My mum told me about the Ed Sheeran collaboration a while back. I thought she was joking..

It was (according to the guitarist) a novelty song done for charity, and he was displeased that it was then planned to be released as an actual single and on the album.

I like their music but this band sounds like a nightmare to be in lol

Lol

Sounds like it was time for them to go. It also sounds like dude's wife let the cat out of the bag early and essentially caused this whole mess instead of letting it play out drama-free at the end of the tour.

Also, there are contracts with pay expectations as well as what stake (if any) you have in the band's day-to-day business (i.e. how a song originally written for charity eventually gets used). This information didn't spring out of nowhere late last week. So, why now and why with so much drama.

Last, Ashok has been with the band since 2014, and then he marries Zoe and eight months later he's suddenly leaving because things are so miserable and terrible. Sounds like the wife gave him the 'I don't like your friends' ultimatum.

"I am indeed leaving CRADLE OF FILTH at the end of this current tour, and the reasons behind this are conclusions my wife and I came together at long before this week. We simply do not feel like CRADLE can provide for our future, and in fact hinders it."

Sounds like Ashok is about to start sharing a joint Facebook page. He's been in the band since 2014, and after eight months of marriage his entire message is 'we decided' and 'we don't feel'... that's an awfully abrupt change after over a decade of everything being fine.

"a CoF/Ed Sheeran collaboration"
what

This news reminded me of a recent Blabbermouth article wherein Gary Holt from Exodus, said that touring revenue barely covers touring expenses, and the band makes money from T-shirts.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/exoduss-gary-holt-on-financial-reality-of-being-in-a-metal-band-its-not-what-people-think

So, maybe T-shirt sales are not going so well for Cradle of Filth right now.

cof Renaissance: OVER

"and the band makes money from T-shirts"

if that's true, it's fucking tragic, if these bands with so much history behind them are not making enough money, imagine how hard it is for newcomers or for relatively newer bands...

if that's true, it's fucking tragic, if these bands with so much history behind them are not making enough money, imagine how hard it is for newcomers or for relatively newer bands...


i though this was pretty well known at this point. Mid sized Bands basically only make money from merch

is there fr an ed sheeran collab?

The fact they have gone through about 30 members in a decade is the thing that screams the loudest. It tells me that Dani is probably a bitch to work with and the whole band is a horrid work enviroment no matter whose side you believe.

Yeah the ed sheeran was rumoured but id say its not found its way to the surface because of internal issues

That’s actually fucking wild.

I honestly thought they released it earlier tbh

If you leave a Macdonald job, Macdonald doesn't care what you think of your experience as a worker there. Nodody does.
If you stop being a teacher in a highschool because you hate your colleagues and the pupils, nobody cares either.
If you quit working at your city's car factory, people couldn't care less whether it was hard, tiring and exploitative.
But suddenly when you're a in a famous rock band, your job should be heavenly, your boss a saint, and if they're not, you're allowed to whine publicly and damage the image of the band as much as you can when its popularity is actually the fuel of the "company".

@Ectier: I believe both sides. I believe Dani is probably a bitch to work with, and that the pay sucks and the conditions suck and that the management only cares about the guy that is paying them. I also believe Dani knows there is literally 100s of other people that will jump at the chance to join a touring band. Shit, they replaced her in like 30 seconds. This is his band. He is the one that put in the work since the late nineties. She was a paid guest. I also know that they all signed touring contracts before the tour started, and she didn't honor her contract. Last, I know Ashok was perfectly willing to work in those conditions since 2014 until she decided to leave.

@Kevin: That for sure.

Yeah i agree with both of you.

Agreed with Willie 100%.

Hawks here's your chance to get in the band! :D

Hawks here's your chance to get in the band! :D

cool double post!

Lmao

“This news reminded me of a recent Blabbermouth article wherein Gary Holt from Exodus, said that touring revenue barely covers touring expenses, and the band makes money from T-shirts.“

i think cradle is significantly more popular than exodus.

Hawks in Cradle when

not gonna impression my opinion on the drama but it's a very disappointing way to conclude what has handily been the most consistent era of the band. hammer of the witches and cryptorania were both peak.

I suspect if Ashok tries to nuke future material then this is gonna result in a court battle and Ed Sheeran has the money to hire a legal team for it. Compromise will probably be it gets released with 100% of the money going to charity and will not under any circumstance be included on any other future releases.

@KevinKC People do care when people they personally know experience shitty working conditions, unfair pay, or shitty management in fast-food, schools, working industries, etc. It's just too widespread and systemic for individuals to do anything about at a broader scale, so we don't bother letting ourselves get worked up about it when there's no personal involvement. When it's small-scale enough to impact and the stories are sufficiently upsetting, people do often tend to change their attitudes and behaviors, e.g. refusing to dine at a local restaurant run by assholes. And you're "allowed to whine publicly and damage the image of the [company] as much as you can" when ceasing work for a shitty company, and if you think it's worth the risk, you SHOULD - it's just usually not worth the risk because the employer is often too large to exert a meaningful impact on as an individual, whereas your future job prospects will likely be hampered.

Bands are a pretty different story - they're small enough that the actions of individuals or collective outrage of a small group can meaningfully impact them, they're disproportionately well-known for their size and power, they foster parasocial relationships that make people more inclined to feel invested in the situation, and there's less risk that speaking out will ruin your music career - in that industry (depending on how professionally you communicate during the drama), it can often instead repair the red flag question mark stamped on you by a public firing.

"not gonna impression my opinion on the drama but it's a very disappointing way to conclude what has handily been the most consistent era of the band. hammer of the witches and cryptorania were both peak"

Indeed

-- i think cradle is significantly more popular than exodus.

Agreed, but the motif appears to be there irrespective of band clout




-- and after eight months of marriage his entire message is 'we decided' and 'we don't feel'...

While we will probably never find out what really went down, the supposedly weak sex has been historically known to compromise or even wreck bands (as do men), but it's also known for identifying bad deals for its own or its spouses early on

Willie is on the fuckin money.

Dani sounds like a real piece of shit but he’s the only person from this band I know by name

There's also probably gonna be a big argument about how much Ashok wrote given that Marthus is generally seen as the main songwriter, handling drums, orchestrations and studio keyboards. It's gonna get ugly.

Oh dear this got REALLY ugly my fb feeds pretty heavy, she has said now the stress of working and tour life caused a miscarriage and Dani is toxic etc. This is going to explode and become a bit of a media circus

If someone told me Ed Sheeran would collab with these guys i would have bet both my legs you were lying

whole legs or just from the knees down?

The ed sheeran thing dates back a while. Surprised so many people haven't heard about that. I dont even listen to cradle but years ago ed sheeran said he liked cradle and if I remember right expressed interest in wanting to do something with them

"Dani sounds like a real piece of shit but he’s the only person from this band I know by name"

Sure, but touring in a band that huge is a ton of fucking work and pressure. And constantly being on the road away from your loved ones sucks ass. They should definitely get paid more than mcdonald's wages even moreso if they're assisting with writing. But at the same time they agreed to it so it is what it is

Maybe Ed will get them singing like men

what a cradle of FILTH

I support Dani 100%. Let them work through the lashes of his whip. Fits perfectly to the band's theme.

Damn that’s crazy

Time to jam Vempire

"a CoF/Ed Sheeran collaboration"

Who even comes up with shit like this

CoF & Sheeran sounds hilarious.

quitting over an Ed Sheeran collab sounds pretty reasonable to me

You're in a cheesy gothic black metal band dressed up like someone's fetish doll... and now you want to talk about "foolish clown antics"? The Ed Sheeran collab was the bridge too far? ha ha.

Honestly the ed sheeran collab isnt that unexpected with how long Cradles been around and id be more concerned if Sheeran didnt listen to a range of shit on his own time

Apparently Federoff is now talking about her devout Catholicism.

Sorry but if you're a Catholic and you join a band whose most famous piece of merchandise is a shirt that says "JESUS IS A CUNT" then that's entirely on you.

Ed sheeran the typa bloke to call Metallica “satanic screamo”

@Dats: Exactly. It sounds like she found Jesus (quite possibly after the miscarriage, honestly) and that put everything else in her life into 'perspective' and she then forced that 'perspective' onto her husband.

If this wild speculation has any truth, I do understand. I'm sure that shit is traumatizing, and it would explain why she opted to leave immediately. The only thing I don't understand is her lashing out at the band... unless she blames them for it I guess.

'"If you leave a Macdonald job, Macdonald doesn't care what you think of your experience as a worker there. Nodody does.
If you stop being a teacher in a highschool because you hate your colleagues and the pupils, nobody cares either.
If you quit working at your city's car factory, people couldn't care less whether it was hard, tiring and exploitative.
But suddenly when you're a in a famous rock band, your job should be heavenly, your boss a saint, and if they're not, you're allowed to whine publicly and damage the image of the band as much as you can when its popularity is actually the fuel of the "company".'

Huh, this is categorically false. I mean, have you missed the ongoing debates about minimum wage, and underpaid teachers and overworked Amazon delivery drivers etc? Arguing that people don't care about those issues is an odd way to approach this one.

Also, £150-£200 a day w a £25/day per diem is pretty eye opening considering it's comparable to what my shitty regional tribute band pays its roadies lol.

Long ass statement from Dani on Facebook accusing the two of constantly getting drunk and getting verbally/physically abusive with each other in public (which should be easy enough to verify) while Dani's been 3 years sober and was negotiating better pay for them at the time they quit.

I dont know about it being easy to verify unless someone else currently in the band or his staff come forward and speak out which is unlikely I think. The only other witnesses according to his statement were some randos in south america lol

Depends if hotel staff also saw it, could contact the hotel

I'm sure neither side is going to bother with actual verifiable proof unless it goes to court. Until then it's just a game of "who's the asshole".

The keyboardist posted the contract. And no one is denying it's the real contract, or that it's a shitty contract lol.
.

Definitely bs from dani filth claiming the contract is just an initial framework lmao. That whole thing was very intentionally worded. I'm sure if someone wants to negotiate it he moves on to someone who won't

I 100% agree with Eak. I still haven't looked at the contract myself (and almost certainly will not), but I have no doubt that's basically how it goes... I just don't know if I blame Dani, because there are plenty of other musicians that will take the gig and probably do just fine (even if it's just temporary). Their loyalty is to the paycheck and his is to the band.

There's also the question of, bad money or not, is it still better than they're going to get on their own when the wife makes them start an Eisley cover band while also doing 100% of the behind-the-scenes work and not just getting paid-to-play?

i mean hot take but people should be paid decent wages regardless of what the work is.

if they're playing the game of "who's the asshole" imma categorically just say both parties. as sure as i am that dani and cradle in general are awful to work with and i don't buy the "initial framework" contract bollocks (not how a contract works, dani), some of the accusations made by ashok and zoe seem really absurd and histrionic. a non-insignificant portion of it falls apart under the gentlest scrutiny and it cheapens the other allegations that i'm sure have validity.

Yeah no one in this even looks remotely close to not being a bit of a twat