normal. The majority of teachers probably have something odd about their
lives outside of school. If the school board found out about every teaching professional's oddest
characteristic or pastime, and reacted in this way, there'd be about 90% less teachers. Hooray.

I'll address the socio-political ramifications going on here.

1. The school is entitled to do whatever they want. The ban, however, is entriely absurd.

2. Being a Republican from the upper Midwest, I'm probably not the most staunch gay rights supporter, but its pretty obvious that being gay isn't a choice.

There, argument settled.

"The trouble with this judgement is that if the guy had been the single best teacher on the planet, capable of transforming the lives of hundreds of children, it still wouldn't have mattered. However weird his lifestyle/performance choices are, if the school were satisfied with his teaching before they found out about his band, I think it's cowardly and impulsive to sack him. The ban ups the stupidity tenfold."

This is spot on

Kirgasm- Not really. I could listen to easy listening and think the same thing. The blood, all that shit, is an "act." If we are going by his bands image or lyrical content, why are we teaching kids anything by Shakespeare?

and what about the perma-ban on teaching in that state? it should be up to the schools to decide who to employ, not the authorities.

"I'll address the socio-political ramifications going on here.

1. The school is entitled to do whatever they want. The ban, however, is entriely absurd.

2. Being a Republican from the upper Midwest, I'm probably not the most staunch gay rights supporter, but its pretty obvious that being gay isn't a choice.

There, argument settled."


Of course the school has the right to fire or hire anyone they want to. It doesn't make it right, though. Also, don't they do backround checks on teachers? Shouldn't they have known about this beforehand?

Past actions shouldn't have anything to do with a superior's decision, unless the past actions continue to repeat themselves in the present day.

Also, don't they do backround checks on teachers?

^ One would hope so.

"They obviously were. No "well adjusted" individual covers themselves in animal blood on a regular basis. First and foremost, the board's responsibility is to maintain a safe learning environment. Now, seeing as how most sputnikers are pretentious teenagers that think they know it all, it's rather predictable to see most siding with "Mr. Bloodbeast"."

Did you just call me a pretentious teenager? I prefer pretentious adult,.

Yes, they do background checks (at least in America), and how they missed this fellow's music career is beyond me.

Did you just call me a pretentious teenager? I prefer pretentious adult,.

Emim- Clam down there, it was a joke.

I was just clarifying for posterity; no offense taken.

If this happened in the US he could sue the shit out of the school using various forms of anti-discrimination laws and probably win.

I'm no expert on the legislative/cultural arenas inside of German states, but I'm guessing the final verdict for him is "tough shit."

I find this transfixion on the animal blood part interesting really. Personally the fact that they basically have strippers on stage is much more 'worse' (excuse the bad English)

hahaha the gulag

The Gulag is no laughing matter, Yeti.

are you implying that their stage acting means the members need psychological help?

if that's the case Lady Gaga needs some help pronto

I would like some gulag with my steak

I wonder if Oderus Urungus or Balsac the Jaws of Death from GWAR would get hired.

Shit, I'd hire them to babysit for me

I read that as "The Jews of Death"...

Im pissed I missed GWAR when they came to Fargo.

they know Jew-Jitsu man don't fuck with the Jews of Death

This sounds like one of those bands that could be fairly decent if they stopped chugging and writing gore-themed lyrics long enough to actually write something inspired.

Really, the school should have done a background check on the guy in the first place. I mean, the school's kind of screwed here. If they hadn't fired him, they'd basically be saying "Yes, we allow this kind of person to teach here," which wouldn't good for them. However, by firing him they're saying "We go out and hire teachers without knowing what they're really like, and then we just kick them out when it turns out that we screwed up." Either way, the school loses.

And Jewdough. They also beat the shit out of them Natzis with a bat.

What if their were hasidic jewish rappers? Like Two Live Jew? Or maybe Old Dirty Rabbi? Jewpac? Notorious J.E.W.?

I love how Sputnikpolitics always turns into Jewish/minority discussion :D

y'all crazy. i'd pay to have my kids go to this guy.

hmm thinking about it the band should just move to Norway or something. Nocturno Culto's a school teacher so they're obviously much more sensible about these kind of things in the great white north

If everyone painted in blood are a threat to children, then doggone it we gotsa problem.

"Looks to the bible, Catholic Priests, and Sunday school"

well some here are off the mark, because it says in the article I've linked to above that no one can read, that the guy wasn't yet a teacher, but teaching classes as part of his training, and he only did that for 18 days before he was urged to resign. reason for that was that his instructor wasn't satisfied with the lessons he gave and that, as it says in the article he couldn't convince her (the instructor) that he would be distancing himself from his lyrics in front of his students and be able to convincingly teach them the importance of avoiding violence, which would have actually been an important part of his job as an Ethics/Philosophy teacher.

Professor Bloodbeast hahaha

We've still got the elementary school teaching Steve Von Till, so i'm not too worked up.

Professor Bloodbeast hahaha

He's like a superhero... Teacher by day, BLOODBEAST BY NIGHT

This is one of the funnier articles I have read in a while lol

All metalheads are stupid anyways, so it's better off for the students.

as long as the teacher knows his stuff and doesnt actually harm a student then who gives a flying fuck

haha no

at highanddriving

I don't know why I spent all this time reading the thread

HI IM MR BLOODBEAST WELCOME TO PHILOSOPHY CLASS
IM GONNA LUBE WITH ANIMAL BLOOD AND SHOVE MY COCK IN YOUR ASS!

bloodbeast likes blood? who'da thunnnnnkit

Also all metalheads are secretly gay, so it's double better for the students.

that one is true

but there's nothing wrong with being gay

No there isn't anything wrong with being gay, or playing metal, this is stupid.

I do professional landscape consultation and I don't lead my clients on that I have an online bio full of death/ black/ whatever kind of metal because I know how to seperate my day job from my hobby. Even though I disagree with the whole notion of judging someone by their music tastes, this guy should have learned to do so as well; the world doesn't give a fuck what you do, they will always judge.

^ bingo bango

but Wizard the guy never said anything about it, one of the school solicitors found out some how. he couldn't have kept it anymore hidden than he did

and do you not have manly long metal hair? ;)

good decision imo.

It's more than likely just a PR issue. Any company, or school for that matter, wouldn't want to hire a death metal vocalist named "The Bloodbeast."

but Wizard the guy never said anything about it, one of the school solicitors found out some how. he couldn't have kept it anymore hidden than he did

and do you not have manly long metal hair? ;)

Well, here's the linchpin to it all: When you assume a position like teaching at a public institution, you are never truly off-duty. Everything you say, do, post on your blog, etc., can and will be evaluated and, if the powers that be deem necessary, used against you. What you do in your free time is NOT necessarily divorced entirely from your professional life, and those of you that believe otherwise are in for a huge shock when you catch up to the real world.

This may not be ideal, and sure it sucks sometimes, but honestly, even as a huge metalhead myself I can absolutely understand why the school board would react as they did. To some degree their concerns weren't merely warranted, but invited.

Metal bands far too frequently mire themselves and their fans in horrible, needless clichés that only serve to reinforce the stereotype that we are all threats to society.

We've done a lot as a subculture to ensure that we'll never be taken seriously, never be respected, and man, do we like to play the martyr when people treat us EXACTLY as ought to be expected of them. It's really just sad, stupid and Emo. The less overtly violent and vulgar metal is, the less blatant its attempts to shock, scare and offend people, the better the genre—and its aficionados—will be for it.

like this?
[img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7XrG2XfUaIo/0.jpg[/img]

needs more gray hair

he's 64 remember

Leave Peter out of this.

when I think of manly goatees, I think of good ol Peter

and holy shit he's only 40 but that pic makes him look much older

He looks like Jack Sparrow.

yeah he does look like Johnny Depp

[img]http://decibelmagazine.com/assets/uploads/forehead_nergal.jpg[/img]

LOL LOOK AT HIS HE...Fuck, wrong thread.

metal musicians have to do one of the following cause a normal job is futile:

1. sell-out and go mainstream and get lots of moneyz
2. man up and deal with poverty

uh knock knock.

misusing the Negal joke again...

Dammit

I think the school board made the right choice. Personally I believe covering oneself with animal blood, even for the sake of an "act", is a pretty good determent of mental instability or at least the inability to adequately guide children through their youth. If a student was caught bathing in animal blood they would be forced into counseling. They can't put up with this sort of behavior with their staff, whether its interfering with work or not. The school district, however, should have obviously done a little more research on this guy before hiring his ass.

Life isn't and will never be fair. Get the fuck over it.

If they'll let Lord Worm be an English professor, no reason this dude can't be a trainee teacher lol.

that's what you get with a bunch of nazis

Schools out for summer. schools out for ever

this is disgusting.
firing someone for being in a band in the past that played AWESOME music

the anus speaks

how the flying fuck are people this stupid?

Being gay isn't a choice.



Ha ha ha.

this is a tricky article. it really is an example of how misunderstood metal itself is. im pretty sure they guy is swell, down-to-earth dude. i mean, if you ever see interviews of members of Cannibal Corpse, they are great guys, and Alex Webster is incredibly intelligent. making lyrics about gore or dousing yourself in blood is just part of the image of the art - thats what it is. it doesnt necessarily mean that they are mentally unstable, despite anyones view of it being "weird" or "disgusting". its simply all an act for pure entertainment and not for attention-seeking or whatever. that assumption is fucking ignorant. if it was for attention, then wouldnt i have heard of far more death metal bands on something like the radio? its simply for fun, and it fits the emotion of the music, which is the priority for death metal in the first place, not the image.

So I guess Gene Simmons shouldn't try to become a teacher in Germany, either?

Family friend runs a PR business ... He's covered in tattoos, has 0 gauge plugs and
actively plays in a local grind band.

He's also massively successful and drives a 5 series BMW.

Who says metalheads cant be successful lol?

me too

dumb staff is just mad they arent cool

From the view of a very recent high school graduate who might be wrong about all this:

I think... if he was going for a job at a primary school, it'd be understandable. Because those younger kids certainly look to teachers as role models and helpers.

But in secondary school and high school, the kids don't give a fuck, teachers certainly aren't role models anymore. At that point the role models become a celebrity of some sort and they prefer seeing teachers getting told to fuck off. Even if they aren't a bad kid, it's pretty darn rare they ever look up to a teacher, and if they do then it's only because that teacher is simply THAT awesome of a PERSON and not as a teacher. So as long as he knew his shit and didn't hurt anyone, it shouldn't have really mattered that the guy had a crazy stage act outside of work.

School boards and such all seem to think teachers are role models but they're really not seen as that by those who attend secondary school and high school and they probably never will be. All we really want as students is someone who knows what they're doing, hopefully isn't a shitty asshole teacher and isn't a paedophile.

At the same time, it is the school's decision. But if he was a good teacher then it was a stupid decision. Because then they basically only did it for the image, "oh this guys a good teacher but too weird, we'll look bad". They should care less about their own image and more about student's education.

If he wasn't a good teacher trainee then they simply should have fired him and told him he wasn't doing well enough, without bringing up his outside lifestyle into it as some sort of excuse that some will see as fair and others as unfair.

Metal teachers? Robots in my school system? I think not!

my highschool computer teacher liked a lot of metal and was a little racist and none of the students or staff cared at all

dumb staff is just mad they arent cool

stupid superiors is what i got to say...if he does the teaching good then why fire him...its not like he is practicing "whatsoever" at the school...i wish their cranial usage was slightly a bit more than zero.

Societal rules and what scares people amuses me. STAY IN THE BOX.

"would you rather hire the nice, moustachioed professor who plays golf on his free time or the guy who douses himself in animal blood and releases albums titled 'kill maim burn'?"

For philosophy? The latter is obviously going to be the much better choice. Playing golf and grooming your moustache doesn't come from, or lead to, any sort of musing. Attempting to shock people into a submissive state of fear falls right in line with Nietzschian ideals.

"The less overtly violent and vulgar metal is, the less blatant its attempts to shock, scare and offend people, the better the genre—and its aficionados—will be for it."

I hope to god you're not in a metal band. Metal is not supposed to be accepted. It is not supposed to be liked. It exists as a reflection of reality's unpleasant truths, and it emerged because we like to deny those truths exist.

As hilarious as it is that Germans are still reeling from the guilt trip we put them on for killing a bunch of Jews and homos, making them ubersensitive about EVERYTHING(a guy playing in a band? lols), it's even more hilarious how there are people here justifying the firing of the guy. Not in the sense of the school being able to fire whoever they want, that's obvious. I'm talking about the faggots crying about needing to protect children and shit. Looks like we've got some inner soccer moms desperately in need of a sex change operation. Ten years ago they would have been crying about Marilyn Manson and Id Software.

Ugh don't make me hate you. Why would anyone chose to be part of a minority that is perceived by a fast part of mainstream america as deviant sexual perverts? If being gay was a conscious choice, then there wouldn't be nearly as many gays hiding their sexuality.

From the view of a very recent high school graduate

yeah once you just graduate your mind is on booze,weed,shrooms,lsd, pcp, e ect.

last person to listen to

but Wizard the guy never said anything about it, one of the school solicitors found out some how. he couldn't have kept it anymore hidden than he did

and do you not have manly long metal hair? ;)

It doesn't matter if he told them or not, I purposely try to keep it on the downlow around people that are my clients because they would never understand in the first place. People need to learn to be more careful when seperating business from pleasure.

That's not the point. If you only knew half the things that some teachers do in their free time, you wouldn't want any of them teaching your kids hahahahaha.

SCHOOL OF RAWK PT2

he should come in and kill the whole school saying "WHO'S FUCKIN MENTALLY UNSTABLE NOW BITCHES!"

It's all because of backmasking.