Why Alice left Crystal Castles

2017-10-24 by SweeneyTodd | 266 Comments
[Trigger Warning.]

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Alice Glass has finally spoken out about why she left Crystal Castles.

"Some of you may be aware that I’ve opened up about my experiences with abuse in the past. I’ve been very guarded about the information I’ve given and I haven’t publicly named names—because I’ve been afraid. I’ve been threatened and harassed and as a result, out of fear, I’ve been silenced.

The momentum that’s been created recently by the many courageous women who have opened up about their own stories has inspired me to finally be more direct, at whatever cost. This is for my own recovery, for the other women who have been, are currently, or may be in a similar situation with the man who abused me for years, and for those in abusive relationships who are looking to stand up and speak out.

I met “Ethan Kath” (Claudio Palmieri) when I was in the 10th grade. The first time he took advantage of me was when I was around 15. He was 10 years older than me. I came to in the back of his car extremely intoxicated (from drinks he had given me that night). We didn’t talk for months after that. He went to great lengths to find me again, stalking me and driving past my high school looking for me.

He tracked me down and showed up places I was hanging out and we eventually reconnected. I was very young and naive and in a compromised position in my life. I perceived him as a local rock star because I had seen his band, Kill Cheerleader, on TV. A lot of my friends from the punk scene had also been taken advantage of by much older men, so to me, it was a situation that had been normalized.

Claudio was very manipulative towards me. He figured out my insecurities and exploited them: he used the things he learned about me against me. Over a period of many months, he gave me drugs and alcohol and had sex with me in an abandoned room at an apartment he managed. It wasn’t always consensual and he remained sober whenever we were together.

When I was 16 or 17 he gave me a CD of songs and asked me to write and sing over them. I took the songs home and wrote lyrics and melodies and we recorded the tracks I liked. But even with music, he created a toxic environment that I often felt I had to go along with. While recording our first EP, the recording engineer sexually harassed me while we were in the studio. Claudio laughed at me and pressured me to go along with it. He called our first single “Alice Practice” and said my vocals were a mic test. He concocted that story and told press it was an “accidental” recording, intentionally diminishing my role in its creation. It was another way of putting me down and preying on my insecurities.

Soon after, we were invited to tour the UK. I was overwhelmed by how quickly things were happening for us, and Claudio convinced me to drop out of high school only 2 credits away from graduation. As we started to gain attention, he began abusively and systematically targeting my insecurities and controlling my behavior: my eating habits, who I could talk to, where I could go, what I could say in public, what I was allowed to wear. He kept me from doing interviews or photoshoots unless he was in control of the situation. Our fame grew in Crystal Castles but he didn’t feel he was getting the recognition he thought he deserved.

He became physically abusive. He held me over a staircase and threatened to throw me down it. He picked me up over his shoulders and threw me onto concrete. He took pictures of my bruises and posted them online. I tried to leave, and he swore that it would never happen again, that he would never physically abuse me again. More severe psychological and emotional abuse took its place.

He controlled everything I did. I wasn’t allowed to have my own phone or my own credit card, he decided who my friends were, read through my private emails, restricted my access to social media, regulated everything I ate. He berated me and yelled at me, telling me that I was a joke, that all the people that came to our shows were only interested in his instrumentals and that I was ruining the band. He broke glass shower doors to frighten me, he locked me into rooms. He told me that my feminism made me a target for rapists and only he could protect me. He forced me to have sex with him or, he said, I wouldn’t be allowed to be in the band anymore.

I was miserable and my lyrics indirectly spoke to the pain and oppression that I was enduring. But as is sometimes the case in abusive relationships, his cruelty was often followed by kindness. He was very good at keeping his terrible treatment of me private. He was charming sometimes, he was hyper protective and most of all I loved the band we had together. But he often told me how replaceable I was. He’d even tell me that he was actively looking for someone to replace me. He kept me insecure and on edge, and then would tell me that he was the only one it the world that believed in me. He told me it was us against everyone, because everyone else thought I was a loser, a joke, a talentless dancing clown. I believed him. I was suicidal for years.

Leaving Crystal Castles was the single most difficult decision I’ve ever made—that band was everything to me. My music, my performances and my fans were all I had in the world. I gave that up and started over not because I wanted to but because I had to. As difficult as it was, I knew that leaving was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. It has taken me years to recover from enduring almost a decade of abuse, manipulation and psychological control. I am still recovering."

http://www.alice-glass.com/cc/

Tagged: Alice Glass

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SweeneyTodd
October 24th 2017
1474 Comments


fucked up over this, someone needs to reach out to Edith because from what I'm hearing she's being abused in a similar way

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literallyzach
October 24th 2017
460 Comments


this man is a fucking freak. i've always gotten really gross vibes from him and sad to see they weren't misplaced

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bloc
October 24th 2017
45220 Comments


Here we go

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TheSleepys
October 24th 2017
194 Comments


Damn. Alice is very brave to come out and talk about this. I hope she gets better. Ethan has probably or is trying to blacklist her. Fuck that guy.

DinosaurJones
October 24th 2017
6661 Comments


Jesus, that is fucked up, man.

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JeetJeet
October 24th 2017
4481 Comments


Yikes. Fuck Ethan.

SandwichBubble
October 24th 2017
4988 Comments


I know I'm gonna regret commenting here after this reaches 1000 comments, but this is harrowing

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Mort.
Contributing Reviewer
October 24th 2017
13359 Comments


what a fucking scumbag

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TheSleepys
October 24th 2017
194 Comments


Harvey Weinstein getting exposed has finally opened up a lot of honesty about abuse.

brainmelter
October 24th 2017
4730 Comments


here we go[2]

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Sniff
October 24th 2017
3976 Comments


Have alwyas thought the name of the Alice Practice EP was a bit harrowing.

hal1ax
October 24th 2017
9687 Comments


god dammit... seriously fuck that guy

good for Alice. hope she can bounce back from this..

Sinternet
October 24th 2017
15060 Comments


Well fuck that guy i guess

Good that she'sspeaking out, hope she's in a good place

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Pennywise_M
October 24th 2017
7467 Comments


Holy shit.

jtswope
October 24th 2017
5680 Comments


That's absolutely horrible.

And yeah the one good thing to come out of this Harvey stuff is that since more people are coming forward, fewer powerful men are going to get away with disgusting behavior and abuse like this.

RobertZDar
October 24th 2017
52 Comments


man, fuck ethan. alice is super courageous for posting this.

never trust a man who lies about his age.

PistolPete
October 24th 2017
4510 Comments


Wow.

VirtualBlaze
October 24th 2017
660 Comments


This is just really sad.

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TheCharmingMan
October 24th 2017
386 Comments


Fuck the music scene forever

Asdfp277
October 24th 2017
16133 Comments


let crystal castles end

hal1ax
October 24th 2017
9687 Comments


yea i hope ethan's career is irrevocably fucked after this

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


Has he had his say?

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zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


Would I fuck take his side but you have to have his account and furthermore the actual facts of this stuff.
Go to the police and serve real justice on the cunt don’t put a fucking update on Facebook or whatever about reasons why the band broke up.

Aerisavion
October 24th 2017
1278 Comments


This is really shitty. Major respect to her for finally getting out of the situation.

bach
October 24th 2017
15718 Comments


damn this band meant everything to me when i was younger. i hope alice gets the recognition she deserves. fuck julio or whatever his name is

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dfevil085
October 24th 2017
949 Comments


Holy shit.
yea i hope ethan's career is irrevocably fucked after this [2]

BlackwaterPork
October 24th 2017
2348 Comments


Piece of fucking shit

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LordePots
October 24th 2017
38566 Comments


Crystal castles sucks without here so guess its time to boycott this fuck

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NastyCrab
October 24th 2017
706 Comments


Dude sounds like a sociopath.

SweeneyTodd
October 24th 2017
1474 Comments


"Go to the police and serve real justice on the cunt don’t put a fucking update on Facebook or whatever about reasons why the band broke up. "

as someone who has been the victim of sexual abuse and physical abuse, not nearly to the degree of Alices ordeal but still, you couldn't sound more stupid. It simply is not that easy. The victim often feels guilty and afraid to go to the authorities, Alice was tortured into not getting away. I get where you're coming from, but it's just not that easy.


My main concern now is that Edith is suffering in the same way, people have said she's been seen crying on stage and Ethan's been shouting at her in front of the crowds.

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


No one is saying it’s easy. It’s hard and takes courage but ultimately putting up a post on the internet isn’t exactly the greatest way to throw allegations around without evidence.

hal1ax
October 24th 2017
9687 Comments


i get u zak but maybe this was just something really onerous that she needed to get off her chest. after years of repression , manipulation and turmoil, maybe she just needed to dip her toes in and promulgate her story to people over the internet. maybe hereafter she will feel more confident and take further measures.

Spluger
October 24th 2017
1810 Comments


Good luck to her in the future. Hopefully this will help her move on.

ArsMoriendi
October 24th 2017
22231 Comments


I mean she might still press charges, this could be just step one for her.

She might not either, but yeah

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LordePots
October 24th 2017
38566 Comments


zak shush.

SteakByrnes
October 24th 2017
5216 Comments


Goddamn this is terrible, some people are such cunts

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Nazzadan
October 24th 2017
1598 Comments


*busts in to thread out of breath*

HAS HE...

*wheeze*

HAD HIS

*falls flat on back*

SSSSsssaaay....

RobertZDar
October 24th 2017
52 Comments


someday a court-ordered psychiatrist is going to have a fucking field day with zakalwe.

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


That’s right.
Hear one side, have no evidence and condemn.

There are some serious allegations of rape here watered down to “leaving Crystal Castles was the single most difficult decision I’ve ever made”
Everything is based on emotion so all perspective is lost. She is making allegations of rape against someone who hasn’t given his side to any of this and for which we have no evidence.

Clearly there are issues here and ones that I have no doubt effected Alice but you can’t just kangaroo court this stuff on conjecture and unsubstantiated account.

I’ll be the first to say lock the bloke up for life if convicted.






kingdedethefifth
October 24th 2017
4622 Comments


Nazz I seriously fucking love you.
Also this man should be blasted with fucking tnt Jesus he sounds awful.

judasgoat
October 24th 2017
224 Comments


Jesus, this is fucked up.

"The first time he took advantage of me was when I was around 15. He was 10 years older than me."

If this is even slightly true, Ethan belongs in prison.

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


[Trigger Warning.]

lol'd

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pjorn
October 24th 2017
4300 Comments


man i keep writing shit up about the statistics of false rape accusations and how its an extremely small amount compared to the amount of women who are victims of sexual assault and that innocent men rarely ever are tried for rapes they didn't commit, but honestly zak you're just a retard dude, like for real. it's unrelenting dawg.

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silentstar
October 24th 2017
2506 Comments


why is it that every fucking time these stories come out (and they are rare), there is some asshole saying "oh no it's one-sided // what about the abuser // i don't believe her until the police proves it"

anyway, this is really fucked up and she has been hinting at this for a while ... really sucks to hear what she went thru =/

good to know she's recovering and has her solo material out though

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


serious question though, how do they determine how many of the rape allegations were false or true in those studies?

pjorn
October 24th 2017
4300 Comments


the number of false convictions is around 2% per FBI statistics, which i'm sure you can find their survey method somewhere on the internet. Per RAINN:

Sexual violence is notoriously difficult to measure, and there is no single source of data that provides a complete picture of the crime. On RAINN’s website, we have tried to select the most reliable source of statistics for each topic. The primary data source we use is the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is an annual study conducted by the Justice Department. To conduct NCVS, researchers interview tens of thousands of Americans each year to learn about crimes that they’ve experienced. Based on those interviews, the study provides estimates of the total number of crimes, including those that were not reported to police. While NCVS has a number of limitations (most importantly, children under age 12 are not included), overall, it is the most reliable source of crime statistics in the U.S.

Mordecai.
October 24th 2017
8361 Comments


zakalwe you are a real piece of shit

likeshad0ws
October 24th 2017
83 Comments


jesus christ. fuck ethan.

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


I am not for one minute saying that Alice is making false accusations. I’m just saying let’s not all jump into a kangaroo court and not let the man give his account.

In the UK rapes are investigated no matter what the allegation purports. Aliens from the planet Zeboor 9 has sex with me, will be classified as a rape and investigated.

Many are charged but yeah convictions do fall by the wayside because they have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt and unfortunately a lot of rapes are committed by partners, and people we know or are associated with. Evidence from the scene is lost because of allegations being historic, plausible accounts are given for DNA and so on.

The whole court system is based on evidence and burden of proof lying with the prosecution.
If everyone went to court on “he said this, she said that what one do you believe?” The whole system would collapse....unless you’re OJ Simpson.






Papa Universe
October 24th 2017
8727 Comments


It's as Crystal clear as a Glass now.

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hal1ax
October 24th 2017
9687 Comments


look at potential motives for faulty claims though. i mean a lot of this stuff happened too long ago / probably lacks the requisite evidence or substance for purposeful legal recourse. to me this just felt like a cathartic offloading of pain and repression on her part. her claims are also very specific and the new female member of CC seems to be undergoing some similar looking distress as well. so why would she make all of this up? to attempt to hamper his career? i am not saying you have to unequivocally believe her without evidence, but try to think about it logically.

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


"well hold on guys, we've only heard one side of the story."

"man you are a real piece of shit."

lol what.

someone explain to me then, are we expected to automatically take the accuser's side in the case of a rape accusation? im actually asking, because thats what seems like the popular opinion around here.

betray
October 24th 2017
9186 Comments


wow good one retard

pjorn
October 24th 2017
4300 Comments


@AC most of the time yes because most of the time the woman isn't lying. read what hal said, use logic.

hal1ax
October 24th 2017
9687 Comments


na i don't rly fault u guys for being reluctant. i just happen to believe her in this case. there have been instances in the past where i was skeptical.

tommygun
October 24th 2017
26715 Comments


[Trigger Warning.]

lol we buzzfeed now?

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


If they’re touring the states anytime soon he’ll probably be shot by some nutjob in the audience ‘doing Gods work’

betray
October 24th 2017
9186 Comments


what the fuck is your deal man

JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
October 24th 2017
6443 Comments


"[Trigger Warning.]

lol we buzzfeed now?"
idk it requires nearly zero effort to mention that the ensuing subject matter is sensitive, though it would make more sense to be specific-ish. i'm not a victim of sexual assault but maybe if i was i'd appreciate the heads up.

yanagimary
October 24th 2017
12 Comments


Love to see all the people bothered by a mere warning of content that might bring back traumatic experiences of victims of abuse.

Anyway, that cover of their debut EP looks 1000 times more tasteless now.

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


@pjorn yeah, obviously it doesnt look good for him and most people dont just make this shit up. but its a really bad habit to condemn someone immediately just from an accusation. imagine if you were falsely accused of rape. people begin to berate you and cut ties with you and fire you from your job simply because someone said something about you. are you going to sit there and think, "you know what? this is ok. this is fair, because most rape accusations arent false."

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


"someone needs to reach out to Edith because from what I'm hearing she's being abused in a similar way"

where have u heard this

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zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


Apparently so Adolf, you piece of shit

Azertherion
October 24th 2017
467 Comments


If this is indeed true, it's horrendous

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JohnnyOnTheSpot
Staff Reviewer
October 24th 2017
6443 Comments


it's precarious because, imagining yourself as the victim, the last thing you'd want when coming forth with something so exposing and psychologically treacherous is for a slew of people to doubt you - pairing that with the number of rape cases that don't go to trial / result in conviction, i imagine many victims have a hard time justifying coming forth at all when it might be easier to keep quiet and trudge on. i dislike FB vigilantism, but can understand when people feel like it's that or nothing.

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


zak talking trash again what a shock

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


I’ve spoken nothing but truth. Sheesh.

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


"Dude sounds like a sociopath."

more like a narcissist tbh

superluminals
October 24th 2017
948 Comments


Johnny on point



Nazzadan
October 24th 2017
1598 Comments


"If they’re touring the states anytime soon he’ll probably be shot by some nutjob in the audience ‘doing Gods work’"

"I’ve spoken nothing but truth. Sheesh."

You typed that first part with one hand, didn't you.

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


no you're missing the point and soapboxing about due process or some shit when it isn't relevant. she didn't post this for him to be criminally convicted. all she did was post her story and immediately you wanna start downplaying it and arguing it

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


reflect on yourself my dude

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


isn't your hypothesis a necessary evil for the ability for someone to actually broadcoast their experiences in the greater likelihood something like this has actually happened to them. rape accounts are invalidated enough as it is in our society. why does this offend you so much

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


lol his message got deleted

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


My comment was deleted?

Unbefuckinglievable

anarchistfish
October 24th 2017
26065 Comments


the irony

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


Indeed. LOL.

TVC15
October 24th 2017
8977 Comments


Finger up the Ars

Edit: Wow this thread moved quickly

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VirtualBlaze
October 24th 2017
660 Comments


@the person that said "let crystal castles end"

I really hope that doesn't happen, because this was never his band. He wanted it to be, but it wasn't. I'd much rather see one member get kicked out and replaced instead of the band disintegrating. I don't want another PWR BTTM (even though that band was so tight-knit and it was unavoidable).

VirtualBlaze
October 24th 2017
660 Comments


By the way: https://www.spin.com/2017/10/ethan-kath-statement-alice-glass-abuse/

brandontaylor
October 24th 2017
606 Comments


this was an upsetting read, the extent of alleged abuse is really horrifying. i just hope she can find success in her solo career and find herself in a better place.

TVC15
October 24th 2017
8977 Comments


I like how his bottom line is "SHE'LL HEAR FROM MY LAWYERS!"

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


Wheeling out witnesses already seems a bit panicked, a bit desperate but hey ho.

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


Hes fucked either way.

zakalwe
October 24th 2017
23713 Comments


OMG I’ve just realised!!!!!! Crystal Castles is a usleless name for a band.

Toad
October 24th 2017
1523 Comments


i'm glad someone is finally taking a stand for the slew of men who get wrongly accused of sexual assault/abuse

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zaruyache
October 24th 2017
18089 Comments


I think the idea is that sexual abuse is such a serious issue that you shouldn't assume someone would make it up in the first place. Your first reaction to an assertion of abuse, then, should be support and comfort for that individual. Objectivity and analysis of the evidence can come afterward.

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


who said you should assume they made it up.

superluminals
October 24th 2017
948 Comments


"I'm glad someone is finally taking a stand for the slew of men who get wrongly accused of sexual assault/abuse"

Lol


JohnDillinger
October 24th 2017
220 Comments


Support the victim, avoid judgement without evidence. pretty straightforward.

Don't be a retard and condemn the accused based on some fucking social media post, it's not your place to blame and speculate, these are peoples lifes that are ruined here.

Don't be a sexist douche whose first reaction is second guessing the victim. Be supportive, you don't need evidence for that.


MrMatt767
October 24th 2017
551 Comments


No one in this thread has even said anything that outrageous. Supporting the accuser/victim and suggesting that we also allow the accused to at least release a statement are not mutually exclusive positions to take - it's not as if permitting the accused to do so entails some tacit, apologistic support of them. The only people in this thread who are being stupid are those who are chucking tantrums and calling other users "pieces of shit" for making a reasonable and inoffensive point. Nice to see that apart from that, this comment section is actually pretty civil and constructive. Also, FWIW and in light of that pathetic statement by Ethan Kath, this seems truly fubar and I feel so so sorry for both Alice and Edith.

TVC15
October 24th 2017
8977 Comments


She posted the statement on her website not "social media"

AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


well that changes everything!

SnakeDelilah
October 24th 2017
19999 Comments


zak is the user embodiment of that disgruntled man-child that walks around school complaining about how PC the culture on campus is and how women in this country are raised to be victims

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AdolfChrist
October 24th 2017
13548 Comments


lmao

SnakeDelilah
October 24th 2017
19999 Comments


on a more serious note it's gonna be massively difficult to listen to CC's earlier stuff after reading this

TVC15
October 24th 2017
8977 Comments


"well that changes everything!"

No, it hardly changes much at all, but saying she posted the statement on "social media" like Zak supposed and JohnDillinger accuses implies an attention seeking element to her allegation/confession when she posted it on her website as a means to vent and get all that terrible shit off of her chest.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


if she couldn't do it through social media, what other options are there?

fax?

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


hold up i'll make an official statement through astral plane projection

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


Lol Adolf always plays the role of rape apologist when these things pop up in the news

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


^ as if the dude was already charged of something lol

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


hahahaha oh man. i was gonna say something after johndillinger's comment about how when a story like this comes out if you have anything to say other than, "hes a piece of shit who deserves to rot in hell," then youre sexist or rape apologist or something. but then i thought, "well thats not fair, nobody in this thread has gotten that cartoonish yet." but here you are, playing the role of a retard!

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


lol don't get mad at me for pointing that on every article about sexual assault you constantly blame the victim and try to find a counter narrative for the assaulter.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


and what's the problem in doing that?

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


glad youre here, we need at least one person like you in every thread. reminds the rest of us that nobody is really being THAT retarded by contrast.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I really hope that is a rhetorical question

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


i hope for nothing on the other hand, for u haven't made any significant contribution to the discussion other than calling someone out for something insignificant

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I love how your only rebuttal is just calling me retarded lol

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


complain all you want -- and mind u, u haven't even exposed why giving the benefit of the doubt is a bad thing -- adolf thinks like that, and you haven't provided anything for his opinion to change

hence the situation we're in

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


i love it too!

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


it's hard to give u a rebuttal when u haven't exposed anything

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


@asdfpp3049 Actually I commented on this way earlier today hoping Alice gets better. That is my contribution.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


and u expect a rebuttal to that?

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


what are u even doing

kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


Hey guys a woman might have been raped can you all fuck off and be considerate instead of diving balls deep into useless debates?

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


What are you even talking about anymore? I never said I wanted a rebuttal for saying I want Alice to get better

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


king: want me to contact alice glass directly instead?

sleepy: "I love how your only rebuttal [...]"

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


considerate to who, do you think shes monitoring this thread?

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


Let them be tough guys

kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


@asdfp what are you even talking about

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


@Asdfp I was talking about Adolf. I don't expect a rebuttal from you. I don't really care about you honestly. I'm only responding to you

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


it's like the nra dudes complaining every time someone discusses a mass murder, it only serves to shut down the discussion

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


sleepys: "@Asdfp I was talking about Adolf."

still, what kind of rebuttal do u want? u haven't made any point worth discussing

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


"lol don't get mad at me for pointing that on every article about sexual assault you constantly blame the victim and try to find a counter narrative for the assaulter."

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


yes, he is.

do u want a rebuttal of that?

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


Why do you do that every time?

Toad
October 25th 2017
1523 Comments


this thread belongs in 2016 sput

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


none of ur business tbh

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I do but not from you because I really don't care about you

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


if u feel like contacting him directly, use the shoutbox function

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


Are you his secretary? Fuck off

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


thats the only kind of rebuttal hes gonna get. you can see earlier on in this thread that im capable of having a civil conversation, but if you act like a retard ill treat you like one. fuck outta here with your "rape apologist" bullshit, cunt.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


sleepy still hasn't provided any point worth discussing

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


So basically you proved my point. You don't really have a reason other than you want to play devil's advocate

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


u haven't made any point

kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


This is a pointless meandering argument.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


"sleepy still hasn't provided any point worth discussing"

I mean you're still commenting on what I comment so...


kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


Sleepys, adolf, asdfp, chill out dudes. Getting way more heated than necessary.

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"You don't really have a reason other than you want to play devil's advocate"

lmao, how are you reaching these conclusions?? quick, how many fingers am i holding up?

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


sleepys came just to stir shit, this thread was already destined to be worthless

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I feel like I'm arguing with some fat high school edgelords

kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


True but really sleepys and Adolf are making this shit plummet. Its just...not worth arguing over. I shouldn't even be arguing either.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


sleepys: if that makes u feel better about yourself, go for it

thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


king: honestly it's not stoppable. let it be

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


You're very welcome fat phaggot

Kompys2000
October 25th 2017
959 Comments


Wow the Alice Practice cover is so uncomfortable to look at now.

Fuck Ethan if this is true, which it probably is.

wwf
October 25th 2017
5697 Comments


This is shocking obviously

But honestly the backstory of this band always felt a little off, though I assumed it was a more benign thing

like, Alice Practice definitely wasn't a mic test lmao

Edit: holy fuck I've never seen the Alice Practice EP artwork before. Holy fuck

Digging: Julien Baker - Turn Out The Lights

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


never liked the band tbh lol, always thought they were weird too, but i'm just gonna watch this whole thing unravel

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


dude, there's no way anything they recorded is real, even in the case something actually happened

if anything recorded is actually evidence, i would love to see his ass handled to him in court, but that's likely not the case

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


listening to Alice Practice, kind of like it.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


was one of the only decent songs on their debut, the entire album sucks ass

MrMatt767
October 25th 2017
551 Comments


No one in this thread has said anything resembling rape apology and accusing users of that, when there is no supporting evidence, only serves to devalue the severity of the phrase/issue. It also derails the thread because it just turns the whole thing into a shit fight...like c'mon

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments



No one in this thread has said anything resembling rape apology and accusing users of that, when there is no supporting evidence, only serves to devalue the severity of the phrase/issue. It also derails the thread because it just turns the whole thing into a shit fight...like c'mon


This. Hard.
The issue is so politicized and polarizing that it invites people do comment on it, even when the investigation has just begun, and there's no evidence at all. For the moment, Ethan is innocent, and then we'll see how the court handles it.

In this case in particular, given that it's been several years of alleged abuse, there should be more than enough evidence to prosecute. Let's hope for the best for the case, and wait

(Although actually there's been already a couple of accusations of rape-apology dude)


AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


it doesnt sound like shes pressing charges.

wwf
October 25th 2017
5697 Comments


everyone says it's super fucked up this will probably never see the inside of a court

zakalwe says it's super fucked up the only court this will see is the court of public opinion


lbr, both of these opinions are two sides of the same coin

no one's called Alice a liar

let's not exacerbate things

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


TheSleepys: congrats on being the exact kind of useless person who derails the discussion and is only here to start shit

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


Honestly, if she doesn't go to court, then she's just starting a witch hunt

If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute

If she doesn't, she'll just be supporting another abuser walking free

Nomos
October 25th 2017
1588 Comments


I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I was only trying to bait one sputnik user but I got two.

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"i-i was just trolling!"

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


"I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep."

Stupid, baseless statement tbh. You don't know him, you don't know her.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


@Asdfp don't be mad, I was just quoting you

wwf
October 25th 2017
5697 Comments


'Honestly, if she doesn't go to court, then she's just starting a witch hunt
If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute'

Does she really? I'd guess maybe when she was more under his control, she could've prosecuted, but it's hard to say now. Either way, it's probable she's already consulted people on the possibility of prosecution and elected against it for now

The girls who brought Weinstein down also were just starting a witch hunt and they've effectively removed him from power, so don't underestimate the power of public opinion

'I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep.'

he really does

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


It's been years of alleged abuse, there definitely is evidence of the stuff she's said. She just needs to go for it, if it exists.

"The girls who brought Weinstein down also were just starting a witch hunt and they've effectively removed him from power, so don't underestimate the power of public opinion"

I know the power of witch hunts, but I also find them unfair. Kinda like the case of the mattress girl -- the court found out she was the one constantly contacting him through facebook, etc., and she was the one pursuing him while he actively avoided her. But now, under public opinion, he's a serial rapist.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


Let's not forget all of y'all also look like rapists guys, have u seen your faces? Check the pics list

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"From one troll to another, you're a little bitch. like you're actually little bitch"

lol suck my dick, cocknoggin.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


lol I would if you weren't an ugly little bitch

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute"

i mean, maybe. even when it gets reported right away, there arent always bruises or signs of struggle or text messages you can look back on. a lot of rapists get away with it because it can be hard to prove.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


Bruises disappear, text messages are archived. There's also a great chance that there will be a witness willing to help Alice, since they only accumulate with repeated abuse.

It worked for Amy Lee.

wwf
October 25th 2017
5697 Comments


I know there's a strong attempt at derailing any actual conversation that's outside of hyperbole here, but

Honestly, there's a chance this guy is doing this shit to this fuckin day, so if there's a case against him, I'd bet it comes from someone other than Alice

Either way, asdfp dude, would you agree that her story correlates pretty closely to how the band has always seemed to operate in the past? He had all the control clearly, and that first EP artwork is just yikes

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


I would say he seems like a controlling person, but again, I have no facts over this save for some word-of-mouth. Of course, there's always the possibility that Alice has suffered all that abuse, so it should be taken into consideration with appropriate care -- this is serious abuse.

The artwork means nothing honestly, it could be anything. I.e. check any power electronics and/or grind musicians artwork.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


And yeah, now there's a new girl in the band. She should have some say over this.

It's even better, since now the new girl would publicly have someone to back up her story if she's suffered abuse by Ethan too. Things do stack up. She would have a way better chance in a court case, and a support system already.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


Alice is most likely still being abused by her current bf Jupiter Keyes

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


yeah im curious as to what the other singer has to say about all this.

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


It's probably gonna take her a while to make a statement. Especially if she's suffering abuse too -- the band would have to disintegrate, she would have to find a support system, gather evidence, talk to a lawyer, etc etc etc.

KevinKC
October 25th 2017
707 Comments


luygityfuydtrdturyt

Trophycase
October 25th 2017
374 Comments


Damn this is fucking terrifying. Gotta feel for her.

SweeneyTodd
October 25th 2017
1474 Comments


I'm seeing a lot of you saying we can't fully believe Alice, because this is an accusation, not a conviction, and you're right, this could turn out to be total bull, and Ethan be innocent. But for the longest time, people have been skeptical about Ethan. Alice's lyrics about abuse have always been prevalent in their music, not to mention in interviews a lot of the time he speaks and Alice is silent. I believe Alice because since discovering the band there has always been something off about Ethan, and when she left, his statement on it was such a dick move it felt more like he was trying to upset and discredit her than actually explain why she left. I know there isn't any physical evidence at this point (bar some photos of her bruises online somewhere yet to surface) but this is one of those cases where, no questions asked, I'm fully taking the victims side. Most of the time I remain on the fence until the perpetrator is proven guilty, but even then I lean toward the victim because I am a victim myself of sexual and physical abuse. I'm not trying to score any pity points with that, but I know what it feels like to be in Alices position and have no one believe you. If Ethan is proven innocent, I'll eat my words obviously. Edith has been seen in distress on stage, and Ethan has been seen shouting at her during shows. There is the possibility she is going through the same trauma, something needs to be done.

Zak, I get completely where you're coming from, but in this case, as someone who's followed the band since their inception, i'm more inclined to believe Alice. Also, rape in the UK is not always investigated, I have been raped, I have friends who were raped, and when we went to the police, they didn't do anything. It was infuriating.

zakalwe
October 25th 2017
23713 Comments


Well I’m shocked and disturbed by that todd mate and I certainly don’t want to demean or interfere in anyway but when we say rape we are talking about the UK definition aren’t we? A man inserting his penis into a vagina, mouth or anal passage without consent?





JS19
October 25th 2017
6056 Comments


Honestly Zak shut up. Whiny mra types are some of the most pathetic people on the planet.

You want to talk about why women are scared to come out with allegations of abuse and you don't think this constant 'there's no evidence yet', 'wait until the truth comes out' 'innocent until proven guilty' crap is peddled in heaps.

And don't even try to pretend that rape is always investigated here in the UK. What a ridiculous unsubstantiated claim. I honestly think you should take a step back and think 'why am I so desperate to believe this'.

Actually think about it and maybe you will learn something about yourself

Digging: Sleeping at Last - Atlas - Space 2

JS19
October 25th 2017
6056 Comments


Sure of course in law people are innocent until proven guilty. But how many times do you think that way about allegations of people involved in other crimes? How much does society think that way?

That dichotomy only seems to exists when it's sexual violence specifically against women.

JS19
October 25th 2017
6056 Comments


I'm also kind of confused why we are laughing at trigger warnings? Because Sput consists of only 14 year old boys who hang out on youtube comments? Because those are the only people I've seen who act that way around TWs outside of the internet?

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


Lol

coldheaven
October 25th 2017
489 Comments


Is zak a bot

Digging: Blood Cultures - Happy Birthday

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"But how many times do you think that way about allegations of people involved in other crimes?"

When its just a he said/she said situation involving two people ive never met and no evidence supporting either side? Uhh, every time. And if you are right about people only reserving judgement when it comes to sexual violence (i dont think you are, but thats another argument), it doesnt mean we should not reserve judgement in these cases to even it out, it means we should apply the same standard to everything else.

Your other argument seems to be "not just believing them without a second thought makes it harder for people who have been assaulted to come out, therefore we should automatically take the side of anyone who claims they were sexually assaulted." Do i really have to explain why thats stupid?

zakalwe
October 25th 2017
23713 Comments


I had to look at what MRA was and I’m certainly not that lol.

This is the problem isn’t it. You don’t know me, I actually disclosed a personal account of being sexually assaulted by an older male when I was 17 on this thread and it got deleted (fucking unbelievable) And that’s without other events of my past that I won’t go into.

I think there is a confusion between rapes going unreported for whatever reason and actually investigated. You report a rape it will be investigated by way of statement, forensic swabs, identifying lines of enquiry and so on. That is fact mate. The police won’t just fuck it off, it’s not the 70s. Whether it leads to charges and a later conviction is another matter. I don’t know what experiences you or people you know have had but I guarantee it’s definitely not the norm.




Nazzadan
October 25th 2017
1598 Comments


Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food

NastyCrab
October 25th 2017
706 Comments


https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rq4bmp/searching-through-the-shade-between-alice-glass-and-ethan-kath

Not evidence obviously, but this article from April 2015 gives credence to some of what Alice has said about Ethan's controlling, manipulative behavior.

wwf
October 25th 2017
5697 Comments


I don't normally get trigger warnings, since it's not like morbid human curiosity won't ever win and it won't ever stop anyone from actually clicking through an article, and it always feels silly and unprofessional for an article to use instead of a standard disclaimer that the article may be upsetting

But as neither a victim of abuse or a particularly big fan of Crystal Castles, this is still pretty upsetting. It's never fun to find out something you enjoy was created through mistreatment

coldheaven
October 25th 2017
489 Comments


Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food [2]

DinosaurJones
October 25th 2017
6661 Comments


I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

coldheaven
October 25th 2017
489 Comments


Upgrade your meal for the low low low price of your masculinity

bloc
October 25th 2017
45220 Comments


"Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food"

Bwahaha perfect man

TronaldDump
October 25th 2017
524 Comments


I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong.

JS19
October 25th 2017
6056 Comments


'Upgrade your meal for the low low low price of your masculinity'

that's the second one then

SweeneyTodd
October 25th 2017
1474 Comments


"Well I’m shocked and disturbed by that todd mate and I certainly don’t want to demean or interfere in anyway but when we say rape we are talking about the UK definition aren’t we? A man inserting his penis into a vagina, mouth or anal passage without consent?"

yes we are.

I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong. [2]


Gmork89
October 25th 2017
7374 Comments


I love sputnik.

LethalPaintball
October 25th 2017
770 Comments


think ive only heard a grand total of 2 crystal castles songs but jesus christ this is sickening

Digging: Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Eve and Other Stories

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong. [3]

They sound just like the people that questioned the rapes that happened to me and my friends

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


my god, they questioned you??

literallyzach
October 25th 2017
460 Comments


big surprise this thread plummeted

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


@Adolf They defended him. You wouldn't understand run along little bitch

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


lol you guys are so dumb.

hikingmetalpunk
October 25th 2017
2159 Comments


harsh times these are

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"anyways if anything i've said there offends you or is (quite possibly) out of line apologies"

nah, calling someone a rapist over trivial matters isnt out of line at all! its all good! just another day in the life of sach, ayy?

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


"there's a lot to be said about times and places for certain comments"

Sinternet
October 25th 2017
15060 Comments


Holy shut this thread got bad adolf and assclap delete your accounts

Satellite
October 25th 2017
25690 Comments


damn, when did adolf/bitchfork turn into a complete shitheel?

Tyler.
October 25th 2017
13854 Comments


im not reading this thread lol

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


nah, you guys are ridiculous. i havent said anything outrageous here.

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


im sorry guys, i wont think critically about these issues anymore!

seriously, my whole argument has been "i think we should remain neutral in cases like this with people we've never met and with no evidence on either side," and i get my head bitten off. how is that idea out there at all.

thanks to sweeneytodd and a couple others for coming back with coherent responses and actually having a conversation about it instead of calling me a rape apologist or some other shit because i didnt echo the popular narrative.

TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


"calling me a rape apologist or some other shit because i didn't echo the popular narrative."

Except you do this every time for any sexual assault case. You do it even when it has to do with an artist who's music you don't even fucking like.

I'd call you a little bitch, but you already know what you are lol


TheSleepys
October 25th 2017
194 Comments


"seriously, my whole argument has been "i think we should remain neutral in cases like this with people we've never met and with no evidence on either side," and i get my head bitten off. how is that idea out there at all."

"I wanna blame victims but people are being mean to me! I'm the real victim wahhhhhhhhhhh"


AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


remaining neutral is victim blaming? interesting. im learning so many new things ITT!

Dinosaur
October 25th 2017
1122 Comments


I agree with remaining neutral. People are way too butthurt anout these issues. What do we know for certain?

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


nocuffin lowkey a neonazi but gotta pretend to be a decent person on sputnik i guess

kingdedethefifth
October 25th 2017
4622 Comments


What the fuck are you saying asdfp

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


http://imgur.com/a/W8OIw

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


Me 2

Asdfp277
October 25th 2017
16133 Comments


tbh

AdolfChrist
October 25th 2017
13548 Comments


Lmao, that desperate backpedaling.

Kompys2000
October 26th 2017
959 Comments


Folks, if you read some shit like this and your immediate reaction is "well what about the other side of the story?/where's the evidence?" and not "wow, that's horrible, I hope she's alright", you're doing something wrong. Let the police and the courts figure out whether or not Kath is guilty, all you gotta do is have some basic human compassion. You can assume she's telling the truth until you have reason to believe otherwise.

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


@kompy part of basic human compassion is not making a judgement when you know nothing about the situation.

"You can assume she's telling the truth until you have reason to believe otherwise."

So guilty until proven innocent. Sounds like a good road to go down.

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


Im not talking about the legal process, but does guilty until proven innocent sound like a good mentality in regards to either public opinion or the law?

Asdfp277
October 26th 2017
16133 Comments


http://imgur.com/a/wtFw3

TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


">being a nazi is irrelevant when virtue-signaling

lol.gif"

lol tf is this 4chan shit?


TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


asdfp is confirmed to also be a little bitch

TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


yeah because someone named AdolfChrist should really be judging people's character.

TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


Von Goatfuck hates women because they probably won't get near him

Kompys2000
October 26th 2017
959 Comments


LOL sixdegrees you really are the cherry on top of this clusterfuck of a thread

superluminals
October 26th 2017
948 Comments


you mean nicholas von nuclearape?

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


Didnt mort get banned once for saying "gas the kikes"?

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


@sleepy yet you conveniently ignore the other name in my username, who was a really nice guy and died for your fucking sins??

Kompys2000
October 26th 2017
959 Comments


If Jesus died for my sins how come my grandma still thinks I'm going to hell

TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


Yes we know your name has quite the edge. That still has nothing to do with what I said.

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


christ is edgy?...

Kompys2000
October 26th 2017
959 Comments


No, I'm highkey antifa

TheSleepys
October 26th 2017
194 Comments


When you're trying to put it next to Adolf Hitler it is an attempt to be edgy. I like how you're going on about anti-semitism when you've run out of ways defending that you victim shame

Kompys2000
October 26th 2017
959 Comments


Kidding, I'm too young and stupid to have political opinions.

hal1ax
October 26th 2017
9687 Comments


haha

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


i listened to the Alice Practice song, thought it was good.

coldheaven
October 26th 2017
489 Comments


What the fuck did I come back to

DinosaurJones
October 26th 2017
6661 Comments


Someone trying to be super edgy, it seems.

coldheaven
October 26th 2017
489 Comments


It ain't even remotely funny anymore, just pretty annoying.

Sinternet
October 26th 2017
15060 Comments


Interesting to see that stupid people like adolf think they're rational because they fail to grasp any wider social implications of an issue

Asdfp277
October 26th 2017
16133 Comments


he knows the implications of the issue, he just doesn't consider them to be powerful enough to warrant revoking the presumption of innocence

alienobserver
October 26th 2017
4128 Comments


me llamo jeff

Digging: Black Kray - Ice Cream & Mac 10s

coldheaven
October 26th 2017
489 Comments


This whole thread reeks of late 2000's 4Chan edge

EdgarAllenBro
October 26th 2017
21 Comments


Just had a very long conversation with my girlfriend who is a victim of something similar. Ya'll are proving why being a Lawyer requires understanding situational truth and nuance. Cheap jokes and egotistical grandstanding aside, re-read this article with an eye for objective truth without getting triggered and then make a statement about it. Reactionary aggression begets itself and derails discussion.

DinosaurJones
October 26th 2017
6661 Comments


Derailed discussion is all the internet is, though.

AdolfChrist
October 26th 2017
13548 Comments


Youre asking for too much.

EdgarAllenBro
October 26th 2017
21 Comments


tbh Adolf(NEVER THOUGHT I'D TYPE THAT) your back and forth kept me up last night. Such a fucking sensitive topic and personal experience/hearditfromafriend seems to be the primary source that people base their opinion off. Justice is a process, rape isn't okay. You're both fucking right. Neither of you has said anything to contravene that truth.

Asdfp277
October 26th 2017
16133 Comments


i just really hope the best and that justice gets served

can only wait now

SweeneyTodd
October 27th 2017
1474 Comments


sixdegrees has never known the touch of a woman it seems

coldheaven
October 27th 2017
489 Comments


sixdegrees has never known the touch of a woman it seems [2]

SgtShock
October 27th 2017
732 Comments


"Computer, show me the worst thread"

JS19
October 28th 2017
6056 Comments


'Folks, if you read some shit like this and your immediate reaction is "well what about the other side of the story?/where's the evidence?" and not "wow, that's horrible, I hope she's alright", you're doing something wrong'

Yh this - really tells you a kind of person with one sentence

AdolfChrist
October 28th 2017
13548 Comments


Agreed, it tells you whether you make rash judgements based on emotion or if you are able to detach yourself from a situation and think about it clearly.

Sinternet
October 28th 2017
15060 Comments


i'm gonna make the massive assumption here that you're not some mom's basement shut-in and actually have ever talked to women before but if one of your female friends comes up to you in distress and says her boyfriend abused her, do you sympathise and do your best to comfort her, or do you push her away and say 'wait i haven't heard his side yet'

AdolfChrist
October 28th 2017
13548 Comments


We're talking about strangers ive never met, not a friend of mine. We're talking about public perception. Obviously people are going to take their friend's side, thats just a given.

Sinternet
October 28th 2017
15060 Comments


so because you don't personally know someone, it's not worth treating them the same way?

AdolfChrist
October 28th 2017
13548 Comments


No, its not. I think its a dangerous mentality for the public to make a decision on someones guilt based on nothing more than an allegation. Until more info comes out (if any does), ill leave it to the people involved to make their judgements.

zakalwe
October 28th 2017
23713 Comments


Hang him

AdolfChrist
October 28th 2017
13548 Comments


And btw, i agree with everyone else that theres a high chance shes telling the truth. I know that sort of contradicts everything i just said, but at this point, i wouldnt go around shitting on his name. I wouldnt condemn him as a rapist yet. Thats the problem. The public cant be fucked to wait a second to be sure before they destroy a life. And ill bring us back to this:

"imagine if you were falsely accused of rape. people begin to berate you and cut ties with you and fire you from your job simply because someone said something about you. are you going to sit there and think, 'you know what? this is ok. this is fair, because most rape accusations arent false.'"

AdolfChrist
October 28th 2017
13548 Comments


And thats the last ill say on the matter, ive spent too much time in this thread.

Asdfp277
October 28th 2017
16133 Comments


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till



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