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Before I begin today’s column, a huge thanks to everyone who took part in last week’s discussion concerning “favourite lyrics”. It was by far the most popular ‘Sputnik Discusses’ thus far and I’m certain that many readers found it as enlightening as I did. Also, an apology if this particular column comes off a little half-hearted in comparison. In between reading all of those fantastic lyrics, writing 4 reviews and putting together a literal smorgasbord of live videos from Australia’s recent Soundwave Festival, it’s fair to state that my spare time has been scarce of late. Oh well, let’s see how it goes, shall we?

As per my usual orderly want to link my blogs, I’d like to point your attention towards last weekend’s Soundwave Festival post, which included ten live videos from Day-1 of the annual Australian event (My Day-2 wrap will be posted by this weekend). Just attending the festival got me to thinking: If given the choice of only one, would I prefer to get my dose of live music by way of (a) festivals or (b) headline gigs (with one or two support acts)? In all honesty, my decision on this has wavered from year to year… And there are more factors that go into the choice than one might initially think.

Now, a musical purist might feel that there is no competition in this debate. Surely it’s all about the music and a band’s “true” fans, so headline gigs are the way to go. I won’t lie; that’s the way I used to feel. But nowadays, I’m not so sure, since a number of factors have seemed to narrow the gap between the two forms of live music. Firstly, the difference in setlist length between a band’s headline gig and their festival set appears to be getting smaller… This is especially the case for festival headliners and newer bands. The only significant difference would be for veteran bands playing mid-afternoon festival sets. Using Soundwave as an example, I’m talking groups such as Millencolin and Fear Factory.

Of course, there are a handful of discouraging factors regarding festivals… Certain types of attendees (such as those pesky half-hearted fans) can be off-putting in some instances, as can the sheer size of the crowds at some venues. Other festival negatives include those dreaded timetable clashes, as well as a greater chance of sets being cut short due to technical or weather issues.


On the flip-side, festivals can provide the average music fan an excellent opportunity to either discover new bands, or simply view musicians who they otherwise wouldn’t have. But the one major over-riding factor that has swung the pendulum back in favor of festivals for yours truly is pure and simply; VALUE! While the following ticket costs may seem like an exaggerated example, it’s an entirely real one that me and a group of friends were faced with last month:

– 1 Day Soundwave Festival Ticket (including Slash): Approximately $140
– 2 Day Soundwave Festival Ticket (including Slash & Steel Panther): Approximately $190
– Ticket to see Slash and Steel Panther play a separate show: Approximately $120

So, for an extra $70, you would (based on my experience of seeing ten bands per day at Soundwave) get to see an extra 18 bands (at an average of $3.89 per band)! And as for the setlist length comparison; Slash played just 3 extra songs at his headline gig, while Steel Panther didn’t play any additional tracks!

So, the discussion point should be obvious concerning this topic: If given the choice of one or the other, do you prefer to attend festivals or headline gigs? And what are some of the main factors that you take into account when coming to such a decision. Obviously, there will be times when you just don’t have a choice (many bands rarely play festivals, for instance), but sometimes you do… And that is what we are here to debate today.

So, as they say at the end of those dreaded English essays: DISCUSS…..





DaveyBoy
03.25.15
How timely is this since the line-up for Lollapalooza has just been revealed.

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
Haha. I saw the headline, ignored it and moved on.

But come on Arcade, answer the question: festival or headline?

Sniff
03.25.15
I have a sweet spot for festivals and the sheer amount of music you get for a (often fairly low price). But I guess a headliner gig is even better.

Column is spot on actually. I can't contribute with anything :(

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
Get off that God damn fence Arcade! ;-) But yeah, know what you mean; It really does depend. An interesting point you bring up about dead time at headline gigs. Not so bad if you're with a group of mates, but quite boring if you're only with, say, 1 other.

Thanks anyway Sniff. I'll take any agreement with my opinions that I can get.

Gameofmetal
03.25.15
It's pretty close. I love the atmosphere of an all day festival, but the personal touch of getting up front for a small club gig is pretty amazing. I'd probably give it to the headlining show overall.

insomniac15
03.25.15
Not such a big fan of huge crowds and by moving from a stage to another to watch several bands you usually end up somewhere in the back. I prefer headline gigs tbh.

Jots
03.25.15
not a big crowd person so I kinda hate both but gigs tend to be shorter/cheaper so I prefer those

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
LOL Arcade. Well, I'm sure it was no laughing matter at the time. I hope it at least resulted in a hug from Dave.

Gameofmetal, that's probably the average response I expect to receive here. Close call with both having their pros and cons, but headline wins it by a nose.

insomniac, you raise a great point. A lot of us like to find our position relative to the stage and keep as close to that for the majority of the gig. Whereas at festivals, you can be up the front at one stage & up the back for another. I guess, some could see that as an advantage though, as it sometimes gives different perspectives on bands.

We won't crowd you too much on here Johnny. The "shorter" aspect is also understated (& I should have put it in the blog). I have a couple of friends that simply don't have the endurance to get through a whole day of watching music. I like to call them pu$$ies... Not that that's what I'm calling you, of course.

Jots
03.25.15
oh no I'm a bonafide twinkle cave, call 'em like you see 'em Davey'OlBean

Gameofmetal
03.25.15
"Gameofmetal, that's probably the average response I expect to receive here. Close call with both having their pros and cons, but headline wins it by a nose."

Since I presented the average response first, does that make me the most average person in the userbase or a true trailblazer and visionary? A question for the gods.

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
LOL, neither GoM. It makes you someone who is quick to sum up a situation, throw it through your computerized mind and come up with an approximate answer. In other words, you're a robot. Don't forget your next oil change.

Gameofmetal
03.25.15
Does not compute.

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
http://media.giphy.com/media/5xaOcLCJCLiMAPtgxPO/giphy.gif


klap
03.26.15
outside lands lineup just released as well speaking of awesome festivals that yours truly will be attending

you probably know my thoughts on festivals but aside from the excellent points you brought up (value being one of them, although if you travel to a festival the costs certainly add up), i do think the experience is second to none. just using as Coachella as an example, i don't see myself skipping it anytime soon (this will be my 6th year, i buy tickets months before a lineup has been announced), simply because the environment, the setting, and the experience always rocks. i'm rarely disappointed, even if the crowd gets more annoying every year. and while i haven't liked too many headliners in recent years, many festivals are very good about curating up-and-coming talent. i always look back at old lineups and smack myself up the head for not seeing someone on the lowest line.

klap
03.26.15
i will say that it sucks when a crowd is too big to really appreciate the artist. this usually happens only in tents at festivals imo because the tent gets so crowded you either have to be so far back out of the back that you can't see well, or out on the ends, where the angles also suck and the sound isn't as great

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Cannot disagree with anything you said Rudy. Very well put. I have never really travelled any great distance to see a festival, but do understand that many pay airfares, acommodation, etc... And like you, I almost feel loyal to certain festivals because they just keep providing the goods. Until they do anything to spoil that loyalty, then they deserve our attendance (& $$$ for those of us who pay). As for large crowds at certain bands, it's usually fairly easy to pick what bands and stages this will occur at, and then it's just a matter of working around that. If it means skipping the previous set 2 songs early, then so be it.

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Is it unAustralian of me to say that I had to sit though Powderfinger to get a good spot for Muse back at BDO 2010

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
That's a bit harsh. I actually own a physical copy (remember them) of their 'Best Of'... But yeah, their live set was very ho-hum.

ComeToDaddy
03.26.15
My gut response was headlining gigs, but when I sat and thought about it for a second, at least half of my favorite shows have been at festivals. It depends largely on the genre and audience though, hardcore and punk with small audiences at Soundwave have been some of the most memorable performances I've witnessed. At the same time, artists I adore like Dredg and The Dear Hunter just can't slot into that atmosphere and fell so flat. On the other hand, a band like the Foo Fighters (don't you judge me) has so much experience touring and such an extensive discography that they can work the audience into a frenzy. Their show would comfortably sit in the top 3 I've ever seen, and I was really hesitant to go.

Rowan5215
03.26.15
Powderfinger are fucking awesome though

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Yeah, some great points there Daddy... I was also going to mention that some bands simply don't suit a festival setting. The Dear Hunter is a good example.

I think in most cases, a person's best ever gigs are more likely to be headline sets. They're just more conducive to getting everything right. But a well-plated festival headline slot (eg: Muse at BDO 2010) can also be right up there.

And I've seen the Fooeys a couple of times before & they were awesome both times... So I definitely won't be judging you. How were Rise Against, anyway?

ComeToDaddy
03.26.15
Generally speaking that's certainly true, having the space to properly set up your performance will result in a better show 9 times out of 10. But even putting value aside for a second (which is a factor that really shouldn't be put aside in this discussion), seeing artists like The Chariot and Kvelertak in cramped warehouses with concrete floors has a far better atmosphere than a bar gig. I 100% understand when people dislike that, but it's one of my favorite things about Soundwave.
I actually didn't get to see them! I saw them after Wasting Light with Tenacious D which was a killer, but that's the only one I've attended. Couldn't find the time for the most recent show unfortunately.

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Agreed Daddy. I've always found that the really small bars/clubs don't usually have great acoustics. It's the 1,000 to 1,500 capacity venues (sometimes up to say 4,000) which usually put on the best gigs. On the flip-side, arenas are too big. I also saw the Fooeys with Tenacious D & Fucked Up.

But Arcade, how were RA?

TheSupernatural
03.26.15
I've been to a local rock/metal festival the last couple of years and I can't keep doing it. Too many white trash methheads coming to fist pump along with Five Finger Death Punch. The sound quality was underwhelming, where the first half of the bands playing during the day get an oblivious intern or something to run the soundboard. Dealing with 3-digit heat (in Fahrenheit) and having to pay $4 for water is offensive. I won't be going unless they bring in bands that are need-to-see, but mostly it's just stuff straight off rock and metal radio so that won't happen.

Headlining gigs provide a better experience 9/10 times.

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Fair call, especially if that's what you get for your local festivals. The weather & temperature can definitely play a role as it makes a long day even longer. At the Soundwave festival I've been blogging about of late, there are almost hundreds of free water taps available, so all you have to do is bring an empty bottle. Little things like that can make the whole festival experience so much better & cheaper.

As for the "white trash meth-heads", well I'd like to think I prefer bands that don't attract those kinds of people.

TheSupernatural
03.26.15
This was the lineup, not necessarily the bands I'd prefer but it's just what it was

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/loudwire.com/files/2014/07/Aftershock-Poster.jpg

DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Apart from Rise Against, I'd struggle with that Sunday line-up. There's a few bands I'd watch on the Saturday though, such as Offspring, Weezer, Dead Sara, NothingMore, Chevelle & Bad Religion.

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thatoneguy726
03.28.15
Went to Lolla last year as my first ever festival. I vowed then and there to cut back at least 90% on my headline gig attendances to be able to afford a festival each year. Just got my Outside Lands ticket the other day and could hardly be more excited.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Wow, usually people work their way up to the bigger festivals, but you went straight to Lolla. I'm jealous and should make my way over for one some time. I was discussing with Klap how good the Outside Lands lineup looked. I'm certain you'll have another great time there.

But I guess your post says it all if you do end up cutting back on your headline gig attendances to afford to go to more festivals.

I'm mildly surprised about the 50-50 nature of responses thus far.

braxndnew
03.28.15
I love headline gigs if they're small venues. Nothing like barrier at a club show and having a high chance of meeting the band afterwards haha.

However, Soundwave 2013 was spectacular. First festival I ever went to and had a great spot for Metallica and Blink-182 and I caught heaps of other bands. If the festival lineup rules and it's not too hot on the day, festivals can certainly beat headline shows

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Well put braxndnew. You've definitely got more chance of copping the band's sweat on you at headline gigs.

I was at that Soundwave too. Awesome day. Agree that a lot depends on the line-up. Festivals can be excruciatingly long days when the line-up only has a few bands you like.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Rise Against were hungry? ;-)

I felt it a strange pairing, but good on RA and hopefully they got a few extra fans out of it.

I believe they may be coming back for a headline tour later this year.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Oh man, playing a small'ish bar would have taken them back in the day. They would have felt like playing some 'RPM' songs. They sell out Festival Hall over here, which is just under 5,000 capacity from memory.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
But AJ Maddah tells me that no-one buys tickets to gigs in Perth.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Now now.

Which reminds me, I need to post that 2nd part of the Soundwave blog.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
I can't believe that he feuds with artists the way he does, but come the end of the day, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have seen so many bands that I have wanted to over the years. The bottom line is that it's just not worth a lot of smaller rock bands coming down under in normal circumstances.

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03.31.15
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DaveyBoy
04.01.15
Hear ye, here ye... For the 1st time since it's inception 2 months ago, 'Sputnik Discusses' will be taking a break on Wednesday April-1. This is not an April Fools Day joke. I repeat: this is not an April Fools Day Joke.

Oh, and If you all behave, it might be replaced by a much-loved Staff feature. That could be an April Fool's Day joke... Or it might not be.

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