I want to publicly express my support for all bands, and citizens, of Ukraine. This support is purely personal and is not applicable to the site (sputnikmusic.com) and its community. Nor does it take into consideration any political stance of the band.

o snap 99% of users to face the ultimate existential moral dilemma: support bc ukraine, or denounce bc nazi?

sexy track tho

Cheers to them tearing up the release schedule on this one.

wtf why u edit

^ http://youtu.be/IrNTsKg4z64 ^

"why u edit"

because it was a dumb comment

nah it was perf

you're perf

Sounds sweet. Good timing. No one does it quite like Drudkh.

trv to both comments

This band dedicated an entire album to Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator fascist. Really pathetic and disingenuous marketing from Season Of Mist.

guess it’s time to post this again:

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/

Please tell me I didn’t linked my support for Ukraine people with a far-right band.

well as hypers link makes clear as mud:

sketchy

in other words anyone who cares wont touch them with a thousand foot pole

no, I think you’re good. Drudkh is one of those bands that got caught up in a controversy because of some of the bands and people they’ve associated with, because hyper-nationalism usually attracts the fascists, but over the years Roman and the band have at least tried to distance themselves from any serious NS ties.

are they right wingers? probably, that comes with the territory of nationalistic rhetoric. but I don’t think they’re outright problematic like some of their countrymen (cough cough nokturnal mortum)

yeah, nokturnal mortum are fucking lame

Oh come on, Hyperion. They’ve released projects on explicitly NSBM labels and venerated Nazi collaborators. They are the opposite of ‘good’. At this point, anyone who is fooled by obvious esoteric fascism/nazism, which is just a cloak for blood and soil nationalism, is a complete rube or just wilfully ignorant.

o sht here we go called it

i mean you gotta decide for yourself man. do they have sketchy ties? absolutely. have they tried to distance themselves from those ties? also yes.

media we consume isn’t a necessarily a reflection of your worldview, but it’s up to the listener to decide how they want to interact with potentially unsavory content.

that’s why I posted that list, so everyone can see the info and make a decision for themselves. im not in the business of policing other peoples thoughts.

They dedicated an album to someone who collaborated with the nazis and carried out ethnic cleansing of Jewish people. That album is called blood in our wells. There is no ‘ambiguity’ here.

brother im not denying any of that. im explicitly telling readers to look into these ties and decide for themselves.

do I think what Fernando said could be construed as tacit support of right-wing extremism? no. would I personally link my support of the people of Ukraine to this band? no, probably not.

but, at the end of the day, my opinion can’t and shouldn’t inform how others choose to interact with the media. hence, the info I provided.

bruh i learned pretty quick the nazi hunters give zero shits about any of that

Thanks for the insight, Hyperion, I appreciate it.

"Please tell me I didn’t linked my support for Ukraine people with a far-right band."

You didn't. They've been perfectly clear about this. The rest is bull shit.

"That album is called blood in our wells. There is no ‘ambiguity’ here."

You're just making things up. It's their own blood, Ukranian blood, they're refering to.

You missed the "Dedicated to Stepan Bandera" part

They've got a power and a force that you've never seen before
They've got the ability to morph and to even up the score
No one will ever take them down
The power lies on their side

Go, go, nazi hunters
Go, go, nazi hunters
Go, go, nazi hunters
You, Mighty Morphin' nazi hunters

Yeah fr you don't want people to figure out you got fash sympathies, don't link up with fucking Hendrik Mobus to organize the re-release of all the albums of a side project that literally every single Drudkh member is also a part of

"You missed the "Dedicated to Stepan Bandera" part"


Or perhaps you should google that name, and actually read what you find. It's a shades of grey thing, really.

everything u just said is completely absurd

ha ha absurd i get it

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. You could go straight to Wikipedia, but I guess you don't really want to. Obviously this is much easier, also it makes you feel like the better person.

wuh-wuh-wuh-wwwwooooooooooooooooooooossssssshhhhhh

i dont want to wade too deep into these waters but can you be a nationalist without being a nazi? feels like there is a line there (not that i know where these guys sit on that). both are gross but they are different places on the spectrum

careful u'll give park n pika a stroke

"can you be a nationalist without being a nazi?"

No, you can't. Therefore, all Americans are nazis.

Dumbest shitstorm ever, right around the corner...

"can you be a nationalist without being a nazi?"

see: Quebecois

stroke incoming

Short answer is yes it's possible, and nationalism can crop up as an ideological response to occupation and oppression, but also inherently defining an ideological group by national borders also lays the groundwork for a whole hell of a lot of fucked up shit, and there isn't necessarily anything that prevents one turning into the other.

Like, you know, the Volhynia and Eastern Galicia massacres that killed upwards of 50,000 people and executed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army that wasn't acting with Stepan Bandera (who was in a Nazi concentration camp when they began), but were operating with an extrapolation of his espoused extremist nationalistic principles. Shit turns from one to the other in a hurry.

hfisanbiwangwklngieknsngkgsgjswopaijgmsklmgld

"Or perhaps you should google that name, and actually read what you find. It's a shades of grey thing, really."

His organization murdered,raped and tortured thousands of people. He unironically wanted to create a "pure" Ukrainian race and he hunted jews. Dedicating an album to him doesn't make it look like the band sees him as a 'grey' figure. More like a white one

He helped the liberation of Ukraine to happen,i get that...Celebrating him and calling him a hero though is just too much

Probably the best black metal band

Yup, and the particular shade of gray we're working with is kinda colored in by the way Drudkh members have repeatedly sought out collaborations with avowed neo-nazis

Also they aren’t nazis they are nationalist weirdos ffs there is a difference. Neither one of them are good, but give them a LITTLE bit of credit

didn't say they were, said they've repeatedly worked with people that are

Also lol "give those white supremacists a little credit they didn't join the klan"

"Or perhaps you should google that name, and actually read what you find. It's a shades of grey thing, really."

When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, he prepared the 30 June 1941 Proclamation of Ukrainian statehood in Lviv, pledging to work with Nazi Germany.[4][5]
For his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo, which put him under house arrest on 5 July 1941,[6]
In late 1942, when Bandera was in a German concentration camp, his organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a massacre of Poles in Volhynia and, in early 1944, ethnic cleansing also spread to Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that more than 35,000 and up to 60,000[65] Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia, and up to 100,000 if other regions, such as Eastern Galicia, are included.[66][67]
Bandera was an antisemite and Nazi collaborator.[70]

which shade of grey is this azog

it’s almost like glorifying slave owners who raped black women and sired illegitimate children just because they happened to sign a piece of paper 250 years ago

im not trying to downplay this man’s ties to neofascism, I’m just pointing out that all nations have problematic folk heroes. it kind of comes with the territory of nationalism.

which is why I urge people to do their research and make decisions for themselves.

yes, it's best we make our own educated decisions on these matters. on a personal level if a band wish to make an album about an individual who did all of those terrible things, it tells me all i need to know about the band. i can't attest them to being fascists or not but it's enough for me to not appreciate their art if that's who it's dedicated to and glorifying.

I never claimed he was a saint. He definately was an extremist nationalist, and he probably was involved with the mass murder of a Polish minority (not the Volhynia massacre, as he was in Sachsenhausen during that time). But then again, he also joined a rebellion army to fight the nazis, partisans, the Russian red army, and the underground Polish army. Under such extreme conditions, things tend to get ugly. In the western (non-Russian) parts of Ukraine he's therefore seen as a national hero. In the eastern (Russian) parts he's seen as a genocidal maniac. By the way, that's pretty much how history works.

We really have to use nuance when we’re dealing with the legacy of the practitioners of a genocide, have to give everybody a fair shake; and things do get ugly sometimes after all

Ok but are they white supremacists or weirdo Ukrainian nationalists

@azog: okay, but if you then put all the other sketchy things about drudkh together, you can get an idea of what it might mean that they're glorifying somebody like that. you do you i suppose.

a bunch of americans trying to understand and explain the details of ukrainian ideologies

@botb

A·nal·o·gy
noun

a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

every slavic bm thread: 1% evil 99% hot gas

@DarkNoctus: I do get that part, actually. But this topic is not about Bandera. I say to hell with him.

Back to Drudkh. I believe dedicating an album to this person was a terrible mistake. I also believe it's quite possible for the people of western Ukraine to not be fully aware of this sketchy side of their so-called "national hero". Pretty much like how us Dutchies turned a blind eye to the involvement with slave trade of some of our national heroes. As I said before, this is how history works.

Yeah I mean Roman is definitely like an anti-Semite and problematic nationalist, I just think calling everyone Nazis is outdated and tone deaf as shit

there's been way more weirdos saying "them lefties gonna call Drudkh nazis" itt than lefties calling Drudkh nazis but go off

bruh have u seen the soundoffs of any slavic bm band

Im still buried in finnish bm soundoffs you gotta give me some time

@azog: i could potentially buy the ignorance argument if it weren't for the other sketchy stuff drudkh do (hate forest, blood of kingu) and who they associate with. i think you raise a valid point of individuals not knowing the full extent of the people they glorify, but in this case i'm unsure if it applies. a lot of strokes paint a picture.

Only in a drudkh thread can 2 leftists have this kind of hilarious discourse

i think it's kind of insulting to presume hate forest are too stupid to know that swastikas are bad

Ooh remember when Roman jumped on board that Peste Noire record a few years back?

and hey ur also wrong i counted its 9 posts to calling out nazi hunters and 12 to actually calling drudkh nazis itt git rekt

quote 'em baby doll lets see

hey zaru finally showed up nazi hunter #1

10-14

Hmm i think the issue was the semantics of using the term nazi and what comes with that as opposed to us peeps saying them Drudkh peeps suck

“Back to Drudkh. I believe dedicating an album to this person was a terrible mistake.”

They seem to make a lot of ‘mistakes’ when it comes to aligning with fascists, don’t they? I suppose they just ‘accidentally’ associate with some of the absolute worst people and labels espousing NSBM views, too. How unfortunate and how coincidental!

10-15

idk im going by what u said in the other post

For a school teacher, that Roman Saenko sure is naive!

(10-16)

you 1.5'd 3 graveland albums smok you're like the president of nazi hunt nation

ah but that is the difference between us young padewan (idk how its spelt i dont watch star wars)

i rate albums purely on their musical virtuosity, nazi hunters will 1 a drudkh just bc its drudkh

graveland simply isnt a good band, meanwhile the likes of drudkh & nokt are

"They seem to make a lot of ‘mistakes’ when it comes to aligning with fascists, don’t they? I suppose they just ‘accidentally’ associate with some of the absolute worst people and labels espousing NSBM views, too. How unfortunate and how coincidental!"

Could you elaborate on that? Like, you know, facts? Something to google, while avoiding metalsucks.

Like how Roman provided guest vocals on the self titled Peste Noire album; that the side project Rattenfanger, featuring every current Drudkh member, rereleased their entire discog in 2020 on a record label run by Hendrik Mobus, maybe the most notorious Nazi in the black metal sphere, which itself qualifies all the Nazi imagery and “True Aryan black metal” they used in Hate Forest, which they would have you believe they’ve moved on from

Or what about that time they released band shirts sublabeled "Art for the white intellectual elite" ?

Speaking of peste noire... why does neige seem to always get a pass? Is it because Alcest sounds prettier?

Neige at least specifically outright acknowledged his association and specifically condemned it (as opposed to the "we're not a political band" smokescreen Drudkh and a lot of others throw up), even if there's a chance he just did it pragmatically to cover himself while Alcest was blowing up, and afaik has cut out all those associations

I'm a pinko hippie and I like me a bit of Drudkh

"Neige at least specifically outright acknowledged his association and specifically condemned it"

Neige is probably one of the few people to actively disassociate himself from that stuff

Pinko hippie Drudkh fanclub what's good

Thankfully I can't understand a word they're saying

Also I only paid for Microcosmos

Great track anyway

Salutations fellow pinko hippies

R4zor you got Blood in Our Wells rated higher than Autumn Aurora yr membership is on THIN ICE

Im sorry lol.

If it makes you feel any better, I've considered bumping it to a 4.5 recently

eggy whats ur fav track on micro

distant cries of cranes is my favorite Drudkh tune.

Distant cries and ars poetica are my favs from that one

good song

distant cries slays, that part about 5:25 on is fantastic

Thanks for that norma

First time I read Peste Noir, or indeed any French black metal band, is associated with NSBM. I suppose it was just a matter of time.

As for the “true Aryan black metal” slogan, I remember Darkthrone used to do this as well, back in the early '90s. But then they matured and consequently moved away from borderline nazi references.

My point being, that apparently some bands get away with it, and a hell of a lot easier than others.

Also, I think at least some of these so-called NSBM artists are in it, only to appear more "evil" or "dangerous", as good old-fashioned satanism just doesn't quite cut it anymore.

Azog, the difference is that Darkthrone and Neige have acknowledged shitty stuff from their past and apologized and actively distanced themselves from it. That says a lot more than someone saying “we’re not political” and then still maintaining all their connections to shady ideologies and people that blatantly follow them. People can listen to whoever they want but let’s not jump through hoops to try and morally justify it

“Hmm i think the issue was the semantics of using the term nazi and what comes with that as opposed to us peeps saying them Drudkh peeps suck”

100% that is my issue. But regardless song is insane and I’m very excited to hear the whole thing

"We should be careful critiquing fascists because some of them are probably just doing it for the aesthetic."

-Azog

Also I def see you on that botb, calling everything right wing Nazi for the alarmism cheapens it (and also feels discursively akin to right-wing idiots panic calling everything "communism," not that the implications are the same). Fascism is different, though, I feel like fascism is a much broader and insidious ideology that people have made synonymous with Nazism so anytime fascist anything happens the conversation can be immediately derailed by invoking Hitler and saying this-ain't-that.

But also Drudkh are hanging with an actual Hitler-was-right Neo-Nazi crowd. Like not even ambiguously. But yeah bet this song is dope, glad they learned how to riff good again

darkthrone put "aryan" on the back of an album and then immediately apologized once the label noticed it lol. they did most of that stuff because fenriz was an unrequited varg fanboy for some reason.

Varg seems like the type of sociopath that's probably good at manipulating people into thinking he's a prophet or something lol

Pretty sure that even though ukraine (and much of eastern Europe in general including russia) has a higher nazi population than most places that there are still an overwhelmingly larger amount of normal innocent people. No country deserves to get bombed into oblivion. You aren't any better than any nazi when you warmonger like that

How should they invade? Throw marshmellows?

anyone here smoke weed

"How should they invade? Throw marshmellows?"

Not indiscriminately murder civilians

Ohhh you mean like the ukrainian forces have been doing in donbas for almost a decade?

So your answer to the murder of tens of thousands of innocents is the murder of tens of thousands more innocents? Neat, love it

no the answer would be to leave donbas alone before it came to that, clearly it wasn't the answer for ukraine and now they're getting invaded, I'm not the one calling the shots
putin would want to invade anyway because he wants crimea, he wants NATO's chokehold off his yard and all that but they didn't have to give him such a good reason

Ok cool the murder of tens of thousands of innocents was just plan B, what a relief

yea it is
also stop pulling numbers out your ass, you have no clue what's happening in the war just cause you turned on your TV

like big surprise, your NATOist media outlets are painting russia in a bad light
S H O C K I N G

Yep CNN is still the only way to get info

every droplet of information that reaches you is filtered from the same interests, doesn't matter if it's from CNN directly

Where are you broadcasting from, o great trustee of the singular truth?

your mom's bedroom

She only gets CNN in there

What a hill the intellectuals of the world have decided to die on. We have all the greats.

Donald trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and tastepolice

lolo cnn

hey coma came out to play for once surprised u have so many comments tbh

"First time I read Peste Noir, or indeed any French black metal band, is associated with NSBM. I suppose it was just a matter of time."

That is definitely on you at this point

I hope yall are on Trump's TRUTH SOCIAL, where the real facts can be found.

obviously

wtf 1st couple options in app store searching truth social are twitter and a sex app called 69 positions

Shit Kama Sutra EP just dropped

“hey coma came out to play for once surprised u have so many comments tbh“

I hope one day you find some joy in life other than posting hundreds of troll sound offs on a third rate music website. It seems very lonely.

this thread went exactly where i thought it would

"Drudkh has always shown unwavering pride for their country through their music."

this is kinda funny tho

@likeshadows: i do the 420 and listen to atmospheric bm

??? coma buddy i think ur projecting my soundoffs are 100% real and only take about 1/100th of the effort as listening to the muz in the first place. i take great pride and joy in them

i suppose a better use of my time would be going off at length about how much i hate certain ppl in their shoutboxes like u do...? and hey u called sputnik a 4th rate website last time how did it suddenly get an upgrade?

damn I didn't know even sputnikmusic gets putinbots
did they get wrong directions and thought they're on sputniknews?

@likeshadows did you know that ancient arya... I mean, scythian shamans, the people who lived in ukraine 2500 years ago, smoked weed?

herodotus ftw

"We should be careful critiquing fascists because some of them are probably just doing it for the aesthetic. -Azog"

Really?

Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm just translating the words you already put there bb, not that I expect you to get it considering a good chunk o' this thread is a shrine to your limited capacity for putting 2 and 2 together

Right...

On that topic, I've seen clueless westerners try to shit on Laibach because they presumed they were nazi.
Lol. Couldn't be further off.

The trumpers love Russia now, you can’t write comedy at this level

don't you know
putin is invading ukraine to expose hunter biden's deals
he is the canadian trucker of geopolitics

Some people are so eager to turn a blind eye to Nazi shit. Unless theyre wearing the swastika and yelling the N word, theyre like "idk, im not so sure that theyre nazis, they said they werent!"

People will excuse all sorts of shit if they like the music. Murderers, rapists, nazis, etc

>People will excuse all sorts of shit if they like the music. Murderers, rapists, nazis, etc

first few entries in favourite bands are burzum, emperor, mayhem

point taken

the virgin finding excuses vs the chad why yes but I don't care the music good

xtra virgins going https://youtu.be/HBxn56l9WcU?t=15 whenever they see the name drudkh

sonorous war cry

"first few entries in favourite bands are burzum, emperor, mayhem"

You act like I was saying that I'm not guilty of that lol

My point was more that pretty much everyone is guilty of that with some kind of artist they listen to

ye thats why i said point taken

has anyone even listened to the song

We quickly established that it's a good song.

Then it was time for the VIRTUE SIGNALING.

Being SJWs is more important sorry

of course not, what do you think I am, a nazi?

Send all white people back to Europe

Hey Egar can i crash on your sofa

Yes, yes

I have been dreaming of this

But beware the basement is filled with caco dudes seeking shelter from nukes

I bet they throw mean dice

slava ukraini!

heroyam sala

too bad these guys are big ol nazis

so, is putin the antifa hero we all need in the west, or is he going to expose hunter biden in ukraine? I need to know which group of lunatics I want to join

lmao

album's on hold, azov battalion need more reinforcements

lmao

"album's on hold, azov battalion need more reinforcements"

fucking lmao

Lmao

kek