Mosh pits suck. And this is gonna look bad for Korn :/

Dude...so not cool. Hope they found those little bastards...

Uh... I don't have a witty one-liner at my disposal at the moment...

Mosh pit is go in at your own risk. Yeah those 2 guys who beat him up were jerks though. I mean it's all about a good time being together with a band you like and people who you have that in common with. You'd think there'd be love not hate. But plus how could you not expect "mosh pitting" at a KoRn concert?

this better not effect the way people feel about concerts

I have read other things saying he is dead, but on body support so they can donate his parts.

This is really sad. Moshing can be fun but it's people like those 2 punks who can ruin it. I really hope they catch them and they get punished to the fullest.

[quote=Drunken Viking]It's probably bests you three aren't focusing on what's actually important. That sucks for this Andy guy, but it's partially Korns fault from the looks of it. I understand they didn't hurt him, but if you see a completely out of control pit you should try to calm it down, even In Flames, and Cannibal Corpse were telling us to calm down at SOTU when the pitting was getting really intense.[/quote]
It's really not the bands responsibility to be looking after people in the audience, that's why they have security.

I've seen bouncer type security guards removing people from the pit at practically every concert I've been too. It's not the band's fault that this happened.This Message Edited On 08.01.06

This is kind of scary and sad at the same time. Some of you guys are saying he's not dead, but he's still going to be brain dead from the sound of it. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather be dead than have to have someone take care of me the rest of my life. That's also really sad that noone there had the balls to stop these two from beating the poor guy.

^^I agree (with Skyler)

There's no saying that the mosh pit was particularly rough anyway, they just happened to want to beat the crap out of some unlucky guy. I don't blame the band.

I agree with Drunken Viking. The band could have done something about it. Skyler, you said it isn't their responsibility, but in a sense it is. If you saw somebody getting beat up in a back alley, would you not tell anybody? Just because it's not your responsibility? Would you just hope a policeman would come by and see?

I think it would be ignorant to say it wasn't their responsibility. If they did see it happen they deffinately should have done something about it. Where did morales go in this world?

^Thank you.

I'm not saying they should be charged, but if you see a pit just really out of control I
should think you'd stop it, and I'm guessing it was out of control because if it wasn't it's
definitely a mystery how he was hurt.


I'm surprised there hasn't been any LOLZ Family man injured at Family Values
concert111!! comments.This Message Edited On 08.01.06

i feel pretty darn sorry for that guy and his family...poor dude. KoRn's fans should be sorry.

Two idiots.They should've known you don't mosh until someone's in critical condition. They just didn't know when to stop... =(This Message Edited On 08.01.06

Yeah, I'm sure they were able to tell running around at top speed.

This really sucks. I feel really sorry for that guy. man now my mom will NEVER let me get tickets to go on the floor for ANY concerts

I don't think it's Korn's fault, Korn plays in big venues, it's way hard to control people in there. I think the venue's security is reponsible for this, besides this wasn't a simple mosh pit accident, we are talking about something near homicide.

Well a few concerts I've been to is usually dark with stage lights. So it would be hard for Korn to see whats going on.
[quote=Drunken Viking]but if you see a completely out of control pit you should try to calm it down[/quote]That is true unless like I said its in the dark. My first experience in a mosh pit was during Warped 04 with Rise Against. I was near a speed bump and tripped and crashed over 3 girls. The band stopped playing to have people help me up, otherwise I ran the risk of being trampled. The same for Anti Flag later that day. People fell over, they stopped in the middle of Rank N File to show "punk rock unity" by telling people to help eachother up.

It is a tragity what happened to this man. I hope people will take notice and try to calm down when the adreneline flows. I dont know how many punches and kicks I got to the head from people launching themselves.This Message Edited On 08.02.06

That's why I just stay away from the Circle/Mosh pits.

Yeah mosh pits are dangerous, and I kinda go to see live music to actually watch musicians, not to be beaten senseless. I am all for getting pumped at a concert, but sweet jesus...that's not nice. Being brain-dead is going to severely effect Andy for the rest of his life. So enjoy any concert you go to, but for Martha Stewart's sake, please help people if they look like they are in trouble, because it seems that you could save somebody's life.

You guys are acting as if Korn saw this thing happen and didn't do anything about it. How many people were at this show? Thousands? It would be pretty difficult to notice something like this going on, especially when people in the pit are beating the shit out of each other in the first place. It's. Not. The. Band's. Fault.

Why are people always looking for somebody to blame other than the people that actually did it?This Message Edited On 08.02.06

i wrote a muse not long ago about how fucking stupid it is for people to go into a pit/moshpit/circlepit etc. with the sole intention of causing pain and damage. it seems i've been proven right, but in a horrible, horrible way.

i hope andy recovers, its unthinkable that anyone should have to suffer this sort of thing anywhere, never mind at a gig with supposedly like minded music fans.

Skyler, if you read what I said I clearly stated that IF the band saw it they should have done something. So if they did not see it happen they obviously couldn't have. And I am by no means blaming Korn more than the retards who beat that guy up. I also said that I hope he gets caught and punished to the fullest. I don't think Korn should be punished legally or anything, because there is no way to do that. All I think is if they did happen to see this incident, and went on playing their music, that was wrong.

[quote=AsISitDying]this better not effect the way people feel about concerts[/quote]
It probably won't. At the Monsters of Rock a while back two guys were trampled to death by a crowd rush during Guns n' Roses. That didn't really affect how people feel about concerts. This still sucks really bad though.

I never liked concerts and don't plan to go to any, so I probably will die another way than a violent most pit. Sad to hear.

mosh pits are about the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

i wrote a muse not long ago about how ****ing stupid it is for people to go into a pit/moshpit/circlepit etc. with the sole intention of causing pain and damage. it seems i've been proven right, but in a horrible, horrible way.

That is just fucked up. what is the point? I hate it when people don't respect each other in pits.

Why were these two guys repeatedely hitting him anyway? Maybe I'm wrong but i don't think you're supposed to hit just one person in a mosh pit. Maybe then hit him really really hard. who knows.

A mosh pit isn't designed to only hit one person once, it's just to run around into people for whatever reason. To get out anger, or to get into the song. I can't really say that I think that the two who did should be jailed (because from the looks of it if Andy dies they will go down for Manslaughter), I know this sounds mean but if Andy didn't want to get hurt he shouldn't have been in the mosh pit, and I highly doubt that the kids were just trying to hurt him, that sounds unreasonable. It was probably when person a pushed him into person b. It sucks that he is seriously injured, but what did he expect?

or chances are is that he got pushed to the ground, and possibly got trampled. Wait, i know what your going to say. People are suppose to help other people up off the ground. But sometimes they don't, or cant. Just depends how out of control are big the pit is.

No, I was going to say that it's not the two guys fault that he was hurt. Yeah it sucks that he got trampled or pushed or whatever, but can you really blame the two guys who were doing nothing more than any of the other moshers who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

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i heard on mtv that the guy was trying 2 protect his pregnate wife

If that is true, those two kids just jacked up a little'uns life.

This is tragic, I would never wish this kind of thing on anyone. Ever.

hopefully they find those guys and throw the book at them.

and thank you @ storm in a teacup for erasing those comments.

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Yeah like instead of crappy Nu-Metal, peopled say, they changed their sound so the fans were angry. Or maybe they were taking Taste My Schythe seriously LOLZ!

Oh dear man, this seriously sucks balls, that poor guy. Being brain-dead is just slightly more politically correct than being a vegetable. A mosh pit doesn't turn you into a vegetable, a severe beating with a blunt object would; this is f***ed up.

That is true unless like I said its in the dark. My first experience in a mosh pit was during Warped 04 with Rise Against. I was near a speed bump and tripped and crashed over 3 girls. The band stopped playing to have people help me up, otherwise I ran the risk of being trampled.

But the singer looked at him. And directed his own as well as others attention towards him. I would swoon.

Any news on this Andy fellow

A Korn BBSer claims that the man was at lawn seats, not in a moshpit. Think about it. Why would he have his pregnant girlfriend and mentally handicapped child in a moshpit anyway?

Man, that's some scary stuff. I've been in mosh pits and you get pushed are and stuff...but not beaten...Wow...the media is probably gonna turn around and pin this on KoRn...That whole thing sucks.