Austin Carlile accused of rape

2020-06-09 by Kurai | 503 Comments
Austin Carlile, the former vocalist of Metalcore band Of Mice and Men has been accused of sexually assaulting/raping at least 15 young girls.

The 15 girls in question were interviewed about their experience by AltPress years ago only for AltPress to not press ahead with the story due to threats of legal action from Carlile.

Following AltPress's recent story regarding Carlile's religious views, the stories have been brought to light yet again. Following this, AltPress announced that they would be reopening the discussions and allowing the voices of his victims to be heard:

https://twitter.com/AltPress/status/1270195097045544960

https://twitter.com/spooky_t0fu/status/1270309301907849217?s=20

Tagged: Of Mice And Men

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Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


I'm really not surprised, and that's the saddest thing. The scene is so predatory, along with a most of the alt scene that it honestly terrifies/disgusts me on a visceral level. AltPress were cowards for backing down from doing the right thing a year ago, but at least they will publish these stories. These girls must be heard.

SteakByrnes
June 9th 2020
19932 Comments


Garbage person

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TheCalebRobinson
June 9th 2020
143 Comments


Yikes. Pretty shitty of him to try to hard to suppress this story while also promoting his new-found love for religion.

hobblepot
June 9th 2020
2456 Comments


I knew about some allegations years back but they went largely ignored, and I know Forever YDG’n was the band somewhat calling him out, but I didn’t know shit was THIS bad

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


There's so many stories that are pushed down, that it's absolutely disgusting.
Fuckin Pouya is out there still with a strong fanbase that knows nothing about the evil shit he's done. Along with other bands that promote "progressiveness" whilst being too terrified to call someone the fuck out or kick them off their tours or shit like that. God dammit.

TheCalebRobinson
June 9th 2020
143 Comments


Me must've known this would come out at some point; didn't he flee the country after he left OM&M? Could've sworn I read somewhere that he lived in like Costa Rica or something. Seems awfully coincidental.

JWT155
June 9th 2020
14615 Comments


I'll be shocked if there's anything short of rampant sexual misconduct going on at Warped Tour for years.

bigweinerdon
June 9th 2020
705 Comments


hahah holy fuck. dudes always seemed like a weirdo, doesnt surprise me

Dromasta
June 9th 2020
139 Comments


Hope this fucker burns in the hell he believes in. Sick piece of shit. Anybody who is like this man should be eradicated IDGAF!!!!

highandtight
June 9th 2020
179 Comments


This shit was inevitable. The entire reason for grown adults to participate in this shitty music scene was always to prey on impressionable, manipulable young fans. Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off.

hobblepot
June 9th 2020
2456 Comments


“ Me must've known this would come out at some point; didn't he flee the country after he left OM&M? Could've sworn I read somewhere that he lived in like Costa Rica or something. Seems awfully coincidental. ”

Yeah like the second he left the band he fucked off to some fancy island to recover and talk to god or some shit. I know the rest of the band knew about the allegations, I think they found out about them around the time he left and that’s partially why the split happened. Band was probably contracted to remain silent, they don’t seem like scummy guys

JWT155
June 9th 2020
14615 Comments


I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.

Rowhaus
June 9th 2020
3528 Comments


This Austin guy seems like a real jerk!

JayEnder
June 9th 2020
7609 Comments


Doesn't surprise me.

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Pikazilla
June 9th 2020
11473 Comments


Shite band, fuck its fans

Scoot
June 9th 2020
19979 Comments


to the surprise of absolutely nobody that knows who this guy is

absolute disgrace and needs to fuck off forever

Scoot
June 9th 2020
19979 Comments


also this shit is all over the warped tour scene and has been for years

Pikazilla
June 9th 2020
11473 Comments


warped tour bands are lame, agreed

RobertZDar
June 9th 2020
136 Comments


Fuck right off with your lame hot takes, user Pikazilla. Your input here is valued even less than normal, which I didn't think was possible.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


someone get this guy a moist toilette ^


fuck all these pedo bands [2]

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ElioG
June 9th 2020
769 Comments


He just serves his opinion with style, I really cannot see your point buddy.

ElioG
June 9th 2020
769 Comments


Omg, I mean Pika lol

JayEnder
June 9th 2020
7609 Comments


"also this shit is all over the warped tour scene and has been for years"

I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls

ElioG
June 9th 2020
769 Comments


Easily manipulated scene boys.

RobertZDar
June 9th 2020
136 Comments


army recruiters

Pikazilla
June 9th 2020
11473 Comments


in what twisted universe is stating one's dislike for pedocore considered a hot take

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


even if he just meant the warped tour take, thinking scenecore bands are shit is barely lukewarm

ShadowRemains
June 9th 2020
25495 Comments


hope he rots in prison the rest of his life

CugnoBrasso
June 9th 2020
1034 Comments


I still haven't read the word "ephebophilia" on this thread, what the fuck is happening to this site

Snake.
June 9th 2020
22272 Comments


"I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls"

police/military transplants

wildinferno2010
June 9th 2020
771 Comments


I knew a girl in high school who used to gush over this band. So that sucks even more now

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


"hope he rots in prison the rest of his life"

he deserves much worse than that imo but if i detailed what i think should happen to rapists and pedos i'd probably get banned

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


> Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off.

ngl when i read this part i first thought of jessi slaughter and blood on the dance floor

> Fuck right off with your lame hot takes, user Pikazilla. Your input here is valued even less than normal, which I didn't think was possible.

literally who the fuck are you and why are you defending pedos that make shite music

Element
June 9th 2020
42 Comments


the music scene has some awful people in it.

ShadowRemains
June 9th 2020
25495 Comments


"he deserves much worse than that imo but if i detailed what i think should happen to rapists and pedos i'd probably get banned"

pedos certainly aren't looked kindly upon in prison so that might happen anyways

Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


My favorite part of these threads is the accounts with like 57 comments who decide they have enough SputClout to go to bat for their problematic fave and not get immediately dogpiled

outliers
June 9th 2020
1538 Comments


Pretty sad how no one is suprised at this shit

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


"pedos certainly aren't looked kindly upon in prison so that might happen anyways"

yeah, hopefully his fellow inmates and staff will help intensify his sentence but i'm not sure they have access to all the equipment and medical staff necessary to completely fulfill my vision of justice. they'd also need about a dozen or so male gorillaz.

butt.
June 9th 2020
7688 Comments


Yeah definitely not surprising. But what is surprising, and sickening, is that AltPress kept quiet about it even all through the MeToo bombshells. Like..................how does this story not break? What “legal action” could he possibly take against them when he’s the one raping minors?

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Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


i love that in the tweet they virtue signal so hard about refusing to let this story die after pussying out the first time around and continuing to feature and write about this band in a supportive manner and how literally every subsequent tweet is people just shitting all over them.

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


agreed with the 2 posts above

Asdfp277
June 9th 2020
22797 Comments


"ngl when i read this part i first thought of jessi slaughter and blood on the dance floor"

oh god i had forgotten about her

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Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


Carlile can sue for "slander" or whatever have you, it doesn't matter if its correct or not. AltPress probably either couldn't or didn't want to take a financial hit to defend themselves against it. Even if and hopefully when they beat him in court, they'd be out hundreds of thousands of dollars. Its another reason why rich people get away with this shit. They can bury their enemies in an abundance of court costs until they withdraw, or in the case of the victims, sign an "agreement" to make it stop.

It is repulsive

Asdfp277
June 9th 2020
22797 Comments


"Yeah definitely not surprising. But what is surprising, and sickening, is that AltPress kept quiet about it even all through the MeToo bombshells. Like..................how does this story not break?"

-yeah, same

"What “legal action” could he possibly take against them when he’s the one raping minors?"

-defamation or something like that probably

Satellite
June 9th 2020
26429 Comments


Alt Press has always been little more than a fluff publication that exists to prop up the industry. Exposés aren't something they do. I can't remember them ever breaking a story like this in the past (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not surprised in the least that they would cave to legal threats.

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Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


been watching that epstein doc on netflix and thinking about how its pretty crazy that cops have an easier time murdering black ppl than they do getting pedophiles into prison

Keyblade
June 9th 2020
29283 Comments


agentdeathbat prob only got like 2 bands left to listen to at this point

SteakByrnes
June 9th 2020
19932 Comments


lmao

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


Did he actually physically force sex on some or all of these girls too?

To be clear I'm not saying that if he didn't do that it somehow makes his actions any less despicable. I've just never understood why people in his position resort to that shit when they clearly don't need to. Unless they just get off on that shit.

I'm curious what the psychological reason behind this is. Reminds me of that Mindhunter show.

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


> Alt Press has always been little more than a fluff publication that exists to prop up the industry. Exposés aren't something they do.

yea thats a lot of niche publications online and offline tbh

gamers should know

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


" AltPress probably either couldn't or didn't want to take a financial hit to defend themselves against it. Even if and hopefully when they beat him in court, they'd be out hundreds of thousands of dollars. Its another reason why rich people get away with this shit. They can bury their enemies in an abundance of court costs until they withdraw, or in the case of the victims, sign an "agreement" to make it stop."

So they chose profit margin over justice for at least 15 girls but perhaps even more importantly anyone that came after their silence is also on their hands.

Besides, aren't there other ways they could get this out there ? Anonymous leaks and what not. Or were they holding on to it to get full credit for the story . They want their cake and eat it too.

botb
June 9th 2020
13932 Comments


Another shitty warped tour pop metalcore band member is a rapist?


I’m absolutely OVERCOME WITH SHOCK

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


> Besides, aren't there other ways they could get this out there ? Anonymous leaks and what not. Or were they holding on to it to get full credit for the story . They want their cake and eat it too.

bingo

Mongi123
June 9th 2020
20898 Comments


15!!! Jesus H Christ that's an absurd amount of rapes and 1 is horrible enough. Not good. Not good.

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


"So they chose profit margin over justice for at least 15 girls but perhaps even more importantly anyone that came after their silence is also on their hands."

Exactly. Margins>stances. Even if it is good PR for them, it wouldn't counteract the cost of publishing the story at the time considering he's still a very low level celebrity that most don't care about. It is like this for most large companies, and maybe I'm just a cynic at this point, but it makes shit like this feel hollow. I'm still happy that these girls are getting their stories out there, I'm just incredibly upset that it had to take this long.
And these things can leak, but unfortunately these things don't gain traction, and these people still end up keeping their careers, because no large publication can give enough of a shit to help give these victims a pedestal to speak out on. I can guarantee that people have tweeted and spread the word about Austin in the past, but evidently it did nothing--this is the first time I've heard of this until a "major" publication came out to make a statement.

Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


At this point can we just agree that the whole warped tour scene is guilty until proven innocent

Like there's no way the bands OM&M toured and partied with for years don't know about any of this stuff and there's absoLUTELY no way his bandmates were completely in the dark. At *best* the scene is lousy with enablers and spineless worms willing to look the other way.

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


^

CugnoBrasso
June 9th 2020
1034 Comments


Almost as if Warped Tour was originally called Wa-raped Tour

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


Uhh no we certainly can't all agree that the entire warped tour is full of raping pedos sorry. There's a ton of decent honorable folk out there I'm not about to just blanketly label them all as rapists.

I seriously doubt the likes of an Ace Enders or Dustin Kensrue would ever engage or condone this shit. If they did my world view would be shattered =(

Snake.
June 9th 2020
22272 Comments


>warped tour
>"There's a ton of decent honorable folk"

this is the worst thing i've read in a minute

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


[2] lol

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


this is the same retarded logic as "buh buh but not all cops tho!!!"

you're not decent and honourable if you turn a blind eye and allow shit like this to fester in your community/scene/etc

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


Do you know how many bands play at warped tour? You are retarded.

CugnoBrasso
June 9th 2020
1034 Comments


Yeah buddy, they're all rapists except for the bands that you like, Ace Enders just donated three square inches of his liver to charity, whoever he is.

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


"this is the same retarded logic as "buh buh but not all cops tho!!!"

you're not decent and honourable if you turn a blind eye and allow shit like this to fester in your community/scene/etc"

It's nothing like that you dumbass. What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories? It's highly likely many bands know jack shit possibly never even met other bands during warped.

Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


I would consider going on record as denouncing predatory artist-fan relationships and cutting ties with people in your scene who have pulled shit like that as "proving oneself innocent" but hey turns out a whole lot of these motherfuckers would rather just keep having fun at festivals while their buddies grope teenagers backstage.

Keyblade
June 9th 2020
29283 Comments


"It's nothing like that you dumbass. What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories?"

honestly? prob

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


lol

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


yea kompys gets it, shame about the ENLIGHTENED CENTRISTS who dont

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2020
26856 Comments


why is everyone who is trying to claim the moral high ground saying r*tard

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DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


Fuck it let's just say if you are a band you are a rapist. Why stop at warped. We all listen to a bunch of pedo rapists. If you have music playing right now you are a rapist supporter so feel guilty

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


lol no wonder this defensive grug has a bunch of brand new 5s hahahah

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warped_Tour_lineups_by_year

Damn that's a lot of rapists or at the very least silent supporters.

Shit the list is so long it like broke my phone scrolling down. Damn rapists.

Green Baron
June 9th 2020
25066 Comments


Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008, they're not relevant to this discussion. It's the turn of the decade shitty bands like Of Mice & Men and whatever recent Jonny Craig project he's in now that spawn the least surprising rapists ever

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


keep posting cringe bro youre doing gods work defending this fucked shit

Slex
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2020
9917 Comments


Fuck Austin and fuck anybody coming at my boy Pika, y'all have baby dicks and ya mom is a ho

holy shit the number of imbeciles in this thread already

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Snake.
June 9th 2020
22272 Comments


"What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories?"


pretty sure the vast majority of rxpists would not be openly public about who they abused


how many strawman arguments do you have up your sleeve bro

vult
June 9th 2020
234 Comments


well thank god warped tour is dead, although i'll admit i attended at least 7 years from ages 12-20

also austin carlisle has always been a shitlord who asks for pity for his "hard life" and boasts about his finding God. now I cant jam Stick Stickly without feeling guilty.

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


"
Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008, they're not relevant to this discussion. It's the turn of the decade shitty bands like Of Mice & Men and whatever recent Jonny Craig project he's in now that spawn the least surprising rapists ever
"

Nope we already agreed anyone at warped tour is a rapist.

SteakByrnes
June 9th 2020
19932 Comments


Yea I can guarantee that there are a bunch of dudes from Warped Tour bands that have done similar shady shit that just hasn't surfaced, or the people around them turn a blind eye

Slex
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2020
9917 Comments


Literally nobody agreed with anything you said because you're an embarrassing moron Dream

Green Baron
June 9th 2020
25066 Comments


There's stories about A Day to Remember and Sleeping With Sirens rapists popping up too because of this, other Warped Tour bands that have the least surprising allegations ever. I would have betted that these stories came out earlier, but they're also too popular to get a proper takedown

Satellite
June 9th 2020
26429 Comments


itt i remember why i stopped using the site

parksungjoon
June 9th 2020
21491 Comments


you're an embarrassing moron Dream [2]

CugnoBrasso
June 9th 2020
1034 Comments


DreamAgain is going rapeshit

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


"Pretty sure the vast majority of rxpists would not be openly public about who they abused

how many strawman arguments do you have up your sleeve bro"

Lol it's almost like you just proved my point. You literally just said the exact same thing as me just rephrased. So what you're saying is it's likely bands who played at warped tour had nothing to do with or knew nothing about pedo raping going on? So perhaps not every band at warped isnt raping people :thinking:

vult
June 9th 2020
234 Comments


I'd be heartbroken if bands like Silverstein and TDWP were up to this stuff on warped.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 9th 2020
57547 Comments


calm down park. ur just being mean spirited for the sake of it.

DreamAgain
June 9th 2020
1421 Comments


Yes I'm the moron in all of this after somebody compared bands playing at Warped Tour to institutionalized racism in law enforcement.

Slex
Contributing Reviewer
June 9th 2020
9917 Comments


I didn't see that and that also sounds considerably dumb

KenboSlice
June 9th 2020
3558 Comments


"Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008"

Thrice played Warped last year bruh

ThePlotInLou
June 9th 2020
5 Comments


I haven’t used this account in years lol, but seeing this headline ... I had to come share my thoughts on it. There was a headline not that long ago about the singer of Aiden doing some sick shit like this too & to agree with most in this thread ... Yes a lot of these band dudes are sick fucks (Ian Watkins I’m looking at you) I wouldn’t put it past them, but the other members or just other bands in general who have knowledge of these situations are scum for not speaking the fuck up. S/o Landon Tewers & the boys in TPIY for speaking on this dude years ago with “Digging Your Grave” Might give that shit a spin today just because!

JayEnder
June 9th 2020
7609 Comments


"agentdeathbat prob only got like 2 bands left to listen to at this point"

lol


Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


There are stories about band members getting up to sketchy shit floating all around that scene. This story literally almost broke years ago and got actively buried. you don't think it's even a little sus that no one ever goes "hey man, what's the deal with all these people saying you got with a 14yo?". You don't find it a bit odd that every single story like this breaks because the victim comes forward, and it's never once a bandmate or manager who finds out and won't keep it quiet?

Green Baron
June 9th 2020
25066 Comments


Well I’m blind

They went 11 years without playing it so I don’t know why they felt the need to return. They were always too good for Warped anyways

wwf
June 9th 2020
6798 Comments


mclovin lookin ass rapist motherfucker

Snake.
June 9th 2020
22272 Comments


dude itt you went from questioning the victims to arguing that not all warped tour artists are abusers to saying that only locker room talk would out you as an abuser


you don't have a fucking point, you're just blowing off hot air because someone in a music website thread generalized all warped tour artists as pedos


"Yes I'm the moron in all of this after somebody compared bands playing at Warped Tour to institutionalized racism in law enforcement."


oh yeah bc you definitely cared about that before you were called out for acting like a child

vult
June 9th 2020
234 Comments


Usually because the only people who have hard evidence of any wrongdoing are the perpetrator or the victim. When you accuse someone in the "public spotlight" without concrete evidence supporting your claim, it turns into a he-said-she-said situation and can seriously impact credibility. Plus, nobody wants to whistleblow someone with that amount of a fanbase because of the potential negative backlash for speaking out.

It sounds selfish on the part of a third-party to think like that, but imagine the prospect of stans doxxing you or giving your family death threats because you came out and said something?

wwf
June 9th 2020
6798 Comments


haha stupid gay women thinking they can write articles amirite

CugnoBrasso
June 9th 2020
1034 Comments


LMAO female AND gay and yet they think they've got the brain power to learn all of the 26 letters in order to write an article smh thank you socialism welcome to NORTH KOREA!!!

Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


Yeah, I get that there's an incentive to keep things on the dl, it's the overall trend that really gets me. On an individual level it's absolutely understandable, but a whole scene encompassing scores of bands and a thousand+ individuals and almost nobody willing to speak up is extremely disappointing to me.

Snake.
June 9th 2020
22272 Comments


My favorite part of these threads is the accounts with like 57 comments who decide they have enough SputClout to go to bat for their problematic fave and not get immediately dogpiled [2]

TheMrAlexK
June 9th 2020
11660 Comments


“There's stories about A Day to Remember”

Lol yeah Josh Woodard. I actually googled the accusations earlier and a message board from fucking 2011 came up with people talking about him fucking underage girls. Crazy some of this shit takes so long to really come to light.

SlyZ
June 9th 2020
59 Comments


"I wrote more comments, so I'm right" thank you. Very strong arguments.

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Kompys2000
June 9th 2020
4283 Comments


It's okay man, you'll get there eventually

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


Imagine being so blind or stupid that as an adult you can't recognize that warped tour was a breeding ground for predatory behaviour.

heck
June 9th 2020
4738 Comments


"As a female-led, lgbtq+ editorial staff...well here goes the credibility..."

get coronavirus

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Eons
June 9th 2020
2763 Comments


i always hated this guys voice

cloakanddagger
June 9th 2020
396 Comments


Always love the fact that these threads bring out the dumbest motherfuckers on this god damn website.

Eons
June 9th 2020
2763 Comments


that ''Cold World'' album the band made was straight up terrible. I still cannot believe how terrible it was. Fuck him

I don't necessarily like picking on music websites because I have a soft spot for most of them because they're usually funded by the owners and donors and they're a labor of love kind of like Sputnikmusic is. I think alt-press is bigger though.

Pikazilla
June 9th 2020
11473 Comments


"Imagine being so blind or stupid that as an adult you can't recognize that warped tour was a breeding ground for predatory behaviour."

Yeah, pretty much this

Eons
June 9th 2020
2763 Comments


though jesse lacey is also a scumbag i dont think its fair to group him in with this guy, the stuff this guy did (allegedly) about 10x worse than Lacey.

lxxwj
June 9th 2020
25 Comments


>"As a female-led, lgbtq+ editorial staff"...well here goes the credibility...

imagine typing this

Spec
June 9th 2020
35957 Comments


There were always rumblings of this.

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


And yet sadly, it took this long to reach a broader audience

Keyblade
June 9th 2020
29283 Comments


""I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls"

"army recruiters"

"police/military transplants""

just to cut thru the bs for a minute, can someone explain this?

Satellite
June 9th 2020
26429 Comments


the military used to sponsor and recruit at the warped tour.

punk rock!

Eons
June 9th 2020
2763 Comments


i think that guy has a point if the staff really are feminists and they covered this up, again though we don't know who was running the site back then and we also don't know what the threats from this guy were, maybe he said he'd ruin them or put them out of business by suing them.

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


Recruiters go to warped tour because it is predominately younger audience, so they can try and convince kids to join the army--same reason they're at most other fair-type events.
My Warped Tour had this weird hari krsna like religion that would talk to anyone outside of the gates and give them their holy book as a gift, but then ask for a donation, and if you didn't give them one, they'd ask for it back.

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


I mean, fair, but I hardly doubt Alt Press would go under because Austin fuckin Carlile lol

teamster
June 9th 2020
5028 Comments


"This shit was inevitable. The entire reason for grown adults to participate in this shitty music scene was always to prey on impressionable, manipulable young fans. Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off."

Spot on.

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Satellite
June 9th 2020
26429 Comments


@Eons It's more likely that the Alt Press brass decided that the risk of a lawsuit (regardless of whether or not it had merit) wasn't worth it. The publication exists to sell advertisement and make sure the industry profits. Nobody turns to them for hard-hitting investigative journalism.

Keyblade
June 9th 2020
29283 Comments


thanks dudes. sounds like the whole thing was a shitshow lmao

TheGreatQ
June 9th 2020
2943 Comments


Yeah there’s been rumors since he left Attack Attack. Honestly bet at least one of the other guys did shit too because they fucked off pretty quick after saying they were going to reveal why he was actually kicked out.

GhostB1rd
June 9th 2020
6391 Comments


15? What a dick.

Slugboiiii
June 9th 2020
92 Comments


Imagine being scared to print that a rapist is a rapist because the rapist said he'd sue you. This is why the USA is so fucked up.

Also, it says a lot about the world that these girls could only got to some hack publication about it. People need to start going to the police and reporting these sick fucks.

Also, also. If you're in a band, have sex with consenting legal girls and stop being a fucking paedo rapist. Mongs

Minushuman24
June 9th 2020
3432 Comments


The police should start talking these things more seriously.
Agreed on the rest tho

Jasdevi087
June 9th 2020
6216 Comments


"People need to start going to the police and reporting these sick fucks."

i feel like we should all know by now that cops in the states are good for pretty much fucking nothing

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JWT155
June 9th 2020
14615 Comments


lol okay

highandtight
June 9th 2020
179 Comments


jwt155 going to bat for the cops again. how do those boots taste my man?

Slugboiiii
June 9th 2020
92 Comments


As long as the girls aren't black they should be ok

Eons
June 10th 2020
2763 Comments


whats with the people saying theres no reason for adults to be in this kind of music, maybe they like making the music? lets not say all pop punk/metalcore/whatever bands are sick fucks who are only in it for underage girls.

zaruyache
June 10th 2020
22686 Comments


"As long as the girls aren't black they should be ok"

joke aside there it still doesn't matter since cops don't care to pursue such cases, and there's no funding or interest in actually testing rape kits when assaults do happen. You are very much better off just getting the boys together and having batting practice with the guy's knees.

Emim
June 10th 2020
28601 Comments


Thread is a dumpster fire as per usual. Good job, guys.

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SteakByrnes
June 10th 2020
19932 Comments


Always love the fact that these threads bring out the dumbest motherfuckers on this god damn website. [2]

highandtight
June 10th 2020
179 Comments


sometimes it even includes the mods. fortunately there hasn't been any victim-blaming itt yet.

TheGreatQ
June 10th 2020
2943 Comments


Thread is a dumpster fire as per usual. Good job, guys. [2]

Shamus248
June 10th 2020
482 Comments


i can't tell you how much i was looking forward to entering this thread and seeing moral outrage feigned by people who 5'd Science Fiction

wwf
June 10th 2020
6798 Comments


i only 4.5d Science Fiction. i have a very harsh .5 point tax for any album done by a rapist thank you

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 10th 2020
57547 Comments


"i can't tell you how much i was looking forward to entering this thread and seeing moral outrage feigned by people who 5'd Science Fiction"

Pos'd

coldheaven
June 10th 2020
5329 Comments


Y'all pieces of shit are telling on yourselves itt

Digging: Touche Amore - Parting The Sea Between Brightness And Me

joshieboy
June 10th 2020
7540 Comments


Shitty people that hide behind being ''changed'' and ''people of god'' make me sick

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coldheaven
June 10th 2020
5329 Comments


god is shit

Thalassic
June 10th 2020
4973 Comments


Apparently this guy once attempted suicide.
Shame he botched that one.

CugnoBrasso
June 10th 2020
1034 Comments


This guy is a piece of crap and deserves to rot in jail, but look at the bright side, I will probably write my 1000th comment today.

coldheaven
June 10th 2020
5329 Comments


Don't waste it on a rapist from a shit band

CugnoBrasso
June 10th 2020
1034 Comments


I'm afraid I'm not an expert on decency, I 5ed the entire Black Veil Brides discography yesterday.

coldheaven
June 10th 2020
5329 Comments


One big oof to-go

EclipseInYourEyes
June 10th 2020
1487 Comments


Okay, I just skip the comments and wanna know one thing: The guy with this fucking rare pain syndrome is religious? I mean, you're genetically fucked from birth and you still believe "oh yeah, there is Jesus and God and everything they do is good"?

Anyway, best treatment for this dick is probably to ensure that he lives as long as possible suffering from his sickness

Kurai
June 10th 2020
415 Comments


Is it really surprising that Touche Amore refused to play Warped Tour because they didn't approve of the misogynistic nature of the bands that played?

Who reckons that Snide would be defending Carlile if he was still here?

Sinternet
June 10th 2020
22696 Comments


almost guaranteed

commenting just because i'm a pessimist and want to see it in my discussions for the next six months

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JS19
June 10th 2020
7659 Comments


Metalcore strikes again

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Kurai
June 10th 2020
415 Comments


Thankfully real Metalcore bands like Converge, Poison the Well, Shai Halud and Misery Signals are as far removed from the Warped Tour variety of Metalcore as you can get

JayEnder
June 10th 2020
7609 Comments


"When you turn to a higher power, it usually means other mortals can't stand you."

Pikazilla
June 10th 2020
11473 Comments


Genericore strikes again [2]

Relinquished
June 10th 2020
45084 Comments


saw something like this coming for any band that sounds like them

warped tour groomers

Asdfp277
June 10th 2020
22797 Comments


sounds like the dude plays this part about being religious as a smokescreen tbh

ConcubinaryCode
June 10th 2020
5420 Comments


I swear he's had allegations before

Keyblade
June 10th 2020
29283 Comments


I wouldn't begrudge you for confusing him with another guy

unclereich
June 10th 2020
6302 Comments


my ex banged this guy lol. which is surprising given she was in her 20s at the time which seems way too old for this piece of shit

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Asdfp277
June 10th 2020
22797 Comments


hope she gave him a std

JayEnder
June 10th 2020
7609 Comments


[2]

Keyblade
June 10th 2020
29283 Comments


wow yall willing to sacrifice reich for this guy

ConcubinaryCode
June 10th 2020
5420 Comments


Naw, there's definitely a ton of predators (adtr bassist, ptv drummer, Craig Owens, Jonny Craig) but I remember an allegation coming out because of the person's renewed faith or whatever so that's why it sounds similar. It mightve been attack attack?

Nope, not his first accusation. https://wolves-atmydoor.tumblr.com/post/103181855776/austin-carlile-rape-acusations

ConcubinaryCode
June 10th 2020
5420 Comments


Also poison the well played at warped tour. So does EtID. Theyre just better than most of their peers #notallcorebands

unclereich
June 10th 2020
6302 Comments


hahaha I just know her and her friend were invited on their tour bus after a show and did a lot of coke and a lot of butt sucking

GhostB1rd
June 10th 2020
6391 Comments


How much of it do you attribute to availability?

Ain't no chicks at a blackened death metal show, but plenty at Warped.

JayEnder
June 10th 2020
7609 Comments


I saw a lesbian couple at a Slaughter to Prevail show once. Only two girls in the entire crowd it seemed

dfevil085
June 11th 2020
1534 Comments


Used to have a friend who was SUPER into this guy when she was in college. Almost curious on what her thoughts are.

I’ve heard of rumors about this guy before. Sucks that it took so long to get out.

Asdfp277
June 11th 2020
22797 Comments


the biggest question here is: how did he even have fans

PortalofPerfection
June 11th 2020
2357 Comments


FIFTEEN!? Obviously one is already fucked up beyond reason but 15!? How did he get away with it for long enough to do that?? Damn man. What a POS.

Darius The Imposter
June 11th 2020
22366 Comments


austin carlile sucks

24gadjet
June 11th 2020
289 Comments


another core dude being a serial predator? no /s

hope the dude catches a brick what a pos

24gadjet
June 11th 2020
289 Comments


'I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.'

bump, whole music industry idolises people like Bowie and this is what you get


24gadjet
June 11th 2020
289 Comments


'I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.'

bump, whole music industry idolises people like Bowie and this is what you get


iChuckles
June 11th 2020
345 Comments


Apparently these allegations aren't new and he's never adressed them in the past. If multiple people are giving similar accounts it's safe to say he's a fucking rapist scumbag.

Saw this comment on a reddit thread which details every account --old and new-- plus reactions from his former band members from both Of Mice & Men and Attack! Attack!

"This is the most unsurprising news ever. I was on tour with Attack Attack and a band called In Fear and Faith in 2008. Not only did Austin sleep with probably a dozen underage girls throughout a few weeks, he also tried to sleep with the gfs of INFAF. Anyone in the scene that is claiming they never witnessed anything, or that it was just a rumor, is a bold face liar. This has been known for years. I could list you probably 20 other guys that are in the same boat as Austin. It’s fucking disgusting."

Dude is straight up veering into Ian Watkins levels of behaviour.


Digging: Counterparts - N.L.T.L. B-Sides

SteakByrnes
June 11th 2020
19932 Comments


That's disgusting

Earlgrey79
June 11th 2020
13 Comments


(Pretends to be shocked)

DamnVanne
June 11th 2020
3304 Comments


The first wave of metalcore and post-hxc was an artistic movement. The second was an exploitation, a reaction to how many troubled teenage girls were attached to the scene. So none of this is surprising. Everyone is suspect.

TheGreatQ
June 12th 2020
2943 Comments


“Dude is straight up veering into Ian Watkins levels of behaviour.”

He’s fucked up, but not “give your infant son meth and suck his dick for me” levels of fucked up.

JayEnder
June 12th 2020
7609 Comments


How do these people sleep at night

Keyblade
June 12th 2020
29283 Comments


u ain't had to go into the details again goddamn

Nikkolae
June 12th 2020
5497 Comments


AP director released a statement about their involment.

https://www.altpress.com/news/alternative-press-austin-carlile-story-statement/

I feel although they do raise some fair points about the moving of Journalism into a more politicised and Socially Active post-Journalism, they are not Politico or anything the like of a investigative news outlet, regardless, If anything they could´ve alerted the pertinent authorities to look into the matter if they felt so incapable of using the statements and witness accounts they had to begin with.

As for AC, 15 rape allegations are not something you stumbble your way in, it is unveliebably disingenous to think there might not be some creedence to at least some of them, and even if it were only one, one is serious enough to at least ADDRESS IT.

As for the whole "Warped was rapey" most def some bands never participated in the allegations that others are involved in, I´ve been in bands and I have played in gigs with people of "cuestionable" behaviour, its not fair to put them on that boat, BUT it is also reasonable to say that, by no will of their own, they might have put some of their fans at risk by choosing to play shows with these people, its a tough bullet to bite, sort of speak.

/Mytwocents

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coldheaven
June 12th 2020
5329 Comments


"He’s fucked up, but not “give your infant son meth and suck his dick for me” levels of fucked up."

A pedophile rapist is a pedophile rapist, no matter how you slice it.

Darius The Imposter
June 12th 2020
22366 Comments


pedophile minor molesting scum aside can we all agree austin carlile sucks as a human being

the raping is just the shit cherry on top of the jizz cake

Ziggity
June 12th 2020
878 Comments


Sounds like a really shitty cake.

Darius The Imposter
June 12th 2020
22366 Comments


ye austin makes it everyday and if you stan this guy and support him you eat it too

Waior
Contributing Reviewer
June 12th 2020
11765 Comments


a comment from the first of monsters and men album review:

"im a big fan of Austin. he was kicked out of AA! cuz he drank and partied with girls.. and since he was the only one in the band old enough to do so, they got butthurt and kicked him out."

hmmm

Ziggity
June 12th 2020
878 Comments


That did not age well lol

Darius The Imposter
June 12th 2020
22366 Comments


thats gonna be a yikes from me dawg

coldheaven
June 12th 2020
5329 Comments


Some of the mental gymnastics itt are mind boggling.

Darius The Imposter
June 12th 2020
22366 Comments


who could expect less from www.sputnikmusic.com

coldheaven
June 12th 2020
5329 Comments


Bring back MXTABS 2k20

JayEnder
June 12th 2020
7609 Comments


"im a big fan of Austin. he was kicked out of AA! cuz he drank and partied with girls.. and since he was the only one in the band old enough to do so, they got butthurt and kicked him out."

I don't know how you found this but god damn that's hilarious. It was right under our noses this whole time.

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 12th 2020
26856 Comments


lmao shit, just realizing i've written two reviews for om&m

teamster
June 12th 2020
5028 Comments


Oof Spirit. Hide that shit.

EclipseInYourEyes
June 12th 2020
1487 Comments


hahaaha

Keyblade
June 12th 2020
29283 Comments


honestly if one of these bands hasn't transitioned into hard rock/alt rock by their 30's/40's a la b4mv/a7x/linkin park etc even tho the music still blows then I'm looking at em funny

Kompys2000
June 12th 2020
4283 Comments


See Keyblade gets it

GhostB1rd
June 12th 2020
6391 Comments


Never seen anyone write b4mv in my life.

Ziggity
June 12th 2020
878 Comments


Sounds like key isn’t a true bfmv fan.

GhostB1rd
June 12th 2020
6391 Comments


Burn the witch!

Jots
Emeritus
June 12th 2020
7050 Comments


"a comment from the first of monsters and men album review: " the indie pop band lol

GhostB1rd
June 13th 2020
6391 Comments


Are you mad online, indifferent, or happy that your name has now become synonymous with a weeb around these parts?

Mr. Emeritus.

Jots
Emeritus
June 13th 2020
7050 Comments


I’ve been reduced to a Rickyism for a weeb and yeah I’m about to get a suicide-BINGO yes

Asdfp277
June 13th 2020
22797 Comments


@ghostbird: source?

TheGreatQ
June 13th 2020
2943 Comments


Accurate username please contribute to improving it by logging out forever.

goodsitebaduserbase
June 13th 2020
20 Comments


so no link then, just beta male snark

TundraL5Z
June 13th 2020
4672 Comments


This is just all hilarious

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ZombieParty
June 13th 2020
495 Comments


castration should be the punishment for this shit.

thatbandsucks
June 13th 2020
67 Comments


It's alarming how everyone is so quick to sever this man's head on a silver platter. This is the first time I ever heard a bad thing about Austin. So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years. And what's even more alarming, after trying to research this, there is absolutely no sources. I'd be more than happy to look into it, but send me some legitimate fucking evidence, and until then, let him have his due process.

rickeyhenderson
June 13th 2020
40 Comments


agreed, this is really just a case of he said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said.

JesperL
June 13th 2020
1103 Comments


yeah and why would we listen when there's 15 shes saying the exact same thing amirite let's believe the famous man in metalcore band, boom owned the femininists!!

Ziggity
June 13th 2020
878 Comments


He’s saved lives with his music guys. There’s no way this can be true!

Keyblade
June 13th 2020
29283 Comments


"I'm getting the feeling this is just teens he fucked wanting retribution after thinking they were gonna date him"

well that's a relief!

Ryus
June 13th 2020
19360 Comments


So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

Nikkolae
June 13th 2020
5497 Comments


people saying that he has done good stuff too are the same Hydranencephalitic twats that think that just cause Dennis Rader was a church leader meant that he didnt murder 10 folks

Also, some yall sound like you personally know the guy.

Ziggity
June 13th 2020
878 Comments


So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

Snake.
June 13th 2020
22272 Comments


https://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/members/1165314.jpg

sounds like you're on the wrong website bud, you could make it big as a youtube partner by pandering to alpha males whilst praising beta-tier swancore

highandtight
June 13th 2020
179 Comments


thatusersucks

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 13th 2020
57547 Comments


He's saved lives with his music? The 20 second of material I've ever heard from this band nearly cost me mine...

Pikazilla
June 13th 2020
11473 Comments


"The 20 second of material I've ever heard from this band nearly cost me mine..."

Word

GhostB1rd
June 14th 2020
6391 Comments


Don't be such a dramatic bish.

WeepinnWillow
June 14th 2020
989 Comments


anti-vax holier than thou cunt likes kids, how is this shocking at all

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Asdfp277
June 14th 2020
22797 Comments


xDDDdd

edit: bye comments

thatbandsucks
June 14th 2020
67 Comments


I like how the only thing you took from my comment was that one sentence. I even put "saving lives" in quotations because I don't necessarily agree with it. But god forbid you have enough common sense to combat my other contentions like evidence and due process.

I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at.

It's disturbing the lack of self defense he is getting, I understand 15 is a whopping number, but as easy as it is to accuse him, the easier it is in this society for the lack of punishment of false accusers. Like I said, send me links to their stories. I'd be more than happy to look at them.

Ziggity
June 14th 2020
878 Comments


I couldn’t care less about this band or Austin, and yes I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But this shits been floating around for years, so this isn’t the first time it’s came up by any means. Not saying he’s 100% guilty, but most signs are pointing to that he is. Feel free to keep defending him, you’re just gonna be in the minority here.

Asdfp277
June 14th 2020
22797 Comments


saving lives

thatbandsucks
June 14th 2020
67 Comments


when he screamed 'eeeeeee oh"
i untangled my noose

Asdfp277
June 14th 2020
22797 Comments


😔👊

zaruyache
June 14th 2020
22686 Comments


"He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

please don't be mean to my client your honor, he did charity one time he's a good boi owo

Nikkolae
June 15th 2020
5497 Comments


@thatbandsucks: court of public opinion is not the same as the court of law my guy, and as such i will continue to say, you dont stumble your way into this ammount of allegations, over the years, for nothing.

TheGreatQ
June 15th 2020
2943 Comments


Yeah I’m usually in the “wait for some proof beyond just accusations” camp, but these allegations have been lurking just beneath the surface for long enough that I’m the accusers’ side here.

Chambered79
June 15th 2020
614 Comments


This was a fun read

highandtight
June 15th 2020
179 Comments


Good of you to side with the victims in this one instance, TheGreatQ.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 15th 2020
57547 Comments


lol

Ryus
June 15th 2020
19360 Comments


"I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

lmfao

Asdfp277
June 15th 2020
22797 Comments


judge's be like, self attacking auto immune diseases

Devastator
June 15th 2020
4056 Comments


"I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

You must be one of those people who think Brock Turner is just a swell guy.

Ryus
June 15th 2020
19360 Comments


one of the funniest comments ive read in a long long time

highandtight
June 15th 2020
179 Comments


that has to be snide

TheGreatQ
June 15th 2020
2943 Comments


Honestly shocked Snide hasn’t posted anything on Facebook about this

Ziggity
June 16th 2020
878 Comments


Gotta change your name to badsitebaduserbase now.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Like I said before, falsely accusing people is a despicable crime that goes unpunished. In these particular cases, we see myriads of screenshots of these assailants soliciting from minors. There's none of that here. From my own experience, during the heyday of his career, I've seen countless videos and photos of him being a swell guy. Sorry I refuse to be a part the side of anecdotal nonsense. Did it cross your mind that AP refuse to post the article because it just so happen the victims had some serious contradictions in their stories?

Devastator
June 16th 2020
4056 Comments


AP literally said they didn’t post it due to legal pressure from Carlile.

KenboSlice
June 16th 2020
3558 Comments


Lol why is anyone defending Austin?

This shit has been known for years.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


They would be committing career suicide if they admit that the victims didn't have a case with their predominately hippie audience. And releasing a bombshell story with a weak case would leave them wide open for a slander lawsuit. They literally had no good way out of it if my theory is correct.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


You guys can continue to shit on me all you want because the only thing you guys are capable of doing is dishing out ad hominems. I understand this is a sensitive issue, and it's annoying that I have to keep reiterating that I'm not on Austin's side, but I can't stay quiet when the only life this allegation has is anecdotal.

Keyblade
June 16th 2020
29283 Comments


u want dna evidence or something

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Text messages, voice memos, police reports, for christ sakes he's toured with bands for a decade so witnesses would be cool, oh and the pure outrage of the parents of these kids who would march straight to the FBI for much needed investigation instead of going to social media

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


Just admit you hate women, you incel fuck

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


just admit you youre devoid of logic

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


I refrained from insulting people, you guys apparently did the opposite. You guys refrained from civil discourse and made yourselves look bad in the process. I just want justice for either party. I don't want an innocent man's life to be ruined and I also want justice for the innocence taken away from the poor young fans. But before I make a decision, I will wait this out.

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


You made yourself look bad the entire thread. So take your rape apologist bullshit back to the sewers from which you came.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


I actually did not. Feel free to point to the part where you dismantled either one of my contentions. Oh, wait...

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


I don't need to "dismantle your contentions" when it's literally been done the entire thread, but you won't quit. You'd rather take the side of a pedophile rapist rather than expressing any sort of empathy and humanity. Is OM&M and their vocalist really worth going to bat for and performing mental gymnastic after mental gymnastic? Last time I checked, they were a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer being defended by a piece of shit user.

JesperL
June 16th 2020
1103 Comments


has anyone copy pasted thatbandsucks' 5s yet?

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


The fact that you would bring your opinion of the band into the argument just shows how stupid you are. I have complete empathy for everyone involved in the situation. Getting taken advantage of by your idol as a young fan is tragic and deplorable. The only lack of empathy I see here is you. There's two sides of this coin, and a man's reputation being completely destroyed by a potential conspiring of people who dislike him is also immoral.

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


Just log the fuck out if you're gonna keep apologizing for a pedophile. A pedophile who has been known for this behavior for over a decade, a pedophile that has FIFTEEN accusers, a pedophile who has also been accused by other band members within the scene, a pedophile who somehow silenced AP from running the original story, and a pedophile who's being defended by a piece of shit user.

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


@JesperL he also 1'ed Straight Outta Compton

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Yup quickly turn the thread into my musical taste because your rhetoric sucks. and this is coming from someone whose 5's is compiled half of numetal acts

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


serious question.. Sig other or chocolate starfish?

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


I take no stock in anyone who has BFMV 5'ed. I could swear you were snide. Either way, fuck you.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


lmao you can't admit that The Poison is an important innovative album while having korn in your 5s

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


but in all seriousness.. what is your opinion on five finger death punch's cover of the offspring?

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


and for the record, do you think SOAD will ever have a comeback? These are very important questions

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


How big of a miscue was 'Life Starts Now' by Three Days Grace? Will they ever recover and find themselves back in spotlight?

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


The first two Korn albums are better than any release by BFMV, those are just facts, I don't make the rules. And your "trolling" of my 5's is moot when yours are terrible. They're also moot because you're a piece of shit.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


How vital is Brian Head Welch to Korn?

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Will Jon Davis ever cut his hair to a respectable length?

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


There's just no getting through to you, thatusersucks

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Will casual rock listeners ever figure out that 'Savior' by Rise Against is not The Offspring? I need your hot take to these important questions

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


What exactly is Stone Sour? Is it a side project or a legitimate band. And what's with that Looking At You Through The Glass song? He sings the prechorus like 6 times before he gets to the chorus. Or is the chorus actually a bridge? It's very distracting

coldheaven
June 16th 2020
5329 Comments


How long are your arms to make such great reaches? You're literally deflecting from every single thing that everyone, including myself, have said to you. It was fun to shit on you initially, but now it's just kind of sad. So with that, I ain't got time for your shit, son. I'll check back later when you're getting shitted on by everyone else.

Lastly, you already know my hot take. It's you're a piece of shit, which really isn't so much as a hot take, as it is a fact. Later, kidfucker.

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


this is a lot

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


Dude cool down. You are being straight vile. I actually started researching, and I stumbled across the statement AA! wrote about him a long ass time ago, and it actually rings a bell. I would be more than happy to support this if the members of AA! came out a re collaborate it. Also, I saw in this thread a statement from someone in In Fear and Faith? Can someone send me a link? I can't find anything about it

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


But the good thing about the internet, is that this story will probably explode, which will lead to testimonies. There's gonna be endless youtubers putting this in the spotlight

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


u still here?

CugnoBrasso
June 16th 2020
1034 Comments


thatbandsucks, I'm using my 1000th comment to tell you to taste my legendary scrotum.
You should feel honored, it's a privilege.

thatbandsucks
June 16th 2020
67 Comments


rather sad actually

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


agreed

Ryus
June 16th 2020
19360 Comments


“ Like I said before, falsely accusing people is a despicable crime that goes unpunished. In these particular cases, we see myriads of screenshots of these assailants soliciting from minors. There's none of that here. From my own experience, during the heyday of his career, I've seen countless videos and photos of him being a swell guy. Sorry I refuse to be a part the side of anecdotal nonsense. Did it cross your mind that AP refuse to post the article because it just so happen the victims had some serious contradictions in their stories?”

lmfao its absolutely hilarious how you keep completely missing the reason why i found your comments funny

botb
June 16th 2020
13932 Comments


“I saw a video of this guy being nice so he definitely couldn’t do anything bad” - a very stupid user

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


"the judge would take it into consideration"

Snake.
June 16th 2020
22272 Comments


this is probably the biggest user self-implosion i've ever seen on sput lmfao omg

why the fuck is it so hard for shitty men to believe survivors

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


to spare us the arguments: he's gonna say that he's not doubting the survivors, but wants to give austin a fair chance, the dude's also been spotted doing good things at times (?), idk

give it a rest buddy, you're not getting anywhere, is it really worth the effort?

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


like, even if you had a point, is this really your audience?

Snake.
June 16th 2020
22272 Comments


also the guy hasn't been in the band for four years, neither the fans nor the fucking current members give a shit what will happen next

if you're trying to say that you're for reformative justice you're doing a really really bad job at it

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


believing in rehabilitation is nice, but rehabilitation without justice at all sounds... odd to me, idk

Keyblade
June 16th 2020
29283 Comments


"Text messages, voice memos, police reports, for christ sakes he's toured with bands for a decade so witnesses would be cool"

don't see how that's any more credible than the testimony of 15 different ppl apart from the fact that we conveniently don't have these things at the moment

vult
June 16th 2020
234 Comments


jesus christ this thread :o

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 16th 2020
26856 Comments


"It's disturbing the lack of self defense he is getting, I understand 15 is a whopping number, but as easy as it is to accuse him, the easier it is in this society for the lack of punishment of false accusers. Like I said, send me links to their stories. I'd be more than happy to look at them"

what would be the benefits to falsely accusing a d-list ex-metalcore vocalist like austin, you absolute traffic cone?

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


ending the collective torture that is his music career

Keyblade
June 16th 2020
29283 Comments


15 ppl got together to ruin the career of some dude who already retired from music, this makes perfect sense

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 16th 2020
26856 Comments


it's already over! he's resigned from d-list metalcore vocalist to a-tier costa rica residing preacher weirdo or some shit

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


"who already retired from music"

wasn't retired when the allegations were first made

"a-tier costa rica residing preacher weirdo"

that's... even worse

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 16th 2020
26856 Comments


"wasn't retired when the allegations were first made"

that's true, but still doesn't change the fact nobody was after this man b/c they thought they would get some kind of significant financial payment/iota of clout from accusing him

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


agreed

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


...and even if it was about clout, it makes no sense to make it resurface after so many years, since the dude is irrelevant now

Ryus
June 16th 2020
19360 Comments


nah hes a good guy he does acts of kindness bro dont you understand this makes no sense

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 16th 2020
26856 Comments


c'mon guys he signed my suddenly came suddenly poster in '09, he's a real stand up guy

Asdfp277
June 16th 2020
22797 Comments


judges take that into consideration

vult
June 16th 2020
234 Comments


"The defendant, Mr. Carlisle, has no proven history of violent behavior, loves kids, and has ties to the community through his assistance in the invention of crabcore. Therefore, we believe that these charges are baseless."

vult
June 16th 2020
234 Comments


If he is officially charged, i hope the charges stick stickly.

MarineBiologist
June 16th 2020
2 Comments


"He's saved countless lives according to unverifiable internet posts, your honor, which we all know is indisputable admissible evidence."

Devastator
June 17th 2020
4056 Comments


“Through a large combing of YouTube comments we’ve found that the defendants lyrics have spoken and resonated with a large number of users. As you know anything on the internet is true so the defendant must be a great guy. We consider this an open and shut case your honor.”

TheGreatQ
June 17th 2020
2943 Comments


Guys stop he’s already dead

ShadowRemains
June 17th 2020
25495 Comments


so is thatbandsucks snide or

Devastator
June 17th 2020
4056 Comments


I’d like to think he is but we’ll probably never know.

On a side note I’m surprised snide never came back. I was so sure he would returning to promote another 37 albums.

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


"Accused' let's treat him as guilty until proven innocent

botb
June 17th 2020
13932 Comments


oh boy here we go again

Keyblade
June 17th 2020
29283 Comments


there's no need for that he's already been proven innocent after footage surfaced of him donating to a food bank

Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


lmao

Asdfp277
June 17th 2020
22797 Comments


i know it's a joke but we don't even have that footage

KenboSlice
June 17th 2020
3558 Comments


He said hi to me once at Warped he truly is a good person

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol I just don't get why people immediately condemn others with zero evidence. People are wrongfully accused of shit all the time

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


Always gyro

Sinternet
June 17th 2020
22696 Comments


gyro desperately posturing for the time when he tards out and rapes some girl and needs an excuse

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


What if it happened to you. What if you were accused of something like this and everyone immediately judged you for it? Bet your ass you'd be whining that it's unfair

Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


yeah itd be super unfair if i got judged for 15 different women accusing me of something

Kompys2000
June 17th 2020
4283 Comments


Gyro rollin up itt with some galaxy-brained takes as per usual

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSmSKUazew

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


Why do you keep coming back

Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


It's alarming how everyone is so quick to sever this man's head on a silver platter. This is the first time I ever heard a bad thing about Austin. So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


Needed to know when the release date for the new Static X album is

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


Considering there are 3 "Nu-Metal" albums by only 2 bands in my 5's, you're really grasping at straws. Perhaps you should grasp that left click on the log out button.

Sinternet
June 17th 2020
22696 Comments


the thing is gyro is that i don't prey on underage girls and get a reputation for being extremely sketchy well before this came to light, that you think 15 people would just randomly come out with similar stories based on no previous understanding is rather telling of your inability to read logically into situations without being blinded by ill-placed emotional reactions, as has been demonstrated numerous times by now. perhaps this is paranoia inflicted from some personal actions maybe? what dark skeletons have you got hiding in your closet

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


thatbandsucks is just a gyro alt under the guise of snide-isms

KenboSlice
June 17th 2020
3558 Comments


Remember how Snide still listened to BOTDF even though Dahvie assaulted a person he personally knows?

WritingOnTheWalls
June 17th 2020
23 Comments


YDG'n

Keyblade
June 17th 2020
29283 Comments


whattt

them crunkcore beats were hitting that hard huh

KenboSlice
June 17th 2020
3558 Comments


Yeah his logic was "Jayy Von Monroe" is why he enjoys them

But like, still

Kompys2000
June 17th 2020
4283 Comments


Of all the sput users Snide was without a doubt one of them

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


"Considering there are 3 "Nu-Metal" albums by only 2 bands in my 5's, you're really grasping at straws. Perhaps you should grasp that left click on the log out button."

I'm sorry but if your counter argument to him is to attack his taste in music then what's the point in anyone debating with you?

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol Sinternet musicians have been accused so many times in the past. Not a blemish on their record and rhen someone comes forward and then, oh wow, more and more people come forward. It's because they all suddenly got the courage to do so, right? No way could it be an easy target to make some quick $. Maybd the guy is guilty as fuck, I'm just remarking on Sputnik users' general mindset of "guilty until proven innocent"

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


lmao

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


yeah, I believe his opening argument to me was "just admit you hate women, incel" so maybe criticizing my music taste was a better strategy

Keyblade
June 17th 2020
29283 Comments


gonna go after a piece of that costa rican youth baseball coach salary and then split it 15 ways. easy money

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


little side note, if you want this story to have the slightest validity, then fix the links in the article to where it doesn't send you to the middle of nowhere

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


"I'm sorry but if your counter argument to him is to attack his taste in music then what's the point in anyone debating with you?"

Did you even read anything before that, or did you use selectivism like you always do? Glad to see that you're still a piece of shit as well.

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


"yeah, I believe his opening argument to me was "just admit you hate women, incel" so maybe criticizing my music taste was a better strategy"

Well, you also never refuted it as well. So...

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Cry harder

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


You can't refute an insult you dipshit. Are you 12?

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


you can refute anything if you can provide a substantive basis, so if you're struggling with that one semantics aren't exactly your top priority :]


Digging: Boris - Urban Dance

Thalassic
June 17th 2020
4973 Comments


Austin is not a rapist! I've seen pictures of him signing autographs!

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


I mean is there a reason to engage petulant children like coldheaven when they literally just throw out insults any time you disagree with them?

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


"Not a blemish on their record and rhen someone comes forward and then, oh wow, more and more people come forward. It's because they all suddenly got the courage to do so, right? No way could it be an easy target to make some quick $"

also i hope you have a dog bc i wanna mix this level of contrarianism into its food until it dies of blood poisoning or whatever and time whether this takes longer or shorter than it does for society to realise that these accusations are humiliating and socially disadvantageous to make *regardless of their persumed veracity*

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


You want to kill my dog. Gotcha.

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


"I mean is there a reason to engage petulant children like coldheaven when they literally just throw out insults any time you disagree with them?"

It's not an insult when it's fact. You've proven yourself time and time again that you're in the upper echelon of shitstains.

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol how can you claim that's humiliating after writing something that nonsensical

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


i'm pretty sure i've disagreed with coldheaven in plenty of threads (not sure how vocally) and have never once been insulted so, uh, i guess that's a refutation?

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


gyro have you ever read about the experience of proven sexual assault survivors making accusations or, better still, met any irl? it ain't the kinda stuff that invites Acktual Motivation armchair conjecture

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


BREAKING: Gyro ambiguously confirms one of carlile's accusers to be georgia maq; decides now is the time to throw his hat into the incel fire 300 comments deep into a sputnikmusic thread

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


I know people who are victims of rape, and I know 1 person who was accused of rape which was found to be a lie. Point is I tell people to be more objective. People like colsheaven who can't think for themselves get into this witch hunt mentality any time someone disagrees with the general consensus or doesn't immediately crucify someone who's been accused of something which sets a dangerous precedent. If everyone thought like that guy anecdotal evidence would be accepted as fact

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


well gyro how do you know those people aren't just lying to you? were you there? do you have proof?

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


ok, but the only objective claim anyone can really make on these is that there is a systemic disadvantage against those reporting rape cases, both in terms of action on the part of the justice dept and in terms of media exposure, especially since right-leaning outlets pander to largely false narratives such as your $ insinuation. not sure how you can type out "Point is I tell people to be more objective" with a straight face off the back of that

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/table-25



Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


Gyro is on to something here, all 15 of these witches are going through this humiliating process so they can strike the big chedz. Austin Carliles massive networth makes him easy prey, if they took him for every penny and split it 15 ways they could make almost 70 grand each! They'll never have to work another day in their next 12 months!

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


"and I know 1 person who was accused of rape which was found to be a lie"

By 15 people?

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


Also you do know that he isnt guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the law right? So all this whining is literally just about the fact that having 15 people accuse you of rape is a bad look.

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


bro the only way that you can truly stand behind your sociopathic point of view whilst claiming to know rape survivors is if YOU are their rapist


you can't just cherrypick which survivors to believe

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


are this band good enough for the dude to get a reduced sentence in consideration of his future prospects?

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol are you fucking kidding me? This shit explodes in the media any time there's a case that goes to trial and everyone already has their mind made up before any evidence is presented, if any can be. And that's another thing: lack of evidence in most cases + no priors... Is that a failing on the justice department? Are you suggesting they lock them up regardless?

And like I said guy might be guilty af, I just know any time anything like this comes up on Sputnik the hivemind mentality is "burn the fucker"

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


are you implying that exploding in the media either entails a positive experience for the accuser or a historical precedented feeling of sympathy in courts?

please explain why you expect the mechanics of consent to be reliably evidenced in a way transparently comprehensible to any jury in the same way as, say, a robbery caught on cctv.

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


gyro lemme put this into terms that you might better understand


if you're browsing through restaurants on yelp and you find one that has FIFTEEN reviews that claim they've had mold in their food but they didn't take any pictures of the mold, would you still go to that restaurant?

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


The real Epstein conspiracy is that all 200+ girls just wanted his money amirite gyro

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


Also just so you know people on the internet deciding someone is "guilty" of being a creep isnt a court ruling

DoctorSpaceman
June 17th 2020
14 Comments


burn the fucker [2]

Digging: The Lawrence Arms - Skeleton Coast

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


Rip his dick off and make gyro eat it

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


yea

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Jesus christ talking to you is tedious. "the mechanics of consent to be reliably evidenced in a way transparently comprehensible" do you have to word everything in the most obnoxiously verbose way? I swear you weren't like this before you got your staff tag, or maybe I'm just failing to recollect properly. I think what I'm implying is pretty simple to grasp: no matter the outcome of a trial, it is always bad for the male. Winning is still losing when it comes to false allegations because by that point the media already has their preconceived notions about who you really are. Obviously it's important to take these things seriously but it's also important to stay scientific and see what the evidence says. If there is no evidence, then not really sure what should happen but obviously you can't charge someone for something without tangible proof.

DoctorSpaceman
June 17th 2020
14 Comments


Rip his dick off and make let gyro eat it

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


"Also just so you know people on the internet deciding someone is "guilty" of being a creep isnt a court ruling"

No shit, but again, shitty thing to do

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


johnny use the big words :[[[

Thalassic
June 17th 2020
4973 Comments


I already wanted to burn the fucker for his terrible vocals tbh


Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol I mean that sentence he wrote made little to no sense

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


it doesn't if you have over a grade 12 level of vocabulary

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


"I swear you weren't like this before you got your staff tag, or maybe I'm just failing to recollect properly"

please feel free to reread literally anything i wrote pre-staff (either or comments or revs), or to suggest an equally clear or more succinct phrasing. i would have used the same phrasing if this were an irl conversation. if anyone else wants to take issue this this, please feel free to weigh in (and please do! preferably in my shoutbox or some thread because lol that derailment i can't even).

"Winning is still losing when it comes to false allegations because by that point the media already has their preconceived notions about who you really are"

yes men carrying a stigma because they could plausibly have been rapists (especially plausibly because of the widely known farce of conviction rates) is definitely worse than sexual assaults survivors being failed by justice systems across the world jfc i'm choking on apologism fumes here. yes, the prospect of stigma for those falsely accused is not a non-issue (i also know people affected by this) but this in large part a reaction of distrust against justice system's repeatedly evidenced incapability to deal seriously with sexual assault and the fact that you are actively choosing to focus on the former while all but dismissing the latter entirely speaks for itself.

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol I'm an editor and teach English across seas. That passage was pretentious and said basically nothing. And no fking way you talk like that irl lmao. Nobody is that tedious and non-conversational

Anyway, what would you have them do? Should the accused juat be arrested and sentenced to jail time? I mean if the evidence isn't there then what's the solution? Since you seem to think the justice system is incompetent

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


"you can refute anything if you can provide a substantive basis, so if you're struggling with that one semantics aren't exactly your top priority :]"

Insults are a pretty simple text book fallacy. You would be a complete moron to even entertain the idea that I should legitimately respond to every stupid embarrassing reply that stemmed from the fucking idiot that is coldheaven

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


i also teach english across seas and you sure as hell ain't editing any of my work if you brand select phrasing as pretentious whenever it pertains to a point you have clearly missed (would appreciate someone else filling in on whether or not what i meant by 'mechanics of consent' etc was clearly understandable - more than happy to expand if no)

"Should the accused juat be arrested and sentenced to jail time?"

no, but accusers should be afforded an uncynical measure of credence because conviction odds are steeply against them and, yknow, basic human decency

"Insults are a pretty simple text book fallacy"

big difference no smoke without fire and wishy washy mudslinging. if you've never heard a weighted/substantiated insult, that's on you.

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


"gyro have you ever read about the experience of proven sexual assault survivors making accusations or, better still, met any irl? it ain't the kinda stuff that invites Acktual Motivation armchair conjecture"

as fucking incoherent as this sentence is, are you actually suggesting that there has never been one proven false accusation in history?


JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


in what way did i insinuate that

+ if you understood that sentence then it, uh, isn't incoherent by definition lmao

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


It's your entire argument

Ziggity
June 17th 2020
878 Comments


Gyro bringing this thread back from the dead, shits poppin again.

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Lol so because it's hard to convict we should give them the benefit of the doubt and put someone on blast? Obviously they need to be listened to and taken seriously, but if there's no tangible evidence and the accuser has zero record of anything of the sort and the decision is made to throw the case out. Basically these things shouldn't explode in the media unless there's a real solid case with evidence against the accused.

And okay here we go: so you're basically asking why I think there needs to be tangible evidence to present in court, right? That consent needs to be proveable (which I never said)

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


I mean does nobody defending him find it odd that he hasn't refuted any of the accusations

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


I'm not defending this guy. Like I said he could have done it w.e,

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


"please explain why you expect the mechanics of consent to be reliably evidenced in a way transparently comprehensible to any jury in the same way as, say, a robbery caught on cctv."

lmao this sentence alone contradicts your stupid dogmatic bullshit ideology.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


"It's your entire argument"

please summarise in detail how:

a) that is my argument
b) the bearing one (or more) proven false accusations has on credible accusations and your opinion on the expedient ratio between the two
c) what you consider a credible accusation
d) the precedented reception of what you consider a credible accusation within your justice system (or that of any western country)

not even going to apologise for being a patronising cunt here - i strongly disagree with gyro and his perspective/bitterness but i wouldn't question his intelligence. please give me a reason to take you seriously.

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


"Obviously they need to be listened to and taken seriously, but if there's no tangible evidence and the accuser has zero record of anything of the sort and the decision is made to throw the case out."

i'm going to ask again because you completely avoided the question the first time: do all of those rape survivors that you know actually have tangible evidence? because even if there's only one that doesn't it's completely contradictory to everything that you've been saying

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


btw there is not 15 accusers. There is 1 accuser named caitlyn claiming that there are 14 more. She hasn't even made her story public yet. All of the evidence is just a twitter shitshow.

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


"You would be a complete moron to even entertain the idea that I should legitimately respond to every stupid embarrassing reply that stemmed from the fucking idiot that is coldheaven"

You've only embarrassed yourself itt. You know what though? I actually AM embarrassed that I went on so long with you. It was immature of me as a grown man to go back and forth with a little boy still sucking on mommy's tit. I'll admit my faults, now admit you hate women, you incel fuck.

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


lmao

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


"you're basically asking why I think there needs to be tangible evidence to present in court, right?"

not quite - how do you unambiguously prove that two people's ideas of consent were problematically at odds with one another in court? just proving that a sexual encounter took place is one thing; proving consent/lack of is never going to fit easily into the same framework of evidence that you'd associate with most cases. and sure, you never said that consent needs to be provable, but isn't that kind of key to the references to evidence you've been making? what else would that entail?

"lmao this sentence alone contradicts your stupid dogmatic bullshit ideology."

gonna add question e) pinpoint and define my dogmatic bullshit ideology in clear terms

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Snake: some have had proof, some haven't. Doesn't contradict shit. I'm saying you can't convict with no evidence. One of my female friends confessed to me years ago that the claims she made were grossly exaggerated. People lie, sometimes justice isn't doled out and sometimes it is, but I certainly am not on board with the "guilty until proven innocent" mob mentality

conesmoke
June 17th 2020
6377 Comments


I'm not surprised by the hype or by the charges. Of mice and men fucking suck

Thalassic
June 17th 2020
4973 Comments


All I know is, serious smoke often means fire.
And 15 allegations is a whole lot of smoke

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


"unambiguously"
jesus christ how can anyone take you seriously?

parksungjoon
June 17th 2020
21491 Comments


who the fuck is this 60 post cretin

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


So, basically what I was asking you. How do you prove it? Sometimes you can't, sometimes it's a he said/she said scenario and that sucks ass but you sure as hell can't convict on a person's say-so. But going back to the phrasing. You don't think "please explain why you expect the mechanics of consent to be reliably evidenced in a way transparently comprehensible to any jury in the same way as, say, a robbery caught on cctv." Is a kind of retarded way of saying "how do you prove 2 people's ideas of consent were at odds with each other"? Realllllly tho?

conesmoke
June 17th 2020
6377 Comments


Lol I love the use of the word cretin

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


Haha wait so there aren't even 15 allegations in this instance? There's just 1 that purportedly knows of 15 others?

Thalassic
June 17th 2020
4973 Comments


He wrote;

5.0 classic
Bullet For My Valentine The Poison
One of the most important albums in the history of metal. The only album I can think of to pioneer metalcore to unprecedented heights while simultaneously being the most conservative metal album of all time. Also, pushing the envelope to even more angst and pure energy in the rock world.


That's all you need to know really

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


Imagine thinking you can't take somebody serious because they used the word unambiguously. What is it about threads like this that bring out these sub 100 comment users that think they're hot shit defending these pieces of shit

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


""unambiguously"
jesus christ how can anyone take you seriously?"

bIg WoRdS oH nO

conesmoke
June 17th 2020
6377 Comments


Jeeeeez, what a bunch of 'cretins' hehe

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


“I’m not defending this guy.”

can we just talk about how saying this does nothing for your argument

like literally no one is asking for your opinion, you’re not obligated to go to bat for someone you claim to not even be defending

go huff your own farts on other website plz

Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


still wanna hear why thatbandsucks thinks he couldnt have done it because hes been seen saving cats from trees and helping old ladies cross the street or something

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


"but you sure as hell can't convict on a person's say-so"

of course not - i agree that concretely proving rape in court with what you'd consider evidence is a tricky issue, but on that basis i think it's cheap and negligent to shrug off these cases as "People lie, sometimes justice isn't doled out and sometimes it is." it's more complicated this, and precisely because these cases are so thorny for our legal systems i think it's important to pay them special attention rather than shrugging them off as problematic re. evidence. this includes taking accusers in good faith because rejecting "guilty until proven innocent" is equally applicable to the consideration of whether or not they are lying or distorting.

re. phrasing i'd probs go with the latter in most cases and i guess view it as a redraft/refinement of the former. both are equally clear to me in their substance and i don't regret the former. this discussion is taking enough time as is, and i haven't been particularly fussy with my phrasing as long as i'm vaguely satisfied that it gets my points across clearly - if you feel that's a lack of effort on my part, i apologise

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


""unambiguously"
jesus christ how can anyone take you seriously?"

go lock eyes with yourself in a mirror and say that word in one breath, i hope the polysyllables give you hiccups

thatbandsucks
June 17th 2020
67 Comments


there were so many other words you could have used than that. It's literally just a ruse to make yourself sound interesting which is what gyro called you out on earlier.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


i get that you obviously have a low opinion of me, but i'm not enough of a monster to use a sexual assault discussion as a platform to make myself sound interesting.

if unambiguous seems like a weird word, that's on you. go eat a dictionary, or whatever.

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


wahhh johnny use more than two syllable words :'[[[

Satellite
June 17th 2020
26429 Comments


word man bad

Ziggity
June 17th 2020
878 Comments


I don’t think that’s true my man

parksungjoon
June 17th 2020
21491 Comments


again, disclose your identity

Keyblade
June 17th 2020
29283 Comments


dudes in here typing like lawyers but cant handle the word unambiguously lol

Satellite
June 17th 2020
26429 Comments


it's really fucking odd that you remember how many ratings a specific user had last year, and odder yet that it matters to you.

also you're unambiguously a coward for doing this from an alt.

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


I hit 1k ratings two years ago but go off king

Ziggity
June 17th 2020
878 Comments


Hey steak I think thatbandsucks has a crush on you, they be keepin tabs on ya.

Keyblade
June 17th 2020
29283 Comments


I remember clearly when you were just a wee tot with a mere centenary of ratings but now you purport to be a man with large gonads, it does not compute

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
June 17th 2020
27119 Comments


i murdered steak's family so i wouldn't have to compete with how much they loved him :]

Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


this would be really awkward if steaks family actually got murdered

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


My family would probably hate me if I went to bat for a rapist certainly

Satellite
June 17th 2020
26429 Comments


"centenary"
jesus christ how can anyone take you seriously?

vult
June 17th 2020
234 Comments


"You guys can continue to shit on me all you want because the only thing you guys are capable of doing is dishing out ad hominems" - thatbandsucks earlier in the thread

"shut the fuck up, Steak. I remember last year when you had a little over a 100 ratings and now you have 1391? As if those are genuine. The only reason you're on this site is because you need somewhere to fit in because your family probably hates you lol" - thatbandsucks a few posts ago

*cue Curb Your Enthusiasm theme*

Also, if you find unambiguously to be a complicated word, then you should never find yourself in a conversation that is complicated. the fact that thatbandsucks chooses this hill to die on is actually sad. i think his statement of "you need somewhere to fit in" really reflects and projects his own self.

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


lmfao

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


Howdy, steakyboi

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


Hey coldy how you doin on this fine day :]

Snake.
June 17th 2020
22272 Comments


"dudes in here typing like lawyers but cant handle the word unambiguously lol"

hating women really does make you vulnerable enough to scramble for excuses to win an argument

coldheaven
June 17th 2020
5329 Comments


It’s stormy here today, steakyboi. It isn’t quite fine. However, seeing these fuckboi users getting shit on is pretty fine in my book.

SteakByrnes
June 17th 2020
19932 Comments


Damn it's a scorcher here today, not a cloud in the sky boi

Darius The Imposter
June 17th 2020
22366 Comments


"*cue Curb Your Enthusiasm theme*"

lmao same thing ran through my head when i read that shit

has the average iq of the user base gone down or are the stupids simply more eager to show themselves these days?

Satellite
June 17th 2020
26429 Comments


yes

Kompys2000
June 17th 2020
4283 Comments


It's such a quintessential Gyro move to spend dozens of comments whatabouting and nitpicking everyone whose reaction to this news is "wow fuck that guy" and then claim he's not defending him

Really maintaining that unbroken streak of painfully dumb takes with aplomb

KenboSlice
June 17th 2020
3558 Comments


Wait thatbandsucks can't be Snide if he 5'd BFMV. It's gotta be a deathbat alt

botb
June 17th 2020
13932 Comments


This is still goin huh

SitarHero
Contributing Reviewer
June 17th 2020
12042 Comments


"If he is officially charged, i hope the charges stick stickly."

Why are the rest of you still bickering on here when that comment clearly should have been /thread ?

Sinternet
June 17th 2020
22696 Comments


"It's gotta be a deathbat alt"

interesting point

Asdfp277
June 17th 2020
22797 Comments


ok i don't wanna revive this but how on earth is "unambiguously" an odd word

like, i barely speak english myself and i know that word

highandtight
June 17th 2020
179 Comments


they don't take kindly to book-learnin' where thatbandsucks is from.

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


"I remember clearly when you were just a wee tot with a mere centenary of ratings but now you purport to be a man with large gonads, it does not compute"

Holy fuck I love you keyblade

highandtight
June 17th 2020
179 Comments


someday i'll have enough ratings for my parents to be proud of me.

Asdfp277
June 17th 2020
22797 Comments


how many would that be

;-;

Lord(e)Po)))ts
June 17th 2020
57547 Comments


Un-am-burgulurs-lee


Ryus
June 17th 2020
19360 Comments


good thread

vult
June 17th 2020
234 Comments


SitarHero I agree my comment should have been the end of this. I appreciate that you liked the post

Gyromania
June 17th 2020
30214 Comments


"It's such a quintessential Gyro move to spend dozens of comments whatabouting and nitpicking everyone whose reaction to this news is "wow fuck that guy" and then claim he's not defending him

Really maintaining that unbroken streak of painfully dumb takes with aplomb"

Speaking of painfully dumb, you are aware that not defending isn't tantamount to condemning, right? Becausue your entire insult kind of falls on its ass when you don't omit context from the equation


Sinternet
June 17th 2020
22696 Comments


no one on this site likes you gyro, just give up already

parksungjoon
June 17th 2020
21491 Comments


> you are aware that not defending isn't tantamount to condemning, right

dude i know right

real intellectuals know that the answer to any given issue or debate lies exactly, squarely in the middle, as that is the fair, reasonable, rational position to take

anyone who sways even slightly to either side is uneducated

sexilexi
June 17th 2020
137 Comments


cancel metalcore

JayEnder
June 17th 2020
7609 Comments


Holy fuck, this thread practically doubled in comments. What kind of shitshow happened here?

Gyromania
June 18th 2020
30214 Comments


parks: another solid example of missing the point. The point is: don't just automatically judge every case before it goes to trial. It's not about being in the middle, it's about not pretending like you know more than you do to satisfy your hate-boner

KenboSlice
June 18th 2020
3558 Comments


Gyro this shit is old news, anyone who has been part of the scene knows Austin has always been a piece of shit.

He was literally kicked out of AA! for fucking underage girls.

heck
June 18th 2020
4738 Comments


100% gyro rapes underage girls

SitarHero
Contributing Reviewer
June 18th 2020
12042 Comments


"SitarHero I agree my comment should have been the end of this. I appreciate that you liked the post"

You, sir/ma'am/other, have won today's internet. Please enjoy responsibly.

Kompys2000
June 18th 2020
4283 Comments


But he hasn't literally been convicted in court so it's impossible to tell if he's guilty or not, cmon dude don't pretend like you know more than you do dude

Sinternet
June 18th 2020
22696 Comments


le redditor won le internet today! alas i have but one upboat to give, someone give him le mythical redditor gold for i am too poor

EDIT: thanks for le gold, and may the narwhal bacon at midnight

Asdfp277
June 18th 2020
22797 Comments


first time reading the narwhal part, what's that about

Sinternet
June 18th 2020
22696 Comments


clearly you are not a true redditor, normie

Asdfp277
June 18th 2020
22797 Comments


:[[[

unclereich
June 18th 2020
6302 Comments


no one on this site likes you gyro, just give up already



HAHAHAHAHA

Willie
Moderator
June 18th 2020
18809 Comments


https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-of-mice-men-vocalist-austin-carlile-responds-to-sexual-assault-accusations/

combustion07
June 18th 2020
6948 Comments


I got roofied by a member of a very popular metal band about a year ago. The drink was meant for a girl I'd been talking to that was planning to get on their bus. It's kind of terrifying thinking of how often they probably do that given they tour a ton. I will say that shit is STRONG. I have a long history of drug and alcohol abuse and that shit wiped me out so quick and really came out of nowhere

coldheaven
June 18th 2020
5329 Comments


"https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-of-mice-men-vocalist-austin-carlile-responds-to-sexual-assault-accusations/"

Here we go again

coldheaven
June 18th 2020
5329 Comments


"I have spent years surrendering my flesh over to God, allowing Him to constantly improve who I am as a man, husband, and father."

Straight up fuck offfffffffff

Snake.
June 18th 2020
22272 Comments


both he and FPS are from ohio this is a really bad look

coldheaven
June 18th 2020
5329 Comments


FPS is dogshit as well

botb
June 18th 2020
13932 Comments


We get it gyro you have been at the very least accused of rape

highandtight
June 18th 2020
179 Comments


gyro would definitely demand proof if one of his friends (i know it's a stretch to assume they exist) or family members confided to him that they had been sexually assaulted.

highandtight
June 18th 2020
179 Comments


"I am not a perfect person: I smoked marijuana daily..."

holy shit fuck off

vult
June 18th 2020
234 Comments


I hate the term "born-again Christian" because it can be used as an excuse for their past behavior and can be an attempt to absolve all responsibilities for wrongdoings. Just because you decided to worship ancient text doesn't mean you are automatically a good person or should be forgiven.

Also dragging his wife into it and publicly outing her as a molestation/rape survivor is actually a disgusting deflection mechanism. Even if those things were known to some, discussing that during your denial of your own rape allegations is actually vile.

Thalassic
June 18th 2020
4973 Comments


"I have spent years surrendering my flesh over to God"

LMFAO

rickeyhenderson
June 18th 2020
40 Comments


Born-agains are nearly universally some of the most insufferable people out there.

Keyblade
June 18th 2020
29283 Comments


I may have consumed the devil's herb but I'll tell you hwhat I surely did not violate anybody

Ryus
June 18th 2020
19360 Comments


he may be god fearin but hes not rape fearin!

Kompys2000
June 18th 2020
4283 Comments


That scene in renegade angel where the businessman screams "I ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR YES MADE IT" right before getting incinerated

vult
June 18th 2020
234 Comments


"I have spent years surrendering my flesh over to God"

I hope he gave consent

Keyblade
June 18th 2020
29283 Comments


Gyro, throwing his hands up: "they're even accusing God Almighty now, what is this world coming to?"

ConcubinaryCode
June 18th 2020
5420 Comments


Lol good thread

Kurai
June 18th 2020
415 Comments


Someone’s now come forward about Fronz from Atilla...

Warpedcore was/is trash

SowingSeason
Moderator
June 18th 2020
35188 Comments


"I hate the term "born-again Christian" because it can be used as an excuse for their past behavior and can be an attempt to absolve all responsibilities for wrongdoings. Just because you decided to worship ancient text doesn't mean you are automatically a good person or should be forgiven."

I agree with this 100%, it excuses nothing. People who hide behind religion to commit crimes, especially of a sexual nature, are despicable. If worshiping ancient text helps someone become a better person/stop raping people though, then I'm all for it - I don't care if they said they found God or they found Mickey Mouse, as long as it points them in the right direction. He should still be charged all the same though and convicted for his past offenses, if there's evidence.

Digging: Phoebe Bridgers - Punisher

JesperL
June 18th 2020
1103 Comments


somehow fronz is even less surprising

SteakByrnes
June 18th 2020
19932 Comments


Not surprised in the slightest about Fronz

Kompys2000
June 18th 2020
4283 Comments


I would be way more surprised if someone came forward saying Fronzie had ever had anything approaching a consensual sexual encounter

Keyblade
June 18th 2020
29283 Comments


u guys know ur not allowed to have these opinions until hard evidence is presented right

Ryus
June 18th 2020
19360 Comments


“That scene in renegade angel where the businessman screams "I ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR YES MADE IT" right before getting incinerated“

lol amazing scene i forgot about that

ConcubinaryCode
June 18th 2020
5420 Comments


Surrendering your flesh to God. Godflesh if you will.

botb
June 18th 2020
13932 Comments


Fronz is among the biggest pieces of shit I have ever had the displeasure of being around and if he goes down I am legitimately stoked about it

vult
June 18th 2020
234 Comments


B-b-but he was on MTV’s Made

thatbandsucks
June 18th 2020
67 Comments


It's time to burn this fucker to the ground...

Austin's accusations have been "investigated by the appropriate authorities as well as independent journalists and were determined to be unfounded."

Caitlyn's story was "corroborated by her husband. "



Thalassic
June 18th 2020
4973 Comments


"Austin's accusations have been "investigated by the appropriate authorities as well as independent journalists and were determined to be unfounded."

And the source for this quote is: the man himself lmao
Of course this is a valid source, after all he has spent years surrendering his flesh over to God

JesperL
June 18th 2020
1103 Comments


aight so just cause a white guy says something you believe it but when 15 women say something it's like nahhh let's not take their word for it need evidence also white guy thinks he's jesus so uh

but agreed let's burn this fucker to the ground, with the fucker in question being austin

Snake.
June 18th 2020
22272 Comments


can we re-open moaropeth just for this thread plz there's a lot of good shit here

TheSpirit
Contributing Reviewer
June 18th 2020
26856 Comments


I would just like to drop this article from 2010 here, where his (former) AA! bandmates were interviewed and admitted to witnessing Austin's fucking around w/underage girls.

http://underthegunreview.net/2010/04/03/attackattackcarlilesomemore/?fbclid=IwAR0z6DJGkucLtiM6rZnqF9Tf5GnyYLQBm3EYnqmmU4GgUa25Bc3FjO6lR54

highandtight
June 18th 2020
179 Comments


"I think the past is the past just let it go everyone is not perfect I mean people make mistakes you just have to forgive and forget and if you don't your stuck in the past and hatered I love both bands but it in the past now I mean just let it go that my opinion . "

one of the comments on that post (possibly a young gyro but that's conjecture on my part). kill your idols, kids.

Ziggity
June 18th 2020
878 Comments


My god the comments on that article lol.

highandtight
June 18th 2020
179 Comments


"Ur guys nothing but straight up ass holes, ik austin isnt like that! Hes they niceist guy ever! U dont need to talk shit about him cuz he made a bigger and better band then u guys..."

dfevil085
June 18th 2020
1534 Comments


Imagine trying to argue from the moral high ground while defending an "'""""alleged""'""" rapist in the name of objectivity.

Asdfp277
June 18th 2020
22797 Comments


"These accusations have been investigated by the appropriate authorities as well as independent journalists and were determined to be unfounded."

[Citation Needed]

botb
June 19th 2020
13932 Comments


Imagine having any faith in the justice system

unclereich
June 19th 2020
6302 Comments


sounds like he and Chris D'Elia would be good pals

elliootsmeuth
June 20th 2020
3995 Comments


Haven't been on the site in a week or so and this is the first thing I see. Good to be back



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