man I fucking love these guys. song of the year

rules

angriest shit theyve done in forever. keith is pissed

I haven't listened to any of the singles. Going to wait until the album is out.

My favorite song so far

Never got the hype for this band tbh

They are only one of the best core bands on the planet but yeah

Planet Piss reference?

Least of the 4 new ones, but it's fine.

release the goddamn album

Absolutely monstrous. 5/5 on songs on this so far.

It just doesn’t hit with the same raw evil as a song like Underwater Bimbos from Outer Space off of Ex Lives. Pretty good though. Definitely waiting on the record to see how it fits into the whole picture.

release the goddamn album [2]

was decent/good, thinkin this record will be a 3 or 3.5

This is so great

"It just doesn’t hit with the same raw evil as a song like Underwater Bimbos from Outer Space off of Ex Lives."

I friggin luv ex lives but boy do u even fpu?

"Never got the hype for this band tbh"
Lol yeah nevermind bloc. How can one dig Johnny Booth f.e. and then do not get where it came from XD

"They are only one of the best core bands on the planet but yeah"
Totally, I see etid, converge and tdep as some sort of big 3 in that core thing. You may see it as stretch.


Btw holding heroically and saving myself from checking any single. Hell yeah.

From Parts Unknown is their heaviest for sure. Was obsessed with that shit in college.

Its the evilest tho

Ex lives is legit my favorite etid

lyrics are a little on the nose, but this rules as always. band is unbelievably consistent

pretty good. not like, incredible the way the first 3 were but we'll see what album context/more spins does for it since i only heard it once. defo better than post boredom tho which i still think is just alright

Fuckin rules. Band never misses.

"Planet Shit"

That must be where these guys record their albums

the tattoos on your left arm are hands down the worst I’ve ever seen. not even exaggerating

Dude really hates your tattoo lmao

he has like a dozen of them on his left arm that he did himself but is too ashamed to show anyone

I agree with the sentiment in the lyrics, and the song rules as always

dont punk bands generally lean left?
no one should be surprised when they make a a track about corporate greed
song fucking rips btw

cringe af

People seem to really like this band. Guess it's time for me to check them.

that kinda surprises me given i mostly see you in mxc threads

band is legendary im sure youll dig them at least somewhat

This is gonna be AOTY, easy.

RIFFS

"that kinda surprises me given i mostly see you in mxc threads"

Yea I get why it would seem like that. Ive heard there name thrown around plenty of times, but I didn't grow up a scene kid so I'm not super cultured in that regard.

Saving all other singles until the album drops considering we got two way too early. So far I'm impressed but it's easy to be they never disappoint.

Cool song. Will always love this band. Don't really wanna see them go political tho, yeah fuck the state of this world. But I listen to ETID to remove myself from that negativity

"was decent/good, thinkin this record will be a 3 or 3.5"

Yeah not quite bud, instrumentally it fuckin smacks

Also, if you think this is heavy, listen to "Cities and Years" off The Big Dirty. 5/5

Unsurprisingly it slaps, album will be amazing! Came aboard when gutter came out and been a fan ever since. Will always be one of my favorite bands.

the big 3 in metalcore will always be botch, converge and DEP but ya this band is definitely great

botch is also def one of the big ones, despite the short run and the somewhat little more underground course. Oh and def seminal af

"Don't really wanna see them go political tho"

Radical is gonna be mostly political from what I've read

This is the first track I'm avoiding listening to, I've already heard too much. Oct 22 can't come soon enough

"Don't really wanna see them go political tho"

lmao hardcore is literally a political genre

Whatever...keith s lyrics always shred, political or not, I don t care

“Don't really wanna see them go political tho”

Are you mentally deficient big man?

"Never got the hype for this band tbh"

Same, bloc. It's decent but their stuff never grabbed me. Track name is dumb.

""was decent/good, thinkin this record will be a 3 or 3.5"

Yeah not quite bud, instrumentally it fuckin smacks"

yeah I mean it's just not as good as you say it is, but I'm not going to argue with a guy who calls himself toolbag and 5'd Ire Works

"I don't wanna see them go political"

Have you even listened to these dudes?

hardcore and anarchism/leftism are basically interchangeable, aside from dogshit like Skrewdriver

"yeah I mean it's just not as good as you say it is, but I'm not going to argue with a guy who calls himself toolbag and 5'd Ire Works"

actually lol'd

“Don't really wanna see them go political tho”
lmao

Band has never been political. Always been a fun band. Yeah I called myself toolbag because all of us are. Tool lovers!

Plenty of hardcore bands have shit views. Just scream about anti establishment and partying already

Also, ire works is a 5 no doubt. Don't @ me son.

“hardcore and anarchism/leftism are basically interchangeable” Even as an anarcho-commie punk rocker that wishes this were true, it’s not. Lots of hardcore bands, especially hardcore hardcore and not punk hardcore, barely have politics at all. Or at least they don’t make their music about it. Then you have unfortunate sects of the greater community like the White Nationalist skinheads and Rock Against Communism. Even Bad Brains used to be homophobes. Leftist types gravitate towards punk and hardcore for sure, but there’s a lot more grey area to it. And then you have the snakes who virtue signal progressive shit but are still shitheels anyway lol. And people that don’t really give a fuck one way or the other and don’t really even care about the music that much, it’s just a party for them.

they can do better than that cringe song title

Who cares if the song rips

All im saying is, this kind of music should be a cathartic release from politics and bullshit. However, I think this song takes an obvious side if you read the lyrics. I'm fine with that, actually on that side. But again. ETID has always been a fun escape from that bullshit for me.

Politics aren’t bullshit though. They directly affect peoples’ lives from day to day. Politicized art makes perfect sense, though I think there are plenty of good and bad examples. Idk and trying to run from politics seems to me like denial. Sometimes shit just needs to be discussed and a stance needs to be taken and apparently ETID feel the same.

"Politics aren’t bullshit"

you sure about that man?

art is not inspired by " Politics". art is inspired by the soul of the individual.

yes, art can be created as a protest against politics. and that's fine. i dont tend to like those albums

etid has always existed in this fun, anti-everything attitude and i liked that, nothing phased them

Lmao yes. What is your worldview if not your politics? Even being apolitical is a political stance. Politicians are full of shit, sure, but the very concept of politics is pretty neutral. I guess politics are bullshit when they’re more about power than good.

i hear what you saying, so as an American, i dont like Biden or Trump.. is that a political statement or reality of the world. Anarchy isn't a political party, it's on the 180degree of that

It’s absolutely a political statement and one I’d wholeheartedly agree with. And anarchism is actually totally a political party, it just hasn’t been given its due credit as one since around the 1930s. I’m a full blown activist asshole these days so I read about these things.

well, keep it up

There s certainly a Planet of shit out there. Even if you live in a crystal palace and only want to look up and ignore all the shit around.

truth brother, i think we're actually living on it unfortunately

anarchy is not a political party... look up the definition

anarchy is complete absence of politics

all for it

shit band

Anarchy is just the antithesis of hierarchy, which is what our societies are unfortunately built upon. Maybe because humans are still just animals that vie for resources and territory. It’s a common misconception that anarchy means no rules, anything goes. With anarchy, people, as true equals, would deliberate from one person to the next and agree on how society should look, as well enabling the next person to be capable and holding one another accountable at the same time, even without law as we know it. An anarchist society would still be a society and could be a more just one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Google says “regarded as a political ideal”

No government =/= no politics

anarchy is gay

lol If anarchy is gay then just call me Lil Nas X

you can't be an anarchist unless you can recite the monologue from v for vendetta in one breath

V for Vendetta = neckbeard anarchy

Not my anarchy, king

V: Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished.

How did you use all those v-words without mentioning vagina once

Which proves what the other dude said

"anarchy is gay"

bufallo

Which proves what the other dude said

"anarchy is gay"

Which proves what the other dude said

"anarchy is gay"

Oooh shit, cellphone went wiiild

Which proves what the other dude said

"anarchy is gay"

Fuck off "get low"

“anarchy is gay”
you say that like it’s a bad thing

And Keith is a self described socialist. If you don’t fuck with that then pack your shit and get out.
Go listen to Ted Nugent or some other dog shit

Ted nugent and people like him are sub human mongrels

Also didnt he feign psychosis to get out of vietnam lol

he shit his pants to get out of Vietnam
Which, honestly I’d respect that move since it was such a bullshit war but he’s all about right wing patriotism so fuck him

“With anarchy, people, as true equals, would deliberate from one person to the next and agree on how society should look, as well enabling the next person to be capable and holding one another accountable at the same time, even without law as we know it.“

lmao this sounds completely unworkable in group sizes bigger than 5

lol You’ve got no faith in anarchy and I have no faith in capitalism I guess.

Knew this thread would turn into some political argument eventually.

Oh well

"lol You’ve got no faith in anarchy and I have no faith in capitalism I guess."

I don't have faith in capitalism, whatever that is. I do think trading is just an emergent property of human group behavior though

Would that go away in anarchistic society or any society at all? No? Capitalism’s driving incentive is purely profit though. Nothing else.

i don't know what this

"With anarchy, people, as true equals, would deliberate from one person to the next and agree on how society should look, as well enabling the next person to be capable and holding one another accountable at the same time, even without law as we know it."

has to do with capitalism

what you described is an operational and psychological utopia, not an economic one

"How did you use all those v-words without mentioning vagina once"

because they all dry up the second they see the guy fawkes mask

I’m not calling it a utopia, you are. There are surely separate, new issues that would have to be handled in a society like that. All of this is to say I think anarchy is cool and possible if people worked long and hard to agree on it, especially because societies have existed that way in the past, like Makhnovshchina. They were happy with what they were doing, the Soviets just wouldn’t leave them be. And the current state of things sucks. And the reason anarchy is even in the discussion is because it was Mr. Bag mentioned it earlier as part of a seemingly entirely different discussion. Are we even arguing rn? lol What are we talking about?

This thread flew off a fucking cliff. Song still slaps though.

yeah capitalism is working just fucking great
What’s the homeless population again? How many fucking starving kids are there?
Imagine liking this shit and being pro cap.
Fucking idiot

God forbid people not starve. Jesus fucking christ

@million, we are definitely not arguing. I’m laughing at your described kindergarten fantasy about organizational behavior and you brought up capitalism for unclear reasons

@wildcard, imagine not being able to read

"V for Vendetta = neckbeard anarchy"

This is the only flavor of anarchy I have encountered.

@Itwasthafwas: Yes, so you’re doing that funny sput-thing where you try to belittle me without an argument or a platform. Sweet. I love how making an effort to get along with your fellow human being means kindergarten to you lol

Which proves what the other dude said

"anarchy is gay"

so many v's and no vagina

Verily.

vasectomy

@million my platform is reality. What do you argue about with someone who says they love sunshine and rainbows? you’re certainly ready for your next beauty pageant interview

Makes you just look lazy lol. Or stupid, one. Acting self important and superior with nothing to back it up but completely surface level jabs that convey nothing at all. You can look in the mirror and tell yourself you did a good job today!

Again

"With anarchy, people, as true equals, would deliberate from one person to the next and agree on how society should look, as well enabling the next person to be capable and holding one another accountable at the same time, even without law as we know it."

What is there to argue with here? You didn’t suggest anything actionable, just that everyone is going to magically agree in your anarchic paradise with no hierarchy.

What’s the largest scale event or organization you’ve had to run operations for? People don’t behave like this and even if they magically did, systems and hierarchies emerge to enable quick decision making, serving the same purpose your glial cells do. You’re basically advocating for societal multiple sclerosis

First of all, ALL I was doing was explaining it to someone that clearly doesn’t know what it is. You don’t either though. Probably fundraising and getting local music shows set up are the biggest events I’ve had to work on, personally, but in the nonprofit organization I work for and in the music scene, we all collaborate and defer to one another to get things done. And even if I’m directing people, with music stuff or work stuff,
I never treat them like I’m their boss or their superior. You are the one repeatedly saying utopia or paradise where I’ve said no such thing. Anarchy doesn’t mean no leadership ever, either. People would to defer to others in scenarios where it made the most sense, and follow the lead of those who were most qualified in a particular area for a particular task. You should read about mutualism in nature and mutualism in society. Look up mutual aid. You’re still not actually saying anything btw. I don’t know how to make you believe that people can literally just work together cause they feel like it without hierarchy holding them to it. Maybe your brain is small and smooth and you can’t do that, idk you. I can though. And I know other people that do.

Operational structures could even be temporary or collapsible or fluid, so to speak. And in a mutual aid community/network, that’s often the case. We’d pool our collective resources. You take point where it makes the most sense, I take point where it makes the most sense. Like if we were collaborating on making arguments, I’d take the lead cause I’m obviously better at it than you, right? lol

can we all agree that karl marx was a cool dude

Nice beard

LMAO what is this thread even?

>systems and hierarchies emerge to enable quick decision making
>You take point where it makes the most sense, I take point where it makes the most sense.

Sounds like you guys agree that hierarchies serve a purpose.

Those just aren’t the same sentiments at all though. Every group task would be a ground floor democratic process in how to establish that fluid structure and accomplish those goals within the structure. When I think “systems & hierarchies” in the context he was using, I think capitalism and caste systems and Jim Crow and bosses and monarchs and other bullshit of that nature. Would absolutely not be replicated in the blueprint I’m talking about, though anarchy is indeed a system. Every time I let my friend plan a trip that we go on, am I making myself subservient to them or are we just working together a different way?

Unfortunately ppl don t order if there s no order. That was my wish.

Some deep thoughts around here. Take that rym!

Lmao

You guys hear about the swollen balls thing with Nikki Minaj's cousins friend? Fucking nuts.

is nuts supposed to be a pun cuz nice

It was a teste and you passed.

Anybody in the pit when they play this song should have to sign safety release forms

lyrics rule