Gibson Guitars' Legal Woes

2009-11-23 by Observer EMERITUS | 72 Comments
Gibson Guitars in under investigation by the US police for using illegal wood in the production of their guitars. It is suspected that the company may be shipping illegal rosewood from Madagascar via Germany.

Federal agents have moved in on Massman Road, one of the company's facilities in Nashville, Tennessee, and have seized guitars, computers, and wood.

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/48508

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Observer
Emeritus
November 23rd 2009
9479 Comments


I wasn't sure where to post this exactly so I put it in the Various Artists section.

The story sounds rather unusual to me.

taylormemer
November 23rd 2009
4964 Comments


Weird.

Douchebag
November 23rd 2009
3626 Comments


Strange. I got a Gibson, anyone else here own one?

Frobenius
November 23rd 2009
97 Comments


Yeah I've got a classic '03. What do you have?

thatguy84
November 23rd 2009
214 Comments


Looks like somebody doesn't respect wood.

MrCalum
November 23rd 2009
371 Comments


Seized wood

KebertXela
November 23rd 2009
367 Comments


This is actually a very important story...unlike "This band, among countless others, has a lesson this month in Guitar World"

Waior
November 23rd 2009
11778 Comments


Kebert, news is news. I was going to post this yesterday but I too didn't know what to list it under.

Not a Gibson advocate at all.

Frobenius
November 23rd 2009
97 Comments


I love my potentially illicit wood. What's wrong with Gibson, Waior? Just wondering.

KebertXela
November 23rd 2009
367 Comments


news is news.


And how is reporting on a feature that is in a monthly publication, several times each month, news?

Waior
November 23rd 2009
11778 Comments


And how is reporting on a feature that is in a monthly publication, several times each month, news?


The Sputnik community obviously was interested in the Mastodon lesson, as evidenced by the comments and reception. I fail to see what illegitimizes that as news anyways; something that's publicized at regular interval isn't allowed to be news?

Frobenius, there's nothing wrong with them, they're just not for me (huge exception to the Gibson ES-355) - the same reason I'll never play a Telecaster. Not bad guitars, but not for me.

NebSnurb
November 23rd 2009
535 Comments


"Illegal wood"


lmao

Aids
November 23rd 2009
24944 Comments


I used to think that about Telecasters too, but now I want one baaaaad.

TheDanSandwich
November 23rd 2009
141 Comments


I've got some illegal wood, but it's not a Gibson...

Observer
Emeritus
November 23rd 2009
9479 Comments


I just had to take a guess Waior. The mods changed my original title, and I like mine much better:

Gibson Has Bad Wood

Waior
November 23rd 2009
11778 Comments


HAH, well shucks.

NortherlyNanook
November 23rd 2009
1286 Comments


Looks like somebody doesn't respect wood.


this is the best reference/post of this thread and none will come close

Frobenius
November 23rd 2009
97 Comments


Waior- gotcha. How long have you been playing? And I fucking hate telecasters lol. Ugliest AND shittiest sounding guitar ever made.


thatguy84
November 23rd 2009
214 Comments


"this is the best reference/post of this thread and none will come close"

Why thank you. I figured someone would get it.

Aaron
November 23rd 2009
690 Comments


I have some illegal wood, any girls want some?

thediamondcanopy
November 23rd 2009
521 Comments


Please, to me, it's not even how a guitar sounds. It's about the feel of it when you play it. If it feels solid, like you're making it bend to your whim even though it has it's own personality.

...and after playing a starter Strat rip off for the last 4 years, anything other than that feels like you're playing an instrument from God.

Frobenius
November 23rd 2009
97 Comments


I started on a Strat rip off too. I feel your pain. but srsly telez can suck my twang.

beans
November 23rd 2009
2328 Comments


they can seize my wood whenever they want

shortone323
November 23rd 2009
883 Comments


Illegal wood? Also, I think "Gibson has bad wood" would've been a much better title.

Shrapnel94
November 23rd 2009
2213 Comments


LOL WOOD LOL

elephantREVOLUTION
November 23rd 2009
3066 Comments


Looks like somebody doesn't respect wood.

Amazing. Larry David must be ashamed of Gibson.

erasedcitizen
November 23rd 2009
716 Comments


If risking one of the most respected manufacturers in all of music for the finest wood available isn't respect then you're dumb.

pennyroyal22
November 23rd 2009
146 Comments


[Insert dick joke.]

RamsesII
November 23rd 2009
80 Comments


http://2.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktk24oDjqw1qz508oo1_500.png

CrazyFool84
November 23rd 2009
1083 Comments


strange, shady stuff

CoRpSeSlAyEr
November 23rd 2009
855 Comments


Ya that Curb reference was golden HA

arsonist88
November 23rd 2009
230 Comments


Pricks deserve it after pulling that lawsuit on PRS a few years back... aside from the underlying fact they may have gotten the wood illegally.

CushMG15
November 23rd 2009
1810 Comments


Bummer, I rock an SG for a lot of my downtempo rock stuff and I love it. Sucks if it turns out to be true.

iranscam
November 23rd 2009
469 Comments


wood is wood i don't get it.

MentalityOfA
November 23rd 2009
1217 Comments


"[Insert dick joke.]"


Haha, insert.

Duderino
November 23rd 2009
830 Comments


I've got an 06 Goddess SG in white. It's such a phenomenal guitar. Gibson's products and quality control have plummeted in the last 5 years or so and everyone has been complaining about the quality of the mahogany in the past couple years. I wonder how long this Madagascar fiasco goes back

Prophet178
November 23rd 2009
6397 Comments


"Wood is wood, I don't get it"

You can't just go around chopping down trees anywhere you feel like it, especially such a large corporation.

DiceMan
November 23rd 2009
7066 Comments


I have a piece of wood....

Oh wait. My joke got stolen. 20 times.

Enough with the penis jokes this is srs bsns.

bloc
November 23rd 2009
70880 Comments


man, i hate Gibson. they're ugly and overpriced.

imnotthere420
November 23rd 2009
106 Comments


gibson has some of the nicest fret inlays you can buy. your fingers feel like they're floating around the fretboard.

imnotthere420
November 23rd 2009
106 Comments


but yeah, way overpriced.

Nirvana67
November 23rd 2009
17 Comments


Wonder if Epiphone has worse wood. I love my good-wood Fender Stang.

R6Rider
November 23rd 2009
5282 Comments


Just started to get into Gibson guitars this year

maybe this is why a lot of their guitars are so damn expensive

BrahTheSunGod
November 23rd 2009
1280 Comments


nothing sounds worse than a badly played telecaster

Lions
November 23rd 2009
1015 Comments


Rosewood is nice stuff. Probably worth the risk. But yeah, I'm not a Gibson fan either. PRS does me more than fine.

bloc
November 23rd 2009
70880 Comments


i don't understand, Iai

Klekticist
November 24th 2009
1463 Comments


"[insert dick joke]"

123

KebertXela
November 24th 2009
367 Comments


I can't believe somebody with a username ripped from Family Guy is lecturing people on the news.


And I can't believe that regular columns in magazines are considered 'news'.

Can I submit a news article every time a band does a lesson for Guitar World, since it happens about a dozen times a month?

If that were the case, the news section would be filled with "This band teaches a lesson in Guitar World" and everyone would understand how illogical it is.

Oh and by the way, I guess when you can refute the logic, make fun of the username, right?

Prophet178
November 24th 2009
6397 Comments


If that were the case, the news section would be filled with "This band teaches a lesson in Guitar World" and everyone would understand how illogical it is.


Yeah, cause that has happened so much in the past.

Can I submit a news article every time a band does a lesson for Guitar World, since it happens about a dozen times a month?


Sure, but realize that only bands this site cares about will make it as frontpage news.

erasedcitizen
November 24th 2009
716 Comments


Yeah Sputnik just loves it's Taproot and Green Day.

KebertXela
November 24th 2009
367 Comments


Yeah, cause that has happened so much in the past.


Paste quotes out of order and out of context to make snarky comment seem funny FTW?



Yeah Sputnik just loves it's Taproot and Green Day.


Exactly...does that kid even look at who is on the 'front page' of the news section?

DisposedReflection
November 24th 2009
21 Comments


are you seriously insinuating that every member of this site has a subscription to guitar world? and that if they dont they should spend money on that instead of waiting for another source to send out the info for free?

'a band that put out one of the most popular albums of the year on this site gave a guitar lesson in a magazine, check it out here if you dont have the mag'

how does that not make sense? i never even post on here and you made me have to remember my password just so i could releive the stigma of your ignorance from my mind.

Douchebag
November 24th 2009
3626 Comments


"Yeah I've got a classic '03. What do you have?"

I have a Gibson Cherry Red Faded Flying V. Fuck yeah! Love it to bits.

"but yeah, way overpriced."

I dunno, Mine was very affordable, just gotta know where to look and don't go chasing Jimmy Page signatures or anything.

Prophet178
November 24th 2009
6397 Comments


I don't even get why you're complaining in the first place. It's not like you're forced to read or even look at the news section, you're not paying for it, and it in no way affects you personally. If you don't like the news here go to one of the other billion music sites and read their news.

KebertXela
November 24th 2009
367 Comments


are you seriously insinuating that every member of this site has a subscription to guitar world? and that if they dont they should spend money on that instead of waiting for another source to send out the info for free?


Another source...as in...Guitar World's own website?

I just think it takes away credibility of one News Source (sputnik) to post regular columns of another publication as news.

It's not news, it's a regular column, there is no news involved.

You certainly have proved someone's ignorance, just not mine.

But hey, I'm glad I got your heart rate up, now if only those brain waves would start firing, right?

KebertXela
November 24th 2009
367 Comments


I don't even get why you're complaining in the first place. It's not like you're forced to read or even look at the news section, you're not paying for it, and it in no way affects you personally.


You mean like...my posts?

Gotcha.


BTW, I wonder how long this suspician of gibson has been going on. Seems weird that it would happen right after Les' death. I don't think the two events are related, but I guess at least he didn't have to see his company go through this shame, should it be true.

DisposedReflection
November 24th 2009
21 Comments


another source as in a Sputnik, in the sense that not every music fan plays guitar and likely knows nothing about guitar world. I want you to go all over various news sites and count up the number of articles that link the viewer to another source, the one where that site got its information, and read off the overwhelmingly large number with your head hung low, knowing that the reason youve annoyed people isnt because your a genius and pointed out something remotely useful, nor that you insulted anyone, but because what your saying is whats illogical and makes you come off like a pretentious little shit.

Prophet178
November 24th 2009
6397 Comments


I just think it takes away credibility of one News Source (sputnik) to post regular columns of another publication as news.


Sputnik isn't really a "news source," this site doesn't break news, but instead relays it for the community to discuss; it's all based around the user community. If you're coming here for the up-to-the-minute news then you should be looking elsewhere.

Slimjim367
November 24th 2009
512 Comments


i have an epihphone , so gibsonw annabee haha
:S

tinathefatlard
November 24th 2009
2112 Comments


I have wood, it's a boner. .. ok that should stop it.

minimesmyidol
November 24th 2009
314 Comments


wow illegal wood? haha i only play schecter or prs
dont really like the feel of gibsons.

zuzek
November 24th 2009
950 Comments


Whatever Gibson has been doing since the inception of the PRS singlecuts has been fairly irrelevant, guess they have to make news somehow.

Awesomesauce
November 24th 2009
1092 Comments


I have an SG standard and love it. But Gibsons are ridiculously expensive, especially here in Australia. One of the main reasons they use to justify the massive price is that they only use the best American mahogany and rosewood available, and are hand made in the USA. If this is proved to be untrue then it would have to constitute as fraud or at least false advertising.
Gibson don't have the best reputation at the moment due to poor quality control (head down to your local gibson dealer and check the finish/binding/fret work on the latest Les Pauls - a fucking disgrace for $3000+ instruments) and this may well prove to be another nail in the coffin. If it is proved true I cetainly won't be buying another gibson, that's for sure.

Frobenius
November 24th 2009
97 Comments


Hey KebertXela, SHUT THE FUCK UP. lol. jk bra, jk.

Zoo
November 24th 2009
3759 Comments


ha, gibson, custom is the way to go anyway

Ire
November 24th 2009
41944 Comments


haha Someone doesn't like Mastodon.

03 Epi John Lennon sig ftw

Awesomesauce
November 24th 2009
1092 Comments


Customs are just as bad. I played one a few weeks ago that had a big lump in the fretboard between the 13th and 15th frets and cut my hand on the fret wire sticking out of the binding. The sticker price was $7,650.

ErasersAtBothEnds
November 24th 2009
288 Comments


I have a '62 reissue SG, not sure what year. It is beautiful and I love it to death.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ERmdPlsX4

This be my youtube channel where said guitar is played.

Awesomesauce
November 24th 2009
1092 Comments


Yeah don't get me wrong, they're not ALL trash. Mine's an 08, but I played many, many bad ones before I found one I thought was worthy of parting with thousands of dollars for. I'm glad I did, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

DisposedReflection
November 24th 2009
21 Comments


I wouldnt know for sure that all gibsons nowadays are complete trash, but i would think the pros all play vintage for a reason other than to be cool.

i have a les paul studio, straight mahogany, and i love it. Granted its not the perfect guitar for me, but i couldnt for the life of me find another guitar in the $800 range that came close.

LordSalohcin21
November 25th 2009
135 Comments


i've been rockin a tele since tenth grade. i love it, but i will say that i love it because i play very ugly. ugly guitar for an ugly style. match made in heaven.

LordSalohcin21
November 25th 2009
135 Comments


and i've always been a fender guy, myself.



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