Good for her! Excited to hear what she does next and I wish her the best

thought this was another celebrity death ngl

I appreciate artists going this direction rather than arbitrarily changing their art completely and expecting fans to believe the project is still the same.

All the support and love for her moving forward.

nobody does that

bought tickets for that brooklyn show in a heartbeat

really sad to see her go out into the sunset but anything to help her live a safe life in the future

Ceremony
Opeth
Ulver
Talk Talk, arguably


Like 5 seconds off the top of my head

Oh snap! May have to check that Soundstage show; her output was always a little intense for me haha, but I respect the transparency, brutal and bludgeoning as it needed to be.

Anyway, always loved her work and am sad in a way that she's calling it quits but it's good to see she's moving on from it for her own sake.

are you just listing bands you know or

love this for her

Love her stuff, but sounds like she’s making a good choice and totally understand why she’s retiring the catalogue. Eager to see what she does next

The music she made will remain and I'll continue to listen to it, but I'm glad to hear she's moving on.

Also, Ulver was the best band ever until Julius Caesar.

Et Tu, Cug?

Don't pretend to be oblivious Colton, come on

Shes fking great, artistically and as a person. All power to her

are you just listing bands that have changed their sound, as if I was denying that any band has ever done that?

She seems to be a really interesting talented person and her music is very passionate, it’s just hard to listen to casually. Maybe whatever she does next will not be quite as uh…. Abrasive.

dig her music but definitely excited to see what she does next.

I think that any given musical project is formed with, if not a concrete sound, then at least a set ethos in mind that may or may not evolve over time. The name of that project, rather than just a label to be slapped on a group of musicians, is essentially symbolic of that ethos. When a musical project has a complete shift in sound, regardless of whether the same people are in it, it becomes essentially a different artistic project, with a different ethos. So, I think it better shows a sense of artistic integrity about a given project when they change their name along with drastically changing their sound rather than continuing to bank on whatever notoriety the old one had.

what is that based on? sounds completely arbitrary to me. the name of a band or artist is usually just that, a name. their sound is not tied to that name. very few artists change their name just because they change their sound. your line of thinking here is why there's often backlash when artists try something new; people want to lock them in a box and feel like they're obligated to continue doing the same thing

actually so dumb and entitled to call an artist's integrity into question because they want to change up their sound without changing their name

It's not entitled, it's just an opinion. A lot of bands have managed to change their sound while maintaining a sound that's unique to them.

you gotta be trollin colton

Fully support her on this. She's shown just in Lingua Ignota already that she's got a wide range to work with, and when she's collaborated with other artists she's taken that further. Everything she's released as LI has been incredible but I've got no doubt whatever she does next no matter how different will be great.

Maybe this will satisfy those gross weirdos that complained she sings about "the same thing" (AKA her continued experience with severe physical, emotional, and sexual abuse at the hands of multiple people) in the reviews on this site.

what percentage of bands/artists do you think have changed their name entirely to accommodate a different sound vs bands/artists who just... put out an album with a different sound? it's obviously a small minority. to make it an issue of "artistic integrity" is dumb as hell

if you disagree, make a list of bands/artists that changed their name because they changed their sound and I will list many more that kept the same name and just released different sounding albums

especially when it's already so hard to make a living with music, people's name recognition is often very important and artists are not able to change their name every time they feel like doing something different to live up to some weird notion of artistic integrity

ok try Animal Collective, The Antlers, Arcade Fire, The Beach Boys, Beach House, The Beatles, Billie Eilish, Bjork, Black Country, New Road, Bob Dylan, Bon Iver, Boris, Brian Eno, BROCKHAMPTON, Bruce Springsteen, Candy Claws, Chance the Rapper, Chief Keef, Childish Gambino, David Bowie, The Dear Hunter, death's dynamic shroud, Deerhunter, Destroyer, Dirty Projectors, Drake, Father John Misty, Fiona Apple, Fleet Foxes, Foxygen, Frank Turner, Frank Zappa, Freddie Gibbs, The Gaslight Anthem, George Harrison, Great Grandpa and Grimes

I didn't even get past G

there's no way you're earnestly trying to argue that the majority of artists change their name when changing their sound... or that the 23 artists you listed form the majority of artists in the world... there's just no way lol

I don't know why you're acting as though a greater quantity of artists not changing their names would somehow invalidate my point. Yeah, it's hard to have artistic integrity in the music industry, this isn't an argument against my point, it just points out that the music industry is a terrible system for music as art to thrive.

"Lingua Ignota is a solo project that represents a specific background and specific style of expression for Kristin Hayter. It's one part of her identity as a person and a performer, and it's obvious that she doesn't want that project and everything it represents to be fully synonymous with her in either guise."

no shit dingus, obviously artists are welcome to change their name if they wish to do so and in her case it makes perfect sense. DadKungFu was the one that brought artistic integrity into question as if there's a uniform set of reasons for the way artists release their music. as if there aren't plenty of artists who would take pride in their ability to be diverse and wish to release all their music under one name because having a variety of different sounds doesn't change the fact that all of that music is tied to and created by them. reducing the intention to change and evolve over time (or the natural process by which that happens) to a calculated attempt to ride the notoriety of your past work is a braindead take you would never attempt to defend if I hadn't taken issue with it first

this decision from Lingua is a personal decision based on her own experiences and the way her old music makes her feel that has nothing to do with artistic integrity at all

uhh his comment was pretty clearly about artists in general and not specifically about Lingua but I guess you failed to parse that. L, bozo

sputnik ❤️

What a genuinely thought provoking and discerning thread.

"L, bozo"

"no shit dingus"

right everyone watch out here if this continues imma call mom

funny how the guy started the comment by saying "I think that ANY given musical project..." but you still interpret it in this one specific context. you may be the first English teacher who can't even speak the language fluently

"Remind me how your parents are English teachers"

don't need to, you bring it up weekly after I asked you not to mention them cause you're an asshole

I want her to change her name to Linguistic Iguana

Lol leave it to Colton to turn "it's nice when a change in approach is accompanied by a name change" into something that, incredibly, needs to be argued over

Well-wishes and good luck to Ms. Hayter, can only imagine the mental toll of living with those Lingua Ignota songs every day for years at a stretch

It's easy to read past each other on this kind of platform and I'm probably not making myself totally clear, but Colton's right, my initial post was referring universally to artists. This may very well be just me being on my high horse about band names, when it doesn't really matter that much how drastically they shake up their sound while keeping the same name. Like, thank fuck for differing perspectives though, even if I'd love for them to be expressed a little less abrasively; they at the very least make me look at my opinion from another angle.

But, I still think there's still a sense of artistic integrity here in Kristin ending this project, beyond her personal reasons for doing so, as valid as those are. Lingua Ignota did have a very specific ethos at its inception as a project, and now that her work seems to be moving away from that ethos, changing her name as a performer, preserves the cathartic intent of that particular project.

daily colton smoothbrain-posting

"topic of comment = any given musical project that makes a complete shift in sound"

yeah that's exactly how I interpreted it and exactly how I responded... I think calling the integrity of the artist of (pay attention here) any given musical project that has a shift in sound into question is silly because changing your sound has nothing to do with artistic integrity, especially given the many different reasons people make music to begin with. you gotta work on comprehension and evaluating context and not just the way you string sentences together

"Colton's right, my initial post was referring universally to artists."

lol yes you were very clear about this and it's hilarious how Johnny and Cumpiss go so far out of their way to misinterpret my comments on purpose and then make accusations of "bad faith." get absolutely wrecked johnny, holy shit

actually maybe I give you too much credit by saying you did it on purpose, maybe it actually just went over your head. shoutout to my English teacher parents for instilling basic reading comprehension in me, shame your degree couldn't do the same

Tbh I am still unclear exactly what it is you're mad about here is someone saying that changing ur sound and not ur name is evil and creatively bankrupt or what

I think changing your name because you changed your sound is a personal decision that can be based on many different factors and none of them pertain to artistic integrity

Nah, just that it's cool when an artist changes their name when they shift their artistic focus, good on Kristin for doing so.

See but why would NONE of them pertain to integrity, would trying to fit the aesthetic and tone you're going for not be an extremely reasonable motivator when picking a new name for a music thing

johnny you just got bodied so hard it's not even funny you should probably log off for a while. you tried to frame DadKungFu's comment as being about Lingua specifically and the context of her personal life which he then clarified is not what he meant, and he actually did mean it in a general sense, and you just cannot accept that you were wrong and will cling with a desperate strength to whatever you can here to avoid admitting it. get smoked. this is harmonics 2.0

DadKungFu I may disagree with what you said but I respect you for being the only honest person in this thread

Colton ur not rotating enough CUBES in ur mind get on my level scrub!?!!!?!!

MY MIND’S BEYBLADING TOO HARD MAKE IT STOP

YOUVE BEEN SKIPPING HIPPOCAMPUS DAY LEAVE THIS GYM AND NEVER RETURN

This is the LAST time I join a gym advertised in Scientific American

I should really join a gym advertised in Scientific American

"This does not mean that solo artists (under their own name or otherwise) forfeit integrity the moment they make a departure from past material (literally no-one has suggested this)"

later revealed to be exactly what was said, L #1

"The fact that you automatically read the opposite into such completely reasonably-phrased comments as DadKung's and arrive at such appallingly misplaced deductions makes it 100% necessary to spell the most basic shit out to you, and I don't see any reason to take flack for this."

was right though, L #2

"It's a comment about artists who rebrand under similar conditions (making it a general sub-category of artists, clearly different from artists in general), obviously meant to be read in the context of the news article"

wasn't meant to be read in the context of the news article though as he later clarified get smoked L #3

Damn, ok Colton, first and second points, not what I said at all. Sorry for any confusion, I'm out this discussion.

Beyblade gyms advertised in Scientific American [2]

you didn't say they abandon integrity when they change their sound and not their name, but you did say it shows more integrity to not do that, which combined with the sentiment that they're "banking on the notoriety" of their past work if they do, does kind of convey that it shows less integrity to keep your name the same, and implies their motivations relate more to popularity/money and not artistic vision. that's all I was saying from the beginning

Come on Colton I bet ten bucks on you

Anyone checked Grotesque out??

betting $10 on me against johnny is gonna net you $10.50 at the most. you wanna add me as the last leg of a parlay

nah you got smoked

Damn, something tells me that I should have spent those ten bucks on crack as usual.

Now someone else will get all the crack 😔

This thread is literally the twitter joke of someone saying "Boy I love pancakes" and the first reply being "so i guess you just fucking hate waffles huh?????"

This is good news. I guess.

@Kompy
True! Someone might not buy that crack at all!

So much for zero waste

yo guys fog is wet right? i’m outside rn and it’s really foggy is it gonna fuck up my headphones?

Smooth

Aside from how funny I find this sudden change of topic, I think you're going to be alright.

also someone link me harmonics 1.0

The amount of tl;dr paragraphs typed with index fingers in this thread is somethin

I don't mind when an artist keeps the same name throughout their evolution, except for when I don't like the music. Then the project has no artistic integrity like Genesis.

@botb
lmao

i put my hood up just in case

“ The amount of tl;dr paragraphs typed with index fingers in this thread is somethin”

i’m literally the fastest typer on sputnik tho

https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1187284&listid=197216

Speaking of artists that change while keeping the same name, I can totally see how Messe by Ulver could appeal to the fans of their black metal phase (even though many fans notoriously hate latter Ulver), they share the same gloomy and decadent atmosphere.
As for Genesis, I couldn't even stand Peter Gabriel when they were in their prime, let alone the 80s. But yeah, zero consistency.

"I don't mind when an artist keeps the the same name throughout their evolution, except for when I don't like the music. Then the project has no artistic integrity like Genesis."

lol based

Good for Kristen, hope she moves on to a better place and is able to create another interesting project. I didnt vibe with Lingua Ignota at all but she defiantly has the creativity to do what she wants.

How does my ramen look? I'm trying to impress a girl
https://i.ibb.co/fkWgVv4/my-fucking-ramen.jpg

That ramen looking good! I’d pay between 7.99 and 11.99 for that

Fuckin solid ramen

look at this fog https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986472253912932385/1037500360052453396/IMG_2851.jpg

a lot of this thread reads like copypasta-posting i like it

"you just got bodied so hard it's not even funny you should probably log off for a while. you tried to frame DadKungFu's comment as being about Lingua specifically and the context of her personal life which he then clarified is not what he meant, and he actually did mean it in a general sense, and you just cannot accept that you were wrong and will cling with a desperate strength to whatever you can here to avoid admitting it. get smoked. "

this is my favourite

Colton, I'm sure there are great words to describe your presence in this thread, but I just don't know that many. Is everything alright?

honestly these past two or three weeks have been pretty great

Leave it to sputnik to overshadow a story about an artist moving on from her artistry that drew upon her experiences with domestic abuse with a pointless troll argument about changing artist names

to be fair what else are we supposed to say?

Good for her, I'll keep an ear out for what she does next.

That'd be a bit boring wouldn't it?

yeah not every thread needs a flair for the dramatic

I hope those early 2023 shows will contain Europe, since I've never seen her live, but it's very unlikely I guess. Still, this decision makes sense and it's probably the happiest band/project breakup announcement ever. Looking forward to her next creative output and of course let's hope she'll never make a new LI album again.

Four years ago people would have been like "She might have lied I don't believe her we have to hear both sides bla bla fishing for attention". I'd take a troll argument over that any day, but I admit I am biased towards troll arguments because I fucking love them.

Saw her last month in Porto and it was truly powerful. But yeah, that kind of emotional intensity can't be good for your mental health long-term, so good for her for moving on. Excited to see what direction she goes in with her future material.

well this thread devolved quickly lmao

You know not how grateful I am there won't be anymore Lingua Ignota music
Good for her though, wishing her the best

i never really vibed with LI but i am so glad for Kristin to be moving on on her path to healing

Kristin Hayter ft. Taylor Swift

She can do whatever she wants tbh, and she deserves to move on from all the pain and the sorrowful music from before.