first single really grew on me and i love it now; second single sucks; this one is pretty generic, but might grow on me like the first one did.

There's not much music out there worse than this.

i actually agree with a lot of the criticisms, but i think my enjoyment comes from the atmosphere more than anything else.

oh boy more buttcore slop

baddiecore was a mistake

I blame Sleep Token

ehm excuse me its called CUM metal tyvm

this band should be getting just as much heat as sleep token tbh, this shit fucking sucks. More mid tempo ((atmospheric)) alt metal with no fucking riffs

Maybe it’s recency bias but I don’t think I’ve hated mainstream metal more in my life than the current trend of this bullshit

Yeah, same. I mean, these rock bands that emerged from the core scene barely use their guitars at all. God forbid a riff enters the song at any point, let alone a guitar solo or something. I used to really be into metalcore and even enjoyed the alt-rock trend that BMTH brought with TTS, but I can't stomach all this repetitive shit anymore.

I’ll go ahead and wrap this genre argument up real nicely:

Is Breaking Benjamin metalcore? Because that’s the exact type of shit we keep calling “modern metalcore” like it’s even close. Downtuned guitars and one little shouty bit for 10 seconds does not a metal song make. Is Hum modern metalcore??

"I blame Sleep Token"

At least this guy can sing

I’d argue that genres evolve through time and their definitions broaden to include more bands, like, if someone in 1986 just got done jamming Master of Puppets then somehow was able to listen to, idk, something like Terminal Redux or some shit, do you think they’d call that thrash? I would say probably not, it’s cause the shit evolved to include bands like that.

But this is not metalcore, the band barely ever even dipped their toes in it from what I heard. I’m just calling it alt metal and being done with it. But there’s the thing, I would also call Breaking Benjamin alt metal, and these bands sound nothing alike.

Idk there’s a conversation in there somewhere but I’m high as fuck and about to go to sleep

True Emim

These guys have no identity, when i first found them they where blatent BMTH sempiternal rip offs. Noah(only know his name because a friend is mad about them) can at least sing but this is just generic slop

"I blame Sleep Token"

“At least this guy can sing”

this is a very good point, this guy is much better than that douchebag, but that doesn’t amount to much when I’d find reading a fucking dictionary more appealing than listening to an hour of this bullshit

yea dull alt rock whining, the obligatory compressed screaming bridge and more alt rock whining and people sure be gonna drooling over it

bland vanilla pop metal made for spotify algorithms

The atmosphere of the track is cool, those shoegazey guitars are nice to hear.

Here we go, a positive opinion for some change.

I think this 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 be good if:
a) the chorus didn't use the same melody for each line
b) screams appeared in more places than just the bridge, which reduced them to the role of a gimmick
c) the general structure was at least moderately changed
d) the production didn't adhere to the modern mainstream metal standards.

you can hear the guitars Aeris?

this is honestly the first time i've heard this band which is wild considering how huge they seem to be and, yeah, seems to track based on the other metal acts that are massive right now. idk if i would even call this metal tbh, more hard rock than anything. sounds like all the breaking benjamin-adjacent hard rock from the mid-to-late 00s with frankly worse songwriting.

Oh look, it's BMTH song #9489438483943. How impressive.

Ask a bunch of modern metalcore fans if they think Breaking Benjamin is modern metalcore and watch them shit their pants oh my god

Yes I tried it

Wow I just realized these guys have bigger spotify numbers than Sleep Token wtf. Probably means they're gonna be future headliners. God damn modern mainstream metal is in a really sad state these days. Basically no good or interesting bands whatsoever.

"God damn modern mainstream metal is in a really sad state these days."

Thornhill's latest album was probably the best I've heard in a while, tbh.

"I’ll go ahead and wrap this genre argument up real nicely:

Is Breaking Benjamin metalcore? Because that’s the exact type of shit we keep calling “modern metalcore” like it’s even close. Downtuned guitars and one little shouty bit for 10 seconds does not a metal song make. Is Hum modern metalcore??"

This unironically sounds like an argument that would have existed in a MetalSucks comment section a long time ago.

"Probably means they're gonna be future headliners" i've seen them listed as headliners on stuff already so the future is now

Just listen to their song Dethrone and walk away.

The future is here and everything must be destroyed

the official band of dudes with at least three crusty Rhea Ripley tees in their closet

you think if these guys didn’t suck shit they’d call themselves “Good Omens”?

someone has to have said that already right

Lying to dove

hawks doesn't even have to add men to this band name its already there!

Men Omens

These guys have nailed their sound in my opinion. Dark, heavy, beautiful, ominous. Incredible.

did tundra hack your account bro lmfao

Ngl I copy/pasted the first YouTube comment and it was so Tundra coded I couldn't resist. This is insanely ass

Awful band yeah.

lmfao god damn those people are fucking dorks

These guys have nailed their sound in my opinion. Lame, shitty, derivative, boring. Incredible.

"Is Breaking Benjamin metalcore?"

oh brother, as it stands in the current metalcore climate, it might as well be lmao

bean - good lsd to my vein

anagrams are hella fun ngl

it's quite impressive how they’ve made it this far as a band without a shred of originality in anything they’ve done

Breaking Benjamin is metalcore, yes

They meet all the criteria.

- riffs
- clean vocals
- screams
- dark
- heavy
- beautiful
- ominous

zero riffs, pop rock with a metallic veneer, music for babies, etc.

You just hate good music apparently

Anyone that thinks this is ominous is immediately telling me one thing about yourself: your taste in music is just as shallow as the average swiftie that thinks she’s some kind of songwriting genius, you just got a fuckin septum piercing or some shit in place of having a personality.

“These guys have nailed their sound in my opinion. Dark, heavy, beautiful, ominous. Incredible.”
Give me a fucking break.

Ominous to them is driving through the poor part of whatever suburb they live in after dark.

Don’t understand the rampant fandom of this band anymore than sleep token but I guess it’s all the same weird alt teenagers. My buddy that founded this band on bass and left years ago still has people hitting him up CONSTANTLY asking if he’s from bad omens

Damn… I mean the band sucks but it sucks even more that your buddy missed out on a paycheck. I hate this shit but if they hit me up to play bass I would absolutely not pass it up.

more like chad omens

Bro relax Wildcard it's fucking Youtube comments what do you expect lmao. All of the most diehard fans are gonna be there

FUCK THAT SHIT WE GOTTA EDUCATE THESE PLEBS.

But really, at the core of it, I’m just pissed off that multiple bands that I love have broken up because they can’t fucking break even on tour and there’s this unoriginal, minimal effort pile of dogshit that is pretty much guaranteed to sell out arenas.

Unfortunately that's how it's always gonna be. The bands that care and make it big are few and far between

Fair point. We are truly living in tough times right now. Feels like some new band needs to emerge asap that teaches these kids how it's done

"Maybe it’s recency bias but I don’t think I’ve hated mainstream metal more in my life than the current trend of this bullshit."

There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of identity these days. All these "Metalcore" bands sound so similar I guarantee the casual listener couldn't tell them apart. I wouldn't even consider most of the new shit Metal. I'm not trying to gatekeep, but it's way more Hard Rock/(I guess) Alt-Metal. Butt-core is the only proper term for stuff like this. It was cool when BMTH did it 12 years ago. There is no innovation outside of losing the human element more and more. I'm sick of this "it needs to sound perfect" rhetoric. I just feel like I'm listening to music with no passion behind it. It just feels soulless.

well that sucked

I think they peaked with TDOPOM. They experimented, got outrageously popular, and now are unfortunately having to chase that notoriety.

Used to play shows with Noah.. he's definitely writing for Octane plays at this point

Dying to Shit

"bland vanilla pop metal made for spotify algorithms"

yeah, sounds about right when it comes to this song

Also, Breaking Benjamin is not Metalcore...

Ya, what they’re saying is this modern “metalcore” is so watered down that Breaking Benjamin is heavier so the label is losing its meaning, but that already happened like 15 years ago so who gives a shit

This isn’t good, very underwritten. Banking on singer’s pipes to carry this.

With that said, the comps on this thread are wild:

1) Comprehensively, Bad Omens and Sleep Token sound very differently. The former has a metalcore template they’re working from but trying to expand upon with middling results of late. The latter fancies itself as pretentious prog metal.
2) Even more puzzling (or maybe a bad joke)…Breaking Benjamin is not remotely metalcore. Peeps seem to be forgetting the hardcore part of “metalcore.” BB’s biggest influences are clearly Tool and grunge bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam, and they emerged in that same glut of radio-friendly nu-metal and post-grunge bands from the early-to-mid 2000s.

The Bad Omens and Sleep Token talk is because the fan overlap is literally everyone. If you like this shit you also like Sleep Token.

Ok, just listened to the other two singles…I take it back: They are going in a Sleep Tokenesque direction, unfortunately, albeit more industrial. I was basing what I said after TDOPOM. They’re also taking the wrong lessons from that album too with the heavy emphasis on repetitive sampling.

Yeah lmao man I think the first comment I made on that first single was that it was literally just a Sleep Token song.

I’m fuckin tired boss

“ The Bad Omens and Sleep Token talk is because the fan overlap is literally everyone. If you like this shit you also like Sleep Token”

I like Bad Omens but can’t stand sleep token

I feel like you’re one of a few my friend

But hey, I’ll throw you a bone. Gun to my head I’d take this over Sleep Token any day

I'd take the gun.

Never could’ve guessed in 2006 that the band with the most influence on the genre 20 years later would be bring me the horizon. Especially with how hard people clowned them in 2006

If only they quit after Suicide Season

utopia.jpg

Basically a band that's not a metal band anymore has the most influence over modern mainstream metal

Yeah doesn’t it make you wanna kill yourself a little

Dying to Shit [2]

This song made me wanna kill myself.

I'm still here, but the world is a lot more cold now

[2]

To Speak Of Wolves dropped an EP today so listen to that instead

So did Rolo Tomassi
And Conjurer dropped an LP, listen to shit that doesn’t suck

The Undertaking! dropped a new one today too. Good day for core

can you guys imagine him + ronnie + vessel? in one song

id rather not

At least ronnie has one good album

is that escape the fate record actually good or is it just more appealing considering everything else that fuckin idiot has made

Nah it's actually good. I didn't want to like it for a long time

eh fuck it maybe I’ll throw it on tonight

A few listens later, I hereby announce:
this is both overhyped and overhated.

We should be shitting on the public perception of the track rather than the track itself.

Nah this is just ultra cheap lazy BMTH/Sleep Token worship-core with zero riffs. That deserves to get shit on over and over again.

[2]
This might not be that bad in a vacuum, but this wasn’t even good the first time it was done… this is like the hundredth version of it and it’s fucking depressing that this is what mainstream metal has become.

Imagine if there's gonna be some big metal festival soon that will have BMTH Sleep Token and Bad Omens as headliners... that would be something. Feels like it might genuinely become reality soon.

You would need a fucking mop to wipe up the mess the fans will make upon hearing that line up oe a power hose

"Imagine if there's gonna be some big metal festival soon that will have BMTH Sleep Token and Bad Omens as headliners..."

I mean, there was a BMTH + Bad Omens tour recently, and Linkin Park toured with Sleep Token + Bad Omens both supporting last year... think we're pretty much there already tbh.

Seems dope, I'd buy the tickets.

"first single really grew on me and i love it now; second single sucks; this one is pretty generic, but might grow on me like the first one did."

Yep, 100% same here

Yeah holy shit Graspop officially has Bad Omens as headliners on the second stage and BMTH on the main stage on the same day lmfao. Not entirely the same as both being main headliners, but close enough.

Makes sense, it’s the same shit

But yes I’d much rather see BMTH then this shit, I’ve seen them before opening for Deftones and they at least put on a good show

This is the musical equivalent of ambien