nice, three amazing bands
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This might be the greatest news I have ever heard.
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Oh. My. God.
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welp, i'm going to this tour for sure.
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This is basically the last nail in BTBAM's coffin
The order was like Victory Records, stealing half the members of Glass Casket, releasing a crappy covers album, releasing Colors, this
The two from Glass Casket should just stick with that at least then they don't have to deal with banjo interludes and playing with losers like DT and Opeth
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A good package tour going through the states??? I didn't know that was possible... I'll be there for sure.
“I’ve always prided myself on personally hand picking new and exciting opening acts for DREAM THEATER in the past. Bands such as... FATES WARNING..." New??? These guys were releasing albums before he was even in college learning how to hold his drum sticks...
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This is basically the last nail in BTBAM's coffin. The order was like Victory Records, stealing half the members of Glass Casket, releasing a crappy covers album, releasing Colors, this. The two from Glass Casket should just stick with that at least then they don't have to deal with banjo interludes and playing with losers like DT and Opeth
WOW. That is all I can say. Just wow. You and Altmer should go make out.
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No he's right except Colors isn't too bad.
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dude colors is the uber pwnge! it cr00shes u
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Wow this might be the most dreary tour...ever.
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Wow, all three of those bands are amazing to say the least.
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this is one of those concerts where you're not sure if you want to pay 50 bucks (or possibly more) to see bands who just stand there and play their instruments... I saw DT this summer for 50. Musically, it was amazing. But I was pretty bored after about an hour. (Maybe Opeth and BTBAM are more energetic.. anyone want to shed some light on this for me?)
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fuck come to europe guys please
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holy fuck!!! I need to go this tour!!! Dream Theater, Opeth, BTBAM...this is gonna be fucking sick. I just hope they get relatively lengthy setlists, i dont want opeth to play like, 2 songs.
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No he's right
Dude, he is not right. He is definitely in the minority when shit talking about Opeth on here. Dream Theater get a little old sometimes, but 3 are just fucking epic.
The two from Glass Casket should just stick with that at least then they don't have to deal with banjo interludes and playing with losers like DT and Opeth
You're obviously not a fan of progressive music...
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And why isn't anyone saying anything about 3? They own.This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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“PROGRESSIVE NATION” more like "BANDS THAT DON'T MOVE ON STAGE", amirite amirite
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This tour is gonna be pretty cool. It'll be funny to see how some of Dream Theater's mainstream fans are gonna react to Opeth and BTBAM
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Nice...
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Oh My Fucking God.
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eh,maybe if Dream Theater and Opeth didn't sound so emotionless to me.
Skilled bands,but I can't get much emotion out of their recordings.
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This is basically the last nail in BTBAM's coffin
The order was like Victory Records, stealing half the members of Glass Casket, releasing a crappy covers album, releasing Colors, this
The two from Glass Casket should just stick with that at least then they don't have to deal with banjo interludes and playing with losers like DT and Opeth
Please add the part describing how this is the last nail in the coffin for BTBAM.
Oh, and that's funny how DT and Opeth are losers being two of the biggest metal bands around today. This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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eh,maybe if Dream Theater and Opeth didn't sound so emotionless to me.
*listens to Bleak, The Drapery Falls, To Bid You Farewell, Baying of the Hounds, Isolation Years, When, anything from Damnation, Face of Melinda, Serenity Painted Death, Demon of the Fall*
Definitely not emotionless music. I find that Opeth make some of the most emotional songs out there. This is mainly because Opeth, while being progressive, never wank their instruments. I can see how you may find DT emotionless, but Opeth writes many of their songs with emotion at the forefront.
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A year ago I think I would've gone crazy over it. The only band I still like out of those four is Opeth. I saw 3 open for Porcupine Tree and I couldn't stand them.
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Holy Sweet ****!
I swear, if this doesn't come to Canada, I will kill someone.
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" I saw 3 open for Porcupine Tree and I couldn't stand them."
Why? Just cause the front man doesn't sing like the a moron (James LaBrie)? Truth is, they are the best band on that list. The others are top notch too, but 3's creativity is through the roof. And Joey's style is incredible.
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@ deathtotheinfidels, just cus he's a minority on this site he's wrong?
Not a fan of any of these bands so im not to keen about this tour though i find it nice to see a swedish band like opeth do well.
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Holy Shit! I need to go to this. Dream Theater, Opeth and Between the Buried and Me are in my top 10 favorite bands, this is a dream come true
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BTBAM is the only good band on that tour.
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Why don't people realize there are actually four bands?
I'd love this to come to the UK. Even though DT are boring live and I've seen Opeth.
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DT ruled when I saw them.
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I'm going to this for sure. I need to see Opeth really badly.
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You're obviously not a fan of progressive music... you're obviously stupid if you think anything any of the bands on these bills are doing is "progressive", and so is DT for calling this crap "PROGRESSIVE NERRRRRTION"
Progressive is probably the most annoying term used in music today, especially when it's applied to bands who release concept albums/shred/have omg SOFT PARTS in metal songs
Please add the part describing how this is the last nail in the coffin for BTBAM. I already did, all I was saying is they flat-out suck now
Oh, and that's funny how DT and Opeth are losers being two of the biggest metal bands around today. Too bad they both still make awful musicThis Message Edited On 11.06.07
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SubtleDagger, you really shouldn't be calling people stupid when you are arrogant enough to think that you're worthless opinion (except to you) is fact. It's you're right to not like Opeth and DT (I don't like DT either), but they are definitely not "losers" in the music world.
Why does it offend you so much that people call these bands progressive? I bet you don't even know what progressive really means. It's a term used to describe bands who have songs that progress throughout and rarely return to any of the riffs played earlier in the song. Maybe you should stop being a genre nazi and the typical internet tough guy who thinks he's a genius. This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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I saw BTBAM back in October and they bascially played most of Colors back to back with no pause between songs and no interaction with the crowd.
The music was amazing, but over all I grew very bored before the show was over.
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I hear DT's drumsets tend to be larger than the stages they put them onThis Message Edited On 11.06.07
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SubtleDagger, you really shouldn't be calling people stupid when you are arrogant enough to think that you're worthless opinion (except to you) is fact. You should quit caring so much about your own opinion to the point that you get all uppity about someone else's
It's you're right to not like Opeth and DT (I don't like DT either), but they are definitely not "losers" in the music world. They make crappy music, it's just a generic insult so quit getting semantic please, I'll call them "morons" or "dummyheads" if you'd prefer that
Why does it offend you so much that people call these bands progressive? Maybe you should stop being a genre nazi and the typical internet tough guy who thinks he's a genius. It doesn't offend me it's just irritating in the same way that people calling whiny pop punk "emo" is irritating
Except worse because progressive really has never had a solid definition and is obviously useless as a genre, it's nothing more than a musical buzzword and it pretty much always has beenThis Message Edited On 11.06.07
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...Or perhaps you two should stop arguing on the internets?
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I agree with Subtle.
DT, Opeth, BTBAM are all metal. And thats all I've ever labeled them. Fuck you can call Radiohead progressive but they sound nowhere near like any of those three.
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I don't fucking believe it. There must be something wrong. Oh, I get it, they're not coming to NE.
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You should quit caring so much about your own opinion to the point that you get all uppity about someone else's
What a lame reply. Way to squeak out of being a moron by turning it around on me. You obviously have gotten "uppity" too.
They make crappy music, it's just a generic insult so quit getting semantic please, I'll call them "morons" or "dummyheads" if you'd prefer that
That would be better actually. That's an opinion. Maybe you shouldn't state things as fact such as, "This is the last nail in the coffin for BTBAM," because it obviously isn't. Maybe it's the last nail for you for some weird reason (I don't know why you would care who they tour with).
It doesn't offend me it's just irritating in the same way that people calling whiny pop punk "emo" is irritating
Except worse because progressive really has never had a solid definition and is obviously useless as a genre, it's nothing more than a musical buzzword and it pretty much always has been
Nothing has a solid definition, but that's what progressive is.
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Maybe you should quit taking everything someone else says (obviously my opinion) so unbelievably personally jesus christ
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DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
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@subtledagger: nobody cares, quit being so defensive.
@eakflanderyof: ditto.
Personally, I enjoy these bands, but I am not sure how watching them live would turn out.
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Maybe you should quit taking everything someone else says (obviously my opinion) so unbelievably personally jesus christ
Maybe you should say things as your opinion because you really didn't. I would not have said anything if you said all these bands suck, but you went and made all these outrageous claims. The way you said "last nail in the coffin for BTBAM" made it sound like you were saying that they were going to die out after this. I was disagreeing with you on that.
Basically, I'm saying that the way you worded things made it sound like you meant a different thing than you really did.
Also, if you would quit making idiotic claims like "progressive music does not exist because I say so," I would not be forced to argue. Progressive is no more idiotic of a term than something like pyshedelic.
I agree that progressive isn't really a genre, but I think it's a necessary term for bands that blend a bunch of influences together and rarely repeat riffs. If you tell someone that Opeth or BTBAM are just metal bands, they're going to be taken by complete surprise when they listen.This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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If people have to say "in my opinion" before every opinion they express in order for you not to act like a prick, I think that sounds like more of a problem with you than other people
"Opeth sucks dick"
EXCUSE ME SIR BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF INFERRING THE SEXUAL PRACTICES OF THE MEMBERS OF OPETH PLEASE ADJUST YOUR POST ACCORDINGLYThis Message Edited On 11.06.07
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lol.
This tour would be sweet
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If people have to say "in my opinion" before every opinion they express in order for you not to act like a prick, I think that sounds like more of a problem with you than other people
"Opeth sucks dick"
EXCUSE ME SIR BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF INFERRING THE SEXUAL PRACTICES OF THE MEMBERS OF OPETH PLEASE ADJUST YOUR POST ACCORDINGLY
Oh my god, I've never met a poster on the internet who was so moronic and such a prick at the same time. Completely horrible analogy you made there, but what more could I expect from someone of your likes. You're completely twisting what I'm saying to what you want me to be saying. Typical internet tough guy who thinks he's god. You can't make an argument so you twist what I say to make one. Pathetic.
You don't have to say imo (sigh, I've been through this argument a thousand times with other asshats), but if you say something like "This is the end for BTBAM," that is up for debate. If you disagree that a statement like that isn't up for debate, then you are a moron and it's useless to argue with you.
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Subtle just shut up. You say that Opeth and Dream Theater aren't progressive - wake up call THEY ARE. If youve listened to their discographies you'd realize that theyre as progressive as they get in the metal scene.
If you think theyre just bad bands, thats completely different
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If you don't think Colors is good, your an anal little jerk.
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DT are great live. LaBrie is so strong with the crowd suprisingly. Would lovve this to come to the UK, I'll cry if it doesn't get here in some way shape or form.
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I have yet to see DT live (grounded the day before the show, I had a ticket), but from what Ive seen in Score they're fantastic
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Colors is good but when you listen to Silent Circus, well it pales in comparison.
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Besides 3, this tour sounds amazing.
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So is Alaska better then Colors? If So I need to get it.
and I'm pretty sure BTBAM sucks ass live, even though I love them
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Why does it offend you so much that people call these bands progressive? I bet you don't even know what progressive really means. It's a term used to describe bands who have songs that progress throughout and rarely return to any of the riffs played earlier in the song. Maybe you should stop being a genre nazi and the typical internet tough guy who thinks he's a genius.
Thank you for saying this! STFU Subtle!
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Ok, yep, I think I can now say in all honesty that I have completely lost interest in BTBAM.
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Look, DT and Opeth aren't progressive because they don't really "progress" all that much from one record to the next. If you mean progressive, the way its sometimes used, to describe a genre of music with very long songs with a lot of solos, time signature changes, etc. than yes, they are progressive. But in the traditional sense, they aren't progressive.
And I like Opeth a lot, I don't mean it as an insult.
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I don't see DT being that wild of a band to get the crowd going nuts, i've seen Opeth already (and as amazing as they are, the crowd was motionless), BTBAM looks like they'd have a lot of potential to get the crowd moving and i personally wanna see them, and i don't think i've ever even heard of 3 before...
so idk, i might just go for the hell of it, but who knows.This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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alright so after reading that terrible arguement, can somebody tell me what 3 is like? Opeth and BTBAM are two reasons for me to go, with DT bringing down 25% of my desire to go to this tour...I still don't know about 3, but if I can get 70% attendancy desire, I'll be excited.
now I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that each one of these bands is way better than anybody here will ever be, so that gives a pretty good qualification to each person here debating bullshiit to shut up. Even if you rant to your hearts content and change every single person's opinion to your own, you'll still never be as cool as the subject of your discussion.
so go learn to play, "Face of Melinda" and stop bitching about a nail in the coffin of your least favorite band that got wrongfully genre tagged by somebody you'll never meet.
but really, is 3 any good?
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BUT THIS IS PROGRESSIVE NATION THESE PEOPLE KNOW PROGRESSIVE
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Look, DT and Opeth aren't progressive because they don't really "progress" all that much from one record to the next. If you mean progressive, the way its sometimes used, to describe a genre of music with very long songs with a lot of solos, time signature changes, etc. than yes, they are progressive. But in the traditional sense, they aren't progressive.
But progressive music has never really been defined as that. It's never been about progressing throughout the discography. That's known as experimental.
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Eaklflpjgioh you are an idiot. SubtleDagger is a pretentious dickhead but he 100% right about "progressive" being an idiots way to describe music.
Why would I care about your "opinion?" You're one of the biggest morons on this site. All you do is agree with the few people that actually like you here.
And I guess you guys are saying that 99.9% of the population that describe these bands as progressive are idiots. You guys (the extreme minority) are the right ones. Yep. So stupid. Progressive ia an appropriate term for some bands. Get over it. Go cry about somewhere else. This Message Edited On 11.06.07This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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How am I a hypocrite? Some dude says that these bands aren't progressive and I said they are because that's what they obviously are.
Oh, and also stop calling people idiots because you disagree with them. That's ****ing retarded.This Message Edited On 11.06.07
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I couldn't care less what people think of me here. I know everyone hates me with the exception of a few casuals here. I don't give a damn. I don't think I'm the biggest idiot or jerk here as I'm often made out to be, though, just because I'm willing to disagree with the popular guys on this site.
I call people out for debate when I disagree with what they say. I negatively call them out when they insult someone. I probably wouldn't have even called Subtledagger out if he didn't call that deathtotheinfidels guy an idiot. If I called someone an idiot or some of the things that many of you guys call people, I would be flamed to hell and back. That's hypocritical.
I just hate the fact that intelligent discussions are often marred by people who insult others and agree with the big popular users no matter how stupid their "point" is.
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You act as if any argument has any life in it. Most music arguments that take place have already taken place a million times elsewhere, unless you want to argue about whether a new album is good or not.
And just because it's been argued makes subtledagger correct automatically? You act as if I was the only person pursuing the argument when he clearly was as well.
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Naturally, I'm the idiot because you agree with him. Hmmmm...
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Somewhere, an old man is happily playing a fiddle and no one is arguing around him because they are happy to accept what he thinks is good music.
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Somewhere, an old man is happily playing a fiddle and no one is arguing around him because they are happy to accept what he thinks is good music.
best thing said ever
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I really hope you aren't like this all of the time tbh. You'd be quite aggravating to deal with in the business world.
And I too hope that you don't act this way in the business world. If you call your boss an idiot because you disagree with him then you won't have a job long.
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It angers me that people say BTBAM are boring live cause they don't scream, "HOW YA DOIN TONIGHT [ENTER CITY NAME HERE]" and "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?!" and bang their heads and make sharp jagged movements with their guitars.
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and I'm pretty sure BTBAM sucks *** live, even though I love them
Have you ever seen them live?
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BTBAM, DT, Opeth were the f**k do i sign up
i just saw btbam last week one of the most energetic shows ive seen in awhile
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I'd be excited if I were playing colors
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DREAM THEATER are currently in the middle of their “Chaos In Motion” World Tour which has already traveled extensively throughout Europe and North America in support of their latest Roadrunner Records CD “Systematic Chaos”. The World Tour will continue throughout 2008 hitting Asia, Australia and South America before concluding with PROGRESSIVE NATION returning to North America in April/May 2008. They haven't even officially announced they're coming to Oz. I guess this is confirmation???
Somewhere, an old man is happily playing a fiddle and no one is arguing around him because they are happy to accept what he thinks is good music. This is awesome.
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Eakflanderyof, shut up, seriously, you're way out of your league. All you ever do is stir up shit for the sake of it. I wish I could be a mod for 10 seconds so I could ban you.
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Epic thread. If Floridas here, then i'm game cuz im the dawg.
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I would not call DT progressive, they are rather repetive actually. They were the most boring concert I have ever been too, it was the same over and over and over.
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What does moving on stage have to do with MUSIC????
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So could you call Dream Theater technical heavy metal then?
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What does moving on stage have to do with MUSIC????
It's more fun for the audience if the musicians seem to enjoy playing their music as much as the audience enjoys listening to it.... standing still on stage does not convey that message.
*remembers seeing black tide*
*shudders*This Message Edited On 11.07.07
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Meh, if it's not too expensive, I'll go. I'd rather see one band or the other...Opeth in a supporting slot does not do them justice, and Dream Theater playing anything less than a 3 hour set is boring. Paying 80 bucks to see Dream Theater this summer was enjoyable, sure, but a bit of a copout, especially with their lame setlist...
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and Dream Theater playing anything less than a 3 hour set is boring.
You mean you'd rather them play LONGER?
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You mean in the ilk of Zakk Wylde standing on stage for 15 minutes?
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What a fucking incredible tour.
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The likeness of
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Eakflanderyof, shut up, seriously, you're way out of your league. All you ever do is stir up **** for the sake of it. I wish I could be a mod for 10 seconds so I could ban you.
Wow, you are so lame. U R OUT OF UR LEEGUE DUDE! Get real, this is the internet. And you would be one crappy mod if you banned someone just because you don't like them. I have done nothing more to justify being banned than subtledagger or iluvatar. I don't stir up crap because I don't insult people. Subtledagger calls someone an idiot, yet I'm the jerk who should be banned. That's amusing.
All I did was call out his statements for debate because the way he worded it was confusing. It seemed like he was saying BTBAM were going to die out because of this by the way he stated it. He was the one who turned it into a *****fest. I only became irritated with him because he called someone an idiot. People who constantly insult people for little to no reason other than not agreeing with them are the ones that should be banned. Nobody here is better than anyone else and you guys shouldn't act like you are. I can have a debate with whoever I want about whatever I want.
Plus, when someone says that a genre doesn't exist, that's very debatable. PROG ROCK DOSNT EXIST BC I SAY SO! Then I get called a moron for disagreeing. You guys amaze me sometimes. This Message Edited On 11.08.07
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I think i just creamed. If i see anything on this tour i will cry blood.
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Eakflanderyof,
I think its the fact that the mods are tired of you not letting an issue go. I agree with what your saying but your wasting your time by telling the mods something they have probably heard a million times!
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