haha classic

Racist ass bitch nigga

Seriously how many times are people gonna shrug his racist remarks off and go "he's not actually racist, it's just an inside joke".

32 times, after that no forgiveness

inb4 thread explodes

who cares if the guy is racist anyway, as long as he's not going out hurting jews or another minority or something why does it matter

he's an idiot but he's not hurting anybody

inb4 blackapes and ford are racist

What a way to honor Dimebag.

"Seriously how many times are people gonna shrug his racist remarks off and go "he's not actually racist, it's just an inside joke"."

forever, the metal herd is extremely reliable when it comes to making excuses for ideologies that have no place in the modern world.

"who cares if the guy is racist anyway, as long as he's not going out hurting jews or another minority or something why does it matter"

case and point.

@ devastator lol no kidding

"Ok folks, I’ll own this one, but dammit, I was joking, and the 'inside joke of the night' was because we were drinking f—ing white wine, hahaha…"

conversation that followed the drinking of said wine must've been hell of P.C.

"he's an idiot but he's not hurting anybody" [2]

lol gotta love Pantera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l35BNVJM0SU

had a little chuckle at this

"Ok folks, I’ll own this one, but dammit, I was joking, and the 'inside joke of the night' was because we were drinking f—ing white wine, hahaha…"

Oh, that's alright then.
Shitbag.

He looks far beyond wasted in the video, but the writing's on the wall with this one. Even if ungodly hammered, a normal person would never say or do that shit. Phil has always been a huge inspiration musically, especially seeing how we both come from Texas, so this sucks to see.

"hahaha"

*note to self, hide backstage Nazi memorabilia from the press*

yeah, he might not be actively harming anyone and just be a harmless prick, but he's an idol that many people mimick. Other than that, it's just a matter of respect. He's a caricature, but he still has to think before he acts.

After several racist chants, nazi salutes, white pride rants, etc. I kinda get this feeling that he's not joking

Phil did this is Seoul 1999, on stage in front of thousands. No one gave a shit then. Allegedly he did it a second time in like Poland or some eastern European country. Now it's a big deal? It seems like he's been doing this shit for years.

But I'm not surprised that this doped-up concussed fart said some dumb shit, I bet if he cant headbang anymore because the thick sludge that used to be his brains would probably find its way out of his nose and ears if he did. This dude is an extremely talented person and a huge inspiration to my childhood but drugs and alcohol ruined him and Pantera.

Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?

"MTV interview shot during Pantera’s Far Beyond Driven era. “Kids that come to our shows and yell ‘white power’… all I’ve got to say about that is I ain’t them kids,” Anselmo said."

Then proceeds to do a show and yell "white power"

I guess maybe I get caught in the mindset that people generally aren't more impressionable than I am, but obviously that's not the case... he is who he is, he is allowed to be a moron and people are allowed to dismiss his views as antiquated and warped. I guess I don't see that it's really a huge deal and I also don't understand why people would be afraid to call him out on shit they don't agree w/

"Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

history

"Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

How about Nazi salutes then, I guess that's alright too then?!

Dude...

I feel like he's really not that dumb. but maybe so idk

Lol.

Who knows eh?

who cares if the guy is racist anyway, as long as he's not going out hurting jews or another minority or something why does it matter [2]

'"he's an idiot but he's not hurting anybody"

racist ideologies and expression of said ideologies hurt society and promote racist ideologies you fucking moron

seriously fuck this cunt anyway

lol some of these responses are fucking almost as dumb as Phil's actions. There are literally hundreds of other ways to show ones contentment in being caucasian. Shouting a term connected with racism, war, and murder while doing a Nazi salute is not a good way to do it.

"Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

This argument is honestly so retarded and white people bring it up constantly and it's just like shut the fuck up and think about what you're saying

"Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

Phil is that you?

'white power-not ok?'

let me know when white people have been systematically and societally oppressed

lol

TheSonomaDude have you seen his beer gut recently? I think most people could outrun him pretty easily.

"racist ideologies and expression of said ideologies hurt society and promote racist ideologies you fucking moron"

blow me

what a fucking stupid thing to do

Not this again...

""Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

Phil is that you?"

made me lol

is he dumb? yeah. should he stfu? yeah. does everybody in here live in the real world? not sure.

"let me know when white people have been systematically and societally oppressed"

Irish. Slavs.

Are the lyrics to songs like 'Rise' sarcastic, fake or subject to altered lyrics live? I'm not being cute I genuinely don't know.

On the printed page the lyrics to that song are as anti racist as you can get but...?

yo evilford but if you attack people for being racist theyll prolly be like "oh ok thats racist, i wont be racist again and ill change my way of thinking"

Douche bag thing to do.

White man can't do shit without offending cunts.

you can't say he's not hurting anybody just because he's not curbstomping minorities in the middle of the street. you don't know who he's influencing and what that person will do. shortsighted and naive viewpoint just saying that offhandedly

if someone does something violent against a minority because of phil anselmo then they were prolly violently racist or very mentally unstable to begin with js

tbh though i suspect most of his fanbase are fully fledged kkk supporters anyway

"you can't say he's not hurting anybody just because he's not curbstomping minorities in the middle of the street. you don't know who he's influencing and what that person will do. shortsighted and naive viewpoint just saying that offhandedly "

you think someone's gonna go curbstomp someone because Phil Anselmo said white power?

Now Skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody

Is this even a surprise? Like, read the lyrics to "No Good (Attack the Radical)".

Fuck this racist piece of shit

thats like saying video games or music make people violent, its bullshit, those people are violence prone to begin with

"Now Skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody"
NO, I gotta question for Mr. PANTERA-bear here.
How's comes you's always putting down folks of different ethnic backgrounds other than your own?

PC Principal bought to be on his ass.

Well people with mental issues have done worse because of Pantera. Not blaming the band but there's a lot of people in America with severe untreated mental health problems and access to dangerous weaponry.

m/

"you think someone's gonna go curbstomp someone because Phil Anselmo said white power?"

the point is you don't know. people have been influenced by far more inane things, say their neighbors dog for instance.

Well let's face it at least Anselmo hasn't gone so far as to endorse Donald Trump yet. THEN we can completely disown him.

the point is he's a dumb douchebag who said/did something dumb and everyone is getting their panties in a twist about it.

if the neighbor's dog is responsible for someone murdering someone then there is truly no hope for the human race

I mean, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

Okay then...

"if the neighbor's dog is responsible for someone murdering someone then there is truly no hope for the human race"

That one did make me laugh

This is obviously a record company ploy to divert attention from Ed Sheeran who recently led a sell out crowd at Maddison Sq Garden into a vociferous version of 'Hitler Jugend Lied' while unfurling a 80x120ft nazi banner.

Always thought he looked the spit of Prince Harry, explains a lot Zak

lol

we should probably ban dogs just in case they influence people to go curbstomp someone

Prince Harry and Sheeran are obviously white supremacists

White n' freckled supremacists

Ginger supremacists

Who the fuckin hell gets off their face on Blue Nun and then starts hollering bullshit while raising a Nazi salute?
Yanks and me nan that's who.

"we should probably ban dogs just in case they influence people to go curbstomp someone"

Who knows, they may end up doing the curbstomping.

he sounds legitimately retarded

I'd never heard of Blue Nun before.

http://thedrakevine.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/7/3/18732112/3906000_orig.jpg?290

I imagine she also attended the benefit gig...

No one will harm anyone else directly because of Anselmo. But if enough people say stupid things like he does, it'll make those beliefs--whether originally displayed in jest or not--seem all the more approproate and rational and THAT is the problem.

If Kanye West stood on stage, and yelled "Black Powah" into the mic, you guys would probably pre-order his next album and then suck his dick backstage. Hypocritical fucks.

Speak for yourself dude.

Black Power ain't quite the same as Nazi supremacy though pal.
There's a subtle difference.

probably not, Kanye is a #FingersInTheBootyAssBitch

I don't like Kanye West.

Plus blacks went through centuries of persecution so yeah it's slightly different.

All about that tongue in the booty...

I wonder what kind of gesture West could do to offend Whites?

"No one will harm anyone else directly because of Anselmo. But if enough people say stupid things like he does, it'll make those beliefs--whether originally displayed in jest or not--seem all the more approproate and rational and THAT is the problem. "

I agree it's a problem I just don't understand what everyone thinks they're gonna change or accomplish by getting bent out of shape on sputnikmusic.com

I met him briefly at a Klan rally and found nothing untowards.

lol

"I wonder what kind of gesture West could do to offend Whites?"

record a David Bowie cover album

If he covers a single song from Blackstar so god help me...

"Black Power ain't quite the same as Nazi supremacy though pal.
There's a subtle difference."

yeah very subtle difference in the history of white power vs. black power

"record a David Bowie cover album"
lmao

Do people even get offended anymore or do they just say their offended in order not to seem offensive?

anyone else see the Key and Peele the other day where the guy named his dog Adolf ("after the Marx brother, man"!) and had a swastika flag ("it's from the set of the producers! comedy history!")? life imitating art.

My dad's racist as hell and a big Pantera fan, so my next conversation with him is sure to be uncomfortable as fuck.
I would begrudgingly accept his "it was an in-joke cause we were drinking white wine" thing, thinking that he's made some progress after he condemned the Confederate flag not too long ago, but taking his rant about white pride and shit from the 90s into consideration...pretty hard to believe at this point. Cowboys From Hell will always rip no matter what stupid "white pride" stuff he says and does, though, so I can't say I'm that upset that Phil Anselmo is most likely pretty racist.

"Let me know when white people have been systematically and societally oppressed"

What about kids growing up in poor communities where the dominant population is not white and you have a kid that isn't accepted because of his color even though he's in the same situation as them but is still never accepted and told he's not accepted (in a much different way than just being told). Not as a society no but individually it happens and continues the racial dividing and poisoning on this world.

Phil seems to be a very cynical fuck. In interviews he's like I'm not racist then does this shit (more than a couple times now). I see this as him trying to be funny and while I don't know the extent to what the inside joke was, I believe it was Phil being Phil.

The fact that he makes a large impression on people and did this at a Dimebag Charity Gig isn't really cool but I have a feeling he just didn't see it like this. He does give off a very tired and irritated response that people are just nitpicking shit he does. If it was someone who wasn't famous, people would just give him a weird look and go about their day but because Phil does it, now he's trying to bring back the The Third Reich.

TL;DR- Phil is Phil and doesn't care what you think.

"I would begrudgingly accept his "it was an in-joke cause we were drinking white wine" thing"

yea that's horseshit

It's the most piss poor excuse ever.

Why the fuck doesn't he just stick to his guns? Not only is the man a total moron he is also soft as shite.

I will never be able to listen to Pantera again.
In Walk when he says "Walk on home, boy," I feel like he is calling ME boy. Like southern masters called the young slaves boy. "I say you there, BOY."
He should be ashamed

What a prick.

If you're gonna be a horrific racist at least stick to your guns, stop fannying around.

Exactly Tuna dude.

'5 minutes alone' was apparently written out of the desperation of wanting just 5 minutes to go to town on a black dude away from the public glare

what Tuna said

Some pretty terrible responses in this thread. The term "white power" has a pretty negative connotation attached to it; there are other ways to show your pride as a Caucasian. Also pretty hard to misinterpret sieg heil. I don't see what part that plays in a joke that was apparently about "white wine". As a Jew, I don't have problems with jokes about our history, but that's not the place to do it. Save it for your friends, not a highly publicized event. That's just dumb and asking for this kind of fallout. Celebrities who pull stunts in 2016 are so dense, thinking they can do this stuff publicly and not have it broadcasted over the Internet the next day with RACIST in big bold letters next to their name. Use some discernment for heavens sake. It's not about being overly sensitive, it's about having some class.

'What about kids growing up in poor communities where the dominant population is not white and you have a kid that isn't accepted because of his color even though he's in the same situation as them but is still never accepted and told he's not accepted (in a much different way than just being told). Not as a society no but individually it happens and continues the racial dividing and poisoning on this world.'

being oppressed as an individual and not by society is called bullying not oppression, although yes it still shouldn't happen

If you're making excuses for a guy Sieg Heil-ing and yelling white power you're probably a huge a chode.

Tuna 4 prez

"forever, the metal herd is extremely reliable when it comes to making excuses for ideologies that have no place in the modern world."

Unfortunately, yeah.

anselmo you are a joke

It doesn't surprise me that he might, in fact, be a racist twat. The dude's given white pride speeches during live sets, for fuck's sake. Whatever, really. Fuck him.

What's absolutely shocking in that vid is the size of the blobby cunt.

"32 times, after that no forgiveness"

lmao

He fulfilled his dream of being either Bebop or Rocksteady.

I grew up in Texas, so I saw this shit all the time. It's honestly pretty commonplace down there, even in Houston where I lived. Lots of Confederate apologists and flag-wavers that claim to simply be "rebel sons" who feel the need to "honor their heritage."

JUST GIVE US

FIVE MINUTES ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Threads like this often make me wonder if there's a single non-white person on this entire site

Thanks for reminding us white people cannot discuss racial issues, Gwyn.

I hope the crowd snapped instead of clapping too so they didn't traumatize anyone

p sure someguest and rosa are black iirc

Regardless of whether or not it was some weird misunderstanding with a wine-related in-joke (it likely wasn't), why the fuck would you pull that shit at a big concert event for your dead former bandmate?

p sure someguest and rosa are black iirc

I'm latina, ya spuds.

redneck metalhead from texas is a racist wow what a surprise

"if the neighbor's dog is responsible for someone murdering someone then there is truly no hope for the human race"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz

rosa's also whiter than the asscheeks of a siberian morbidly obese woman

Pantera is bottom-of-the-barrel Southern "metal" trash. Is anyone REALLY surprised that this is the shit that their members are saying?

Also white wine = white power? How the fuck can you make a joke out of that? Let alone a good one? Complete bullshit excuse.

black or gay whatever

"rosa's also whiter than the asscheeks of a siberian morbidly obese woman"

oh yh that was the irony

i remember now

someguest isn't black and rosa is like the very epitome of the self loathing tumblr gay teenager so I am also pretty certain that he's not black

I mean this is just more proof that the southern half of America is as retarded as it was 50 years ago. Those of you who are shocked haven't been paying much attention. Take a look around once in awhile.

'he's an idiot but he's not hurting anybody'

pretty sure this isn't even able to be filed as a microagression, he literally advocated white supremacy on a stage lmao

Pantera and their fans have always seemed like Southern white trash to me

yt comments are predictable

"I mean this is just more proof that the southern half of America is as retarded as it was 50 years ago. Those of you who are shocked haven't been paying much attention. Take a look around once in awhile."

Truth.

"someguest isn't black and rosa is like the very epitome of the self loathing tumblr gay teenager so I am also pretty certain that he's not black"

how do you people remember this shit?

i keep a dossier for each sputniker

make a list

what does mine read?

*for each notable sputniker

world wildlife fuck

meeting your mating needs since '13

you sure got him haha

oh shit I just got #burned

rip the rainforest

"No apologies from me."

good, public apologies are usually fucking pointless. but he is kind of a dumbass, how would anyone know that it was a joke?

I like not being a notable sputnik user. I just post shit when I think it's worth sharing or if I do an album review I don't think needs to go on the site I normally do reviews for.

well you have a notably shitty username

"White" and "power" are two words in the english language. Since when was there a dictionary police going around banning people from saying these words? Also raising your arm in such a way is also done by basketball players when they do a slamdunk. #JusticeForPhil

show me a video of a basketball player doing a sieg heil you fucking idiot

wow, this is A NEW LEVELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL for him

Wow Satellite you actually fell for it

no one is saying it should be banned

why are reactionaries always so sensitive

Says the dude named after a POD album

well if that was an attempt at humor it was a pretty shitty one so you suck either way

pod 4 lyfe

You sound angry

my cat drank my last old milwaukee

who woulda thunk Lebron was und Nazi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRLdPgxzzTE

Clearly Blob's never touched a basketball or watched a game

Because im white? Thats RACIST sir!

oh shit did you see lebron start to goosestep? he caught himself....

wow apparently it was just a joke that makes it totally okay

Who cares man? It's metal and shit gets started. Phil's right anyway, you should be able to joke and not have everyone get so offended. Besides, if he's racist that's his choice.

i don't care if phil pissed on my mom slaughtered still slaps

A NEWW LEVELLLL [2]

racism may or may not mean the person is a prick, but it ain't illegal. thats discrimination and acting on racism that is

"It was just a joke bro, cool it"
- Adolf Hitler, April 29 1945

I agree with thespirit, it comes down to class. And just like most areas of freedom of speech, he has a right to be a classless dumbass. I really think people blow the "influencing racist" shit out of proportion beyond that. That's the extent to which I care about this

I heard he plays Magic.

what does legality have to do with it

Well I like every single person who plays magic so put me on the Anselmo bandwagon!

"I mean this is just more proof that the southern half of America is as retarded as it was 50 years ago. Those of you who are shocked haven't been paying much attention. Take a look around once in awhile."

Also this is funny. Nothing brings awareness to the idiocy of feelings of racial superiority like.....stereotyping an entire region of people...

fuck this guy, and eat shit if you're genuinely defending him

it's at a charity event too lmao jesus

phil's been a dumbass for like 30 years why is everyone so surprised at this

I've been known to fuck with some Pantera here and there, but seriously, an absolute douche move no matter how you look at it.

i'm sure pantera's non-white fans are outraged over this.

both of them.

actually the guy who introduced me to Pantera like almost ten years ago now is black lmao

so that's half of them

@six
sounds like my dad in that video tbh

Also this is funny. Nothing brings awareness to the idiocy of feelings of racial superiority like.....stereotyping an entire region of people... [2]

'ITT: Sinternet expresses his ignorance about world history.'

where?

OvWhiteprivilege

"redneck metalhead from texas is a racist wow what a surprise"

He's from Louisiana, don't blame it on my state plz

don't mess with texas!

seriously, don't. those people are very sensitive.

what an idiot, just tell them you watched chappelle's show

As a black Pantera/Down fan this entire thread amuses me.

If Kanye West stood on stage, and yelled "Black Powah" into the mic, you guys would probably pre-order his next album and then suck his dick backstage. Hypocritical fucks.

Classic redneck.

There's no way I'm taking seriously anything Anselmo does.

Ignorance is lol.

people are such pussies nowadays

'If Kanye West stood on stage, and yelled "Black Powah" into the mic, you guys would probably pre-order his next album and then suck his dick backstage. Hypocritical fucks.

Classic redneck.'

No, don't be dumb please

Don't be a redneck please

JS19, it's already too late.

I reckon I'd go full on redneck given the opportunity. Confederate flag, truck with a shooter stowed away in the glovebox, the odd but of meth now and again, single closed minded attitude, t-shirt with some complete nonsense slogan, funny hair, belief that I'm hard as fuck but constantly cry at everything, nights on the porch with beers while the wife is indoors cowering in fear.

I mean come on, some of that has to appeal? I bet it's a right laugh.

So his actions are justified because:
1) He has the freedom of speech to say that he likes to actually be superior to anybody different from him and if he could, anyone different should shut up.
2) Because if another person, with different cultural background and racial roots said something similarly stupid, we would support them (jumping into conclusions, much?)
As if many of the anti-oppression victims trying to find their voice in certain parts of the world are the same as this guy or the ''White Power'' movement and ideology.
4) Because it's our fault that we're too sensitive, not his for continuing to support hate and discrimination
5) Because he's a southerner, and ''C'mon, all these guys are douchebags''... Somehow this is a legit response.
6) He was joking.... Yeah, hilarious.
7) He doesn't actually affect anyone. Well, he's got more influence on young teenagers there than you could imagine. It's a famous person and people who like his music, at a specific age, could be influenced by his actions and beliefs. And this is a far more complex than being irritated by a dog.
8) Fuck this guy...

@Zak
Don't forget abusing your children

"Nothing brings awareness to the idiocy of feelings of racial superiority like.....stereotyping an entire region of people..."

yeah cos we wanna gas all rednecks

I want a MOWO (Music of White Origin awards)

wow i never would have guessed he'd be a racist

also predictable that ppl itt are whining about reverse racism™

but mah whiet privlaej, you cant take it from meeeeee! *pew pew pew*

band is absolute shit, nothing but cheap redneck fodder. is this really surprising?

Reverse racism doesn't exist

It's all racism, by definition

the term reverse racism is bullshit

racism is racism

Next time I drink White Wine at a restaurant, I'm goign to start goose-stepping and heiling and use white wine as my defense.

reverse racism doesn't make sense from a sociological perspective

the system is racist because one group of people is oppressed on a systematic basis over its entirety

Reverse racism is an excuse white trash racist scum use to make themselves look like victims.

I hope nobody really thought anything different from him, he has been sketchy forever, or he is just that stupid that he does not realize the ramifications of his actions, and thought it would be cool, that probably makes more sense, since he doesn't look like much of a scholar to me

He just looks like a bald, chubby bastard to be.

reverse racism is apparently what oppressors think of their victims when they try to defend themselves.

reverse racism is a dumb term. racism against whites happens and you'd be foolish to think otherwise, but racism that whites perpetrate is way more widespread and problematic and historically significant

GOOSE-STEP ON HOME, BOY

Oh no, the southern singer from a southern band that has always used southern iconography up to and including a confederate flag turned out to be a bit racist.
Who cares, this at least made me listen to Pantera for the first time in years.
@Evil
Agreed, everyone can be racist and plenty of people are racist against whites, but we have made it into an art from

Ftr there are shit tons of countries where whites are not the race in power (like the one I live in) so thinking so called "Reverse racism" (Dumb fucking term) is non-existent is an unbelievably retarded, american-only view (which I've noticed happens constantly when discussing these topics on the internet, nobody knows what the fuck they're talking when they talk about anything other than the us)

I don't really correlate racism with systematic power but apparently most people do so it was worth pointing out

http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2016-01-29/why-phil-anselmo-s-white-power-outburst-shouldn-t-be-ignored

this happened in America dude tho so I don't think any of that is relevant

nobody is denying white ppl can be discriminated against. reverse racism in this context (usually in internet discussions as you said) refers to when ppl complain about irrelevant dumb shit like "black people have their own music awards, that's wacist!" or my favorite which u usually see in comments sections of stand up routines "if a white person said that they'd be called racist!" almost as if they're more offended by the fact that they can't be as racist than the supposed racist rhetoric lmao

this thread is a perfect example. dude did some dumb neo Nazi shit and we have ppl in here talkin bout "well black people..." . pssh

yeah it's pretty funny. its like when one sibling gets a candy bar and the other one with rotten teeth and gingivitis pulls on his dad's leg, " why can he have a candy bar and I can't? this is so unfair!!!"

I'm not white though so maybe I don't get this particular pain white people must feel at all times.

It's a pain of always being the bad guy, no matter what. No matter the injustice in the world and who is responsible, it is somehow white peoples fault. It wears you down.
This is spiraling off topic though, anyone that is remotely surprised by Phil doing this is delusional. Anyone that says they will stop listening to any of his associated acts is even more so

so white people have rotten teeth and gingivitis? that's RACIST!

so many delicious white tears itt

"If Kanye West stood on stage, and yelled "Black Powah" into the mic, you guys would probably pre-order his next album and then suck his dick backstage. Hypocritical fucks."

lol shut the fuck up

"It's a pain of always being the bad guy, no matter what. No matter the injustice in the world and who is responsible, it is somehow white peoples fault. It wears you down.
This is spiraling off topic though, anyone that is remotely surprised by Phil doing this is delusional. Anyone that says they will stop listening to any of his associated acts is even more so"

agreed

A bustle in your Afro

must be rough dealing with inconsequential subconscious opinions that have no bearing on ur quality of life

wow check this from Rob Flynn on the subject...since he was there.....incase you want to make excuses for Anselmo




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=fCBKzWg4WYo

Did this omega cringelord really censor the words white power in the description?

"must be rough dealing with inconsequential subconscious opinions that have no bearing on ur quality of life"

did you know blacks and other ethnic minorities are capable of racially-driven hate crimes too? crazy right, reality is nuts

so that makes it ok agreed

yeah that's exactly what I said

do you even know what he was talking about

"I'll never play a Pantera song as long as I live."
Jesus dude. He made some good points, but it's shit like this that is insane. You can't hold the rest of the band accountable. You have to separate the man from the music. If Phil is a racist douche, okay don't like Phil. You can still like Pantera. I think Varg is a total wacko, I still love Burzum to death.

dup post

I respect Rob Flynn so much more now.

yeah i mean i listen to prussian blue but i separate their politics from their music

Me too man, I never really gave a fk about Flynn he just went massively up in my estimation

wasn't implying they're not ford. hate crimes are a different kettle of fish, I was alluding more to systematic oppression that affect lives on a more widespread and lasting basis than discrete hate crimes that anyone can be a victim of at any random time

yes i know what he's talking about. and lol @ people itt who wont listen to pantera because phil's racist but listen to nsbm on a regular basis

I mean Mustaine's a total cringelord but Megadeth is still good

flynns a real one for that. shit, might have to dust off a machine head record just for that

I'll admit it was a good video in many ways. He is calling out Phil for lying and saying there was no white wine, he spoke very eloquently, and I respect him more after the vid for sure.
But he is lumping the entire metal community together, saying there is no place for this or that or another thing in the community at large. He is trying to speak for some pretty fucking radically different genres that he isn't a part of and condemning the music of people he doesn't agree with socially or politically. Absu is racist, Varg is racist, they still make great music I will continue to listen to.
Some dude from a North American nu-thrash metal band can't really say what is or isn't okay for people that listen to predominately BM or DM on the other side of the world for example.

Bottom line, Phil is a racist. Phil is a douche. This has been known for god knows how long now. Move on and continue listening to Pantera if you want, but don't act like you are putting your foot down by condemning a guy people have known is racist for a good 20 years now

"wasn't implying they're not ford. hate crimes are a different kettle of fish, I was alluding more to systematic oppression that affect lives on a more widespread and lasting basis than discrete hate crimes that anyone can be a victim of at any random time"

oh ok. well I kind of got the impression that you were implying that that mentality has no effect on racial tensions in the world, which it completely does

small eggs compared to the history of what whites have perpetrated for sure, but that doesn't justify it or dismiss it

man he hit the nail on the head on ppls lame ass reactions. pc this, liberal that lol stfu

dup post man shit

justify what tho ford? I honestly don't get where it coming from

u know what has an effect on racial tensions tho? celebrities sieg heilin and yelling white power and shit

Nazz said whites are most often perceived as "the bad guys" in racial tensions modern day and it always being the white man's fault, regardless of actual fault

you said "must be rough dealing with inconsequential subconscious opinions that have no bearing on ur quality of life"

implying that that mentality is justified/dismissed

You know what would defuse those tensions? Collectively accepting Phil is a racist that GENERALLY keeps it under control but had an outburst. Condemn him, say it was stupid. And if people ask "well why was he there then, he is a big racist meanie!" Well, its Dimebash. He was in a band with Dime. They were playing songs he played with Dime.
If someone is a known racist and has a racist outburst, it kinda takes away the shock factor of said outburst.

This is just turning into this huge thing it doesn't need to be. The story should just be "Drunk racist southern guy says racist thing at event in honor of dead band mate from southern band with southern iconography who has had outbursts like this for 20 years."

All that should happen from this is mainstream guys like Dave should go, "hey uh, I won't be playing with Phil anymore after this."

never forgive
never forget

"It wouldn't surprise me if Phil were racist but I know Phil is extremely cynical from interviews and we live in an era where nobody can understand cynicism unless blatantly stated "the following line will be a joke!""

wtf are you talking about, this era is crammed with kids (and old people) that are cynical af.

well yeah that would be the case if people weren't lowkey trying to justify what he did by saying shit like "if a black person said black power...."

he's a racist and does dumb shit cuz he's dumb, end of story agreed

"well yeah that would be the case if people weren't lowkey trying to justify what he did by saying shit like "if a black person said black power...."

but that's not what you were responding to. you were responding to a perfectly reasonable post devoid of racism or historically ignorant racial motivations

"Look at all the hypcorties in here. Asian Power-ok, black power-ok, mexican power ok, white power-not ok?"

i've been surrounded by asians my entire life, and i've never heard anyone or anything mention anything to the likes of "asian power!" (black power a few times, sure). asians, in america certainly have a sense of camaraderie, are stupidly nationalistic otherwise, and have a long history of hating on one another arbitrarily (and even themselves) much akin to the state of european nations 500+ years ago.

also never heard anything about mexican power either. like where did you get this, even?

"This is just turning into this huge thing it doesn't need to be. The story should just be "Drunk racist southern guy says racist thing at event in honor of dead band mate from southern band with southern iconography who has had outbursts like this for 20 years."

This justifies literally nothing. Every reasonable member of the metal community should condemn him for this. This has an extremely bad influence on the perception of the mainstream media on the metal community. And I don't want people thinking I'm a racist because a drunk fucklord was onstage talking racist bullshit.

I just don't get all this outrage and people trying to analyze the metal community.
It was Phil, who has been documented as saying racist stupid shit since the early 90's. What happens when they start looking at BM? Are they going to boycott the next Absu release?

It doesn't need to be justified. It doesn't need to be condemned. Oh no, the mainstream media has a negative view on the metal community, that's only been happening since the fucking 70's.
Phil is a racist. That is evident now more than ever. That doesn't take away from the few great Pantera records. Here I am defending the music when I am barely a fan of 2 of their albums lol. A normal person should look at what Phil did/said and go, "well that was dumb. What a racist prick." Not, "OH MY GOD, WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE ENTIRE METAL COMMUNITY, WHICH BY THE WAY COVERS FANS OF BANDS FROM BLACK SABBATH UP TO ROTTING CHRIST, BECAUSE THOSE FANS ARE TOTALLY THE SAME THING. ALSO STOP LISTENING TO ANY BANDS THAT HAVE EVER HAD A RACIST MEMBER EVER." It's retarded.

idgaf about Phil, he's dumb and his views are dumb and he should shut up, and idgaf about the mainstream community's view of the metal community. there will always be some reason for them to think poorly of us

"It doesn't need to be justified. It doesn't need to be condemned. Oh no, the mainstream media has a negative view on the metal community, that's only been happening since the fucking 70's."

really more like the 80s, but a lot of that is because of the way the metal community presents itself. yeah lot of people take the whole devil worship, anti-christian, racist shit in stride and along with the joke, but many aren't joking.

Nah, people thought Black Sabbath were satanic from day 1.

It 100% needs to be condemned. Just be Be in a racist band and play for Racist fans then fine everyone knows the score. Saying its a 'white wine joke'??? Playing fucking Dimebash with a bunch of musicians who clearly dont share your views (and maybe some do) and you should be called out for being the massive dickhead that you are.

well yeah, but metal became pretty mainstream for a bit in 70/80s, didn't it?

"Not, "OH MY GOD, WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE ENTIRE METAL COMMUNITY, WHICH BY THE WAY COVERS FANS OF BANDS FROM BLACK SABBATH UP TO ROTTING CHRIST, BECAUSE THOSE FANS ARE TOTALLY THE SAME THING. ALSO STOP LISTENING TO ANY BANDS THAT HAVE EVER HAD A RACIST MEMBER EVER." It's retarded."

I just said I separate music from members, but you can't just pull this shit and have people act like "Oh well Phill's being Phill again, that silly boy"

'oh good old phil with his onstage sieg heils...so cute'

Yeah for a bit but even when metal was mainstream there were people terrified of it and trying to censor the ever living shit out of it. You also had extreme metal starting to form in the 80's which terrified the mainstream

"Nazz said whites are most often perceived as "the bad guys" in racial tensions modern day and it always being the white man's fault, regardless of actual fault

you said "must be rough dealing with inconsequential subconscious opinions that have no bearing on ur quality of life"

implying that that mentality is justified/dismissed"

it was a response to the justification for why people bring up reverse racism in incidents like this. so ppl think ur the bad guy even when ur not so it's ok to excuse incidents like this? I don't get it, but that seems to be the implication. like, that's the extent of racism ur complaining about, forreal? we're comparing subjective opinions (unfortunately backed up by history) that may or may not affect 'racial tensions' to actions and actual real, quantifiable discrimination, word?

it's like me going up to a starving kid in some 5th world country and telling him "it's really grating that the waiter at this 5 star restaurant that I go to always brings my filet mignon 5 mins late" *sigh*

nobody's excusing this tho

well I mean some people are but that's not who I'm defending

If anyone is excusing this, they are retarded. If anyone is overly condemning this, they are also retarded, but less so because their heart is in the right place.
The correct response to this is going "Oh, Phil is still racist. And now he is lying about it. Doucher."

no, the correct response is to condemn and shut down these incidents to the point where whoever said it never gets an ounce of respect ever again

people can change tho

not saying he will but ya know

He also could put out an amazing album. Not saying he will. He probably wont.

never really even been crazy about pantera. dimebag was great but overall the music was like 3-3.5 at best for me

"'I was there and I could tell you there wasn't a chardonnay or a pinot grigio in sight backstage. In fact, the only thing that you were drinking, Phil Anselmo, was Becks German beer. Maybe that's where the joke came from?'

Flynn also revealed that earlier in the night, he spoke to Anselmo and within five minutes Anselmo told Flynn that he 'hated the n*gger era of Machine Head,' and he hated the sound and the look. Flynn also mentioned that during 'A New Level,' he noticed Anselmo again do the sieg heil and mouth 'white power.'"

Goddamn, Phil really fucked himself this time.

Yeah, they are decent. I really don't get the diehard Pantera fans at all

evilford has been spot-on this entire time

given his incidents in the past, I don't even know why people had any respect left for him before this

RESPECT! WALK!

Because we (I never heard of it) didn't know, and noone talked about it

true I guess I meant more like the people who have heard this kind of (or even worse) stuff from him in the past and were still wary of whether he was ok or not

I now have a hell of a lot more respect for Rob Flynn than I ever thought he deserved.
Kudos to him, that took some balls.

Although in all fairness,
http://www.metalsucks.net/2016/01/29/photo-phil-anselmo-was-drinking-white-wine-the-night-of-dimebash/
Still, Anselmo is and always has been a racist prick and this doesn't really change anything. For all we know, this could've been taken after the incident anyways.

Yeah, dude's being saying enough nasty things for years.

"given his incidents in the past, I don't even know why people had any respect left for him before this"
people probably thought he might've been changing cause of this

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/phil-anselmo-on-confederate-flag-i-dont-want-anything-to-do-with-it-20150713

"It's a pain of always being the bad guy, no matter what. No matter the injustice in the world and who is responsible, it is somehow white peoples fault. It wears you down."

l O l

and people say lefties are oversensitive

I didn't know I implied I leaned right or left at any point in my time on Sputnik, thank you for pointing out political beliefs that aren't there.

You sound very right-wing dude

I was mistaken for a kosovan and pushed about a bit once, it was fucking hilarious.

It's like that Jon Lovitz scene in "Rat Race".

Well, I'm not right wing. You know its possible to be of one political belief system but have thoughts that are usually attributed to another. The more you knooooooooooooow

"I didn't know I implied I leaned right or left at any point in my time on Sputnik, thank you for pointing out political beliefs that aren't there."

lol pretty much

Am I the only one that noticed BlackKapes calling Jews a "minority?"

"I didn't know I implied I leaned right or left at any point in my time on Sputnik, thank you for pointing out political beliefs that aren't there."

>didn't say you were right wing
>over-sensitive. again

"You know its possible to be of one political belief system but have thoughts that are usually attributed to another. The more you knooooooooooooow"

I see the same mentalities cropping up so I categorise them accordingly for practicality

"Am I the only one that noticed BlackKapes calling Jews a "minority?""

i think i speak for all of us when i say we don't pay any attention to what blackkapes says

">wasn't commenting on you
>over-sensitive. again"

oh, it looks like that's exactly who you were commenting on. who were you commenting on then?

you just contradicted yourself. you said that he wasn't who you were commenting on, yet you confirmed that he was who you were originally talking about by saying "again"

wait, I meant i didn't see he was right wing

you implied that w/ your "and I thought lefties" comment

I did not imply that.

his thinking is that of most conservatives I hear, so I can assume he is one anyway, but frankly it's irrelevant

so what exactly does the comment "and people say lefties are oversensitive" after you quoted him imply then?

How the fuckin hell do you people communicate face to face with others in real life? It must be a constant stream of one-way contradictory opinions. Mental.

"so what exactly does the comment "and people say lefties are oversensitive" after you quoted him imply then?"

people that hold those kinds of opinions correlate with those that accuse leftists/liberals of white guilt/cuckism/etc

"How the fuckin hell do you people communicate face to face with others in real life? It must be a constant stream of one-way contradictory opinions. Mental."

adaption

lol. ok

what a thread

what a thread [2]

what a thread [3]

I'd like to say I am surprised by it but...

what a thread [4]

Should've never submitted the news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBKzWg4WYo

Has been linked earlier somewhere in here

Couldn't care less about this. It's not like anyone mistook Phil for a good guy anyways. His biggest sin is that the vast majority of his music sucks.

@crypt you shouldve seen this coming.

Read a bit more of this thread. I think it's a bit hard to act like one is drawing a line in the sand on this issue as a metal fan. Metal as a genre has provided a platform for all kinds of characters including murderers, arsonists, rapists, and other racist bands. Let alone the anti-religious imagery that is clearly offensive to many that the hordes of fans love to gleefully scream out at shows.

I'm not white, and I used to struggle with the idea that some of my favourite artists probably wish I didn't exist. But over time I've decided that I'm comfortable separating art from the artist. If any of these people does something over the line, the law in their respective country will deal with them, but it doesn't necessarily take away from the work they've done in their lifetimes.

In this case, I agree with TheSpirit above that its really a lack of class and a lack of discretion. No one is surprised that Phil is a racist, or an idiot, or an alcoholic, or a junkie, or just generally an asshole. I can understand why a guy like Robb Flynn is upset being associated with those views when he doesn't share them. But do I think this is a big deal warranting the internet shitstorm its elicted - absolutely not. Fans can always vote with their wallets, the law can deal with actual crimes, and I have absolutely no interest in censoring any of the bizarre or unsavoury characters in metal.

Of course some special snowflake out there had to be offended.. fucking pussies

'@crypt you shouldve seen this coming.'

Didn't expect this amount of edgelords who defend Phil


'Of course some special snowflake out there had to be offended.. fucking pussies'

Yeah fuck the fact he makes a gesture indicating loyalty to an ideology who wants to cleans the world of every other ethnic group. Or that he sympathizes with the people who manages to kill 11 million civilians and POW's

Deicide - Kill the Christian

and I have absolutely no interest in censoring any of the bizarre or unsavoury characters in metal.

We shouldn't censor them so much as we should collectively boooo hsssssssss them until they shut up.

it was just a bit of banter lads

It's just a joke, have you ever gotten drunk with some friends and started laughing at stupid shit? Everyone needs to complain about everything, this shit drives me up a fucking wall

shouting white power is just a meme. like everyone shouting allah akbar all the time

^

hitler was just trying to go viral

https://youtu.be/RhBU_jy7x60?t=1m6s

All Shall Perish and Darkest Hour have now condemned Anselmo. Gonna be seeing a lot more of this in the coming days.

"Read a bit more of this thread. I think it's a bit hard to act like one is drawing a line in the sand on this issue as a metal fan. Metal as a genre has provided a platform for all kinds of characters including murderers, arsonists, rapists, and other racist bands. Let alone the anti-religious imagery that is clearly offensive to many that the hordes of fans love to gleefully scream out at shows.

I'm not white, and I used to struggle with the idea that some of my favourite artists probably wish I didn't exist. But over time I've decided that I'm comfortable separating art from the artist. If any of these people does something over the line, the law in their respective country will deal with them, but it doesn't necessarily take away from the work they've done in their lifetimes.

In this case, I agree with TheSpirit above that its really a lack of class and a lack of discretion. No one is surprised that Phil is a racist, or an idiot, or an alcoholic, or a junkie, or just generally an asshole. I can understand why a guy like Robb Flynn is upset being associated with those views when he doesn't share them. But do I think this is a big deal warranting the internet shitstorm its elicted - absolutely not. Fans can always vote with their wallets, the law can deal with actual crimes, and I have absolutely no interest in censoring any of the bizarre or unsavoury characters in metal."

This dude fucking gets it

Everyone judges from where he comes from. From what family, country or era. I want to tell you this. This is NOT ok if you are coming from a country that you have lived a Nazi war, and the aftermath of it, it's NOT ok if you have lived what "white power" has done to people. We lived this "white fucking power" in Europe. The white over the other white. Irony right? So this is no joke. He knew. So for everyone who applauses this shit, he takes what it diserves, a place in the bottom of the well.

Rob Flynn Hits it hard.

Rob Flynn is one of the nicest people in metal right now, good on him for having the balls to make that video.

Yeah, and his voice is so smooth. He says good things in a good manner. Excellent.
And no, people shouldn't treat Phil or any other idiot like ''Oh, it's Anselmo doing his things again.'' It's dangerous, because it shows tolerance. Tolerating such behaviours, or even thinking of them as funny situations is a first step to accepting them.

I know I'm in the minority when I say this but Phil seemed like he was drunk off his ass and I don't think I know anyone who hasn't said something offensive/told an offensive joke while they're drunk so I don't get the big deal, especially since he's been saying offensive shit for a long time, why is everyone getting all SJW now?

Well, many people don't say such bullshit when drunk. Also, differentiate between offensive and downright filthy ideology.

I've never been on a racist, anti semitic rant whenever I've been drunk (and I don't know anyone that has) so that's not an excuse

I have, and I freely admit I was grossly ignorant.

I still don't get why people think the phrase 'SJW' is in anyway negative.

Because they can be equally as ignorant

Dumb metal guy does dumb thing and people are surprised? lol

if u never sieg heil'd when u were drunk before ur obvs a liar and a sjw

300+ comments lmao sputnik

probably been stated but we all listen to Pantera for Dimebag's riffs not this loser

saint overload itt

Dime and Vinnie Paul laid out on a black security guard at a Damageplan gig once tbf and shouted all kinds of abuse at him cos he wouldn't let one of their friends who lost his pass through. He was just doing his job and if more security guards were like that back then, maybe Dime would still be alive.

As a side note I've seen Mnemic, Tengger Cavalry and Ektomorf also weigh in against Anselmo today. The names are piling up but it's gonna take a REALLY big name before people start to admit there's a problem.

I think Rob Flynn is a REALLY big name.

Yeah but not to Pantera fans. I've seen some of them openly admit to not knowing a single MH song and being proud of it despite describing themselves as "metal connoisseurs". These are the people you've got to drill it into.

have to laugh at all these "names" coming out on twitter or youtube or whatever and coming out against Anselmo. they just trying to cover their own backs. they are scared of judgment from social justice warriors from twitter.

"hey, here is a good chance to let twitter know we aint racist!"

Finally watched Flynn's video and he's amazingly well-spoken.


And it definitely changes things that he's been making racist remarks and shouting white power onstage and doing the nazi whatever thing for decades now.

Also Bigblob, shut your dumb ass up, no one's obligated to say shit about this

"Also Bigblob, shut your dumb ass up,"

shocking verbal abuse. Im going to do a youtube vid saying how disgusted I am with you

the same rob flynn that was rapping and wearing kani?

he addressed that in the video, and I burst out laughing

Which bitch said that we only listen to pantera for the riffs? Get out of here if you don't think anselmo was one of the greatest front men and singers of all time

Was jamming DOWN today

"Which bitch said that we only listen to pantera for the riffs? Get out of here if you don't think anselmo was one of the greatest front men and singers of all time"

lmfao

get off his nuts

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gShmJV2BSr0

Anselmo's response.

ffs Phil has bottled it

" I've seen some of them openly admit to not knowing a single MH song"

your first mistake was assuming Pantera fans had decent taste in metal.

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lol

coming from zaruyache lol

don't shoot 'til u see the whites

'shoot the whites'

fixed

The white teenager who thinks he's enlightened for not using reddit has spoken

maybe i should have put an /s

"have to laugh at all these "names" coming out on twitter or youtube or whatever and coming out against Anselmo. they just trying to cover their own backs. they are scared of judgment from social justice warriors from twitter. "

all shall perish are outspoken communists

stop chatting so much shit

"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gShmJV2BSr0"

lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1seyAkxO1s