Either the comments section is broken or we are the least empathetic music community of all time

Sympathetic*

or maybe this was just posted.

rest in peace to all killed in these horrible attacks.

@aworld some people don't feel the need to publicly show their sympathy, me included. Tragedy though, way too close to home. RIP to all and thoughts with the families of the dead and injured.

This article was just approved. Happened while I was sleeping, it's one the first things I heard today. RIP

Most of the discussion has taken place in the "Zipper Down" review. Last I checked it only had 4 or 5 pages and now it's at nearly 20. So clearly people have been talking.

RIP

One of the most serious terror attacks in modern history. Absolutely appalling. RIP so hard to the people that lost their lives in Paris.

Heart goes out to Paris right now.

Such a tragedy. RIP, and my thoughts to everyone that was effected.

"Sympathetic*"

they mean basically the same thing -_- . no wonder you don't like languages

I was checking the guardians updates on it and it just feels so much more real when you hear updates every couple of minutes. Thoughts go out to all the victims and their families.

seriously RIP

yeah RIP and sympathy to the band, fans and Paris in general. Their is no rhyme or reason to these senseless attacks.

@torts not facetiously RIP?

Still can't believe this happened. RIP to all who lost their lives.

all the matters is you change your facebook pic to a french one tho....

Absolutely horrendous attacks. The word is crazy.

forget gay marriage, we have a new thing to support now! just put this over your profile pic and you too can support france!

yep. my sister changed her profile picture to the artsy eiffel tower one the minute she saw it was becoming a thing.

guess I'll have to finally change from my big red equals sign pic

Absolutely horrifying

Words or pictures, people are going to show their support one way or another.

its just stupid on so many levels.

haven't read the thread, but there's not a lot any one of us can do right now to support, but I do believe that showing your support makes it loud that we're on a global scale against this kinda stuff, it's important to create societal change imo

Doesn't matter if words or pictures, both are pretty stupid on most levels in such a situation.

it will literally do nothing though, its not going to create societal change. people will hop on the "support france!" bandwagon and then forget about it a few weeks later without actually doing anything helpful. its just a way for people (and especially political social media warriors) to feel like theyre doing something important when they actually arent doing shit.

krazy: why is it 'stupid'?

'adolf': not immediately, but it does show where we stand as a global society. it's good for progress

Yeah I guess that's why I'll refrain from saying "RIP, thoughts" in this thread.

"not immediately, but it does show where we stand as a global society. it's good for progress"

maybe, i guess.

Even if it 'does nothing' good, it doesn't do any bad either.

Have you done something, anything to support anyone during this crisis? I doubt it

no i havent, but im not pretending to either.

I mean anybody in here tho, not just you lol

Between doing something and doing nothing, I prefer doing something, anything

@Asdfp Because it's shallow and meaningless. All these RIP's, "great" gestures and all that "support" for those that lost someone. What the hell is that? People pretending to give a fuck about people they didn't even know existed before it happened, that's pretty much as insincere as it gets and it actually even belittles the pain and suffering of those involved to some point. Even more stupid, who thinks these people care? They just lost someone they loved, why would they give a damn about something posted on a music website, on a Facebook page or on some online newspaper forum? That's precisely the opposite of what it pretends to be, it is completely unthoughtful.

idk, my main problem with it is that its just a trend coming out of a tragedy and theres something disgusting about that.

People hate seeing this kind of stuff happen, and they want to show their support in some way. Adding a French filter is along the same lines as posting "hearts go out to those involved." No, it doesn't offer any immediate change. But we feel for them nonetheless.
For the record, I'm not changing my profile pic.

What AdolfChrist said[2]

"People hate seeing this kind of stuff happen, and they want to show their support in some way"

That does already imply that it's pretty egoistic though.

I think people underestimate the power of empathy. It is extremely encouraging to know that even one person is thinking about you when you're going through a crisis, let alone the entire internet/world.

And no, empathy and sympathy are not interchangeable. Sympathy is when one knows how your feelings are affecting you; empathy is when they share in those feelings with you.

Does it though, Kris? For most of us, I would hope it's human nature.

Go do something

You would rather proudly show everybody on a music website that you do not care?

I think people underestimate the power of empathy. It is extremely encouraging to know that even one person is thinking about you when you're going through a crisis, let alone the entire internet/world. [2]

It's not everybody else that's insincere, it's you who's inhumane

@RogueNine It might be human nature. That usually doesn't mean it's not egoistic though, rather the opposite.

I refuse to act like I'm in tears cause people died yesterday and as posted above, it's kind of disgusting how many people do that every time. This is tragic, horrible and to an extent worrisome (maybe it's really just that, they do it out of fear). But how many of those that shared so much "empathy" in fact had a great time today watching a football match, going for a drink, spending time with their friends, while not giving the slightest shit about those who died? Most of them, I guess. And that's how it is, we usually aren't affected that deeply by people dying we didn't know at all. All in all there are people dying every day, everywhere, many tragic, many in a violent way. Hardly anyone can really care about those and not be insincere.

"You would rather proudly show everybody on a music website that you do not care?"

i dont think thats what either of us are arguing, but alright.

That's exactly what both of you are supporting

wow, we are?? i guess i didnt even know how i myself feel about this situation. thanks for letting me know!

What are you even doing, then? Who are you helping? For who are you working? Whose life is better because of you?

"What are you even doing, then? Who are you helping? For who are you working? Whose life is better because of you?"

totally irrelevant to the argument i was making. im done talking about it though, i can see where this is going.

Who are you helping right now?

I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure we agree on the egoistic part. Some people probably are trying to be on the "trendy" side, and that's unfortunate. I will say that when I went through a couple very trying times, the sum of small, simple gestures really did help me out. And maybe those in France will be equally appreciative by what they see.

Where are those ~*trendy*~ people who absolutely don't care about France and do the profile thing exclusively to ~*be cool and edgy*~? Where are those people? Do they exist?

"idk, my main problem with it is that its just a trend coming out of a tragedy and theres something disgusting about that."
a trend of people showing empathy and actually caring about something going on in the world. today's generation is horrifyingly desensitized to violence and atrocities like this. I'm glad people are caring about something other than themselves for once and extending their condolences to the people that have been affected by this tragedy. you could learn something from them

[2] hard

So in essence, maybe I'm saying what Masochist already said.

And woah asdfp, chill out. I can't point them out to you, but yes they probably exist.

lol here we go.

They don't exist. Wake the fuck up.

@RogueNine When I say egoistic I'm really not talking about being trendy or saying "the right thing" in front of others. That is something I think happens hardly ever, when it comes to such tragedies. As you said, people want or have to say something in that situation to cope with it, because they are terrified, they are shaken by it, they are worried what comes next. That's legit and admittedly sending condolences to those, who have lost someone, is one of the better ways to deal with it, but I'd still say people ultimately do it for themselves rather than someone whose existence they weren't aware of before.

"They don't exist. Wake the fuck up."

alright bud, step away from the keyboard and simmer for a bit, ok?

lol this is why i dipped from the conversation, jesus christ. i sense a shitstorm in the making.

Yeah, and all those people helping out during the ferguson riots were just helping themselves too. There's good in people, accept that.

Lol nice one.

But back to @Kris. I more or less meant that people have something to say because they legitimately have some sort of condolences. Like, for example, many people on this site when the Romanian band died in a fire. I think we do that more often for others than for ourselves. But maybe I'm an optimist, Idk.

@ConcubinaryCode There's obviously a difference between actually helping others and just telling them you feel sorry for them. But, okay, let's talk about that. If you help someone, why are you doing it?

Because people have compassion for their fellow man and treat others how they'd like to be treated. It's the same as someone mourning the loss of a loved one. It shows support and telling someone sorry is known to be the same as showing support to someone because they lost someone but have all these people coming to them to help them along. There's nothing egotistical about that. It seems more egotistical that you think you're better than everyone else because you don't offer your condolences to someone that just needs to feel love.

You only assume of others what you know about yourself tbh

Because people have compassion for their fellow man and treat others how they'd like to be treated. It's the same as someone mourning the loss of a loved one. It shows support and telling someone sorry is known to be the same as showing support to someone because they lost someone but have all these people coming to them to help them along. There's nothing egotistical about that. It seems more egotistical that you think you're better than everyone else because you don't offer your condolences to someone that just needs to feel love.

Double post

I'm sure we could talk about this all day but I must be off to work. Thanks to those who kept it civil. Peace.

EDIT: double

The fact that the perfectly harmless Facebook pictures have become the focus here rather than the tragedy itself is pretty sad imo... obviously none of our discussions would probably have an effect on public policy or the response to what happened, but it's nice to at least think in times like these people can focus on the actual issues that matter. Guess not.

@ConcubinareCode I was getting at something different, but that's certainly a good point. You're right about that, but you rather explain why it helps and not why people do it (also with this: "and treat others how they'd like to be treated" you already acknowledge that people are also thinking about themselves, when they help others).
Empathy is what brings us to help other people, I guess we can agree on that. Now empathy practically means that we feel what other people feel. Most often not in the same intensity, but similar emotions. If we see someone crying that tells us the person is sad, which usually makes us sad to some point. And that again tells us that we have to do something to help them stop crying, cheering them up, talking to them, comforting them. That's natural, that's important, that's great. But ultimately this means that we are helping that person, because we feel crappy for them and making them feel better helps both them and us. So people might not act egotistically in the way we usually interpret it. We don't say, I'll comfort you, but only if you pay me for it. But there is something subconciously egotistical about it.

Kris have u ever been to a psychiatrist? you should try it out tbh, not mocking

I think I already got that you disagree with me. How about trying to tell me HOW I'm wrong instead of just repeating that I'm wrong over and over again. Cause you haven't done that with your last 10 or so posts.

u really should tbh

there's something off

ok, thanks for the advice.....

it's honest advice

And I promise you, I'll take it as seriously as everything some complete stranger tells me on the internet.

I mean, you can simply ignore me and not go, just tellin u

yeah, he thinks people act subconciously egotistical without realizing it what a krazy guy indeed, haha, someone please call the loony bin.

he's been long enough on sputnik to know

Just been confirmed that the merch guy died.

One place I would absolutely not assume to be the target of a terrorist attack is a gig like this, horrible stuff.

I also find the French flag profile pic bandwagon a bit discomforting. On the one hand it does show solidarity and support but on the other, where's the flag profile for Lebanon, Iraq, Nigeria? Just seems a little contrived and disingenuous.

Why would it be contrived because they don't do the same for those countries? It just happened to be a constellation of circumstances that made it happen that way

Well some of it comes down to the fact that Facebook didn't come up with the same feature for those countries, also the media coverage of those other attacks has been relatively negligible compared to that of the France attacks.

But it just seems to me that the main reason a lot (not necessarily all) of the people who changed their profile pic did so because everyone else is doing it.

people just learning now that the media focuses on western events lmao

yeah

RIP

Also the mods might want to fact check this article, I believe it's something like 80 people that were killed at the EoDM show, the total death toll of the attacks comes to over 100.

I hate people sometimes.

"Where are those ~*trendy*~ people who absolutely don't care about France and do the profile thing exclusively to ~*be cool and edgy*~? Where are those people? Do they exist?"

do you have a facebook?

You only assume of others what you know about yourself tbh [x2]

RIP

maybe that was the only way the band could get attention because they actually suck

didnt see one of those oh so empathetic people on FB change their profile pic to a Lebanon flag this week after 43 died in terrorist bombs. You know, being so hurt and disillusioned with all this mindless violence in the world and that. In fact it really does seem that everyone only does it when it becomes 'a thing' 'a trend' strange that....when your so full of empathy.

I have a few friends in Paris, all ok, all heard the blast. The shooting at the concert was what hit home the most for me. As I assume most of us here go to quite a few show. I cant even imagine. Horrendous.

also all those people who actually dont care but write rip to keep a good image

Praying was my fave today. PRAYING for paris. yeah you do that. Religion seems to be working great.

"didnt see one of those oh so empathetic people on FB change their profile pic to a Lebanon flag this week after 43 died in terrorist bombs. You know, being so hurt and disillusioned with all this mindless violence in the world and that. In fact it really does seem that everyone only does it when it becomes 'a thing' 'a trend' strange that....when your so full of empathy."

People aren't always aware of everything all of the time, especially in your western culture where media selectively controls what you see

"also all those people who actually dont care but write rip to keep a good image"

You only assume of others what you know about yourself [x3]

"You only assume of others what you know about yourself [x3]"

that sentence is an assumption as well and sadly not correct

Fucking praying, lol. Kills me when people do that. Yeah, go pray. A lot of good that does. Religion is what got us into this mess.

I get the point about the egotistical nature of the reaction people have to such events. I've thought about that myself. How many people actually care? Who remembers Kony 2012? People posting a video on their stupid social media pages, ha... and I've seen enough of the essence of human nature. I've been around the Internet long enough. I've seen a lot of fear reactions and an overwhelming lack of empathy.

are those avenged sevenfold lyrics

I've been honoring the dead binge listening to Alcest. I can't think of a better choice.

Terribly tragic. -sigh/ shakes head-

It's disappointing that people are choosing to take the focus off the issue at hand in favor of bitching about the fact that some people actually care. If you don't care, do it silently. It's kind of "egotistical" to assume any of us would care. But whatever.

Be careful out there, people.

lotta neckbeards in here

I, unfortunately, cannot grow a beard on my face. Much less my neck. So that disqualifies me. :'(

Didn't know how to feel about these events at first when they were happening not very far from me, now I believe I am angry and sick and tired, this is the second time we've had this bullshit massacre of innocents this year. I am not directing my anger to easy scapegoats or anything else other than those bunch of motherfuckers who killed in the name of themselves only.
But I am angry and many people in france are angry right now. Towards the radicals of radicals who shoot their anger through empty violence directed at people who have nothing to do with it, as much as to our politicians who bullshit us with solidarity or peace speeches even though they are the same ones who droned villages to ashes and sold weapons to stirr up more shit and anger to countries rightfully mad at us.
I'm sick of all this anger whose victims are just innocent fucking people.
Kris as an individual I have an ego and therefore can never seperate myself from it completely (that's just human condition) but my anger is as egotistical as it is sincerely hurt by the physical and mental suffering of others who are putting up with this bullshit, myself goddam included

"Fucking praying, lol. Kills me when people do that. Yeah, go pray. A lot of good that does. Religion is what got us into this mess."
natural selection help us out here fam

"and I've seen enough of the essence of human nature. I've been around the Internet long enough. "

lmao

arcade taking the even higher road and letting everyone know he's taking it.

say what you want to say and walk away. who really cares what people think of your words? if they're good they'll stick with someone. many just want to get your goat anyway, as they lead drab and uneventful lives where no one even bats an eye at them. but if they say something extreme or edgy on the Internet, hell, they may get a thrill of attention for a second. as with anything else, you take from a situation what you choose to take from it.

You'd think something as brutal as a terrorist attack would be enough to unite people, but lol, this community.

Have any of you ever been to a funeral? Even if you didn't know the person, most people attending aren't such conceited, self-centered assholes as to make themselves the center of attention, or to mock everyone else for showing grief.

There's a lot of grieving people in the world right now. At least on Facebook people have the decency to pretend to be sympathetic.

Anyway, peace, love, and fuck terrorists. Fuck them so hard. RIP and Vive la France

Sad indeed,
You can never truly imagine what they are going through unless someone dears to you dies like that.

Weird, for some reason I thought this was posted over 6 hours before I put that first comment, but I'm glad to see so many have joined in the conversation

@Krazy Kris

Fucking thank you. My FB feed is being spammed by lazy, insincere RIPs and condolences to people they never met, topped with a profile picture change that took literally less than a second. For what -- to make them appear socially conscious to their friends? Like they're worldly and peaceful? They can fuck off. Sure it's not doing any direct harm, but it's also much more meaningless than they think it is. They sure as hell aren't going to do any more than take 2 seconds to feign care and then move on. We all know it's a tragedy, but it's like they're trying to one-up eachother with how devastated and disgusted they are. Of course it's disgusting -- but they did not know anyone involved and cannot express a fraction of that sorrow and suffering, so giving half-assed vague attempts is almost more offensive than if they said nothing at all.

Lol at you morons acting like people changing their profile picture on Facebook is in any way a bad thing. It's just an inconsequential gesture.

its not bad, its just misguided as fuck

http://theantimedia.org/america-your-solidarity-with-paris-is-embarrassingly-misguided/

Sympathy for the dead should come without the cloak of some sort of burden of nationality. Agreed on that count for sure.

(But it is only done with good intentions)

Shits annoying how it just turns into into social media political arguments before we even know the victims names. Granted the politics are very important, but all I see is people screaming at each other on facebook and unfriending each other. Fuck the ignorant ass comments, just ignore it and show your opinion through helpful action, no matter how minute it is. Looking through your facebook wall for everyone you need to unfriend is really hypocritical if you're boasting all the changes you think need to be made.

even if one managed to kill everyone with a different view, the last bit of people that remained will differ with one another at some point, and they will breed people with more different views. So can't stop it.

Reach out to the person next to you, especially if they have been affected by the attacks or even if not imo. There's bad shit going on every day and tragedies like these should bring us closer together. But just stop posting stupid hashtags on your FB wall. Yes it might be raising awareness (not really), but it is for the most part insincere and brings us further away from the real issue.

I changed my fb profile pic because I'm french and I wanted to show solidarity towards my nationals. However, doing it as an american (or whoever not from France) is a bit misplaced.

It was an awkward idea in the first place to suggest that option only for the french attack, especially two days after the lebanese one.

"You only assume of others what you know about yourself tbh"
repeating it 4 times doesnt make it any smarter or any less contextually unfounded.

also, self [x]. cmon man.

"lotta neckbeards in here"
this isn't even remotely close to whatever stereotypical "neckbeard" conversation you're imagining.

Also especially if youre from the west and you watch our governments slaughter civilians in the name of democracy and freedom and ANTI TERRORISM. And shake hands with the chinese and the Saudis and dont do or say anything about it. But when all your mates change their profile pictures your deep caring side comes out because you suddenly hate injustice any where in the world. (especially towards mostly white people) Well youre a hypocrital dickhead. Youre following a trend. You dont really care about human suffering in general. Its just todays thing youre 'supposed to care about' so they join in. Waiting for the next fucking bucket to throw over their heads.

More importantly does anyone else buy the old 'ohhh we found a passport' bullshit anymore?

well today I couldn't find my license so I had to use my passport to buy cheap wine

does that count?

"this isn't even remotely close to whatever stereotypical "neckbeard" conversation you're imagining."

a lot of predictable neckbeardy "hurr religion sucks, pray for france? LOL fuck praying" comments itt tho

terrorists, considering theyre suppose to set this up in secret then blow them selves up seem to have a habit of leaving damn passports, unscathed, at these scenes.

"Fucking thank you. My FB feed is being spammed by lazy, insincere RIPs and condolences to people they never met, topped with a profile picture change that took literally less than a second. For what -- to make them appear socially conscious to their friends? Like they're worldly and peaceful? They can fuck off. Sure it's not doing any direct harm, but it's also much more meaningless than they think it is. They sure as hell aren't going to do any more than take 2 seconds to feign care and then move on. We all know it's a tragedy, but it's like they're trying to one-up eachother with how devastated and disgusted they are. Of course it's disgusting -- but they did not know anyone involved and cannot express a fraction of that sorrow and suffering, so giving half-assed vague attempts is almost more offensive than if they said nothing at all."

Agree with this pretty much. Well said.

"a lot of predictable neckbeardy "hurr religion sucks, pray for france? LOL fuck praying" comments itt tho"

potato potato

people changing their profile pictures is not the issue. The issue is people attacking them about how they are doing nothing while they do nothing lol. The whole "i'm more sympathetic than you", or "i understand politics better than you" is fucking stupid. Go donate to doctors without borders (or a different transparent charity), or reach out in some way, and then you can have a field day unfriending everyone who disagrees with you.

[2] hard, again

Not a fan of the title of this article. Facts aren't even correct either.

anybody wanna hear my opinion?? probably not, but what are you gonna do, just not read it? come on, my prose is too compelling.

where public displays of sympathy are concerned, i'm pretty much with KrazyKris, i find them a bit indelicate. but this is my way of expressing my feelings about this, and as it's anonymous it's not exactly a great show of tact and strength either.

and as for the events themselves, i just hope that those not immediately affected can move on. i can just imagine how happy all these terrorists are about the never-ending media coverage. and i don't feel like there's anything to be learned from these tragedies anyway. except for the fact that the west needs to stop getting involved in matters that it does not comprehend. but we could have learned that like 1000 times already, so its probably not gonna happen ever.

Fucking hell, I was at a Paradise Lost gig when I heard about this news. Deeply sympathize with the families and friends of all those who died at the hands of people who don't even deserve the luxury of living. The worst thing about this is that an attack like this could happen anywhere, anytime.

It's no secret that the media tends to focus on western events. That doesn't mean that people should be ignoring what happened in Paris, definitely not, just to also keep in mind the attacks that happened in places such as Beirut.

It really bums me out that the result of a tragedy is a bunch of slanderous debate on the internet. I think there's reasonable points on both sides of the issue, but who cares what someone else's Facebook picture is. I think rather than give people shit for being too focused on the Western world we should educate them about the events they may not know about. It always seem like the biggest opportunities for solidarity turn into the biggest examples of division.

You change your profile pic to a french flag... cool, that's a show of support i suppose even if you are doing nothing. It kinda loses its meaning to me and becomes a disgusting trend when it's a pic of you smiling with a beer in your hand in front of the eiffel tower with a flag filter in the background. That's when it becomes selfish.

"they mean basically the same thing -_- . no wonder you don't like languages"

Good fucking god. Grab a dictionary. You're better than this. They are different words.

Btw, I dislike the fact that this planet has over 7 thousand languages on it. Not language as a whole.

good news. by the way josh homme wasn't with them on this tour.

This thread is just depressing. This site sometimes!

This thread is just depressing. This site sometimes!

My road is higher than all the other roads. Sorrynotsorry.

so killing EODM fans is worse than killing other people who aren't EODM fans?

also some people w/ sticks up their asses itt

We can all agree it is a tragedy, I donated to Red Cross and didn't make my profile the French flag but I think everyone doing it raises awareness and instead of arguing we should come to an agreement, sure some people are doing it to be relevant but coincidentally it really is helping because it's spreading awareness, although a lot bad has come from this also, I see a lot of racist whites blaming Muslims and I see a bunch of Muslims saying it's an inside job and how we are out to destroy them it's sad that we can't use this to band together :/

So, here's my impression. I've been following the story from the onset of the attacks and even though I would normally describe myself as a cold, detached, unempathic person, this shook me pretty bad. I flagged my profile picture with the tricolore, simply because what happened hurt me on a very deep level. I visited France and Paris only once in my youth, stayed there for a week, so despite the briefness France inevitably influenced my life. Furthermore, three days before the attacks my girlfriend and I were fantasising what would we do if we, say, won the lottery. I told her I would take her to a breakfast in Paris.

So, you see, it's not about who the French are or "why do you weep for the French and not the Libyans, Lebanese, insert whatever you please", it's about lifestyle. These cretins attacked what we in Europe consider our lifestyle (at least many of us) and that is the reason why this is so relatable and why it hurts some of us. To someone listening to metal music, even more so. And btw EODM understandably cancelled their show in Zagreb (which is where I live), so the ripples from the attack affect people in many ways, however small or insignificant that may seem to someone. Simply because something is trendy doesn't mean that everyone did it because it was a trend.

Nobody said it was Sin. A lot people are genuinely moved of that theres no doubt and rightly so especially the shootings at the gig, For anyone who cant connect with that there must be something wrong with you but theres also no doubt that a lot of people do it because it becomes 'a thing'. 'trending' or whatever the fuck they call it. Its happening now it happened with the Ice bucket challenge which became nothing about ALS. Modern day your 'emotions' are attached to a click on a computer and thats it. No need to discuss whats happening,why,debates. I changed my profile and thats me doing my part? People here are getting arsey as if its an attack on them. Change it if you want do you what you feel of course but theres no doubt that theres plenty of people who couldnt even really tell you what happened, how many where killed blah blah. Theyre just joining in. Changing there pic to them on the beach with a beer and their tits hanging out with a french flag draped over it? fuck off. Its more a symbol of how fucking stupid people are and easy to form a line and follow for me.Thats why I dont bother but whatever. I take it now everyone is so upset they will be also keeping an eye on what happens to the rest of the world regarding IS etc? No they will more likely change the pic back at the weekend to some 'sick party' they attended.

On the subject of what happened tho....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GAbVhjTSw&feature=youtu.be

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/got-a-french-flag-on-your-facebook-profile-picture-congratulations-on-your-corporate-white-supremacy-a6736526.html

I love how a thread about a tragedy that affects hundreds of thousand of people can turn into a dick-measuring contest. Supporting France through a misguided photo on Facebook is one thing. Using this whole thing as a pedestal for your meaningless, personal judgements is even worse. Get over yourselves.

Couldn't have said it better Pit, the moral superiority brigade can straight fuck off.

So can the fake empathy cunts.

If you think its just a case of dick measuring you are completely missing the point. Read the article from the Independent.

^Why not focus on what happened rather than the "fake empathy cunts?" By sitting here arguing over their bullshit, you prove yourself just as useless as you proclaim them to be.

Ive already said that about 4 times in this thread. It should be getting discussed thats why i posted a link. (you tube one)

This is dick-measuring, because this isn't an article on Sputnik about how to properly show empathy. It's an article about a band miraculously surviving one of the most horrifying terrorist attacks we've seen. You want to argue about who's viewpoint is right and ignore the actual events themselves, do it on that. This thread should be about gratitude for the ones who survived and condolences for the ones that didn't, not about your personal view points. It's a matter of respect, not correct world views.

I'm done. I've made my point.

I went to the same mosque as Jihadi John and thought what a bloody nice bloke. It's not these radicalised individuals who are the problem but society. When are we going to realise we are all the same, I don't believe in someone's elses god but that shouldn't matter why do they take it to heart?
Are they that desperate to claim Israel? How can they want it that much? I mean it's not like an I-Pad.
All the scholars are very pragmatic in there approach to a based rational view and people still don't understand. Why not? I think people are silly.

And as always the answer will be more bombs. take more freedoms away. Its always like its part of a plan huh? Start by throwing more bombs because that seems to have always been a great solution.

Why not focus on what happened rather than the "fake empathy cunts?" By sitting here arguing over their bullshit, you prove yourself just as useless as you proclaim them to be. [2]

I'm positive that if everyone sat around a table with a nice tray of biscuits and tea things could be ironed out. These people will surely listen to compromise, it's what makes us human after all. I can't shed anymore tears over this wasteful loss because of people being silly billys.
"Caliphate, you say? Yes why not. Slice of batten burg. Restoration of the holy land? Of course, but obviously I'm thinking trade agreements. One lump or two?"

pit, as usual, is right on the money

p much

Isis are maniacs,stone cold maniacs but the wests hands are hardly clean themselves. Its something I personally dont see ending.

I really dislike people that use this as a "BAD THINGS HAPPEN OTHER PLACES, TOO," platform. Can you imagine being in the band right now? Could you ever even step on stage again?

I dunno if you saw this doing the FB rounds.....imagine being there, going to shows again will be almost impossible....

you never think it will happen to you. It was just a friday night at a rock show. the atmosphere was so happy and everyone was dancing and smiling. and then when the men came through the front entrance and began the shooting, we naiively believed it was all part of the show. It wasn't just a terrorist attack, it was a massacre. Dozens of people were shot right infront of me. Pools of blood filled the floor. Cries of grown men who held their girlfriends dead bodies pierced the small music venue. Futures demolished, families heartbroken. in an instant. Shocked and alone, I pretended to be dead for over an hour, lying among people who could see their loved ones motionless.. Holding my breath, trying to not move, not cry - not giving those men the fear they longed to see. I was incredibly lucky to survive. But so many didn't. The people who had been there for the exact same reasons as I - to have a fun friday night were innocent. This world is cruel. And acts like this are suppose to highlight the depravity of humans and the images of those men circuling us like vultures will haunt me for the rest of my life. The way they meticoulsy aimed at shot people around the standing area i was in the centre of without any consideration for human life. It didn't feel real. i expected any moment for someone to say it was just a nightmare. But being a survivor of this horror lets me able to shed light on the heroes. To the man who reassured me and put his life on line to try and cover my brain whilst i whimpered, to the couple whose last words of love kept me believing the good in the world, to the police who succeded in rescuing hundreds of people, to the complete strangers who picked me up from the road and consoled me during the 45 minutes I truly believed the boy i loved was dead, to the injured man who i had mistaken for him and then on my recognition that he was not Amaury, held me and told me everything was going to be fine despite being all alone and scared himself, to the woman who opened her doors to the survivors, '

ctd....


to the friend who offered me shelter and went out to buy new clothes so i wouldnt have to wear this blood stained top, to all of you who have sent caring messages of support - you make me believe this world has the potential to be better. to never let this happen again. but most of this is to the 80 people who were murdered inside that venue, who weren't as lucky, who didnt get to wake up today and to all the pain that their friends and families are going through. I am so sorry. There's nothing that will fix the pain. I feel priviledged to be there for their last breaths. And truly beliving that I would join them, I promise that their last thoughts were not on the animals who caused all this. It was thinking of the people they loved. As i lay down in the blood of strangers and waiting for my bullet to end my mere 22 years, I envisioned every face that I have ever loved and whispered I love you. over and over again. reflecting on the highlights of my life. Wishing that those i love knew just how much, wishing that they knew that no matter what happened to me, to keep belieivng in the good in people. to not let those men win. Last night, the lives of many were forever changed and it is up to us to be better people. to live lives that the innocent victims of this tragedy dreamt about but sadly will now never be able to fulfil. RIP angels. You will never be forgotten.

RIP

Yesterday my roommate was talking about how annoying people were for posting photos of themselves with the Paris flag. I asked him if he cared and he said "No. It's not like it happened here."

RIP respect for roommate

Your roommate is a cunt

Yeah, he's a cunt for calling people out for making a decision that isn't meaningful or difficult.

It's like calling someone a cunt for choosing Burger King over McDonald's. At the end of the day, it's still going to come out as shit. Another issue, another flush.

"It's like calling someone a cunt for choosing Burger King over McDonald's. At the end of the day, it's still going to come out as shit. Another issue, another flush."

this doesn't really seem to be even close to a remotely viable analogy.

It's just you.

if you didn't hear about paris you are living under a rock

Well this thread was a very interesting read I thought... I just talked to the experts and they told me five things:

(1) There is a very distinct and tangible difference between sympathy and empathy

(2) Yes, there is a level of depravity that exists in this thread and in (very few) people's motivations for indirectly associating with this tragedy on facebook or otherwise.

but
(3) This can and will be easily ignored if you actually care to make a difference

and also
(4) Regardless of motive the power of human togetherness is the most powerful terrestrial force

and most importantly
(5) My road is the highest of roads

but even more importantly FUCK PUSSY TERRORISTS they do not deserve attention which is why any diversion from them is a good one

btw thank you for posting that deez

RIP

Were there reports on how the guys with guns even got into the venue?

"Were there reports on how the guys with guns even got into the venue?"

It was six attackers with kalaschnikows. They killed the bouncers and stormed the building. Nobody was prepared for such an attack.

yeah, it was pretty front door.

"t was six attackers with kalaschnikows."

kms

"kms"

lol k

anyone who spells kalashnikov like that...

anyone who takes the time to sarcastically correct someone's spelling on an article about a terror attack...

is trash

can this thread die now plz