anyone still following these guys?

I have a friend who won't shut up about them.

I'll check this out later. Maybe. Idk. Probably not lol.

oh how I loathe this TbK project...

Smashing Pumpkins? More like Billy Corgan & Friends.

After not listening to the songs of Teargarden for over a year, I hear this & my faith in it has been renewed. Gonna download this sometime, along with some of the others.

Am I the only one who thought Zeitgeist was actually good?

I gave up on these guys after Adore. I didn't like Adore before either but they still seem to be in a better musical place on that album

Zeitgeist was decent, the first half of it anyways. I still throw on Tarantula to get pumped

"Am I the only one who thought Zeitgeist was actually good?"

Nope, I loved Zeitgeist, minus Pomp & Circumstances obviously.

I bet this is terrible.

Edit: Misspoke, it ain't terrible.. it's just not worth listening too.

Ok, i actually DID listen to this.

letsgofishing pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I loved these guys, but stopped really paying attention after Mellon Collie. I kind of do like this song, though...

band died in 1995 as far as i'm concerned

band died in 1995 as far as i'm concerned

Not bad. The Teargarden songs have ranged from pretty good to terrible.

zeitgeist was good i thought. And this song is ok. I really like some of the teargarden songs.

Wasn't this band supposed to have released more songs by now?

This isn't bad but I don't like how his voice sounds on everything since Adore. Nothing really standout about the song.

One of the best things in my life would be for the original 4 to play together but I know that will never happen.

I actually really really like this song.

dude this song was legit

It's really sad that everyone is kind of ignoring this album so far...with the exception of Widow Wake My Mind it's pretty awesome. A Song for a Son, Astral Planes, Freak, Tom Tom, The Fellowship and Lightning Strikes are all pretty amazing, imo. It's just kind of sad that everyone blows the band off because Zeitgeist sucked so fucking bad and because Billy's such a douche, because live and on record, this band is in top shape at the moment.

No, you're wrong.

new song sucks a dick

also adore is an excellent album, and even machina had its moments. SP died in 2001.

It just sounds like Billys heart isn't in it anymore. I think in his head, he's as passionate as ever, but deep down, he's already had his time to shine, but just doesn't know what to do with his life so he's keeping up the charade of SP

Admittedly, I was pretty underwhelmed by the Teargarden project initially...especially after hearing songs like Song for a Son and Widow Wake my Mind. But after hearing the 2nd EP, Billy actually sounds confident and revitalised, most notably on songs like The Fellowship and Tom Tom. And I have to say, Lightning Strikes is pretty damn good! The chorus especially is incredibly effective, very cool melodies throughout.

So yeah, personally I feel Billy has found this new found sense of freedom - granted, it lacks the urgency of Siamese Dream and the poignancy of Adore, but it seems that he's in a happier place right now. So instead of writing a typified mainstream rock album like Zeitgeist, he's now doing something that sounds far more salvageable.

"adore is an excellent album, and even machina had its moments. SP died in 2001"

I agree with this but with the albums reversed. Since Corgan did that damn zwan/thefutureembrace thing he has gone right downhill, SP are now not the band i used to know

They lost it with Adore. Billy strayed too far from his initial strengths, and now he cant tune into that frequency anymore.

I like my corgans angsty and my drummers Chamberlin, thx

"Am I the only one who thought Zeitgeist was actually good?"

i thought it was alright as well. not great, but some of the tracks are pretty fun.

I enjoyed it. Aside from the pretentious title and occasional flop ("Spangled"), Teargarden By Kaleidescope has been surprisingly good overall.

I don't know...

The problem is that everything we consider "good" from Corgan today doesn't reach nearly the quality of the stuff we would of considered good 16 years ago...

Everything has a shelf life. I don't think there are many (I can't think of one) instances where a musician past their prime has all of a sudden got as good as they were.

Yeah, i will say this; the songs i've heard from Teargarden are MUCH less bland than about 80% of Zeitgeist.

I really tried to like their post-90's stuff but it didn't work

@Superduck0 There are a few, namely PJ Harvey, Nick Cave, Flaming Lips...but yeah, I know what you mean. To be honest, Teargarden doesn't even touch Siamese/Mellon Collie/Adore but there are definitely some good moments.

But yeah, these 'moments' won't even come close to to the solo in Geek USA, or the euphoric build up in Porcelina of the Vast Oceans or heartbreaking coda in For Martha...just great, great songs.

Here are Corgan's problems...

He's in love with his voice, and as such, he's been overdubbing it way too much and pushing it to the foreground ever since Machina.

He has no idea how to edit or let go of bad ideas.

Mellon Collie was the last album produced with the help of Alan Moulder.

He has melodically and lyrically run dry.

Band is overrated. Always has been, always will be.

Am I the only one who thought Zeitgeist was actually good?

Nope. I thought it was wonderful, that being said I think the TBK project is whacked.

'I like my corgans angsty and my drummers Chamberlin, thx'

When this is all over, I'd like to buy you a beer.

^ I agree, awesome call

The only thing cheesier than an angsty Corgan is a happy Corgan.

I thought Billy Corgan killed himself? Wishful thinking I guess.

"'I like my corgans angsty and my drummers Chamberlin, thx'

When this is all over, I'd like to buy you a beer."

Glad someone agrees, he really needs to cut his losses and stop.

"The only thing cheesier than an angsty Corgan is a happy Corgan."

true, but at least angsty corgan had legit emotion

Teargarden is a legit 3-3.5 so far. Better than fucking Thrice or whatever the hell kinda shit 95% of this website listens to. Like that bullshit new Strokes album.

lol but yeah the strokes are bullshit

The "best of" of this album will be a at least a 4. We already have 2 killers songs - "Freak" and Lighting Strikes. There should be atleast a dozen more considering the gazzilion more songs coming this way.

well, this is a bit shit

Teargarden is a legit 3-3.5 so far. Better than fucking Thrice

Thrice are overrated on this site, underrated by others though.

Thrice is a lame emo band who takes themselves way too seriously.

I do like Thrice and yeah they are a wee overrated on this site, but this Teargarden stuff is pretty average imo, thats all