lol, sounds like a typical rock song. They shouldve stopped after Layne died.
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lol after about 12 seconds you come to that conclusion. And no they shouldn't have stopped. Maybe gotten a new name, but not stopped.
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Its easy to tell with a band like them, theyre not really that innovative.
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all it is is one riff wtf
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It's a teaser for a reason.
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theyre not really that innovative.
Yeah, they were only one of the few mainstream bands that even came close to reconciling the grunge scene with metal
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Its easy to tell with a band like them, theyre not really that innovative.
retard. have you even heard dirt? They may have been incredibly popular, but they most certainly were not "mainstream" in the traditional sense. Their music didn't adhere to a single formula and they were often very innovative and VERY influential.
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I never really dug this band until recently playing No Excuses on GH: Metallica and falling in love with the song. Might check out Dirt and Jar Of Flies.
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im really hoping this is good. AIC my favorite grunge/rock band
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agreed.
easily the best of the incredibly big grunge bands.
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I have all of AIC's albums and EP's. Theyre a great band, but not really innovative, emotional yes, innovaitve no.
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Do you even know what the word innovative means?
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uhhh... jar of flies?
They pretty much dropped their grunge/metal sound all together to make an entirely acoustic EP.
Also, Dirt took the dirty, gritty grunge sound, mixed it with heavy metal elements, and experimented with atmosphere and mood to create an incredibly dark, heavy, atmospheric album.
If that's not innovative in the least, I don't know what is.
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^This
I'm not gonna waste too much time arguing with that NedSnurb guy, he's either an idiot or a troll, I mean he rates Dirt a 5 and says it isn't innovative...
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Apparently we're gonna get more June 30th? If that's true I'm excited
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Whatever the situation, September can't come fast enough
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Band is very influential. Every album manages to be very different and genre-spanning, not to mention awesome.
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^ Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
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All their material is great, I wont deny that. And theyre very emotional, I just dont see any big innovation.
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I mean it's not like they were basically the only band to blend grunge and metal and set the scene for countless bands trying to imitate that.
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^ This too. That's their innovation. If you can't see it then you don't know an awful lot about grunge or metal during the 90's.
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So if someone does something and others follow, thats considered innovation?
Nope....
I do know a lot about grunge. I happen to be a bug Soundgarden fan as well.
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It actually sounded like creepy dirty alice in chains, i'm excited now 
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So if someone does something and others follow, thats considered innovation?
Nope
Tool that isn't what was said at all, learn to read, innovation is not the following of what they did its what they actually did. And for the record Soundgarden did a bit of blending metal with grunge too so you really haven't a clue what you're on about
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If you cant see that Alice In Chains brought a unique style that is still giving influence to bands to this day, then i agree with conormichaeljoseph in saying you are a tool.
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It's only 18 seconds long. I will wait to hear the full album before passing judgment.
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They will still own even if the album sucks. They will just own a hundred times more if the album owns cause it proves they can recruit a hobo off the street, have him be the lead singer and still own.
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Is that not what they did with Layne?
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roflmao.
good one.
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If you can't see it then you don't know an awful lot about grunge or metal during the 90's.
if you actually consider grunge a genre of music you don't know an awful lot about it.
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Grunge is a combination of punk and metal....so how can you compare grunge with metal?
Even in the very basis of your argument you start with flaws. I laugh.
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"So if someone does something and others follow, thats considered innovation? "
Actually, if a band or artistic entity of any kind happens upon a unique brand of its art (even in the "grunge" scene AIC stood
apart) and has enough influence to be mimicked by other bands made by their fans, yes that is considered innovation. That's
why so many people followed the band in the first place.
AIC was in fact a very original band for its time, not to be dismissed because there were other "grunge" bands that had similar
concepts around the time. Punk and metal fusion wasn't a new concept either if you want to put it that way. The underlying
concept is almost never what is new anywhere, it's the execution of it that AIC was so innovative in. In 1990, no other band
had a "Man in the Box", so to speak..
Either way I think you're generally an idiot who can't understand timelines worth a shit. In the early 1990's, Alice in Chains
WERE innovative and one of the leading examples of then-current musical progression. It wouldn't be innovative now, but we're
not talking about just 2009 when we talk about whether AIC have innovation.
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All in all, they werent doing anything new. The only thing that was different was their vocal harmonies, which were great. They played the same music as lot of their peers, its the way it was produced and the different tones that were used....nothing too innovative.
And also, I'd like someone to give me a list of bands who AIC were influential to, besides Godsmack.
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Just about every rock band with darker lyrics to come after them you moron.
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A fucking fuckload. AIC were very inspirational. I'm pretty sure even Dream Theater have claimed influence from them. Opeth have.
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Grunge is a combination of punk and metal....so how can you compare grunge with metal?
Even in the very basis of your argument you start with flaws. I laugh
God it must hurt you to be such an idiot. Grunge a combination of punk and metal? Fuck off, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Thrash Metal significantly blended hardcore punk with metal. Grunge was a form of alternative rock inspired by late 80's punk bands like The Melvins, metal never entered into it UNTIL AIC came along.
All in all, they werent doing anything new. The only thing that was different was their vocal harmonies, which were great. They played the same music as lot of their peers, its the way it was produced and the different tones that were used....nothing too innovative
If that was true and not almost total bullshit, nobody would have been deluded for too long that they were something new. However, seeing as deathtothesaint has the right idea, I don't think anyone else here has to tell you how much of a deluded moron you are. The more you use the word innovative the less of an idea of the concept you seem to have. You fail, good sir.
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Early Melvins, that which inspired the Seattle grunge movement, was significantly punk-oriented in my views. I'm aware that hey did display a sludgy sound that influenced metal bands too, however.
Grunge may have had origins in early heavy metal, and several metal genres may share roots in hardcore punk with grunge but other than that I've never found any other similarities beyond raw attitudes and distorted guitars. AIC may have had influences in that department too but their metal sound sure as hell didn't come directly from any fellow Seattle-based band.
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And also, I'd like someone to give me a list of bands who AIC were influential to, besides Godsmack.
Kyuss
Queens of The Stone Age
Tool (influences on Lateralus album particularly)
Seether
Opeth
Saliva
Shinedown
Taproot
Seether
Creed
Alter Bridge
hell, even Metallica claim to have had some ideas influenced by Alice In chains, particularly Staley. I'm aware not all of these are great bands but you asked for acts influenced by AIC and these are but a few.
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I dont see the inlfuence in Lateralus at all.
So, Alice In Chains invented dark lyrics?
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That's your own fault man. You can add Staind, Cold, Hurt and 12 Stones to that list.
And did anyone say they invented dark lyrics? No. But in my opinion they did take it to another level. That's not worth arguing over though.
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@ Nedsnurb : Nobody said they invented dark lyrics, jackass. All I saw Bullittman say, and in plain English, was plenty of heavy rock bands to come after AIC took signicant inspiration from AIC's dark lyrical matter. Nothing about inventing them. And the Lateralus influence is disputable as its an original observation of my own.
Stop trying to detract from the fact you are the most painfully wrong user on this site.
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Alright, this entire thing can be boiled down into two words: differing opinions.
Should we be at one anothers throats due to a different outlook on a band? It's just one band, one set of artists; do they care whether or not we think they are innovative? I would think not. They know who they are and what they do and it means something to them. Obviously both of you have your points because you are all so adamant about expressing your opinions and points. Why not just agree to disagree and let it go. It doesn't really matter and this argument is pointless at this point.
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Let's just see how that new album turns out, I say.
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Bullshitt Man said they influenced anyone with darker lyrics to come after them.
So, someone did say something along those lines.
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Well seeing as that was part of their style of music...
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Could it be that the most painfully wrong user on this site is the one who takes it too seriously? Or one who debates for the occasional fun of it?
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@ Nedsnurb...again: Hey, guess what cockmuch- you said INVENTED. Bullittman said INFLUENCED. There's a difference, noone said anything along the same lines as you. And calling him Bullshit Man is so, so clever.
Could it be that the most painfully wrong user on this site is the one who takes it too seriously? Or one who debates for the occasional fun of it?
Except when said user isn't wrong.
Alright, this entire thing can be boiled down into two words: differing opinions.
Should we be at one anothers throats due to a different outlook on a band? It's just one band, one set of artists; do they care whether or not we think they are innovative? I would think not. They know who they are and what they do and it means something to them. Obviously both of you have your points because you are all so adamant about expressing your opinions and points. Why not just agree to disagree and let it go. It doesn't really matter and this argument is pointless at this point.
That would be fair if his 'opinions' weren't simply load that pretty much everyone else has proven wrong. Let me have some fun with the troll.
Let's just see how that new album turns out, I say.
I'm predicting it to be quite good
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ITT: AIC fanbois argue with non-AIC fanbois.
I never got into AIC and don't really want to.
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Your such a moron, "bullshit man". That takes some nuts considering i prove you wrong every time i respond.
"Could it be that the most painfully wrong user on this site is the one who takes it too seriously? Or one who debates for the occasional fun of it?"
Don't play the whole "not taking it seriously" card because you realize how stupid you have been sounding.
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My God! Does it really matter? Seriously! It's the fucking internet! We're arguing about a band for Christ's sake.
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That's kind of the point of this website.
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You prove me wrong everytime?
Conor, being innovative is essentially being inventive, and if being influential is being innovative, then your saying Alice In Chains lyrics are innovative.
And uhm, I was never aware of a card that had the title "taking it seriously"
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If you didn't know what I meant by that then you are a lost cause. But i'm pretty sure nobody is THAT stupid, so maybe there is hope for you.
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NebSmerb= weak
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it's funny how nearly everyone here really sounds like they know nothing about anything.
/bastardly
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mates....chill out and wait till the 30th for the whole song ...
n the other hand... who have not listened to jerry's degradation trip... this would be a very good time to
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