There's a problem with that link not going to the correct article.

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/ben_hopkins_of_pwr_bttm_accused_of_sexual_assault_support_acts_pull_out_of

I'm kind of skeptical about this whole deal personally. It seems like a whole lot of people are coming forward with the 'yeah me too!'s but nobody is actually providing hard info or evidence. And now it seems like their supporting acts are jumping ship to avoid bad press. Pretty weak from everyone involved.

What if it turns out the allegations are bullshit?
Will they be able to repair their reputation?
My guess is no

Accusations like these are basically attempted career homicides. Sad to see this happen, especially after they released Pageant. Hopefully the truth comes forward in one way or another.

rape allegations has become the new communist witch hunt in a certain way

These came out a couple days ago, victims don't usually have wvidence and most never come forward out of fear. For one to come forward saying they saw something only leads to more people coming out as victims. Many of these alleged victims only came forward to the girl who posted the original facebook post. Touring band member says the band was emailed months ago but didn't do anything.

With things like sexual assault and rape we have to take them seriously, they are te victims not the band. You being skeptical and saying it's a bad look for everyone, with more knowledge than you, to jump ship says something about you more than anything. The way their management, the band, touring members, and friends of PWR BTTM have reacted i am even more inclined to believe them.

Could the timing be considered suspicious? Sure, but not with te knowledge they were emailed months ago and honestly when will people be looking at this band more besides a heavily anticipated release? It gets the most attention on the problem possible.

Also what hard evidence do you want? Pictures? Video? If you look into this at all besides the headline you'll see there is a lot out there in terms of "evidence" already.

and no smaugman... they haven't.

I don't know the band and have full belief that these allegation could be true, as I have no reason to be swayed in any one direction, but that post is hilarious.

"He's also anti-semitic, here's a picture of him with a swastika"
*man smiling next to a swastika drawn in the sand*

legit laughed out loud

uhh being groped? what do you think?

whatever is going on

michael gira thread part 2 incoming?

i would say so sin. the album thread is way more civil/understanding/not misogynist

band sucks he def did it

robotmagician i think you might have misunderstood me... all i meant was that rape allegations seem more common than before, and can destroy a person's life. that it is more common than before is probably wrong when i think about it. i forgot how taboo it was to talk about that stuff before

okay quick chime in: evidence is obviously desired when it comes to making any allegation against anybody but with sexual offences in particular it's very hard to provide much evidence. without me describing what a sexual offence looks like, it's easy to see why: the victim doesn't leave the scene with a stab wound, and there aren't security cameras in people's bedrooms.

ultimately without enough plausible evidence we can't be convinced that somebody is guilty of what a victim is alleging, but as robotmagician said, we gotta take this shit very srsly. the fact that allegations of these sorts of crimes, by nature, often don't come with a lot of evidence means it's easy for them to be trivialised as character assassination when they may in fact be legitimate. then of course there's the sexist implications of ignoring victims of sex offences, and all the other social issues surrounding these crimes like rape culture.

And now it seems like their supporting acts are jumping ship to avoid bad press.

What if it turns out the allegations are bullshit?
Will they be able to repair their reputation?
My guess is no

rape allegations has become the new communist witch hunt in a certain way

What counts as an assault for sjw's though?

I only just heard of them through their stream via npr and now here we are. Some of the details seem far fetched to me (the whole, 'we were told that Ben was hitting on minors but thought nothing of it,' bit reeks of the same artifice as born again former satanists), but I honestly can't see why it would all be made up. If a bunch of people are saying one thing, odds are that someone is being honest and it only takes one person for it to be true. And given that Gira was brought up, the only reason that discussion went away is because Grimm decided to not pursue legal action (as far as I can see). And, also from what I can see, it also hasn't really hurt his career.

yeah i was gonna say Gira is still Gira-ing

"you fucking queer cavalier"
Queer Cavalier


Queer Cavalier



Cavalqueer

holy shit

understood smaug. allegations may -may- be more common than before. it rape has always happened so if anything it's good people are being destroyed by those who are able to speak out.

also queer cavalier sounds cool so whatever buzzkites

I'd like to believe these aren't true. But RobotMagician and Dimsim are spot on.

Seems like there's a lot of misinformation in the air here, so I thought I'd clear some things up.

-There is (and has been) a trend in people overestimating the prevalence of false reporting.
-Rape has a very low report rate compared to other crimes.
-Rape has a very low conviction rate compared to other "he-said, she-said" crimes.

It seems like a few people posting in this thread are just contributing to misinformation. I'd like to see some people cite research before making sweeping claims that rape allegations are being somehow weaponized on a mass scale by DA COMMIE SJW'S. I know, I know... it's Sputnik. Expecting people to cite shit is dumb. But if you spread rape myths in your spare time on music forums because you're an ignorant fuck, you're part of the problem.

"-There is (and has been) a trend in people overestimating the prevalence of false reporting.
-Rape has a very low report rate compared to other crimes.
-Rape has a very low conviction rate compared to other "he-said, she-said" crimes."

thank you for this

These posts draw out the shitheads of Sputnik like flies to shit

It now appears that Polyvinyl will stop selling PWR BTTM's new album, and I think anything else they've done as well.

http://pitchfork.com/news/73494-pwr-bttms-new-album-pageant-no-longer-being-sold-by-label/

Reporting of sexual crimes goes up probably because people are increasingly more comfortable with reporting them, not because they're becoming more evil and willing to lie about such things (for no good reason).

Did not see this coming at all, what a scumbag

Yeah, going out of their way to promote this idea of queer solidarity and safety and turning out to be the opposite. But I guess its not unlike the church or any other institution/group that sort of panders one way for a following but is really about something else entirely. Super shitty.

All I can say is that I hope this isn't true, and I hope the album is still good.

Oh, the new album is awesome. Honestly, makes the whole situation more sour.

I mean maybe the idea was to lure in impressionable and vulnerable queers to their shows and then rape them since that seems to be what gets them off

sexually assault*

I don't know about the skepticism, whole thing started in the DIY Chicago group I'm a part of, definitely didn't seem like a career kill attempt so much as a warning to other members that PWR BTTM shows might not be as safe an environment as the band ostensibly presents, in the face of some increasing toxicity in the group itself.

If there's a chance Porc is gay I'm moving to Chicago

Oh shit, Zip, time to PUNCH THAT TICKET

Can I get more than my ticket punched?

Get a room

lol the swastika thing.

fuck rapists and fuck rape apologists

ok

Rape is impossible to justify. But my problem with allegations in general is that people are quick to call the accused scumbags and ruin their lives without knowing 100% that it happened. Not saying that the guy didn't do it and that it's a common thing, but it does irk me when I see it.

still bumpin it

what bothers me is when obviously innocent people still get treated like criminals, like the dude who won by a landslide in the mattress 'art piece' thing and still was treated like a serial rapist or some shit

or the michael gira case (?

if u call that 'rape apologists', well, ok

'uh, maybe with shouldn't torch the guy before at least a proper procedural investigation has taken place, guyz?'

- A disgusting piece of shit rape apologist pig.

lol

i think a couple people dont know what a rape apologist is itt.

no real way to prove these things happen in the first place, so pray tell how an investigation would actually be done--especially given most victims don't go to the cops at all rofl

conversely, how do u prove u are innocent

Lot of victim blaming going on around here

absolutepunk.net is gonna a field day with this...

oh wait!

"Lot of victim blaming going on around here"

oh, really? where?

Fucking hell I always knew Sputnik was full of idiotic cunts but I've never seen so many congregate in one place, all you rape apologists and "hurr durr prove it" fucktards should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

wow this thread is an absolute disaster and simply should not exist

lol theres that word again, rape apologist.

you keep using those words. i do not think you know what they mean.

"all you rape apologists and "hurr durr prove it" fucktards should be fucking ashamed of yourselves."

you know what? youre absolutely right. anytime someone is accused of rape, we should automatically believe it. who needs evidence? problem solved!

LepreCon is a rape apologist.

with an official investigation you can at least shake off the liars that just jump in to get some attention on fear of getting caught and charged on insult and slander and focus on the real victims, if there's even a real victim.

it's also important to do go to the police, it sets a precedent

talking about rape apologists, what about those who apparently k n e w and didn't do anything about it, at all, until it became viral?

didnt that one band on tour with them say they knew as well?

"you keep using those words. i do not think you know what they mean."

Yeah everyone should listen to you because the name AdolfChrist sounds like someone I want to listen to

'Yeah everyone should listen to you because the name AdolfChrist sounds like someone I want to listen to'

lol rekt

not really, you guys need some new material. ive heard that one plenty of times.

bro your name is adolfchrist what do you expect

from others? not much.

it's a song reference tho

nicholas von nuclearrape

^ that ones just fun.

nuclearrapeapologist

"with an official investigation you can at least shake off the liars that just jump in to get some attention on fear of getting caught and charged on insult and slander and focus on the real victims, if there's even a real victim."


Yeah, victims should go to the police. But they don't, for lots of obvious reasons. What you're saying is equivalent to "Hey guys, eat your veggies they're good for you." Yeah thanks, but that's not how any of this actually works. Talking to actual victims of sexual violence it's pretty obvious why they never report it.

they might have their reasons to not want to report, but that ultimately only hurts victims. u have to pull through

What I mean is if you talk the talk, then you should also walk the walk. There are very sick, very bad people who get off by assaulting and violating someone and deeply hurting them. Some commit rape, others tell lies about rape and get away with it (don't tell me it doesn't happe, cuz it does)... Both will ruin an inocent's life FOREVER, and both should be condemned, persecuted and publicly shamed.

not reporting only prolongs the suffering of potential victims. one has to understand the pain of reporting, but still push for victims to do it

Who the fuck are PWR BTTM?

man, just because they have to report rape doesn't always mean they can. victims are dehumanized and scared. they're scared of how they'll be perceived, scared to be blamed, scared to be put on the stand in a trial to have their life ripped apart and for the defense to blame them for the rape. you really need to look into what you're talking about before you speak so ignorantly on it.

what makes u think i don't know about it, as if i've never seen it closely? my point stands still

no, it doesn't stand. at all. please educate yourself.

"educate yourself on your own experiences"

y'all know what, this is a trend that needs to stop tbh. it should have stopped when y'all told me i don't know anything about being gay either

if you had your own experiences you'd understand why what you're saying is not only wrong but harmful

intelligent comment, "i haven't lived my own life"

man seriously pushing a rape victim to out their rapist is incredibly harmful and if you don't see why that's the case or why it can make things worse i can't help you

u don't get it, do u lol

get what? i'm refuting what you're saying as that does not work for everyone, hence why the vast majority of rapes are not reported.

the part about 'not reporting hurts potential victims' stands for every case, telling victims not to report doesn't help anyone

advocating for victims to report crimes is good, but you're coming off like you're dismissive of victim trauma by just saying they "have to pull through."

sorry - i'm 100% not advocating not reporting. sorry if that's where our misunderstanding is coming from. i think we should creat an environment where reporting feels safe for the victim and they don't have to face this backlash of "you wanted it/it was your fault/you're lying" etc. because that's what it's like right now and it is scary as hell. i didn't like the fact you said we should push them as i believe that could very well cause more damage. ending rape culture is how we make victims feel safe. every rapist should be outed and imprisoned but it's too often that it is one and not the other.

the great irony in all of this is that i still have a swans album as my avatar

ain't never said it doesn't hurt, u still have to, for ur own sake, for victims, and everyone u love. reporting also advocates against that 'victim blaming' culture, by standing strong and choosing to fight in the face of the ugly adversity

It's a matter of what you care about most... Trying not to dig into a hurt person's terrible past so help god you somehow hurt them more than they've already been hurt in order to get the person who did it and set a precedent on how rape victims should proceed when/if it happens.

And if they can't do nothing cuz the person who rapes them is also their parent/legal couple/someone who has power over them and could hurt them more or even kill them doesn't apply to rape exclusively... All forms of abuse kind of work like that, too, and I don't see no one saying 'don't push people that get work-related abuse to talk!'

I get it, rape is a special, different from other kinds of abuse, but it's not THAT different.

sorry to inform you but yeah rape culture is a thing

also a problem asdfp is that even if you do go report something, nothing might happen anyway. Rape kits go untested, no real investigations happen, etc

it sets a precedent of the offender

justice isn't perfect and u should more than know that, being a lawyer and all. it's still the best we've got, and it's really worth it

"sorry to inform you but yeah rape culture is a thing"

im sorry, but lol

and the sarcasm goes right over btrd's head

wait i legit thought u were

edit: fuck was it porch?

not sure an edgy 12 yet old named AdolfChrist and a guy who was banned for calling someone a fag are going to convince me it's not a concept that certainly applies to what happens to rape victims but that's what i come here for

hahahahaha

back to the college campus with ya, laddy.

The only thing cooler than antifa are the republicans who sm0k a big weed and shrug their atlases

They Want Me Gone, And I'm Making It Happen

apparently this was a really bad thread because like half of it was wiped

looks intact to me

where's caliggy when you need him i hear reddit is dying to see this thread

damn they deleted the guy calling me a queer cavalier

Did AdolfChrist actually go through my ratings just to find something he could make fun of me for? lol

queer cavalier lol

@sleepys nah dumbass, ghost mentioned a brokencyde 5, went to check if he was talking about you and then saw the rape culture you cultivated.

So you did? lol

@sleepys nah dumbass, ghost mentioned a brokencyde 5, went to check if he was talking about you and then saw the rape culture you cultivated.

Everyone involved with them is jumping ship (Management, label, supporting acts, supporting musician) so it seems like it's legit.

cant argue with that logic!

What it seems like is that all these cunts knew about this for a loooooong time and now that its come to light they're all jumping ship. Fuck them for not doing anything before. They're only sorry cuz they got caught

Yeah, but it's pretty stupid on their behalf to just think that this wouldn't come to light.

"I legit thought zaru was like a 19-y.o. who thinks Antifa is cool"

Nah they weenies i just like it when skinheads get wrecked in public.

agreed ahrd

http://tinyurl.com/lvs97xv

I actually used to run into this guy at the country club a lot and he's def a rapist. just my opinion

Damn nice comments my irl friends also think that rape literally doesn't exist ! L o L

"I actually used to run into this guy at the country club a lot and he's def a rapist."

Did he run his dick into your ass a lot?

I should report that comment, lives have been wrecked and you're just being your usual flippant self... jeez louise

Okay friendo, let me hear the ways in which you deduced that he was DEFINITELY a rapist by running into him in a country club

praise b sowing god ov stealth hax

Look I don't think rape is funny but if you do you can crawl back on over to r/thedonald

How DARE you

You like raping people? Fine but don't rub my face in it

Heh

phrasing

This is not the greatest thread.

maybe it was just the tip

@Adolf I don't see why you have to start name calling lol If you ever get sexually assaulted, I hope people don't act like you and victim blame you. I hope people are more kind than you.

BUT IT WAS U WHO STARTED !!

lmao

I didn't start it lmao

what is wrong with ya smh

Victim blaming is personal with me

log off, u rape apologist smh

lmao nice troll but I'm actually being serious here

wow

Still don't know who the fuck PWR BTTM are.

a band. u can google it

this band still makes cool music

idc if they rapists

Thread is a trainwreck. Imo casting judgement on either side at this point is just reactionary. The truth is we don't know either way; it is wrong to assume guilt automatically, and it's wrong to assume that the accusers are lying. I think it's important to remain reasonably sceptical, but also be supportive of people who come forward. The only thing the public can really do with a case like this is to ensure the person(s) who are potential victims press charges and let the courts handle it.

Throwing around pretty serious allegations of "rape apology" and "victim blaming" just because not everyone's ready to get the pitchforks and torches out so quickly is a bit idiculous. No internet detective is going to solve this one and just as it's unhealthy to discourage victims from coming forward, it's equally destructive to create an atmosphere of immediate persecution where someone can be brought down by an accusation alone.

well said. fuckin rape apologist.

Quit victim blaming Adolf

Scuro that was some fine victim-blaming, as a rape apologist am so proud of u.

I don't think it's coincidental that pop punk bands keep being accused of sexual assault.

yeah pop punk is like a fire to moths if the moths were sexual predators

"Scuro that was some fine victim-blaming, as a rape apologist am so proud of u."

lmao

kiss that contrib tag goodbye

damn

Apparently, the bottom doesn't generate the power. Nor does it have the ability to receive enormous amounts of power. Speed is not a factor in this case.

This is what killed Gaza and Drunkdriver so I guess RIP PWR BTM too then.

"This is what killed Gaza and Drunkdriver so I guess RIP PWR BTM too then."
as with the aforementioned bands, not a big loss.

Oh geeze. Well I've learned my lesson: stay out of these kinds of threads lol.

chappelle's show always comes to mind when I read these things.

Can you even commit sexual assault as a bottom?

ask ur mom

victim blaming victim blaming victim blaming rape apologist rape apologist

holy fuck this thread

How do you even pronounce this band name do they not know how vowels work

pretty sure most ppl are able to figure it out. i can gladly offer assistance if you genuinely don't know how to pronounce it.

also why the fuck did i read this thread

It's just a really really terrible name

Test.

Alright mods, what the fuck are you doing to me?

I demand answers!

reported

I don't know what to believe anymore.

I asked them to unban you

Yea, just saw the meds. Thanks bby.

But before that I was confused cause it just looked like I got a second ban and then tried the OG account to see if it was lifted and wallah it worked again.

Everyone who has unironically used the following words in this thread raped me:

"rape apologist"
"rape culture"
"victim blaming"

Now, don't you go questioning this, lest you become what you claim to be so against.