Hey folks,
We’ve launched a brand new tagging system for genres. Please use this thread to report any bugs or suggestions you might have.
There will likely be a lot of volatility in the first few days as tags get updated. Please be patient throughout this process.
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- Glitch
- Bossanova
- Vaporwave
- New wave
- Darkwave
- No wave
- Afrobeat
- Artpop
- Krautrock
I was thinking about adding the following as well, not sure if I should though:
- blue-eyed soul
- power pop
- post punk revival (I personally think it's much different than post punk in general)
- neoclassical
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One question:
In the charts section, there is the old genres list. Now with the new genres being submitted by the userbase and approved by the site's admins, will this list get progressively updated?
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I'd like genre tags per album too, because some bands change in style
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my pie chart took quite an unexpected hit[2]
HOLYSHIT
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my pie chart is a little wack right now, for example I have like 10% post rock when I have almost no post rock rated. conversely, I don't have a slice for electronic or ambient which are some of my most rated genres. I'll put that down to bad tagging for now, and I'm sure we'll have more accurate tags once more users start tagging
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my pie chart took quite an unexpected hit[2]
HOLYSHIT "
click on "reviews" instead.
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in my profile's genre pie chart, "Progressive Metal" is shown as "rogressive Metal"
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I just realized that both "alt rock" and "alt/indie" were scrapped in favor of a single "alternative" tag. not a fan of this tbh. not sure what to do about it, though.
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Tag something Alternative + either indie or rock? Genius isn't it?
Can you delete or downvote tags?
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Can you delete or downvote tags?"
kinda trying to do that, can't downvote the alternative tags that are already there, though.
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wat
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calm down, man. they've already addressed that, twas a slip up.
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just giving feedback dude, already stated i'm effin delighted with this
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do you think we should differentiate between synth pop and new wave?
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well for example because bands that are just prog rock have been given prog metal by default and you have to thik of 2 other genres that they aren't really to get prog metal off the page
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Don't really care about those genres, but yes.
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should we add a crunkcore genre, since having "pop, hip-hop, electronic" is so unnecessary.
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"well for example because bands that are just prog rock have been given prog metal by default and you have to thik of 2 other genres that they aren't really to get prog metal off the page "
The problem there is that they were default changed in the first place, but they only have "1 vote". But some people are probably gonna end up voting prog metal ianyway and having a downvoting system is just gonna inflame these arguments which the system was designed to avoid. Who's to say no-one will downvote "prog rock" when you tag it? I think you just have to have faith that once enough people have voted things will settle down.
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agreed with this. just wait it out guys
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Daft Punk: techno + house + pop
done
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Like I'm looking at Pierce The Veil here, who've got prog metal tagged, but can only really be called post hardcore.
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And guys once again, the transition was never going to be a smooth one. There are going to be things to sort out, and many endless hours of genre debating ahead of us. Relax!
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This is rare, but yes. May implement something next week on this.
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Huzzzahh!!!
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Let me throw on my post dubstep pants and crack into this
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This is rare, but yes. May implement something next week on this."
maybe if they have to have a certain % of the votes to show up?
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that's what I was thinking
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nice
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I just suggested it so I'm guessing the system is taking a bit of time to adjust.
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Alright, thought it was a bug because of the ampersand.
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Eventually I can disqualify tags if we see something like the following scenario:
Tag A 20 votes
Tab B 14 votes
Tac C 1 vote
Not clear in this case that Tag C should count. But not implementing this right away.
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Well I suggested glam and I've seen it appear infrequently since, and I've also seen "mathcore" float about, but not when I tried to tag Converge.
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dude this was always like that
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No mathcore please
Every band that's being called mathcore hates that name
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same goes for idm and post rock but fuck them
by the way, is "garage" garage the rock genre or uk garage the electronic genre?
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Every band that's called ANY genre more specific than "rock" or "metal" hates the name, but we call them that anyway.
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Actually only Aphex kicked up a stink about IDM
And garage is garage, not garage rock
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That too.
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Not a fan of garage rock tag btw. Just call it Rock (+ maybe Alternative).
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don't see how it's any different to before. anyway it'll only really affect the few people who listen to those bands, who are probably the ones who tagged them in the first place. and unless there are literally only a few votes I don't think it'll cause that much of a problem.
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Eh, not really in my book.
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I know, I just saw it in the queue. That's why I mentioned it haha
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Idk, I always thought of Breakcore as a dnb substyle like liquid, neurofunk, etc. Anyways, I'll use it when it passes through.
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That's not OK!
Why is there not an option to downvote a tag???
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That was me - Jungle kind of predates the idea of "drum & bass", even though it falls more into the rave aspect of the scene. Jungle is more DJ Hype, and the amen breaks of Where Were You In '92
"Idk, I always thought of Breakcore as a dnb substyle like liquid, neurofunk, etc. Anyways, I'll use it when it passes through."
It's a hardcore variant of breaks (/breakbeat)
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Big man wants us to hold off on approving everything right off the bat. This way we can get a look at the initial round of entries, and see what's working and what isn't. And to also get a feel for the kind of entries being submitted. Example: someone submitted "Spectralism" as a genre...
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Survey says: NOPE!
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As a scientist myself, I can only approve of such a thing.
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hello psychedelic, hello prog rock (wtf?), hello twice as much post-rock
so we basically just tag everything slightly out of the ordinary in it's respective genre prog and post now?
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Except for the lesser known bands it doesn't work! Not every band is going to get lots of votes
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and also, I'm digging this! :DD
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yep
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Blues: AC DA, Dire Straits
Folk: Opeth, satyricon
Psychedelic: Yes
Metal: Deep Purple
King Crimson named both in rock and in progressive rock
oh well... but hey its soooo colourful!
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this is pretty much the only reason people have asked for it to be introduced and it would cause more problems than solve. also other solutions have already been suggested
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Way to be rebellious man
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no
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what is rebellious is Idm related to jazz
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kyary >>
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Thirded
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lol no
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Great job btw...
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We can talk about Sabbath, the 70s and beards and stuff in that section then.
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Note that chart, new releases, news work similarly. Only genres with a certain amount of content appear as selections.
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this'll probably take a while for them.
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huh?
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pretty sure that never really stopped
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these changes are growing on me
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YES
earlier than expected
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i wish alt/indie was still alt/indie tho but it doesn't matter that much
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Maybe there should be a more elaborate explanation of what should be added as a genre or not.
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- Please avoid tags that apply to less than 30 bands.
- Please avoid tags that are synonymous with other genres.
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I.e. jungle not being accepted, and as far as I can see deathcore being rejected. Cos obviously if you carry on the list gets immense, so there'll have to be some kind of leash on it.
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We need to be able to downvote tags.
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I do like the thought of kids in South London playing Raw Power out loud on their phones on the bus, but it aint gonna happen.
Hardcore (as in old school early 90s rave) / Hardcore punk might end up getting mixed the same way.
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I N D I E F O L K =/= F O L K
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East coast
West coast
Southern
Boom-bap
Experimental
And whatever else is there.
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agreed with these, but for psytrance you could just put psychedelic + trance and it'd be the same thing nahmean
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I find it hilarious that half of the genres are metal.
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I'd also like different tags for grindCORE and deathgrind.
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Couldn't this be solved by using something similar to RYM's genre system? A "tree structure" where genres have sub-genres but the charts etc will handle them as proper parts of that genre. This way the parent genres won't be unpopulated because they'll contain the child genres. When you tag an artist with Dark Ambient you are tagging it with Ambient, if that makes sense.
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Would also like to be able to differentiate between main genres and sub genres on genre pages, so that you can find bands that are for example, prog influenced but not actually prog. While at the same time removing bands who's sub genre don't accurately reflect that genre for example rage against the machine being tagged as hip-hop. This might be overly specific/unnecessary tho.
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So what? A large portion of their discographies are those genres.
Also what fearthyevil said.
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i took to be just minimalism as a blanket term.
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And correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the plan was only to have staff approve which genres can be added as a tag, not approve the tags themselves cos that would be a stupid idea since sputnik has a massive database and this would require staff to listen to an entire bands discog, familiarize themselves with the gene proposed (assuming they aren't already familiar with it) and then make a decision on whether it's appropriate or not
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I suggest you vote it that way then ;)
"i took to be just minimalism as a blanket term."
I guess I'll just suggest minimalism and hope they remove minimal.
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Um
Yes it is
Three times actually
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Anyways, I just noticed that alternative has a collective of over 5000 bands... That's not right...
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spoiler: it's huge
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nu-metal and industrial both have 1 vote, they won't be there for very long
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the only real problem i have is that umbrella genres like 'electronic' and 'alternative' are used for almost every artist yet are just as valid on the pie as the primary, correct tags. just don't allow tertiary genres to count on the pie and it's solved.
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This is an excellent idea. GIVE ME POWER.
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chances that when I do start tagging I end up inevitably pissing off Dev? some options:
1. I label KOAN Sound as glitch hop: 98%
2. I try to tag Skrillex as anything: 95%
3. I only use the "dubstep," "drum & bass," "electronic," "chiptune," and "house" tags: probably somewhere around 65% (I'm feeling confident)
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Might I suggest that we change that to 2654 artists tagged? =S
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Is this a bug or sth ?
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But I dig it, now this place is a little better for band browsing. GJ
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i don't think you know the genres of around half the bands you listen to lol
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Aeterna Tristitia Now and Forever 5
i'm so proud :']
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1. I label KOAN Sound as glitch hop: 98%"
See, the whole point of this is to be as accurate as possible. That's where your problem lies
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You used to throw around "other" like it was nothing though man. At least we're getting something a bit more definable now
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ie low, red house painters, etc
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nahp.
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It's just up to the community to report dumb things to the meds. Simple enough.
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I approve of the new system. my pie chart has waaaaaay too big of an ALTERNATIVE section (can't we somehow get rid of that? is it even a genre?) but that's ok bros. that's [italics]ok[/italics]
ps I am drunk BUT
pps GREAT JOB MODS, ya fukin nailed it. ya did er.
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he's always lowering our quality of life
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is electronic going to remain as a genre? every artist that has that tag has another (electronic) genre attqached to their profile, so is the umbrella genre really necessary?
hmu if u agree
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don't hmu. never hmu.
I dislike your sput-style. k?
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seeing the hunchback of notre dame once was enough
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/talking to someguest, forever
ok LAST POST BEFORE I PASS OUT:
we need to able to downvote. Kanye is trip-hop??? um......no?
love you all, thanks for the changes, I LOVE THEM OVERALL, gnightttttttttttttt
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both have dicks
- aids
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It's already there silly
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I mean: slowcore and screamo are essential genres mods =)
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Loving the changes, being able to browse pretty much everything by genre is awesome. It helps the reviews get more exposure and people to find bands of their tastes. Prog Rock is eating the pie charts though. And what's with the colors of the pie charts btw? Suddenly it looks like Andcas went on a rampage of coloring them.
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In other words, JUST BE MORE LIKE RYM
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genre tree? yeah, genre tree.
am I dead?
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In other news, are the mods eventually gonna lock the system and make sure it's correct?
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like the reviews
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You do realise most of Sputnik is mostly user-based, maintained and created right?
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I was wondering if it'll be entirely user-moderated or, ya know, actually moderated
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Read better
Plus who 'wonders' something by insulting other people?
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and heh not like I was gonna sift through all these comments
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Thank you, though, for demonstrating why you're perfectly at the top of the site bell curve."
when i said i think its the mods, i didnt say the mods try to troll us and tag camel as djent, read better. i dont know if you are aware, but most bands started with 3 tags, each with 1 vote. camel, for example, started with prog rock, rock and prog metal. idk if its a bug or the mods or whatever but that is obv not user-made. anyway, when one of the MODS approved the genre djent, some bug caused all the prog metal tags to turn to djent tags. this is what happened, no one is blaming you, i was just explaining the situation
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other than that its pretty sweet.
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If we're gonna have free or avant jazz (or any other jazz subgenre) they need to bring back jazz fusion.
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Carry on.
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metal has 10+ subgenres available right now (probably more to come), ofc jazz and other major styles will get their share of tags too
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"The feature hasn't been fully rolled out yet, which includes our[the mods'] ability to reset votes, remove tags, and edit genres."
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but if this works and it could help a user dive into a new sub genre it should be awesome..
Would it be possible to have a featured user list appear when we click a certain genre. kinda like a guide line?
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whoa that's a good idea
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whoa that's a good idea [2]
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whoa that's a good idea [3]
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Nice idea.
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whoa that's a good idea [4]
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lmao
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I think having that percentage rule, whereby a tag needs a certain percentage of the overall votes to appear.
I also think the votes for each tag should be hidden, to help prevent people just voting for the same silly tags other people have.
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don't agree with this. on rym they ain't hidden at all, it in fact lists who voted for what tag and if they voted for or against.
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The main one is still here, but it doesn't seem like the individual genres have them anymore. I hope they do add them again, because "trending/popular albums" = / = "top rated albums"
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Radiohead
Alternative (10 votes): Rank 1 priority (would especially influence the 'Alternative' taste)
Electronic (8 votes): Rank 2 priority (would moderately influence the 'Electronic' taste)
Rock (7 votes): Rank 3 priority (would slightly influence the 'Rock' taste)
Progressive Rock (2 votes): (Not weighted/no influence)
Crabcore (1 vote): (Not weighted/no influence)
I think a system like this would do a lot to reduce inaccuracy in taste charts. It's kinda silly that progressive rock is suddenly one of my top genres just because one person tagged Radiohead and The Beatles(!) etc. as prog.
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that really needs to be fixed
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Maybe this needs fixing somehow.
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blackgaze
crust
screamo
hard rock
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When I was reading a review for a metal band in the old format of the site, the tag "METAL" was highlighted.
The same applied for Indie, Rock etc.
Now the main tags (in red) in the front page are different and unless someone already knows the band, he/she has to read the review in order to tell what genre the band files under.
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blackgaze"
Surely you must be joking?
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Change it to UK Garage: problem solved
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lets try to stay away from the useless tags, i mean.. last.fm is a total joke
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the sole purpose of rym's genre directory is to track down all forms of musical expression, categorizing them according to their era and/or cultural paradigms. with stuff like cyberpunk you'll regardless end up having bullshit like anime-sonic tags, determining whether to add them or not is nevertheless a hard decision & for sharifi to do so he/mods need a substantial prove for the availability and existence of this 'music.'
>avant garde tag & ill stop flooding your boards with spectralism and cajun
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may as well ask for east coast & west coast
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Oh and the garage tag /is/ confusing, especially for those who don't know of the other genre. At first I assumed it was for UK Garage but then became unsure and had to check.
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Well it's evident that you're one of them
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Or I'll just ban you for suggesting those tags. Thanks for telling me!
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yeah, they're not implemented yet. well, not the newly suggested ones, anyways.
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It also says "How would you describe this band?" when you hit Tag on a band page. I like artists more as well.
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Also we can see who is nominating the tags, and two users have already be banned for actions that can only be described as lacking in humour. If you want additions like this to the site, don't abuse them
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GiaNXGX
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