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While ‘Sputnik Discusses’ was obviously created to fuel discussion amongst all registered members of the website, I think that I have under-stated its ability to provide – and spread – information between users. Last week’s ‘Anticipation in 2015’ column proved that, with many readers unaware that a particular artist was going to (possibly) be releasing an album this year, until informed of it during the discussion. I guess this opens up further possibilities for column topics; a theory that will hopefully be confirmed this week.

Plus, there is a link of sorts between the two column editions courtesy of Dave Grohl and his merry band of Foo Fighters.

As referenced last week, Grohl’s ‘Sonic Highways’ series of documentaries piqued my interest. While a few of the episode-closing tunes – and therefore the LP itself – may have disappointed to some extent, the documentaries themselves were interesting, if imperfect. Not much earlier last year, I was also entertained by two other documentary films on music; Grohl’s ‘Sound City’ and ‘Searching for Sugar Man’ concerning Sixto Rodriguez. In both cases, the topics weren’t ones that I would normally search out, yet the end-product was both fascinating and informative. I just had to ask myself the question as to why I had not taken the time to view more music documentaries.

While some documentaries may admittedly be nothing more than glorified concert footage and musicians shooting the breeze, those that are well-made and conscientiously explanatory can be a treasure trove of information. Furthermore, they can – and arguably should – result in a viewer listening to any related music in a different light. One example from ‘Sonic Highways’ was the way in which Grohl derived his lyrics concerning whichever city he was detailing. If I had heard the lyric “They’re singing like a bluebird in the round” without viewing the Nashville-inspired episode, I would have disregarded it as nonsense, not a reference to the city’s rite of passage café.

And there’s so many music documentaries out there… ‘Before the Music Dies’, ‘Woodstock’, ‘The Story of Anvil’, etc, etc, etc… Furthermore, they don’t have to be genuine motion pictures, since there are also a few that can be made as television episodes; The ‘Classic Albums’ series and the 11 part ‘Metal Evolution’ series are two that immediately come to mind. Why the hell haven’t I seen any of these? At least I’ve watched ‘This Is Spinal Tap’… Does that count?

So, the discussion points should be obvious concerning this topic: What are some of your favourite music documentaries that you can recommend to fellow Sputnik members? And as an extension, has there ever been a fascinating tidbit of information that you learned from a music documentary that made your opinion of a piece of music significantly change? For the sake of eliminating redundancy, we all already know that the ‘Some Kind of Monster’ documentary made ‘St.Anger’ even worse!

As they say at the end of those dreaded English essays: DISCUSS….. But please, Lars doesn’t want to hear your “psycho babble horsehit”.





DaveyBoy
02.25.15
I'd also like to see a documentary on what metal drummers eat, because that looks like Lars just threw together whatever was left in the building after the psycho babble production meeting.

ComeToDaddy
02.25.15
Another great post Davey. I personally don't delve much into documentaries, but I really want someone to get in here and talk about 'Until the Light Takes Us', I always enjoy reading people's thoughts on that one.

Out of ones I have actually watched myself, I found 'Metal: A Headbangers Journey' to be interesting. It was something I caught early in my metal years and gave me a lot of history and classic artists to explore. It might seem a bit contrived for someone well-versed in the history but for a toddler like me, it was a godsend.

I'm going to mention Sigur Ros' 'Heima' because it is the most touching, personal exploration I've ever seen of a band. It's part live album, part Sigur Ros meet-and-greet, part documentary; but anybody who has even a passing interest in the band is doing themselves a disservice by not checking it out.

dimsim3478
02.25.15
oh man music docos are the best

Fishbone - Everyday Sunshine (rules)
Descendents/All - Filmage (rules)
LCD Soundsystem - Shut Up and Play the Hits (rules)
Against Me! - We're Never Going Home
Minutemen - We Jam Econo (rules)
Foo Fighters - Back and Forth (rules)
Fugazi - Instrument (rules)
Slint - Breadcrumb Trail
Bomb the Music Industry! - Never Get Tired (not released yet)
Rise Against - HowWe Survive
Death - A Band Called Death (rules)
American Hardcore (rules)
Refused - Refused Are Fucking Dead (rules)
Daniel Johnston - The Devil and Daniel Johnston (rules)
A Tribe Called Quest - Beats, Rhymes & Life
Sigur Ros - Heima
The National - Mistaken for Strangers
GG Allin - Hated
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey (rules)

ComeToDaddy
02.25.15
Whoa whoa whoa there's a Minutemen documentary? Now that's something I'm going to have to check out

zakalwe
02.25.15
TheSex Pistols - The Filth and the Fury

Crysis
02.25.15
'Until the Light Takes Us' is good but it's obvious some of the interviewees didn't take it seriously. This was, after all, the documentary where Varg gave us the whole 'I like my Cornflakes Kah-rispy" thing.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Thanks Daddy. And if I'm yet to congratulate you on your promotion, then congrats.

Obviously, since I'm not a specialist on the genre, I had to look up 'Until the Light Takes Us'. Just had a quick look at its RottenTomatoes page & it's fair to state that the reviews are mixed.

I was gonna mention ' 'Metal: A Headbangers Journey' in the post, but felt the 11 part series fitted in better. You make a great point that some documentaries work better as broad introductions. But that purpose needs to be achieved commonly.

As for Sigur Ros, I think their type of music kind of transcends boundaries when it comes to a potential hybrid documentary such as 'Heima'.


RadicalEd
02.25.15
Mistaken for strangers is great, otherwise I'm not that keen on music docs tbh, they tend to be a bit boring for me.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
William sneaks in before I remembered to put my 'maximum of 3' criteria in. LOL. That is quite a list right there... & I didn't even know that half of them existed. If I had to pick one that caught my eye, it would be the Daniel Johnston one. Again, it's not necessarily my type of music, but his just seems a story worth telling.

Good one zakalwe. I haven't seen that one, although I have viewed 'The Great Rock and Roll Swindle' & even Sid & Nancy (the latter of which doesn't really count as a docu, of course).

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
I knew that someone would mention 'Mistaken For Strangers' quickly (another one I almost put in the blog post). Hard luck story: About 4 or 5 weeks ago, it was on pay tv down under. I was all set to watch it & a storm ripped in & we had a blackout. Oh well, it will pop up again one day.

Voivod
02.25.15
Searching For Sugarman is awesome. So is Metal: A Headbanger's Journey.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
I was really surprised how much I enjoyed 'Sugarman'. Even viewing that trailer above makes me want to watch it again. I wasn't so surprised at how much I hated that techno remake of his song that came out towards the end of last year. Seriously, of all songs to turn doof doof!

CalculatingInfinity
02.25.15
Headbanger's Journey is not that good I agree. Suprised no one has mentioned Cannibal Corpse's documentry Centuries of Torment, enjoyed that immensely.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess OvDeath.

Many critics liked it: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/metal_a_headbangers_journey/


DaveyBoy
02.25.15
In before "the people who judged the grammy award for best metal performance this year are also movie critics". LOL.

emester
02.25.15
One that I loved was Last Days Here, the documentary about Pentagram and trying to get the band back together.

And about Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, I feel a documentary is at its best when it focuses specifically on one band, giving you time to feel for that specific musician's experiences. So yeah I was too fond of it as well.

wtferrothorn
02.25.15
MJ's This Is It was my 1st music doc. It was aight

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
A documentary about trying to get a band back together would be fascinating, as long as it wasn't all a put on & the end result was already know to a large degree.

Interesting point about documentaries being better focused when not trying to be all-encompassing & just concentrating on 1 band. I guess that's where the 11 part tv series kinda made more sense, because at least it could be split into the different sub-genres of metal to provide that focus.

'This Is It' was more of a MJ fluff piece, but obviously became a whole lot more for timeliness reasons.

Valkyrion
02.25.15
"why you do this" by car bomb was pretty interesting, it's on youtube

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Had never heard of that Car Bomb documentary. Just had a read of the summary and that sounds genuinely interesting... & relevant.

manosg
02.25.15
Great subject!

Heavy Metal Britannia is one doc I particularly enjoyed as it explores the evolution of heavy metal in Great Britain starting of course in the late 60s.

Also, When Metal Ruled The World is a cool doc for those who are interested in glam metal and the whole Sunset Strip movement even though it's not very well executed.

Lastly, how cool is it in that every metal documentary there's that bald dude with the pointy teeth?

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Thanks manosg. I'm really hoping many who read this stumble across at least 1 documentary that they look up.

Both of those metal documentaries you mention sound interesting to me... Especially since I don't mind me some glam. Does that British one try to cover too much ground too quickly? It sounds a fairly big project on paper.

RoundOnEndHiInMiddle
02.25.15
I've never been a black metal aficionado, but I share Daddy's sentiment towards "Until The Light Takes Us". It's a gritty documentary, and it gives context to the early Norwegian black metal scene that I otherwise would have been ignorant to. I think what I like most about it is that it shows that these huge figures in the scene that are legends now (Varg, "Dead", "Euronymous") are humans that can create and destroy just like the rest of us. It shows that even if, as in my case for example, you don't necessarily listen to the music at hand, a documentary about it can still be very engaging and interesting.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
So, basically, Arcade, you're a music tragic... Just like 99% of the rest of us.

Actually, you mentioning Stone Roses reminded me of a series that one of the Australian cable channels put together a year or two back called something like 'Great Music Cities of the World'.

I know you liked the album, but what did you think of the Sonic Highways documentary series?

manosg
02.25.15
"Does that British one try to cover too much ground too quickly? It sounds a fairly big project on paper."

Heavy Metal Britannia basically covers a 13-15 year span if I remember correctly, starting from Deep Purple, Black Sabbath et al. and finishing at the NWOBHM era. It's somewhere around 90 minutes I think so it's quite thorough albeit basic.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Heavy Metal Parking Lot has probably gone unmentioned because it was made before 90% of the users here were born.

Very well said Round... That was the point I was trying to get at with 'Searching for Sugarman'. But yes, it looks as 'Until the Light takes Us' is winning the early popularity contest.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
More importantly manosg, are Def Leppard the stars of the show? If not, it's null & void. ;-)

manosg
02.25.15
hahaha, not sure but there have to be somewhere towards the last part of the show

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Bringin' on the heartacheeeeee... Bringin' on the heartbreakkkkkkkk.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Totally agree about appreciating the subtleties of the writing process on 'Sonic Highways' Arcade. On occasions, that often over-shadowed what appeared to be the main purpose of the documentaries; too spotlight the 8 cities.

Now, if only lmfao could make their documentary to outline their complex writing process!

Cygnatti
02.25.15
Not sure if it qualifies but I saw a 15-20 documentary on Taylor swift the other day on tv. It ruled.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Sowing would have my head if it didn't qualify. Hell, if it was shot fly-on-wall style, then Sowing was probably behind the camera.

Sowing
02.25.15
Well now everyone knows my night job, thanks a lot Davey

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
Oh well, if it keeps you out of jail.

Man, that was quick. Do you get alerted via sms every time someone on Sputnik types the word "Sowing"?

Sowing
02.25.15
I actually have a bunch of minions who report everything that's said about me so that we can arrange "accidents" for the ones who don't praise me nonstop. It's why Irving has been around so long.

I'm not into documentaries, but I know I own a Styx one and a Taylor Swift one somewhere, both were gifts. It's been years since I've watched either.

Cyberduck
02.25.15
Not an expert on this, but I found the BBC documentary about Krautrock very enjoyable.

Davil667
02.25.15
I recently watched all episodes of Metal Evolution and the documentary left me rather disappointed. Although the idea of explaining the origin and development of different genres and sub-genres of Heavy Metal is a very interesting approach, the whole documentary was very superficial and only scratched the surface – quite a poor implementation of the concept considering the documentary comprises eleven episodes.

Hyperion1001
02.25.15
regardless of what you think of the band cannibal corpse's centuries of torment is the best extreme metal documentary out there.

rockandmetaljunkie
02.25.15
one of my all time favorites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysV21u58shw

reportingbird
02.25.15
Anyonen have watched A Beautiful Noise? it's about shoegaze movement in early 90's

bnelso55
02.25.15
"Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage" gave me a whole new perspective on that band.

Cyberduck - That BBC Documentary on Krautrock would be fascinating. Where did you find it?

"A Beautiful Noise" sound great too. I'll need to check that out.

JohnFire
02.25.15
Every Time I Die's dvds are all pure gold, but especially Shit Happens.

Tunaboy45
02.25.15
They're great when done right

danielito19
02.25.15
Fugazi's Instrument is super radical

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
"I'm not into documentaries, but I know I own a Styx one and a Taylor Swift one somewhere, both were gifts."
The latter self-bought, no doubt.

"Not an expert on this, but I found the BBC documentary about Krautrock very enjoyable."
That's actually the kind of docu I wouldn't mind watching because it's a genre I'm unfamiliar with, yet don't exactly hate.

"I recently watched all episodes of Metal Evolution and the documentary left me rather disappointed. "
Really, he/they were on a hiding to nothing. There was no way it could please everyone. Huge fans of the genre wouldn't have thought it detailed enough, while metal novices needed most things spelt out in layman's terms. I guess, that with all documentaries, the target audience needs to be known & very clear right from the beginning.

DaveyBoy
02.25.15
"regardless of what you think of the band cannibal corpse's centuries of torment is the best extreme metal documentary out there"
That's the thing Hyp. I don't think the effectiveness a documentary necessarily comes down to how much you enjoy a particular band or genre. It may in fact hinder the informational aspect since you're more likely to know more about the band/genre in the 1st place.

"one of my all time favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysV21u58shw"
Goes almost perfectly with your user-name.

"Anyonen have watched A Beautiful Noise? it's about shoegaze movement in early 90's"
I think this would interest me. The genre has always been a bit of a mystery to me, so learning about its origins would be interesting.

""Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage" gave me a whole new perspective on that band"
That's the kind of thing I'm looking for. Do you mind elaborating. A better or worse perspective? In what way? I also think they'd be an interesting subject matter.

Ditto for Fugazi, Refused and bands like that. Of course, it always helps when the subject matter is fascinating in one way, shape or form.


rockandmetaljunkie
02.26.15
"Goes almost perfectly with your user-name."

Indeed, there's definitely a connection.

DaveyBoy
02.26.15
Thought there might have been. Probably needed a "Hard" at the front. Or did you try that, but not that many characters are allowed.

rockandmetaljunkie
02.26.15
I might had tried that but honestly I can't remember.

NOTINTHEFACE
02.26.15
Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage is fascinating. It's an exploration of the band's career while delving into their individual personalities and how they've worked together over the years. My wife is not a Rush fan but she really enjoyed the movie and said that she appreciated them a lot more after seeing it.

BroFro
02.26.15
The Tooth & Nail documentary that came out at the end of last year is really good, especially if you grew up listening to bands on that label, like I did. Has some good bits about As Cities Burn, Underoath, August Burns Red, and the like

BroFro
02.26.15
also, this doc about 90's hardcore/emo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Av2y7pE3hs

Let
02.26.15
I still really need to see Searching for Sugar Man and 30th Century Man (Scott Walker doc). If anyone is into house music, or any kind of (electronic) dance music at all, I'd highly recommend checking out Pump Up the Volume. It's a doc. series, but you can watch the whole thing on youtube (it's a little over two hours). It's a really fun and informative look at the history of house music in Chicago, then to techno in Detroit, then to the UK's adoption of the genres and so on. It features a lot of innovators like Derrick May, Marshall Jefferson, Frankie Knuckles,etc.

Napolesonic
02.26.15
The White Stripes' "Under Great White Northern Lights" is excellent. Technically a live video, I know, but it still offers fascinating insights into Jack & Meg's relationship (mere months away from their breakup, no less.)

TMobotron
02.27.15
Heima is the greatest thing of all time JS

DaveyBoy
02.27.15
Notintheface, I think you've struck on a perfect way of judging the effectiveness of a music documentary: the thoughts of the non-fan. I'm actually quite keen to watch it now, as I've never really taken the time to explore Rush and I think their music lends itself to analysis.

BroFro, I had forgotten about that docu... & yeah, I do listen to some T&N stuff. Good reco.

Let, I really recommend Sugarman. It's just a fascinating story. That line in the trailer above about how he sold 6 records in the U.S and was a hero in another country he'd never been to says it all. Good reco for the dance/electronic music fans which sounds very all-encompassing on the genre(s). I might pass on that one though. :-)

Good call Napolesonic. Live concert footage can be fairly plain, but with that docu's timing and all the stories of their relationship, it's probably retrospectively fascinating.

Another vote for Heima for TMob, so 2 clear docus popping up regularly.

TMobotron
02.27.15
I don't really watch music documentaries very often. I guess usually I'd only feel compelled to watch one about a band I love, but I don't feel like a band I love necessarily would make for entertaining viewing in that format.

But that "Pump Up the Volume" rec from Let sounds awesome and up my alley, I might have to track that down.

"Until The Light Takes Us" always had my interest as well - especially since some of the crazy backgrounds behind a lot of BM seems especially worthy of being documented. I've heard mixed things about it, but some of the comments on here are making me really want to check it out (especially RoundOnEndHiInMiddle's).


rockandmetaljunkie
02.27.15
Another great doc I didn't saw being mentioned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oec2866xUrM

rockandmetaljunkie
02.27.15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV4Jj8SIxh0

DaveyBoy
02.27.15
"especially since some of the crazy backgrounds behind a lot of BM seems especially worthy of being documented"
I kept using words like "interesting", "informative" & "fascinating". Of course, there's also "entertaining"/

Yep r&mj, I was always gonna mention 'The Story of Anvil' in my post. That actually got quite a bit of publicity at the time of its release.

rockandmetaljunkie
02.27.15
"That actually got quite a bit of publicity at the time of its release."

I know Dave.
This is one of my favorites because it's an ode to those obscure rock bands who never made it big for reasons beyond their control.

DaveyBoy
02.27.15
Exactamundo.... And it's fair to state that the band are characters in their own right.

SmartWentCody
02.27.15
As an absolute Pearl Jam nut, Pearl Jam Twenty is my favorite rockumentary. So good.

DaveyBoy
02.27.15
If I recall correctly, 'Twenty' was actually directed by Cameron Crowe, which gave it a real authentic "motion picture" feel. I don't know how I had forgotten about that one, since it also did have quite a bit of publicity at the time of its release.

Alastor
02.27.15
The best black-metal documentaries are probably "Satan Rides The Media", about the Burzum-trial and "A Dying God", about Celtic Frost. "Until The Light Takes Us" is only okay-ish.

DaveyBoy
02.27.15
Man, who would have known that there are so many metal-oriented documentaries out there. 'Satan Rides the Media' is a very eye-catching title.

thediamondcanopy
03.01.15
The fact that "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" hasn't been mentioned yet is heartbreaking. That's one of my favorites. Hell, the acoustic rendition of I'm Always In Love is enough to make it great.

DaveyBoy
03.01.15
"What was I thinking when I let you back in?"

Oh, come on, it's not as if it's a Sputnik favourite album with over 1,000 ratings that averages 4.2. Oh, hang on a tick. Well, maybe many never knew that the documentary existed. They should now. Good call canopy.

DominionMM1
03.01.15
Slow Southern Steel is solid, but I'm biased.
Heartworn Highways is an excellent doc about "outlaw" country.


DaveyBoy
03.01.15
I'm gonna take a guess that you're from a Southern state of the U.S.A.

The range of documentaries that have come out in this discussion is huge. And looking most of the recommendations up, I can inform people that a lot of them are available to view on YouTube.

NordicMindset
03.01.15
Jared Leto's Artifact really exposed a lot about the music industry and the greed of record labels.

DaveyBoy
03.01.15
Totally forgot about that one (even though it's so recent). Of course, it's actually directed by Bartholomew somethingorother LOL. I can actually see more and more documentaries made on that similar topic.

Mort.
03.01.15
HORSE the Bands "Earth Tour" doc is an interesting one. Basically documents their travels around the world on a massive tour that spans all the continents (except for antartica and maybe south america?) as a mainly underground band with a cult following. Lasts about 8 hours or something and is really quite entertaining as you witness their vocalist break his arm and smah up his head, lose equipment, argue with eachother, get depressed and apathetic and play a bunch of shows and just talk with the people they meet. I think you can download it for free off their website if you just google it

DaveyBoy
03.02.15
Something like a travel diary can also make for a great documentary if there are enough interesting things that occur... And it sounds like a lot of interesting things occur on that one.

But 8 hours... That sounds like a bit of a hard slog to me. I guess you could classify them as DVD extras, but I still think it would need a

carved
03.04.15
Global Metal is another of Dunn's (Metal: A Headbanger's Journey) documentaries surrounding the spread of metal music worldwide.

DaveyBoy
03.04.15
Yep, if my memory serves me correct, 'Global Metal' was sandwiched in-between 'A Headbangers Journey' & the 11 part tv series.

carved
03.04.15
Really? I thought Global Metal was made three years after A Headbanger's Journey?
He has also made docus focused around individual bands like Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden & Rush

DaveyBoy
03.04.15
It was made 3 years after. Then the series came 3 years after that. In between, he did the Iron Maiden & Rush docus.

carved
03.04.15
ah i see i see they are all quite good

DaveyBoy
03.04.15
As much as it should be the most relevant to me, I've yet to actually see 'Global Metal'. Although, I don't think they came as far south as Australia.

carved
03.04.15
No unfortunately they only visited Brazil, Indonesia, China, Japan, Dubai, Israel and India. It was interesting to see how it thrived in those countries though, I mean i was aware of Sepultura and a few other bands from Brazil but it was cool to see such a huge following in the muslim, islamic and hebrew countries

DaveyBoy
03.04.15
Metal is literally everywhere. I mean, if it's in Indonesia, then it just has to be.

carved
03.04.15
the exception being the array of deadly animals that roam the land.


That sounds incredibly metal

KILL
03.04.15
beyond the lighted stage

even kimm dug it

Necrotica
03.04.15
Damn KILL, you just beat me to that one

DaveyBoy
03.04.15
LOL Arcade. Jom will never come down under... Hmm, let me re-word that... Jom will never vacation in Australia because of those deadly animals that we so unproudly have.

Although, as Carved suggests, something like the Tasmanian Devil is definitely metal.

Man, this has turned into a Dunn & McFadyen love-fest. Why don't we add 'Flight 666' while we're at it.

oahmed
03.10.15
20,000 Days On Earth was a pretty great music doc. Consider myself to be a fairly casual Nick Cave fan but found it pretty fascinating.

DaveyBoy
03.11.15
I didn't think that would technically be classified as a documentary, but it appears that it is.

dimsim3478
03.11.15
"Jom will never vacation in Australia because of those deadly animals that we so unproudly have."

Jeez, just don't go into the bush, Jom. And you could one-on-one a dingo any day.

yep123
03.11.15
1991 The Year Punk Broke
Instrument
Hated

DaveyBoy
03.11.15
Won't happen William. He only needs to see pics & he turns into a blubbering mess.

Nice little list yep, although in all honesty I'm unsure I could watch 'Hated'. The Fugazi one sounds interesting, but '1991...' would be the best of that lot imo, even if I'm not a huge fan of any of the bands highlighted.

dimsim3478
03.11.15
the Fugazi one is pretty amazing but due to its length and lack of a clear narrative, it's probably only recommended for fans of the band.

DaveyBoy
03.11.15
Yeah, it's length suggests it may fit into the "glorified concert footage and musicians shooting the breeze" category, but just because of who they are, I think it could be an interesting watch.

DaveyBoy
03.12.15
Here's one for the near future that looks very interesting and - most importantly - revealing:

https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/first-trailer-for-unflinching-kurt-cobain-film-113342300161.html


jalietcaprana
03.29.15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MVBJMpNmYw

https://soundcloud.com/jaliet-caprana/dngw

DaveyBoy
03.29.15
That doesn't look like a documentary to me.

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