this is going to go really well

Song's pretty repetitive.

Time is a flat circle.

bet this kills and will be a hit

Rips hard

Having never really listened to the band and just loosely following the Lambesis drama, I think this is a pretty sweet track

rules

WINS

pretty good

Holy fuck, that was sooooo much better than l thought it'd be.

Awesome song

That was actually so fucking sick. Wow what a return. Tim sounds like an absolute monster

Never a big fan and this song won't change that. Pretty standard.

The track is great and suddenly nobody gives a shit about anything else.
And that's fine by me.

I see they used far away shots of Tim so as not to expose his man boobs.

LMAO DEVASTATOR NOOOO

Good track. I hope they don't use cleans vocals on every chorus though

hoping to get some interesting lyrics out of their next (inevitable) release

Why? In a culture so focused on calling out, shaming, and dismissing abuse, hatred, misconduct and violence.. why in the world would anyone in this band agree to do this. Is Metal Blade promoting this release?

This is way better than I expected

Hopefully new Austrian Death Machine soon too

ye never really listened to AILD before but this rips.

Tim certainly dug his own grave when he tried to murder his wife huehuehue

"Why? In a culture so focused on calling out, shaming, and dismissing abuse, hatred, misconduct and violence.. why in the world would anyone in this band agree to do this. Is Metal Blade promoting this release?"

You are confusing mainstream media with culture. Not really many people give a shit, they just like pointing the finger.

They aren't on metal blade either AFAIK. They certainly haven't promoted it but if they do I feel its because they realize how big the band is.

I see they used far away shots of Tim so as not to expose his man boobs [2]

When that article with his lawyer got posted here it was the funniest thing to ever happen on this site

can't do it anymore - turning his felony conviction into songwriting material. shit's too fake

This is sad - the other band members clearly weren't able to make a living/enjoy the same standard of living with WovenWar. Some sick co-dependence on Tim had lead to this reunion. We should not be supporting this.

Woven war was plenty successful just not AILD successful. They were more a supergroup anyway on top of the members being contractually obligated to still be in the band according to an interview they did.

I got my popcorn ready

I mean...the song's good, but I'm beyond indifferent about this whole situation. The musicianship is there, and As I Lay Dying were one of my favorite bands for the longest time. It's just, despite the lyrics addressing the elephant in the room, I don't really know if I can put what happened behind just yet. Sure, doesn't affect me; I don't know any of these people personally. To this day though, this whole thing feels off.

I have nothing against this reunion but the song is an Awakened b-side that’s entirely dependent on nostalgia and that’s a lot more offensive than a man who already did his time in jail reuniting with his old band mates

"Why? In a culture so focused on calling out, shaming, and dismissing abuse, hatred, misconduct and violence.. why in the world would anyone in this band agree to do this. Is Metal Blade promoting this release?"

Well I mean it depends on what you believe, I guess, but prison is typically meant to rehabilitate those institutionalised there, so it stands to reason that people believe he did the time, and now he is free to move on and focus on bettering himself and his life. His bandmates seem to believe he's been rehabilitated and that it's fair to let him move on, but you don't have to.

Confined I kind of agree it feels a bit weird, but I think we should all try to let Tim move on from this shit. Yeah it was a horrible mistake, but he did his time and is obviously reflecting on his situation in this song. That’s worthy of my respect.

@AA I agree with you. My comment was not meant to represent my personal belief on the matter, but more from an outside perspective as viewing this as a PR nightmare based on several recent events in the music/film industry.

I can forgive Tim, you miss 100% of shots you don't take

Lol at anyone thinking "rehabilitation" should be the main goal of his prison sentence for trying to have his wife murdered. Guy served two years for trying to bury someone.

TWO.


Fuck that.

R E P P I N T H E C O M M O N W E A L T H

This anything but an awakened b-side. That album was trash honestly.

God that song was so bad I wanna hire a hitman to kill this band

Why is everyone so defensive of Tim? You guys seem to forget how massive a crime murder actually is- it's something that is incredibly difficult to atone for.

Uff da, I can understand the theory that this is some co-dependence, “can’t live off WovenWar” sort of thing, but it doesn’t feel that way. Song is clearly about Tim, and he wants you to know by the way he slaps his titties 8-10 times throughout the video. It’s so nail-on-the-head that it causes a cringe, yeah, because I can’t tell if in his mind this is actually meant as an “apology” or if it’s some fake-ass media stunt. Honestly am not sure, so maybe it’s nostalgia but at this stage I’m hopeful. Fortunately or unfortunately, the song does slap pretty good.

@dee yea if it actually happened

Wonder if they're still gonna pretend to love Jesus, too.

Also, y’all seem to think his ex-wife is dead and buried somewhere with a bullet hole in her face for some reason. I mean, the intent was there when he made the attempt, but it was an attempt to hire someone else to kill her and none of it came close to happening. It’s a rough grey area but I think at some point you have to draw the line between “attempted” and “did”.

the law already draws that distinction so idiots don't have to

[2]

Insert mediocre metalcore song here.

17 year old me would've been all over this. 29 year old me now says meh. Different musical taste these days. For what it is, it's good.

You guys are playing it off like attempting to kill someone isn't really that big of a deal.
Perhaps I'm the bad man for not lending him my sympathy.

"You guys are playing it off like attempting to kill someone isn't really that big of a deal." [2]

This thread is pretty concerning

The song rips yeah but fuck these guys.

"You guys are playing it off like attempting to kill someone isn't really that big of a deal."

Litteraly no one is doing this

"It’s a rough grey area but I think at some point you have to draw the line between “attempted” and “did”."

I mean there are literally people in this thread saying attempted murder is not a pretty big crime.

I'm not saying it's impossible to atone for, but I don't think it means much for him to just say "oh I'm sorry I fucked up".

"Litteraly no one is doing this"

Dude was tried and convicted. Went to prison and did his time. Seems more this thread is willing to give someone who went through the system a second chance. Not sure why people think it's concerning. What's more concerning to me is that people think the person system is a failure and no one coming out of prison should be trusted. Do they think he should have been jailed for life?

Perhaps it's just me being cynical. I tend to doubt peoples ability to change but that's probably because of my own personal experiences.

"You guys are playing it off like attempting to kill someone isn't really that big of a deal." [3] "Litteraly no one is doing this"
"I mean, the intent was there when he made the attempt, but it was an attempt to hire someone else to kill her and none of it came close to happening."
^ u wot m8

Lol at all the people saying we should feel bad for liking this. The band's clearly forgiven him, so it should be nowhere near as difficult for us to.

Here's my take on everything. What he did was disgusting, there is absolutely no denial of that. There's no way to erase that. But the way I see it, if the criminal justice system decides he can be let out early, then that's what they've decided. He's done the time the law thinks he needed to serve and he can do whatever he wants as far as music is concerned. Now, I have seen people compare this to the Ian Watkins situation. If you think attempted murder is on the same level as rape of an infant, you are a fucking idiot, simple. What Ian did makes what Tim did look like petty theft. If you're gonna compare this to any other musician's crime, compare it to Varg.

""It’s a rough grey area but I think at some point you have to draw the line between “attempted” and “did”.`""

Nice job quoting the thread, now go a step further and tell me where this implies that it isn't a big deal. All it says it that it's a smaller deal than murder (duh). The law itself makes this distinction as well and the guy was tried, convicted and did time in prison so it isn't like he hasn't received any form of punishment. Try again.

"I'm not saying it's impossible to atone for, but I don't think it means much for him to just say "oh I'm sorry I fucked up"."

The dude went to prison...

"Perhaps it's just me being cynical. I tend to doubt peoples ability to change but that's probably because of my own personal experiences."

In this specific case, I personally don`t see him ever attempting bullshit like this ever again and I doubt that anyone else really honestly does... I also think that the fact that he was trying to hire someone to do it speaks to something as well. This attempted murder conviction is different than, let's say, someone actually shooting a person and missing and getting attempted murder because of a bad shot. As horrible as what he did was, he didn't have it in him to go out and kill someone and I don't think he's about to ever go hitman hunting again.

"God that song was so bad I wanna hire a hitman to kill this band"

Thanks for the laugh!

kinda weird to see them back together. Song is solid tho.

@scream, the idea that attempted murder is not as bad as actual murder is puzzling to me. Just because one failed, doesn't take away from the intention of the end result. If you don't agree with that, that's fine.

"@scream, the idea that attempted murder is not as bad as actual murder is puzzling to me. Just because one failed, doesn't take away from the intention of the end result. If you don't agree with that, that's fine."

Thanks for actually expanding a little. I get that mentality and it can be a very fine line I agree but to imply that there isn't a difference between both isn't to say that attempted murder still isn't a serious offence either. I expanded a little on my views of this specific case in the second post of that double post but ultimately I realise that it'll be a divisive issue. Personally I agree with those that have brought up rehabilitation and whatnot earlier in the thread but I can understand those who disagree. What annoys me though is the virtue signalling that is coming from certain people on that side and some of the comparisons that are being drawn to cases that are completely different to this one.

I'd love to see certain Sput users rank crimes and appropriate sentences.

- attempted murder - four weeks, no video games

I'd love to see certain Sput users rank crimes and appropriate sentences.

-attempted murder- capital punishment

we can play the hyperbole game on both sides but it won't get us anywhere

Do you think 2 years is an appropriate length of time to spend in prison for attempted murder?

"If you think attempted murder is on the same level as rape of an infant, you are a fucking idiot, simple. What Ian did makes what Tim did look like petty theft."

I have the worst jokes to make about this but I'm at work and I can't for fear that I will be immediately terminated, outcast from society, and disintegrated

Maybe its just because its new shit for the first time in a long time, but i liked this track even if its sort of just standard AILD. Tim sounds pretty great. A little worn/out of practice maybe, but hes still got it.

The chorus is definitely repeated too much but yeah, this is promising.

Very good track

track rips yeah and that chorus is catchy as fuck

so most of the Wil Francis thread is spent lambasting #MeToo and the 'witch hunt' of predatory men and calling the accusers of being (at best) liars, while this thread is spent p much defending a guy who fucking paid to have his wife killed

you guys really aint shit

by the way two years is not enough time for a fucking attempted murder

you guys really think the US justice system is all hunky dory when Brock Turner served half a six month sentence

Still going to 1 the fuck out of this when I can

" you guys really aint shit" [2]

I just like the track, Tim is a garbage person still

Lol keep on bitching, bitch. Im gonna go jam AILD m/

I liked Wovenwar a decent amount, but I just never got interested in AILD. Looks like this won't change my mind.

"you guys really aint shit"[x10]

Song still slap tho

Wovenwar pales in comparison to AILD imo.
This track is much better than I expected. 8 years ago I crowd surfed to the front during Anodyne Sea, Tim reached out and shook my hand. I teared up hard. Best day of my life and I'd do it again lol

Great thread. Gonna jam any shit they put out, zero fucks given

Wovenwar blows.

"As I Lay Dying? Isn't that the band where the lead singer tried to kill his wife?"

"Yeah, they're metal af!"

btw i just had a quick listen and this really aint special lol, just another metalcore track

this song is insanely catchy, the pacing is great - all around jam

(btw you all absolutely crucified Camp Cope for a series of tweets about white men)

keep up your moral crusade heaven, dont stop until we all see the light!

not really talkin to someone who calls themselves adolfchrist tbf

"not really talkin to someone who calls themselves adolfchrist tbf"

fair enough, clearly you have pristine moral standards!

actually this is like my third account lol, ive been around since like 09

then start acting like a big boy.

heavenbydjsammy

haha funny username

Song rules but they hit the chorus way too many times. Still, ALID is back and that's awesome. Tim is still a massive dick but that won't stop me from enjoying the hell out of their new music.

Enjoyed the song, never been huge on these guys but thought it was alright all the same.

Can't help but wonder what Tim's wife must think of all this.

Dem titties tho

painfully generic as fuck

Exactly. And people wanna hype the shit out of this

Waahhh i dont like this but a lot of other people do, waaahhh!

tbh Adolf, kind of surprised you dig this.

Yes I like the track. Yes I like that the band reunited. No I am not letting what Tim did slide, I will still see him as the guy that tried to hire a hitman, but what he did isn't lingering in my head like some other crimes. Some crimes absolutely tarnish any kind of enjoyable listening experience, yet what Tim did doesn't do that for me. I understand that some people just can't enjoy their music now, if they ever did, but for me liking and listening to them is not the same as forgiving him for what he did.

I’ve never had a problem separating the art from the creator personally

@fear me too.

@Scream
That is a fair point. It is possible for him to come back from something so heinous but I know I personally wouldn't really look past it. Who knows however, maybe there will be a whole new reformation of Tim. Tbh I do think the moobs ordeal has him thinkin'.

I listen to burzum, so ill listen to this.

that air hook-punch thing Tim does repeatedly is pretty righteous m/ [2]

Song fuckin slaps, all is forgiven. Nuff said.

fun song

I did miss Tim punching the shit outta the air though.

There's no one else to blame

trying to have your wife murdered is more forgivable than sex with a 16 year old agreed

The air is his ex-wife.

The more I listen to it, the more it kinda grows on me.

Song rules but they hit the chorus way too many times. [2]

The lyrics are pretty self-aware, at least Tim seems to be showing regret for his actions. Song isn’t really anything special though

I enjoyed the song

Not a bad song. Kind of weird to listen to AILD again with Tim, knowing what he did.. but let's not pretend this is on a level remotely similar to that of kiddyfiddling Watkins from Lostprophets, shall we?

does this mean WovenWar is dead?

I liked WovenWar more.

it's fine but holy fuck you people are hyped
wss has done this EXACT sound better than aild ever thought about doing, pre or post attempt

Lol how is this hype, a lot of us are just saying "it wuz gud."

I love how every asshole musician who gets #metoo'd's fanbase is like... 'well at least he didnt fuck babies like that lostprophets dude lmao'

Man, you'd think if one thing could kill a career, itd be trying to commit actual murder

But it trips me out that the whole band is back and that the song is actually good

Good song despite all the drama

#TimDidNothingWrong

The lyrics of this legit sound like a sociopath trying to be like “how do I sound as sorry as possible in three and a half minutes”

So good I almost killed my wife ..... To soon ??? Seriously this shit slays . I don't give a fuck im glad they are back .

@botb not sure if trolling or just stupid

Tim fanboy detected ^

If you think that's bad, look at the comments on their Facebook page. Shit will give your cancer AIDS

AI(L)DS*

Tim is a good dude and doesn't afraid of anything

"despite all the drama"

paying to have your wife killed is just drama apparently

Tomayto tomahto.

I meant in this thread idiot

Lol

Pretty bland and generic - this band is capable of so much better.

This makes me wanna throw hands with my wife

Theyve announced a show.

Band sucks hard

The ending of this track killed my wife

Wait I thought the song did it

Domestic-Violencecore

whoa hilarious edgy humor guys lol right

that aint shit, watch this:

We got a winner

The only crime Lambesis is committing here is his statue like stage presence that he’s had since AILD’s inception

The fuck are you talking about, he moves around plenty.

“The fuck are you talking about, he moves around plenty.”

Song is good but you must be high. Probably why he tried to hire someone to kill his wife. He didn’t wanna move.

I guess constantly punching the air and vigorously headbanging dont count as movement.

Hell, at least it ain't about his wife. Kinda refreshing lol

I mean he's no Puciato but he moves around as much as the average lead singer in the scene so... ?

Now it makes sense why Wovenwar went dark after their tour late 2016, since Tim got released around that time...

Lol. I just wiki'd Lambesis and found out that he remarried less than 6 months after being released from prison.

Can you imagine how mentally fucked up someone has to be in order to marry a man convicted of attempting to murder his wife?

Probably fucked up enough to enjoy his shitty music...

I was wondering about the ring on his ring finger. Who would be dumb/crazy enough to marry Tim right after all of that shit.

Call me weird but I totally think it’s strange how a large portion of the population checks out peoples ring fingers

"Can you imagine how mentally fucked up someone has to be in order to marry a man convicted of attempting to murder his wife?"

You've got a point there...

Not enough air punching.

""Can you imagine how mentally fucked up someone has to be in order to marry a man convicted of attempting to murder his wife?"

You've got a point there..."

Any nice Christian women out there with a big and forgiving heart?

If Wovenwar breaks up over this, I'm going to file a FUCKING COMPLAINT

She couldn't resist dem juicy titties.

Curious to see who the new wife is

I think it's the girl he cheated on his ex with

Niiiiice my man

Gettin dat pussy, yo

The boys are back in town! Will continue to ignore.

The girl Tim married was the same one he cheated his wife on that led to the divorce.

Tim is such a piece of shit lol

so what about that thing where he tried to get his wife murdered?

The new song rules so we've forgiven him

ah ok

Call me crazy but what Tim does has little effect on how I feel about this reuinion. I'm way more interested in the original band members, Nick especially because he was so vocal about how fucked up what Tim did was. For me to really be on board with it, I need a statement from them about what he has done to show that he's worth working with again.

That said, song rips. And if they release more music that rips, previous paragraph probably won't apply. But I will have lost all respect for the other members.

If I remember Josh and Phil were also vocal with the interviews they had. Still waiting to see what justified this reunion.

"But I will have lost all respect for the other members."
seems pretentious

"I kind of agree it feels a bit weird, but I think we should all try to let Tim move on from this shit. Yeah it was a horrible mistake, but he did his time and is obviously reflecting on his situation in this song. That’s worthy of my respect."

In this situation, where As I Lay Dying decide to reunite and cut a new track/album, releasing a song with these lyrics is certainly better than completely ignoring the situation.

Still, there's no denial that the guy clearly has/had issues. Whether it was everything that locked him in a cell, to remarrying 6 months after leaving prison, to...new physical attributes, there's a lot there. Here's hoping they release an official statement, or something to try and mend the situation. I don't really think anything they'll do will help remedy this. Perhaps time, but that's it.

It's just a weird thing. I was such a HUGE fan of the band (my username is a song of theirs - made back in the day when replacing letters with numbers was hip or whatnot), and the new song they put out IS good. It's just, at least for me, I don't think I can morally support the band.

Oh look a user who doesn’t know what the word pretentious means

Song kicks fucking ass and all you haterz can suck my big ol donkey balls

haven't listened to them since the incident but can't deny I really dug this song

did not like the cleans.

this is actually pretty good

Those clean vocals killed it for me pass.

I'm really just not that into this style of metal at all anymore. You can boycott this shit, but I mean the man did his time. He can musically redeem himself, as far as his family goes...probably not.

I'm sure there's an essay's worth of commentary to be made in here about the inherent irony in a self-professed christian attempting murder, denouncing religion, then invoking forgiveness and jesus when he gets caught out, but whatever. Fuck supporting this band.

Meh.

Nick and Phil really laid it out.

Oh shit, that vid is pretty fuckin real. Not sure if I'll ever get the time to watch the whole thing though.

I listened to the whole thing. I don’t know why I’m so interested in this band and how this thing develops. I never even heard of them before this.

Like I listened to the entire discussion video but I can’t sit through more than 1 minute of this song

Not sure about that discussion video

domestic ultraviolence

Damn, that video. I feel bad for the rest of the guys. Seems theyre convinced hes a changed man. Hope theyre right.

totally agree

It's always the pretty ones that are crazy

lmao I was talking about Tim

why does everyone seem to want to fuck bloc and why is it making me want to fuck him?

looooooool

bloc is a hunk

*punk

Punk Hunk

Perfect

Phunk

Perfection improved

song rules