I like it. Idgaf.

I like it too. Some of the lyrical deliveries sounded a bit awkward thought, like not as confident as it could be.

Didn't do much for me and I liked Take Me Back to Eden quite a bit

I was personally expecting more of a barn burner, but the electronic elements are fun - felt like a regular ST track.

worse than trapt

This is so bad, lmao. 3 minutes in and nothing has happened. How are they getting even worse?

"The track's debut also ties in with the announcement of Sleep Token's upcoming fourth studio effort, Even In Arcadia - due to be released on May 9th, 2025."

Oh boy guys mark your calendars

Oh fucking a, I have a feeling I’m gonna love this one

that filtered voice sounds like Kylo Ren announcing the next Squid Game

band rly do be racing AI against the clock for the most soulless generative post-genre horseshit your speakers can play rn

It's really quite ass, isn't it

aoty

poop token

Don’t like it as much as some cuts off TMBTE, but it’s a decent Sleep Token track! Clearly won’t convert anyone who isn’t already a fan, but it does at least appear to shift their sound somewhat, so they aren’t doing TMBTE 2.0. Fully prepared to be one of the only defenders of this album on the site

That being said, the “come and wrap your arms around me” part is very much the weakest link here

it’s not bad when you have someone to wrap their arms around you

Song is awesome. Went from hating this band to anticipating their next release. Not sure if I’m just getting used to his voice or if he’s toning down the theatrics a bit but it was a good vocal performance

Song is fine, all the people commenting about this being the worst thing ever are being silly af.

Sputs all time least divisive band is back!

This is like if you could condense all famine, disease, genocide, loathing, melancholy and despair and feed it's essence directly through an IV drip into my earholes

I haven't jammed it yet 3/10

Twilight, I can’t tell if you’re joking or not

Yup it's a Sleep Token song alright

At least the art direction is cool

Further proof that 90% of white rappers just… shouldn’t

Everyones favorite band is back 😍

Twilight I fully agree, I felt like maybe I was going a bit crazy but no his singing is definitely a bit less over-the-top here.
Song is definitely interesting musically, really the slightly "drunk" feel of the electronic section.

Not as immediately memorable as something like The Summoning but definitely would be above average in their whole discog

Not joking I actually really enjoyed this and have been digging the band more and more lately.

I am shocked it didn’t end in a breakdown and their song structure gets pretty predictable after awhile. Most of this is really solid tho imo

"Clearly won’t convert anyone who isn’t already a fan"

This already aged like milk and it hasn't even been a whole day LMAO

Pretty much as bad as expected. I already predict magazines are gonna call this innovative and groundbreaking.

The first half of this is so hamfisted

"All I can say is wow! Huge! Simply a band that can do no wrong dude. Damn dude. Holy shit it's like the previous album but better in every way. The chorus is SOOOOO massive and good dude. Absolutely crazy! I'm so excited!" - Nik Nocturnal, probably

*loudest fart noise of all time*

literally what the wrap your arms around me part sounds like
Like slowly leaking a fart out of a balloon

album thread is gonna go crazyyyyy start procuring the popcorn

I’m just enjoying seeing people try to fit in

innovative and groundbreaking [2]

“Groundbreaking”

Yeah breaking ground to bury what’s left of music authenticity lmao

Shit just like everything else of theirs

The percussion came in with the vocals and I couldn’t contain my laughter

ok i actually listened and is this imagine dragons in disguise? has anyone seen them in the same place? hmmm.

-> "good vocal performance"

-> everything is autotuned and modulated to shit

wat

I truly do not know how anyone could think this band is groundbreaking in any way

Yawn.

It's a Sleep Token track... those who hate them will keep hating them, those who love them will keep loving stuff like this. I'm in a probably relatively small camp of being half and half with them. One thing I do agree is that there seem to be less affectations and theatrics to his voice, this time around.

I used to like this band. Back when they made songs like Jaws. The single from the last album was tolerable, at least, but it masked how horrible the rest of the album was.

This? This fucking sucks, lol.

This is the most AI Generated-sounding stuff this band has released yet. It's so painfully bland and all the genre blends just sound like taking a bunch of popular music tags from a bunch of randomly selected Tiktok reels.

bet this sucks

Uhhh, Sput users are gonna be mad now that Sleep Token's releasing a new record

I’m not really bothered about whatever nonsense music they’re producing now, but I am more concerned with the bad vibes I get from the frontman and his whole schtick. Proper weird. Especially when they’ve had such industry backing

nobody is mad, we are having a laugh

to be clear tho their last album was legitimately one of the worst things I’ve ever heard, in an almost amusingly bad way (unfortunately not quite, as that would’ve been preferable).

Much like some people's parents: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

i think nik nocturnal's dicksucking in the yt comments gave me more of an ick than the song did

song AND "MV" both reek of genAI, the lyrics are fucking abysmal and frivolously empty

Intro was nice but everything after kinda lost all the steam for me

This band feels like they throw shit at a wall to see what sticks then everything that does turns into a song. Theres just so many ideas and elements that muddy the good ideas. Intro was solid, Vessel (i hate this fuckint name) actually sounded good and not like his mouth was stuffed with cotton. This song didnt need to be that long

Another meandering track that's over-sung and could have benefitted from some editing. I feel like these guys are actively trying to make me dislike them at this point, because I know they're capable of writing a stunning and emotional song. But then they keep releasing oddities like this. Are they surrounded by Yes Men?

@Demon what antics of his give you the ick?

I like it! Looking forward to may

TikTok music

song's a vibe

Even as a fan of their first couple albums I'm pretty exhausted of these guys and their formula and all of the discourse surrounding them on both sides of the fence.

I'm just not anticipating another 5 paragraph hit piece and to be told in a snooty pretentious way that I'm being manipulated and stockholmed into vibing music

Worst band of all time.

as always with you, it ain't that deep. people find this band abhorrent to listen to. is that shocking?

"Song is awesome. Went from hating this band to anticipating their next release. Not sure if I’m just getting used to his voice or if he’s toning down the theatrics a bit but it was a good vocal performance"

Plz tell me this is a joke Twlight bro.

futures there is no issue with not enjoying, it's this weird need for some to get all weird and psychoanalytical, acting like there's some illuminati conspiracy to stockholm people into liking this when, more likely, it's a matter of subjective taste

i really got no clue what you are talking about

The dude naming himself "vessel" is just so pretentious and that is reflected in their music. Also, this song is boring.

Everything about Sleep Token is basically the epitome of theater kid pretentiousness… and that’s exactly why I like it

well... we'll see in may if i need to take a sabbatical again

odd

Still pissed of they made their own lore, have a cult vibe and still refuse to do anything with it

The only good part was Abi's sax part

Gabi*

In an effort to diverge from the cynical habit of just drive-by dumping in public on a popular band that is so characteristic of this corner of the Internet, I ask, honestly to the genuine fans of this band: What do you think elevates this as something musically praiseworthy? What is distinctly good or beautiful here? I really would like to know more than a cliche appeal to "vibes." What makes this not Zoomer-kitsch?

I mean, as a zoomer who was partially raised on Broadway albums, this album basically marries my love for metal with my love for theater stuff. I’m aware it’s cheesy, I just like it. I think the drum work is fucking crazy, I’m a fan of the overlong song structures, I can’t really explain beyond a simple “it just works for me”

i'll bite: for me the appeal is in the well-arranged piano parts, the sweeping crescendos reminiscent of some of my favorite post-rock/post-rock adjacent acts, the emotive vocal delivery... stuff like that always hooks me in, dynamic contrast between the light and the dark, and of course you could say "well others do that same thing better", ok? for me, the more of it I have in my library, the better

man those rap parts were fucking atrocious lmao. Sung parts were okay.

is this what Gen Z is listening to nowadays?

honestly this shit gotta stop.

gonna take a break from FF14 and check this out

cool Gabi "feat" and it starts strong but gets super disjointed in the flow, doesn't help the singing is one-note for almost 6 whole minutes. Definitely not as bad as everything else this band has made though I'll give them that.

I don't hate this song in concept but...
You know how on every mainline (t)rap album there's 40 different features, and some of them are recorded in a proper studio and mesh with the instrumental & main rapper's parts, and others are obviously half assed and mumbled into a cellphone speaker?
The downtuned guitar parts in this song are like that cellphone feature.

I feel the song doesnt need to be 6 minutes. Im not just going to dogpile and say "shit band". Its just baffling to me atm how they have so many ideas some of which arent bad and could work but then they fuck it up by shoving every idea they have for 1 song into the same song.

it's *****theatrics*****

If they want to learn theatrics and to jam too many ideas in a song and make it work They need to be or ask a 50 something swedish bloke with a boner for classical progrock and composed for a film or two for help.

that's oddly specific

I came here just to read the comments.

Mikael Akerfeldt @Nudetayne

Last Opeth album was a bit of "I have so many ideas" lets throw them at a wall and see what sticks. Some of the songs have apparently so many layers that o think the new drummer said "i dont even know everything going on in this track". Album was still great, its also a theatrical concept album

Apart from the "Wrap your arms around me part" (*VOM*) this is pretty decent. Second half is nice.

"Its just baffling to me atm how they have so many ideas some of which arent bad and could work but then they fuck it up by shoving every idea they have for 1 song into the same song."

anytime they put "rap" in a song it just feels like a cop-out for something they could've done better but for some reason they wanna keep leaning into hip-hop elements when their aesthetic doesn't suggest it all, so it's really disingenuous to just throw lazy stuff like that in the music when they could've done something more consistent and imaginative with the vibe they seem to want to get across

fucking Thornhill is winning over Deftones fans right now, mainly because of consistency and atmosphere, which helps with immersion. this band tries to immerse me in their sound but they just don't possess the consistency to do so.

The reason the band leans in to hiphop elements is because that's what their fanbase likes about the band. We're all entitled to be haters of whatever band we want, but like it or not the band is really popular. The Summoning has 202mil listens on Spotify which is really impressive numbers.

But that's just how it goes with a lot of artists that I think are mid af.

Or they decide to poorly swap genres/styles/mood/ideas after they get one good one going. The intro for this song was actually quite great then the rest of it unfolded and was just bleh

"In an effort to diverge from the cynical habit of just drive-by dumping in public on a popular band that is so characteristic of this corner of the Internet, I ask, honestly to the genuine fans of this band: What do you think elevates this as something musically praiseworthy? What is distinctly good or beautiful here? I really would like to know more than a cliche appeal to "vibes." What makes this not Zoomer-kitsch?"

vibes

more soulless patton-core woohoo

When he got to the "arms around me" part, I really felt that. Just like he felt the massive dick he's presumably choking on at this exact moment on the record. Spiritually uplifting. The human element. A rod and a kink.

how can I unread a comment

Just the worst lmao

oh that's right, he calls himself Vessel and made up LORE about the band loooool. embarassing

what do you call Sleep Token lore?



"snore"

The Emergence of a Turd From an Ass

by Sleep Token

Wait, he made up lore *about* the band?

Prairie-Dogging: Life Imitates Art: How the Bait and Switch of 'Sleep Token's' Music Reminds Us All of the Playful Peek-A-Boo of a Turd from My Ass

The whole "lore" thing (especially the "worship" part... puke) is why I have no problem clowning on and hating this band so much. It reeks of pretentiousness. Other bands have done gimmicky things like this but not to this level and/or at least the music is good. In my mind you have to back up your theatrics with solid music to make it work.

BREAKING - Sleep Token is Just 'Ghost' With Masks on Top of Their Other Masks

Suno, create a song that blends rap and metal elements with a sound slightly different from Take Me Back to Eden. Incorporate heavily edited vocals and cliche trap beats to appeal to Gen Z

True, kids with a broccoli haircut who wear pajamas in public and say "bet" and "mid" a lot while having no attention span or life experience and crankin hog on TikTok all day is exactly the target audience

I really dug the song. The hype train behind the band is confusing to me/a waste of time, but it's still an interesting piece of music

howled out loud multiple times listening to this

alexa combine the cringest music trends of the last 20 years then pee pee poo poo fart turd

That being said, the “come and wrap your arms around me” part is very much the weakest link here

Intro is so hamfisted

Song didn’t need to be this long

[2]

As someone who enjoys a good bit of their catalog this is mostly all of the worst of it in a 6 minute track

I don't hate on this band like other people. I've tried to get into them multiple times, and nothing clicks. Same thing with Slipknot. I just dont like it, but I respect it.

I can dig it. Honestly.

At the very least that sax ending was quite nice.

Yeah that sax left me erect

I saw a fan defending the band saying haters don't understand "genre fluid" music lol. I'm not even a hater but that made me crease

Coworker music

Sleep Bro-Ken

Pee poo ken

Fuck me, all my prog and weird shit hasnt prepped for me the superior "genre fluid" of sleeptoken. Whatever i have listened to must be pleb music and i must now before the Vessel

Everyone enjoy it if you like it. Dont take the critisicim personally, its just a band despite what other people think: this band isnt the greatest thing ever or some 2nd coming of a deity

It’s a sick song. The melody and chordal elements are on point. Might be their best song.

"WHO LEFT THEIR GENRE FLUID IN THE SHOWER?"

Havent listened to this band much. Songs alright. Like holy fawn but a bit more commercial. Not bad.

Keaton good luck someone may try to kill you for comparing to Holy Fawn

they should make a Vessel skin for fortnite

I can't figure out why this band gets so much attention—it's clearly some kind of mass hypnosis involved. There's nothing particularly special about their music, and in my opinion, it leans more toward the worse side, especially their compositional aspects.

3:41 til the end is good and I really enjoy the outro, but a 6 minute song should not take almost 4 minutes to get interesting imo. Not wowed.

Vocals kinda sound like Vola's sometimes

Whole song is actually awesome and peeps are too hating to admit it

ye songs trash

song ain't bad, song ain't good either

I do agree like why do they need to pull a deathspell omega as a pop band. I wouldn’t doubt if they have an influence

their influence is imagine dragons idk why people keep forgetting this

Lmao. Imagine dragons with a breakdown pretty much

Although I would argue they’re much better. I actually like this song. Flame me

I wanted to like it, that's why I feel so let down lol

Fair enough. Sleep token is certainly not for everyone.

It took me awhile to come around to them but now I actually really dig thier style. They’re unique musically. The whole image thing is strange for sure. But any band can do what they want.

I am indeed using my token to sleep on this band

As you should. Out from underneath.

Go ahead and wrap your arms around me

oh okay we go shoo shoo together

Lemon is better

This band's marketing is much better than their music.

This is actually the first time I found myself enjoying individual elements of a Sleep Token track which actually makes the subsequent hamfisting of different sounds together more frustrating. There's kind of just no real integration of the segments here even if I at least respect that it's so much less overblown than they've been in the past, and even moreso I respect that their isn't a completely meandering unearned breakdown even if the entirety of the track itself still meanders.

Basically should've just been the sax outro for 6 minutes

I think every time I hear their song the dude's vocals grow more annoying. Sounds like he's gurgling on water.

These guys must have the best marketing skills in metal no?

This is band is absolutely pure fucking cringe! The Imagine Dragons of metal music. How can anyone even like the repetitive garbage AI sounding "Go ahead and wrap your arms around me" section? This shit is unbearable

Their aesthetic doesn’t match their sound at all. I thought this would be blackened tech death or something. This is Top-40 core. Is the anonymous gimmick just a way to hide the fact that they are industry plants? I can’t imagine scrappy DIY guys writing this type of shit in the garage and playing basement shows for gas money.

Why would anyone listen to this?

Top-40 core lmao that's a new one, nice

Meh song. These guys, Bad Omens, and a few other artists which are basically soul-pop or mainstream top 40 stuff with bits of metal, & other styles are so overhyped at current. However, these are the gateway bands of today. The number of non metal listeners, that I know who love them, along with Mirar (dubstep in metalform), is quite high. The positive, these bands bring people into perhaps perusing & exploring other metal acts, and slowly getting into the scene. We had bands like Glam Metal, 90s Metallica, alt metal bands, Breaking Benjamin, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Avenged Sevenfold, BMTH, tons of these bands that get derided but helped some go further down the rabbithole. It definitely helps the scene long term. I know tons of guys who began on some of the crappier nu-metal who got into their tech death, prog, black metal, jazz, old school hip hop.

There's no purpose for this crap it's just crap lol

Too many of these melodies sound like early 90's euro-dance trash. Worst for me, it's such a nothing song...like it was supposed to be a 45 second interlude.

love how people mention what they hate are the reasons why I like it

lot of hate for pop music as it’s always been but that hating audience grows up and they don’t change

Oh double comment woopsies

Whats with "industry plants" conspiracy theories with every popcore band. These guys just went viral because some tiktok nonsense, magazines/media picked up on the wave and made them their fav marketing child and saw an easy win to thrive.

These guys are nothing more than the 2020 version of BMTH and Slipknot. Love it or hate it thems the breaks

I mean sure tiktok helped but that only worked cuz of internet word of mouth like it always does. That end part of The Summoning worked like it did because no other band that anyone can name here did it as they structured it and executed it. And people will run with things like that and talk about it to all their friends.

Either way but as someone above mentioned: this is the new gateway band

yea can’t wait to share this with my kids when they get older

As for me personally: As long as you dont come at me with Sleeptoken are musical genisuses and the greatest thing in the world and Vessel is god (thats an actual fb page). O anyother hyperbolic nonsense, you do you, Enjoy what you enjoy and dont let anyone else piss on your parade

All that putting people on a pedestal yeah that’s pathetic and I don’t care for it

Also go both ways when there’s more harm in internalizing the trendy hate and getting bothered by little things when it shouldn’t affect music fans as I observe on the regular. It’s equally as cringey to me.

I dont get vitrolic hate either. Theres also a reason why i make sure to try something before commenting about it, ill lodge my actual critisicim of whatever the album is rather than needlessly dogpile without any basis.

Forgot I listened to it on the radio type song

Yea hating a band having never listened to them is lame. I just think the band is lame overall with this particular song being overall an atrocity to my ears.

Come on lovely haters, it's never late for worship.

If i want to worship ill listen worship at the Church of Ra, Amenra for life

>gateway band
They barely sprinkle in a chug at the end of a few tracks. The average sleep token listener isn’t there for the “heavy”. I don’t think there’s a Sleep token to Sanguisugabogg pipeline.

preach Ectier

When Vessel starts to do some of the shit Colins done for art i may reconsider

shit from a butt

"I don’t think there’s a Sleep token to Sanguisugabogg pipeline"
I know some people who got into blackgaze/Deafheaven in particular because of "Vore" off the last album. Not quite bogg but I mean, let's be real bogg's kinda samey tbh

There's always a pipeline
The Carly Rae Jepsen to Analepsy pipeline is in someone's conscious I assure you

The Emergence of a Turd From an Ass [2

Amenra for life [2]

Shitmergence

Yeah, not for me

I love the top comments on youtube being nik nocturnal and bilmuri tryna leech.

showing support aint leeching

The most ok song I've heard from Sleep Token.

The reception to this track should serve as a warning to Bilmuri about the inherent danger in taking any part of their more experimental style more seriously. A real "this is your brain on drugs" example for leaning out of the gimmick and trying to project more gravity to the music than it deserves.

Bilmuri already does genrebending wayyyy better than sleep token

people really do pull things out of their asses don’t they

this is a weirdly persistent cope from you ngl

throwing buzzwords at me won’t change my stance on being anti- anti-Sleep Token

I could care less about the band but the hate is more persistent and I know you’re online more than me to have seen it

Thats a weird take beamlith

these guys go all this way doing their "fancy rhythms" and their "sci Fi cult vibes" and always end up sounding so fucking boring and uninspired

"The reception to this track should serve as a warning to Bilmuri about the inherent danger in taking any part of their more experimental style more seriously. A real "this is your brain on drugs" example for leaning out of the gimmick and trying to project more gravity to the music than it deserves."

Wild statement coming from a Dance Gavin Dance fan

Bilmuri leans into the gimmick and backs it up with great songwriting. Sleep Token IS the gimmick. They hide behind masks and try to be all cryptic and unique but everything they write comes off as prententious word vomit and there isn't a single creative riff in their entire discography.That being said I am a walking contradiction and I actually really like Sleep Token but they really do suck and their fans are insufferable.

@relinquished
I mean every major act has a train of hate, I think this one is just more intense amongst underground music circles because they have a concept of pseudo-progressive something that surrounds their "mystique" that a huge populace enjoys, and sometimes to a ravenous degree, and this is completely fine, but equally so is trashing on them so long as you're not trashing on the people who enjoy them. Tldr, Sleep Token suck, people who enjoy them may or may not suck, every big band with a gimmick has their haters, this was my TED talk

industry plants yeah

Hmm
I'd almost argue Sleep Token are at such an apex regarding popularity and branding of their brand of horny vaguely metalcore that they are the industry itself
But maybe that's a little hyperbolic

Dedes nailed it. It's the concept, the supposed mystique and "high-art" pseudo nonsense that surrounds their marketing which gives people a bad taste. Also, the fact a lot of their style feels like a hodgepodge of popular tropes designed to cater to a specific demographic. It comes off as contrived, but here's the thing...

NONE of that compares to how uncomfortable some of their lyrics make me. It's either a simple case of being so heavily marketed towards a young crowd (corporate bullshit, but fine make your money etc.) OR something much more sinister. You're not telling me a band of 20-somethings with delusions of grandeur can seriously write / deliver some of these lines? (not to mention the quality of said lyrics, which include a prominently jarring mental-health-related victim blaming moment). It's all disturbingly juvenile. This COMBINED with everything else re their concept, the cultlike aspect of their image etc. is what leaves a bad taste in my mouth

I honestly hope it's just very blatant selling of a product to a specific crowd, because the alternative is much worse (and I'm not talking about only the band here, they have big industry backing after all)

Song's great, looking forward to the album.

Been a fan of these guys since 2017 and never seen a band develop such ravenous haters for not reason. Its just genre blending metal with more more accessible pop and rnb sounds but it gets people furious.

Some wild takes in here, no idea what conspiracy theory type shit the dude above me is on about.

forreal

Oh boy, another bite from this foul onion of overwrought, theatrical gimmickry.

I think the worst thing about this band releasing an album is the flood of rabid fanboys that descend upon every musical discussion space on the internet to circlejerk about how innovative and progressive it is for the band to blend the most boring and generic parts of two whole genres.

Can't wait!

"Its just genre blending metal with more more accessible pop and rnb sounds but it gets people furious." thats not all it is at all. though I don't listen to them anymore, DGD's first four albums an example of blending metal with pop and rnb aspects and those albums are fucking beloved and they came out like 15-20 years ago.

its the fact that sleep token blends genre with absolutely zero nuance, fluidity or authenticity.

I’d take it a step further and say it’s the “least common denominator” songwriting techniques coupled with zero editing. Like the blending of those styles, if done well, could be amazing. Sleep token frequently just takes the most basic trap beat, the most basic chug pattern, the most basic X, Y, Z with no real creativity and puts it together. This makes it cringe inducing often, and then occasionally they’ll write a banger.

But this song is another example. “Oh look, a saxophone!”

I will never not love how this band rattles so many Sputbros and people in general lmao

I'm so rattled right now if I was a snake I'd be a rattlesnake for sure

"Its just genre blending metal with more more accessible pop and rnb sounds but it gets people furious." thats not all it is at all. though I don't listen to them anymore, DGD's first four albums an example of blending metal with pop and rnb aspects and those albums are fucking beloved and they came out like 15-20 years ago.

"its the fact that sleep token blends genre with absolutely zero nuance, fluidity or authenticity" zero fluidity is a very strange critique when i think we've all heard far more jarring style switches (if you've heard that kim dracula album that's a good example of what I mean) than this

Wow this does absolutely nothing for me whatsoever

Sometimes its okay to not take music so seriously.

"Been a fan of these guys since 2017 and never seen a band develop such ravenous haters for not reason."

Not for no reason, Fantandrones got ahold of the album after his negative review.

The other part of the hate is the knee jerk reaction to the extreme hype and hyperbole of these dudes being "unique, masters of their craft' sorta thing. When theres a wave of hype like that of Taylor swift with obnoxious fans, you get obnoxious haters in waves, just look at Tool

Oopsie dupesie its a double post

"Sometimes its okay to not take music so seriously."

Yet the band themselves are overdoing it trying to "Genre-bend" as much as they can and yet every song is a melodramatic clusterfuck of anything devoid of creativity, uniqueness, etc. Honestly though, my destain stems MUCH more due to the annoying fans vs. the actual band that treat them as musical geniuses.

Hiya fear!

Fear, honestly this happens and it isn't worth getting bothered about. So what if some kids think they're the best thing ever? It might be because they haven't been exposed to much 'progressive' music and they get carried away with the hype, along with their relative accessibility etc. Gateway bands exist. That's fine by me. A lot of the concept is daft and of course the marketing really pushes and exaggerates their excellence and kids put them on a pedestal. But again, that's just the reality of a capitalist society and naïve consumers. Nothing new.

Something I don't understand is how anyone over a certain age can listen to their lyrics and not feel weirded out by it all. How are people of this band's age writing such juvenile lyrics? They can't be serious, surely? I know it's not always the listener's primary focus, but it's hard not to notice them. Even if it's simply another string to their marketing bow, how disingenuous does that render them? And some of the content really doesn't show them in the greatest light. It's not like they're teaching kids the right way to behave / think either, far from it

What about the atrocious full of cheese lyrics of countless classic bands that everyone ignores?
Anyway Sleep Token fucking rule and are here to stay.

Damn Demon with the /thread

"Honestly though, my destain stems MUCH more due to the annoying fans vs. the actual band that treat them as musical geniuses."

Never understood this mindset tbh; teenage fans are always going to act over the top and annoying because they're teenagers and (with obvious exceptions) have less life experience to draw from. Letting overreactive fans affect your music-listening experiences just sounds miserable tbh

This is the first sleep token song I have listened to in full and it wasn't very bad.

The band is good if you don't have an army of metal purists by your ear telling you that it sucks

Having said that, I don't love (or even like) the band that much, but there are way worse things out there lmao

I don't dislike the band cause of lyrics, I dislike them cause they are so boring. So very, very boring. Other bands get away with mediocre lyrics because they aren't boring. Like Korn, or Mastodon (their lyrics are ridiculous sometimes) and even Chino can write lyrics that just come across as nonsense. But those bands fucking rule. Sleep Token doesn't.

thing is if you ask people what they’re “overdoing” they can’t really explain in thought-out terms

like asking american republicans simple questions regarding policy

How, how are you somehow interjecting politics into this?

Boy oh boy the thread for this album is gonna be one for the books

No it isn't, I'm not biting anymore than I have. Shit is just annoying.

I just re read that comment... I still stand by my original statement.

There are A LOT of painfully generic and boring Sputcore death metal albums that get a pass and even get high ratings from a lot of users. And like I said again, I don't like Sleep Token that much, but I'm kind of detecting a pattern with the hate it gets.

Song fucking slaps

prove me wrong then Mantis, cuz if that bothered you then you gotta change your username

Band is kind of obviously talented. Hate is real. Let it go Anikan

"There are A LOT of painfully generic and boring Sputcore death metal albums that get a pass and even get high ratings from a lot of users. And like I said again, I don't like Sleep Token that much, but I'm kind of detecting a pattern with the hate it gets."

THIS

Dumb comparison.

"thing is if you ask people what they’re “overdoing” they can’t really explain in thought-out terms"

are you kidding me lol, this is just being obtuse

here's a neat lil list together with v clearly thought-out explanations you may have missed from earlier in the thread

they are "overdoing" the genre fusion because continually hopping from one arbitrary sound to the next is a great workaround for how painfully derivative their take on each individual style is

>> I’d take it a step further and say it’s the “least common denominator” songwriting techniques coupled with zero editing. Like the blending of those styles, if done well, could be amazing. Sleep token frequently just takes the most basic trap beat, the most basic chug pattern, the most basic X, Y, Z with no real creativity and puts it together

they are "overdoing" the ultra-earnest melodramatic performance style to uphold the mystique around their cult-of-bullshit concept and front that they make meaningful art

>> because they have a concept of pseudo-progressive something that surrounds their "mystique" that a huge populace enjoys, and sometimes to a ravenous degree

they are "overdoing" the barrage of horny cliches (My blood beats so alive / might tear right through my skin) interspersed with vapid mental health bait (And you might be the one to take away the pain and let my mind go quiet) because scene kids are still alive and unwell and everywhere in 2025, and if that comes wrapped up in a copypaste "wrap your arms round me yeah yeah" chorus for universal appeal, so much the better

>> Something I don't understand is how anyone over a certain age can listen to their lyrics and not feel weirded out by it all. How are people of this band's age writing such juvenile lyrics? They can't be serious, surely? I know it's not always the listener's primary focus, but it's hard not to notice them. Even if it's simply another string to their marketing bow, how disingenuous does that render them? And some of the content really doesn't show them in the greatest light. It's not like they're teaching kids the right way to behave / think either, far from it

tl;dr band goes way out of their way to pull individually trite genre plays off as collectively innovative, predicates the remaining artistic merit of their work on pretentious bollocks, and shills like there's no tomorrow to perhaps the most notoriously impressionable, indiscriminate and emotionally fragile demographic the industry has spent decades making a killing off hmmm what smells off here

thank you Johnny for forcing those words out of yourself so that nobody else has to

the band uses stylistic bending in a way too uninspired for me to bother trying to find the proper words as to why exactly i hate them. it is like a teen's first Pollock attempt. "why don't you like my painting?" "well because uuhhhh... nevermind"

it inspires void resignation at its best and vague repulsion at its worst. too flashy to be forgettable, yet too vapid to deserve a slot in one's memory. truly a balance of mispower

Can’t even read through what you said or frankly, don’t care

Song is sick and most people enjoy it.

TLDR

Still better than your 5 paragraphs explaining how bad it is?

Get it? They actually created something when you just hate. Move on.

I totally get the uninspired stylistic fusion part and share the sentiment, but the hate/vitriol Sleep Token gets seems too disproportionate. Also, hating the band for its fanbase is a lame argument. Regarding the death metal comparison I made, the trending albums section is oftentimes plagued by run-of-the-mill death metal and y'all know that. Many of those records stand at a 3.6/3.7 average and should be in the lower 3s or higher 2s at best. And yes, I'm well aware that ratings are entirely subjective.

I also get that consistency is key in those genres (and I love a good dm record), but most of those albums are boring as shit, reiterative/regurgitated sounds used over and over, with little-to-no variation, but they rarely get the same amount of hate because they are DIY bands or whatever.

the hate is actually completely proportionate because these guys are somehow mega popular and the biggest pop metal band right now. chugging and sloppily slapping genre's together like a teenager definitely has more variety than from a death metal album you find boring but it is certainly not better or on the same playing field. death metal is pretty intended to sound within a narrow field just because there isn't a trap beat or a saxophone doesn't make it boring or bad. variety is not inherently good.

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I respect Johnny for having the brain capacity that others don't to actually respond

as if he felt COMPELLED to defend the viritiol. at what cost? idk that's his time and effort. but yes let's give him some applause for reducing it to others' vague generalizations cuz that always helps to prove a point

oh no they're horny and and they use trap and chugs wow so bad
they gotta be uninspired but I don't know where to assume where they get their influences from
they're a "cult" oh no

people cry about the stupidest shit without realizing they eat up other bullshit for similar reasons people eat this shit up

It seems like you selectively read the stuff I wrote since you're "explaining" death metal things I mentioned, but whatever lmao

the conceit that writing 4 short paragraphs of thoughts reluctantly produced with my brain on a subject that (lol yes someone) is painfully boring to writing on somehow isn't a creative act might be even dumber than the suggestion that sleep token haters are comparable to republicans because users in this thread (literally who) haven't elaborated on their standpoint jfc

and uh faraudo i'm not about to wade into the relative artistic merits of sleep token vs run-of-the-mill dm, mainly because i don't give a shit about the later and you're probably right to suggest this site has promoted it indiscriminately, but for the sake of stirring the pot you're gonna have to name a few names

thing is you also take the bait and it's hilarious

that republican comment wasn't entirely serious but hooked your ass

Lmao I'll do a deep dive and get back to you, Johhny. It's gonna be painful, but I'll give it a go, might make a list even

Band is pretty lame but I really don't understand the vehement hatred either

The "wrap your arms around me" hook is hella cringe but honestly besides that Emergence isn't bad at all really

don't high horse me over bait when you've been up to your elbows in this thread ever since it kicked off

and don't credit me for intelligence when i didn't purposefully make a single point that others hadn't already illustrated perfectly well

not that i'm taking anything you say here in good faith when you respond to the specifics of their/my crit with your own vague generalisations and disingenuous words-in-mouth lol up your firepower or find someone else to troll

you're the one who keeps responding back

and what I do here is my business but you make it yours to fight back. no one will win cuz I have plenty of time and I know your ass does too. plus I know you come at me with a certain attitude regarding me cuz idk I ruffled your feathers at some point, I couldn't care less about how you take what I say.

it's not your duty to uphold anything that happens here so go occupy some other thread if you're bothered by me pointing out some common sense.

Johnny you are the man and an amazing writer

Johnny you are the man and an amazing writer

So nice I said it twice

i don't have any bone to pick with you re. unresolved beefs or past interactions, but the reductions getting passed off here as 'common sense' are giving me a headache and your tone throughout this thread has struck me as uncharacteristically petty

i don't have one to pick either I did mean it when I said I respected that you responded back with some brain that others on the internet (not exclusively here) don't use. my responses are as petty as how the hate gets, how you view how I type my version of pushback I really really don't care. it's not your duty to defend sleep token hate. it's not mine to go against it but even still it doesn't make sense to me. I tried to understand but you can't name another band doing what they're doing, and I say that without thinking this band is entirely good. if it was just you and me having this discussion I would actually try but I don't consider this website as a good forum of discussion anymore when anyone can butt in and derail.

why does the framing need to be upscaled to defending sleep token hate (which i don't think i've had anything to say about either way?) when i'm just expanding on my opinion

i don't understand the correlation between this band being unique and their being worthwhile, but then i also don't think originality is inherently a virtue (and have said however many times that sputnik/online music crit generally overstates this). take away their specific genre combo and concept, and their methodology is hardly any different to me to bmth, and i've been hearing their music as a series of increasingly dollar-eyed panders for wider success for long enough that the same sits naturally for sleep token

>if it was just you and me having this discussion I would actually try but I don't consider this website as a good forum of discussion anymore when anyone can butt in and derail

lmao fair enough

I frame it that way cuz fuck I need a villain and I wanna duke it out with someone actually smart. You expanded your opinion just fine but it's the attitude that carried it with that obviously would get my arrogant ass to fire back.

I agree with: they're not entirely unique, they're not worthwhile (for me, my wife loves them so I like them too I suppose). the band getting support and money and headlining, bro that's out your hands and power to complain about. The powers that be (which I work for one) want this horny-ass band to have their time to shine.
They are talented and for keyboard nerds (talking in general here) they like to pick them apart when they're not proficient themselves or put any dues towards being a band. I understand if musically they don't win people over but the whole "genre-bend" argument to me is weak because if not them who the fuck else is gonna do it? it's all inevitable. I also don't trust metalheads in general to be well-versed in the genres they touch on.

This dude on reddit put together well too:
"...they aren't changing metal/the future of metal. They are changing the future of pop music and how it's influenced by metal.

There aren't other bands blending r&b, prog, metal core, and pop in this way that speaks to those who otherwise have little interest in heavier music. They are forcing a door open between genres and creating something new.

I wouldn't expect someone who listens exclusively to heavy music to think they are something amazing, but if you are NOT coming from that world it really is. They are getting younger people and non-metalheads into new music and sparking creativity."

God, how far up your own arse have you become? You’ve dismissed others for being unworthy, then Johnny literally quotes those users and he has the intellect to be worthy of engaging with you?

Sure, some of the narrative surrounding these guys is stupid, but you seem to have taken some of this rage and applied it to the whole of Sputnik, possibly to make yourself feel superior idk. Some fair points were made. You had virtually nothing to offer at the time except ‘fuck da haterz’. Why this band of all bands has caused this I have no bloody idea. They’re not “worthy” of your defence

sleep token are trash. agreed.

hmm yeah i'd also agree with the point in reddit quote, but i don't see that bridge as unique to sleep token (again, would argue that bmth have already done most of the legwork there, and if not them, then linkin park before them and deafheaven for opening up space in the convo for extreme metal) - if they're an inevitable phenom, then it's because they were following where the wind was blowing to begin with, and the fact that they *are* a phenom is all the more reason to scrutinise them whereas they'd have been write-off and forget material if they were just a bunch of startup tosspots on soundcloud

I already saw you talking shit on discord so don't even start you little manboy. You clearly are not worthy to talk to me with your awkward-ass way of talking. I don't know how you got that I was feeling superior (probably my confidence, my bad g) or that I was applying "rage" to others, that's your own dumbass making shit up. Fair points were made by me and Johnny and we are cool. You, you can fuck off.

"Fear, honestly this happens and it isn't worth getting bothered about. So what if some kids think they're the best thing ever? It might be because they haven't been exposed to much 'progressive' music and they get carried away with the hype, along with their relative accessibility etc. Gateway bands exist. That's fine by me. A lot of the concept is daft and of course the marketing really pushes and exaggerates their excellence and kids put them on a pedestal. But again, that's just the reality of a capitalist society and naïve consumers. Nothing new."


I'm fine if for sure it is a gateway that allows them to branch out more but trust me when I say I've run into a lot of people around here that continually will not branch further and idolize this as "god tier". That's when it gets a bit annoying is when a band like this is put on a pedestal but those that majorly influenced them to even exist get no love. I know I'm being nitpicky but it's just something that always irritates me...despite the fact I know there's nothing about it I can do nor should I let it be a big deal. Just a me thing I guess

Also, hello Ectier! Hope you're doing well! Always good to see you

I took a massive sleep token this morning

What did I miss lmao

fear, bro you’re describing fans. I haven’t met a non-fan talk about them like that.

Thanks Fear! Hope yoi are well

Guys i think its a time for a break on shit talking and arguing over this band. Lets leave the shit slinging to the dumpster fire of a thread the new album will birth