im sure most of sputnikmusic will be most pleased about this

Wow

We promise you will not be disappointed

EC (3:26:59 PM): CHIODOS LOST THEIR VOCALIST
Serp (3:27:08 PM): FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Serp (3:27:11 PM): HES GONE
Serp (3:27:13 PM): HES FINALLY GONE
EC (3:27:17 PM): HURRAY
Serp (3:27:25 PM): CRAIG OWENS IS GONE ITS A HOLIDAY
EC (3:27:31 PM): I WANT TO RUN OUTSIDE NAKED
Serp (3:27:36 PM): I AKREADY AM
EC (3:27:43 PM): WHOA IMPRESSIVE TYPING SKILLS
Serp (3:27:52 PM): MY COCK FELL ON THE KEYBOARD SORRY

ALL CAPS!

What son, this is big

R.I.P., Chiodos.

Owens > Chiodos. In fact, Owens IS Chiodos. Carreer suicide.

Now can we have follow ups to CinSun and Isles and Glaciers as soon as possible, please?

They weren't good before but this certainly helps.

I agree with red

^i agree if only for more cinematic sunrise to be made

The music world just got a letter less suckier.

Pwned.

thank god...

wait is referencing chiodos no longer going to be a viable source of L'sOL??

whoa ec that's a hilarious and zany correspondence!

and nothing of value was lost

This will either turn out to be very awful, or very awesome. Craig Owens' voice gets on my fucking nerves sometimes. But other times it fits perfectly.

so? he sucked.

this is good news

not like the douche was hampering the unbelievable music performance of the rest of the band

OH MY GOD! This is some of the most shocking news i have heard in a long time. i don't know what they are going to do about a new singer but this could be a good thing, or a really bad thing. i have a feeling chiodos is going to lose a lot of fans. scene girls love craig

He probably came out of the closet and they are homophobes.

i got so happy. i thought he died or something, so much for getting my hopes up. well i take that backt hats a little harsh

Am I the only person on this site who likes Chiodos?

I for one am a little sad, I saw them at warped tour at which time Craig said they were working on a new album, which I got pretty excited for.

:-(

I like chiodos too but I think this is okay cuz that just (hopefully) means more cinsun!

Band should just change their name and start fresh.

Guy was annoying anyway

first underoath, then from first to last, and now chiodos

Wtf are you talking about oath?

Haha. Band is screwed. Not that I particularly like them or anything...but everyone knows who Chiodos is BECAUSE his vocals were that way. And why they were popular in the first place...teenie-bopper girls that wanted Craig's shitty chest hair and v-necks.

Career suicide getting rid of Craig

Let's see how long it takes before Johnny Craig quits Emarosa to sing for Chiodos... Jk.
I'm still deciding if this is good news or bad... I feel like if the instrumentalists of Chiodos get out of their creative rut and USE
some of the skill that I know they have hidden somewhere, and they get a good (and less polarizing) new vocalist, new album
should be good. That's a lot of 'if' tho.

"Wtf are you talking about oath?"


all three lost their vocalists that gave them their sound

There's been a lot more bands that have lost their "special" vocalists in recent years

wow they might actually may be good now.

but i'm not holding my breath

Am I the only person on this site who likes Chiodos?


^^you may want to check the avatar of the person who posted before you,observation is key

"There's been a lot more bands that have lost their "special" vocalists in recent years"


well i mentioned those three because i vaguely liked them and UO and FFtL, i never really liked them afterwards

awesome now they can be good

I'm glad, maybe I'll be able to get into this band now.

it was only a matter of time.

Oh no, who will fat scene girls worship now?
Well, I guess All Time Low still have another 6 months left in them.
Keep rockin, fatties!

ATL!

i actually enjoy Chiodos quite a bit. at least, their first album...
and he was a unique singer so its going to be hard to please fans in the future...same as FFTL.

I loved Bone Palace Ballet, just the vocals got grinding after a while.

mixed feelings; anticipating their next move

I really felt like Craig's voice was better for Cinematic Sunrise. Chiodos will be awesome this time around...i hope?

"" No official comment has been issued by Owens at this time; earlier today, he tweeted, "Home for months - first time in a long time. I plan to write a song everyday, take vocal lessons & become much better at what I already do." He also recently announced plans for a solo covers EP. ""

thank you twitter

"Lol, Owens attempted suicide out of depression and bad criticism.....makes this all the more sweeter"

Wow, that was completely unnecessary. You may not like Chiodos, but wishing suicide upon Craig is just downright low.

"Let's see how long it takes before Johnny Craig quits Emarosa to sing for Chiodos... Jk."

I know you're joking, but Jonny Craig & Craig Owens are really good friends, I'm sure Jonny wouldn't ever join Chiodos.

I just talked to Craig two weeks ago at a show and he was genuinely excited for the new album to be released. I don't think he saw this coming at all, to be honest. He even talked about one song he was particularly excited about, "Zombies." So I really think they pulled the rug out from under him. However, Bradley Bell's Twitter just said something around the lines of: "You've become inconvenient" just two days ago.

As for all you CinSun hopefuls, remember that Bradley Bell is also in CinSun, so that may mean the end of that project as well.

To be honest, Chiodos made a huge mistake by letting him go. BUT they made an even LARGER mistake by not divulging the reason. IMO it makes them seem cowardly and extremely shady. They even disabled comments on their myspace and their blog so people wouldn't be able to share their reactions. If they don't want to lose all their fans, they should man up and be honest to all of the people that have supported them for so long.

Finally, I know everyone thinks that Craig is a dick but I've talked to him one-on-one for lengthy periods of time, he's not perfect, but he really cares about his fans and making good music. I do know that he's not the womanizing asshole people make him out to be. He's an excellent and extremely talented front man who has the ability to move mammoth crowds of people into chaos. Yes, his voice may not be perfect, but NO ONE else can evoke that much energy from a crowd.

He's an excellent and extremely talented front man who has the ability to move mammoth crowds of people into chaos. Yes, his voice may not be perfect, but NO ONE else can evoke that much energy from a crowd.

yes, really.

i liked what you said until then.... NO ONE?! pete fucking wentz or whatever could start a riot if he wanted to and hes a pile of shit carrying a bass

If only I cared.

awesome he sucks

Alright, fine, "no one" is too bold of a statement. But every Chiodos pit I've ever been in has been downright animalistic and insane. I leave drenched in my own sweat with my clothes half fallen off. They're cathartic.

But Pete Wentz? You can't even compare the two. FOB's music would never evoke the same sort of angry energy from a crowd that Chiodos' does. I think everyone has this misconception that Chiodos fans are all 14 year old girls... I certainly am not, and a lot of the people I see at shows aren't 14 either. Don't get me wrong, they do exist, but they aren't real fans.

Whatever, I fully admit Craig sings off key. At least he's not autotuned. Who says a vocalist has to be on key? Who says an artist has to color in the lines? It's all about creating an experience, and he does that.

ian curtis didnt sing in tune and i enjoyed his vocals. but this guy sucks thats all

You're entitled to your own opinion, and I respect that. However, if you (or anyone else, for that matter) says "this guy sucks" without any reasons behind it, your statement doesn't carry any weight or have any import whatsoever.

aesthetica, i thought the reason he sucks was pretty obvious...

a vocalist who sings in a band like Chiodos should really be singing on key, otherwise it just sounds horrible. You know I thought that was common knowledge in the art of singing?


You're basing your argument on the idea that a GOOD VOCALIST equates to a GOOD SINGER. I don't agree with that. A vocalist "vocalizes" the music, they don't "sing" it... if you can vocalize the experience of the music well, you're a good vocalist. A "band like Chiodos" was DEFINED by Craig's off-kilter, raspy, and often maudlin vocals. They are a very emotive band that strives to create music that drips with an overload of RAW human emotion. Craig's vocals were raw and rough-- they extenuated the sound perfectly, so he was a good VOCALIST for that band. Now, a band that's all about aesthetic experience would require a good SINGER to have a good VOCALIST.

well he sounds like he's singing out of tune, all the time. How's that for reasoning?

It would be good if you weren't exaggerating

dude what makes a good vocalist is indeed dependent on the context: what kind of music the band plays, what sound they're going for (atmosphere, textures, emotion) and whether or not they're wanting to combine/modify genres. and i think people at sputnik understand that quite well. they're a pretty knowledgeable bunch generally.
it goes to show that you can have a vocalist who is just unlikeable. i mean you have bands like BTBAM whose vocalist is atrocious, but still vocalises (predominantly) in a "metalcore" style. he's just really bad. just because the vocals fit the context of the music doesn't mean they're good.

I just think that this guy doesn't sing in tune at all which for me is kind of a big deal, that's all I'm saying.

That's completely understandable, and you're completely entitled to NOT like Craig's vocals. I don't hear pitch as well as most people, and so it doesn't bother me. I listen to the emotion in his voice.However, I don't think he's off tune ALL the time. The guy CAN sing better than most people. Moreover, I agree with what you're saying -- "I know very well that vocals should aim to cater for the style of music that is being played. " Craig perfectly caters to the style of music.


it goes to show that you can have a vocalist who is just unlikeable.

No, HE'S not unlikeable. A lot of people like him. Thousands of people do. YOU just don't. What's "good" or not is a personal judgement. What we CAN objectively judge, however, is how well the vocals FIT the music, which we both agree on.

"At least he's not autotuned"

Hate to tell you, but he is auto-tuned. 99% of everything that you hear on a CD recorded in a studio nowdays has been auto-tuned to some extent; Chiodos is, but especially on Bone Palace Ballet it's subtle and minimal enough that people generally don't notice unless they've used the program in production and know its quirks and relics. It's easy to tell that the recorded parts on BPB were good enough that they only really used auto-tune as a little bit of studio polish. He can hit pitches well, but I feel like the out-of-tuneness that Benzum's talking about is just occasional poor choice of harmony (combined with Chiodos's obsession with harmonic minor-tinged chord progressions), and inflections that often involve swooping up or down across a couple of tones before centering on a pitch.

Point is, he can hit pitches, he's unique, and he's polarizing. You love him or you hate him. Case in point, scroll up.

FOB > Chiodos.

I'm not even going to bother arguing that bullshit


And if you seriously think Chiodos make the crowd go wild go see a band like Dillinger, that's cathartic.

Have you been in a Chiodos mosh pit?

No, HE'S not unlikeable. A lot of people like him. Thousands of people do. YOU just don't. What's "good" or not is a personal judgement.

What we CAN objectively judge, however, is how well the vocals FIT the music, which we both agree on.

Brah, I figured they were a little autotuned, but I've seen them live enough that they sound essentially the same as they do on the CD... so that's where I get my argument from.

Also, thanks for the clarifications on musical technicalities. I agree with you.

brahthesungod thanks for the info, that's illuminating

I agree with you to an extent that TECHNICALLY he is an awful vocalist. I've already voiced that before in the debate. What I am arguing, however, is that he FITS the music, which we agree on. Also, yes, that is subjective. I was wrong. However, it doesn't matter because we both agree on that anyway.

Debate over, I need to sleep. Thanks for the chat.

i like you you're alright

No I haven't, I don't like Chiodos, I've seen their pits and they're nothing special. There are far better bands with a far better live experience on offer.


You have to be IN a pit to judge it. It's unfair for you to compare pits if you haven't really experienced it. That being said, maybe there are better pits, I wouldn't know. I haven't been in them YET. All I know is that I have been extremely personally satiated by every Chiodos pit I've ever been in, and that's enough for me.

Okay now I'm peacing.

(sorry for the ramble btw)

it's all good, it was interesting

Aestheticia, not doubting that a Chiodos pit could get insane, but an Anti-Flag pit is a massive experience to be held, and their music has been bland for the past 5 years. Biggest circle pit of my life!!!!

as a fan, chiodos's live show is incredible. Craig is an excellent frontman, and I like the confidence in his vocals, how even though he may not be the most technically gifted singer he still does a full rock-star delivery and it definitely comes across as evocative and generally enjoyable in both a studio and live setting.

In my opinion.

Band is going to go in the same direction as From First To Last imo

needs moar mikael akerfeldt. and here is their chance.

Been in two chiodos pits

Warped Tour 09
Warped Tour 07

I definently agree with the Dillinger guy.
Also Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza.
Those two bands have you questioning your lifespan.

Whoever posted this needs to put up a link... I know its legit now, but the mods typically remove articles without a source.

hmm, odd.

never liked em much, but this will def make them less annoying.

I actually think the most impressive mosh pit I've been in was for Prodigy... Otherwise for the posthardcore - metalcore scene, I've been or seen some massive one at Alexisonfire and As i lay dying concert... this is some real sh*t...
But definetely want to experience TDEP, Poison The Well and The Devil Wears Prada pits...

Aestheticia = craig owens

i wasnt impressed by the chiodos pit
horse the band - cutsman was the biggest pit ive seen

Lol, title made me think he just went missing.

thank god

considering the fact that Owens isn't a unique vocalist, it was the orchestration of the music that was unique, they could find any average joe to replace him.

i like his cover of anna begins

say what you want about this band, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFYjW81Ml-Y
2:43-2:46
Probs not the "best pit ever", but still really effing fun. Bloody nose and bruises for a week :D

i stage dove and passed out at a chiodos concert at chain reaction in anaheim

By being a part of about 35 acts, I guess he spread himself thinner than Jonny Craigs modesty. Kudos to this band for moving on.

"I guess he spread himself thinner than Jonny Craigs modesty"

this ftw

Lol, title made me think he just went missing

Haley should fire the guys from Paramore... then ask the Chiodos dudes to come aboard

i met him like, 4 years ago, and he seemed like a nice enough guy then. i thought he was a pretty good vocalist when i heard him live too. i don't really mind the singing style; it's not like it's that ridiculously uncommon in the genre... chiodos is still damn talented without him.

sweet

shut your fucking mouth stitches

alls well that ends well was an epic fucking cd, all round. i got mad respect just for that.