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10. Touche Amore – Parting the Sea Between Brightness and Me

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A few months ago I made my way down from the San Fernando Valley ‘burbs which I call home to the city of Echo Park, which is situated half way in between the seedy faux-glamour of Hollywood and Downtown Los Angeles, to see Touche Amore’s homecoming show at the Echoplex. As I drove past the venue in my feeble attempts to find a parking spot it hit me just how big they have become since the release of Parting the Sea Between Brightness and Me. The show that night, also featuring La Dispute and Pianos Become the Teeth, was a microcosm of the current rebirth of and the post-hardcore scene that some have been calling “The Wave” and others like myself just call a welcome change of pace. And just like that night, with Parting the Sea Between Brightness and Me Touche Amore have positioned themselves at the front of this movement.

Taking influence from early 2000’s post-hardcore bands such as Thursday, the 90’s emo underground, and the last 20 years of indie scene, Touche Amore’s Parting the Sea Between Brightness and Me is a quick burst of artful yet emotional punk rock. Driven in equal parts by vocalist Jeremy Bolm’s heartfelt shouts and the rich sonic template behind him, every note is placed and every plea is penned with with pinpoint accuracy, zeroing in on the angst and uncertainty of entering adulthood. It’s a stunning accomplishment that has reached across scene boundaries and has, at least for the time being, rallied that attention of both the most jaded of hardcore enthusiasts and the kids that keep it all alive. In the closing lines of the album’s opener “Tilde”, Bolm screams “…I’ll be that ringing in your ears that sticks around for years,” and if Touche Amore have proven anything in 2011, that claim might just be true. – Adam Thomas

9. Destroyer – Kaputt

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Dan Bejar is and will always be one of the best lyricists in indie rock, but his acoustic Bowie shtick got really old with his last album, Trouble in Dreams, which followed the monolithic Rubies with a whisper rather than a bang. On Kaputt, though, dude went entirely insane, pursuing the kind of syrupy, cheesy, 80s-esque pop to soundtrack his tales of love lost on the dance floor and doing ridiculous amounts of blow, among all of the intertextuality, meta-ness, and constant literary references that one would expect from any Destroyer album. Bejar, by changing his band’s sound from chamber pop troubadours to Kenny G-esque manufacturers of sophisticated cheese, found the perfect foil to his lyrics, the kind of overly dramatic stuff that increases the impact of his theatrical tales, his knack for narration and setting a scene. It’s the most interesting Destroyer record yet, in this sense, in that it’s the only one really to run with one general theme and idea, that of endless partying and the trials of city life, which is why it’s stuck with me more than anything else he’s ever done. – Cam

8. Swarms – Old Raves End

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As I sit here trying to sum up Old Raves End I find myself coming to the conclusion that the frustration at attempting to define my thoughts is one that I share with this album. Like my somewhat pitiful attempts, Old Raves End finds itself struggling to find the right words, or really any words, that might somehow change what is ultimately, an inevitable outcome. Shockingly though, it embraces this hesitation, this reluctance to reconcile, and uses the resulting breakdown in communication as its impetus. As such, it’s an exhaustive and emotionally crippling listen, steeped in familiarity and nostalgia now bereft of color, instead committed to memory as scratchy and broken down black and white daydreams.

As an album that works off the power of memory it traverses many themes and ideas, from glacial frigidity to cradling warmth and remembered love; and somewhere in amidst all of this messy expression, and despite its mechanical heart, lies something truly human and life-affirming. It’s a document on loss, love and the unavoidable nature of human beings, and it takes great pride in evoking the fragile symptoms that accompany us on our journey. Old Raves End asks a lot of its listener, but matches that offering with unwavering beauty and honesty. Genuinely captivating and convincingly romantic in its warm embrace of the past, it shows this Leeds-based trio to be one of the brightest young talents to emerge out of a year already strip-mined in accolades and cherished releases. Old Raves End is the death of the party, and while it doesn’t match that demise in ferocity, it serves as perhaps the most painful of reminders of what was lost. – Deviant

7. Florence + The Machine – Ceremonials

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Ceremonials is bigger, longer, and bolder than her out-of-left-field debut Lungs, simply because it does all those things that Lungs did so well, does them one better, and jacks everything up to 11. The most unlikely pop sensation of 2010 made her money with an operatic range, a gothic-tinged band that specialized in cavernous timpani and melancholy strings, and florid lyrics about coffin makers and moonlight sacrifices. Of course, she could get away with this because she had a voice to match all the drama and the kind of mammoth hooks that are needed to define the bold images of angels and devils that Ms. Welch preferred to color with. Remember how you felt when Florence’s voice faded away as those drums thump with authority on “Dog Days are Over,” and then how she howls back onto the scene, all fire and brimstone and that righteous command to run? Ceremonials has about twelve of those moments. It had to go this way, because Ceremonials is all about Ms. Welch – bold, dynamic, and unashamedly theatric. Of course she’d try to out-do herself.

Yet the underrated part of Welch’s success is not her set of pipes or her carefully crafted romantic image but rather her unique take on the pop arrangement. “What The Water Gave Me” is unlike any other song on the radio today, and frankly I doubt any other artist could pull it off. It’s the perfect mix between the progressive and the mainstream that characterizes the best of Welch’s work, that delicate interplay between oppressive goth and stadium-ready popular vocals, all coalescing into the quintessential Florence and the Machine song. It’s weird yet strangely accessible, name checking Greek mythology and playing up some heavy imagery into a pop single that appeals to the same people who buy Adele tickets and get in line for the latest Twilight movie. In essence, it’s the perfect example of just what makes Florence and the Machine such a unique success. It was so easy to dismiss Lungs as a one-off phenomenon, the perfect storm of that one-of-a-kind voice and that retro Kate Bush/prog feel, all buffeted by the mainstream press generated from “Dog Days Are Over.” Ceremonials, with its thrilling sense of continuity and the remarkable growth of Ms. Welch as a songwriter, forces us to change our perceptions: Florence Welch is the phenomenon, and we should all settle in for the long haul. – Rudy Klapper

6. Fleet Foxes – Helplessness Blues

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I like to think the reason we write reviews is to open a dialogue with whatever art we’re falling in love with (or loathing, but that’s not who I am). There are times when we can write forever, because our stay with an album has been that comfortable, but what of those times when we say that we, well, simply can’t say much? For me, it’s one of two things: A) we don’t damn well know what to say because the album is that unremarkable, or B) the album doesn’t invite us to think along with it. Those albums are stubborn bastards, often didactic but better loved when self-reflective. Those are the albums that wake up to new thoughts when the room has cleared out, or at least has to their creator’s illusive mind. Everyone out, don’t even listen to this if you don’t want to, it’s just a thought. Helplessness Blues is that. It speaks heavily and bitterly about age, and you don’t respond.

I like that epiphany factor, even this pessimistic. Fleet Foxes build their record on crackling foundations, fed up with it but not thoughtlessly so, simply awake to it. Because I don’t want to say Helplessness Blues is a resigned record. Rather, it closes the dialogue on its listener, even at its most open, and deals with these new realisations in its own way. It seems, just from all the damning of what is “unique,” that Pecknold is closing the book and working his weary heart backwards on some of these songs, but it’s not so; to be a “functioning cog” is not a statement he supposes he might as well make. It’s a new plea, a thought that he struck up when all the snowflakes fell the same. No, Helplessness Blues isn’t resigned, but it heads towards what it yearns. We are no interpreter for a record of mysterious men with folded arms. “What does that say about me?” is a rhetorical question that cycles back to Pecknold’s sad revelation of a mundane, unstoppable force that makes us ever older. But I like to think it invites the question treated as new. Helplessness Blues is an album that says “so!” at the beginning of its stories, an album of guess-this-happens and woke-up-one-mornings. It shows the bitterness of aging as an abrupt pang of the heart, something that comes onto Pecknold and decays his entire philosophy. And so quickly- it’s age Pecknold wakes up with every day.

So we say to this old wise man, this best imagined bearded Pecknold, why draw from the histories of American folk so heavily, perhaps even more than on Fleet Foxes’ debut? Probably for no reason that I would try and offer up in argument of open and closed dialogues- at the end of the day, it’s the music you love that you play, and darned if it doesn’t sound pretty impressive and just plain pretty- but I like to think there’s something of a harkening on Helplessness Blues that helps ease the nuisance of age. We can name whatever we want from the canon, and myself, I see the sparseness of Tim Hardin in “Someone You’d Admire.” But this album doesn’t care what I see. It doesn’t invite us to speculate, to crown it as another Great American Album. And of course I love it all the more for rudely shutting us up- how mysterious, how unambiguous, how weird to feel so old and yet look back so far. To have a sharp awakening softened by times before it. It makes sense. – Robin Smith

5. Manchester Orchestra – Simple Math

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The primary criticism of Manchester Orchestra’s latest bestowment lies within its own tendency to embellish that which has already been decorated. You see, Mean Everything to Nothing expanded upon the framework initially demonstrated by the raw, sensational I’m Like a Virgin Losing a Child with more complex instrumental arrangements, heavier screams, and even more psychologically revealing lyrics from precocious front man Andy Hull. Simple Math’s imperious utilization of strings, horns, and choirs drew the ire of many critics, who pointed to the album’s reliance on such hackneyed methods as a means of applying makeup to a work that is full of holes. While Simple Math’s liberal usage of these techniques cannot be denied nor overlooked, it would be criminal likewise to assume that they exist merely as patchwork. The album is actually filled to the brim with untouched ideas, even if they aren’t the most complex. The first thing that comes to mind is the way that ‘Pensacola’ constantly shifts gears to the point where it probably could have been divided up into three unique tracks. The threadbare existence of the opening ‘Deer’ and closing ‘Leaky Breaks’ is another obvious example, acting as exhales surrounding an otherwise wound up ordeal. The profound delivery of what amounts to technically basic material, though, is kind of the whole point. It’s a tool used to express how we over exaggerate the emotional conflicts that we harbor within, when in reality the solution is directly in front of us: simple math. The theme of overreaching, or scrutinizing the obvious to a fault, is represented through every exaggerated note, haunting children’s choir, and daunting string section. Perhaps Andy Hull states it best during the chorus of the title track, when he poignantly inquires, “What if we’ve been trying to get to where we’ve always been?” If Manchester Orchestra is capable of making such a self-reflective statement, maybe there is a purpose to all the fanfare after all. – Steve

4. Frank Turner – England Keep My Bones

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The rocks and ridges that make up my homeland never seemed very much like home to me; they were always either being bulldozed by some grey shade of an economic nightmare, or owned by people and institutions rooted too firmly in the past. 2011 will forever be the year I learned to look past both of those unfortunate façades, both literally and figuratively, and I have Frank Turner to thank for that. So frequently on England Keep My Bones does he sing with conviction about roots and legacy that it has taught me to see the beauty in those things, but, more than merely a transferred tick on a census form, the reason Turner’s fourth studio album is so earth-shattering lies in its values rather than old ruins and photographs.

On “Peggy Sang The Blues” he pleads that where you go matters far more than where you come from, and all of England Keep My Bones finds itself somewhere within that statement, acknowledging the past on more than a casual basis but never journeying back into it. Turner’s sound itself has shifted a couple of gears since the days of Sleep Is For The Week, but it’s the ever-present and unchanging blood of his songwriting perspective that shines most prominently here, transforming the physical act of decay into a stunning metaphor one moment and conjuring Bob Dylan as the hero of an escape story the next. From top to bottom, England Keep My Bones is a call to arms which treasures ancestry and memory but cares not for complacency, and for embodying these qualities it stands as Turner’s greatest achievement to date – which is saying quite a lot indeed. – Adam Knott

3. M83 – Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming

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Anthony Gonzalez has never been exactly subtle with anything he has ever done under the M83 moniker. Then again, 2011 might have just been the perfect year for M83 to break out into the mainstream consciousness. The year was all about a redux of the 80’s grandiosity; from the big synths of Mylo Xyloto to the big drums and bigger choruses of Ceremonials, 2011 wanted to announce itself in big twinkling neon lights for all the world to see. In such a fluorescent backdrop, the singular hook that opens “Midnight City” epitomizes why M83’s Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming, even more than predecessors Dead Cities or Before the Dawn, marks Anthony Gonzalez as a songwriter worth noticing—even if the song still seems odd on a Victoria’s Secret commercial (but then again Menomena is on a Crown Royal one, so yay Capitalism). Each track runs like a little rivulet into the night time, and yes the hyperbole is necessary. This album is massive. At a staggering 22 tracks, M83 put the long in long-player. And yet, everything here fits snugly into the world of the album. The rocketing synth-pop numbers like “Steve McQueen,” the epic releases like “Intro,” the soothing ballads like “Wait,” the ethereal interstitials like “Where the Boats Go” (which, by the way, is just the end of OMD’s “Sealand”): everything here flows together to make the album an experience.

That may sound cliché, but it is exactly what Gonzalez has in mind. With all the talk amongst artists about the loss of the album as a necessary medium, M83 mark their alterity by doing the opposite; what differs Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming from a myriad of other albums that fain similar attempts at an all-encompassing experience is that Gonzalez totally invests himself in the idea. No matter your thoughts on the album it is impossible to fault the effort. In an age where patience and investment flitters slowly away in favour of the immediate, M83 rewards the listener who envelops themselves within the record’s simulacrum of dreams. And it is a warm world. For all the skyline disco synth buzzes and big hooks built for big stages, this album feels equally at home languidly rolling through your ear-buds on the bus home at night as it does amongst a large group of people dancing mindlessly to the bass lines. Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming is ultimately a singular album that is certainly indebted to the past—Talking Heads, Kraftwerk, OMD—but marks itself as something branded altogether original. A dream of return, to the places you have known before, but have changed with age and perception. The hill you struggled up on your bike as a child now seems but a footstep; the comfort from these ideas of nostalgia and perception are rolled together against big backdrops, catchy choruses and a 2011-defining sound. It’s almost typically American: small stories set against large vistas. These small stories are warm and inviting; these big backdrops are catchy as hell. Sorry Mr. Gonzalez, I’ll take my time while you dream away. – Keelan H.

2. James Blake – James Blake

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It would be so easy to simply write off James Blake’s LP as merely a great album and let it simply speak for itself. But James Blake isn’t a piece of work that comes at you with a rumble; no, it’s subdued, nervous even, hesitant to raise its voice for fear of being noticed. Because James Blake is an artist who deliberately shies away from the obvious; from the honest accusations that seem to be weighing him down like a ton of bricks, he deals more in lingering afterthoughts, the little niggles that just won’t go away. Doled out under a hazy sheen of blue smoke and battlefield grey, James Blake’s eponymous debut LP is a therapeutic affair, as if the constant repetition might finally break away the self-imposed walls he’s confined himself too. That an answer, or at the very least, an understanding might be reached, however difficult it might be to digest. Or maybe, these mantra’s are James Blake’s way of simply shocking himself into submission, as if the reiterations aren’t so much a determined call to arms, but the echo of his statements bouncing back at him, still going unanswered and thus, only haunting him further.

And what gives this album its brooding honesty is that Blake discards the vocal samples he liberally employed to sum up his feelings and opts instead for his own slightly disjointed, occasionally fragmented voice. So even when he didn’t speak those chasms of silence were far from empty, instead marked by fear and hesitation, perhaps even nervous embarrassment as he tried to find the right words to say. Even from a strictly musical perspective was a touch of uncertainty present, as if when Blake felt the floor giving way beneath him, so too would his music seemingly disappear into the abyss, only to slowly clamber back up, a little more shaken and weary. Ignoring the questions surrounding Blake’s apparent ambiguous presence in the music world (“this sure don’t sound like no dubstep”), if Blake’s new lease on life is to be the apparent landmark for the genre in 2011 (and all signs point to yes) then it’s also highly possible to posit the notion that he might have inadvertently given dubstep the kiss of death, simply because rising over this unassuming slab of clumsy yet heartfelt emotion is going to be a task that only few will be up to. While this might not be the greatest achievement of the year, it’s gotten to this point because of its sheer determination to avoid such frivolities and grandeur. And really, could any of you imagine a 2011 without James Blake? – Deviant

1. Bon Iver – Bon Iver, Bon Iver

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I still recall my first experience of Bon Iver’s follow-up to the intensely personal For Emma, Forever Ago. The buzz of the same communities that had thrown their arms around Justin Vernon’s 2008 falsetto and naked guitar had turned to some form of reverence, and all the talk was of an evolution; how the man that had spent months isolated in a winter cabin had morphed into something grander. And I wondered, as I listened: how can you pull yourself far enough away from Bon Iver to form these opinions? How are you able to separate these notes, these songs… these two albums?

Because – honestly – for the first and second listen, I hadn’t even latched onto the fact that the acoustic chords had been replaced by drones, so immersed did I find myself in the atmosphere set by “Perth”’s rolling drums – an ambience that didn’t relent, however much silence was offered, until after (and only after) “Beth/Rest” had exhaled its last. When a record pulls you towards its artistic centre like this one does, what does its surface much matter?

And I realised at that point that one important difference did exist between Bon Iver’s self-titled and his stunning debut; this one didn’t require the safety net of a broken man to catch it should it fall apart. Not that For Emma ever collapsed in such a way, but it was guarded from the shadows, and there is something to be said for the way Vernon brazenly constructs Bon Iver from everywhere and nowhere – the tracks, even, elude the focussed (if imagined) co-ordinates of his first record, and chart stories all across North America.

This atmosphere, evasive and meandering, tugging on your hand like it’s pretending it wants to get away, and the intangible, almost-magical kinship it shares with For Emma’s most vulnerable moments, are the things that – from both inside and outside – make Bon Iver such a startling achievement. These floods of electronics, even “Beth/Rest”’s 80s balladry, are still Bon Iver, in the most real sense possible; as Vernon states himself on “Minnesota, WI”, he did not lose it in the stacks. Nothing at all. It’s still gorgeous; it still makes everything stand still. That even without the backstory, without the bearded-man image, without the element of surprise, Justin Vernon is still capable of flooring us: this is what so many people heard so clearly three years ago. – Adam Knott

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Contributing Staff Members

Nick Butler | Cam | Damrod | DaveyBoy | Deviant | Dave Donnelly | Adam Downer | Jeremy F.
Tyler Fisher | Ryan Flatley | Channing Freeman | Nick Greer | Andrew H. | Keelan H. | Daniel Incognito
Jom | Rudy Klapper | Adam Knott | Steve M. | Lewis P. | Robin Smith | Trey Spencer  | Mike Stagno
Conrad Tao | Adam Thomas | Kyle Ward | Matt Wolfe | Sobhi Youssef

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Xenophanes
01.13.12
Called it....sort of....


Ugh, 10. Seriously??

The rest is great though. This year was fucking awesome and this list was indicative of it

Deviant.
01.13.12
Yeah, no Zomby and no Submo

Not a happy chap

AngelofDeath
01.13.12
Shock and awe.

Not bad that BI got the top spot, though.

pizzamachine
01.13.12
The top three are good! yay

wabbit
01.13.12
too many cooks in the kitchen

Xenophanes
01.13.12
Wasn't aware so many staffers were so keen on 5

rasputin
01.13.12
is this a joke where the fuck is PJ harvey

goddam u guys suk

SowingSeason
01.13.12
list rules

bon iver wouldn't have been my top choice but it was on almost everyone's list I think so it makes a good concensus #1

klap
01.13.12
the fact that swarms is on here is amazing enough work for one year dev

Lucid
01.13.12
Called the first four in that order. 5 was a surprise

Days of Future Passed
01.13.12
I guess BTMI! didn't make it.

Pretty good list. Glad to see Swarms so high.

SowingSeason
01.13.12
yea really

wabbit
01.13.12
god i agree with sam feldman..shoot me



wait till the masses realize BTMI! didnt make the top 50

iFghtffyrdmns
01.13.12
frank turner not number one.
whew

Electric City
01.13.12
zzzzzzz

Xenophanes
01.13.12
only true surprise was 10

Kris.
01.13.12
no vacation goddammit brb hanging myself

Spare
01.13.12
shut the fuck up chambered 2011 wasn't lame this list is just balls because it's a sputnik staff list

Spare
01.13.12
harsh but spare

SowingSeason
01.13.12
personally I always love it when people put a lot of work into a list and then people call it balls and whine about the lack of their personal favorite

but that's just me

Lucid
01.13.12
this is the first time i've actually noticed what is on the cover of kaputt

Electric City
01.13.12
lol @ the new staffers dealing with the whiny buillshit for the first time :')

Trebor.
01.13.12
1 isn't even as good as For Emma

SowingSeason
01.13.12
lol it's expected, different opinions and all that

Deviant.
01.13.12
Opinions? fuck 'em

Rawrz
01.13.12
Hell yeah Simple Math was great. Happy to see it at 5 which I didnt expect since it seemed to be a one of those albums people really loved or disliked.

Killerhit
01.13.12
Yeah Simple Math should of been #1.

klap
01.13.12
what opinions? this is the objective top 10 obey

Trebor.
01.13.12
should have

Ire
01.13.12
oh well im glad my aoty made the top 50 this time

mothercountry
01.13.12
Jaar not making the top 50 is pure comedy, good job staff-

Satellite
01.13.12
choices are lolbad, but good job with this guys

dimsim3478
01.13.12
So bummed by one.

no vacation goddammit brb hanging myself [2]

only surprise was 10 [2]

DaveyBoy
01.13.12
As Sowing said earlier:

"bon iver wouldn't have been my top choice but it was on almost everyone's list I think so it makes a good concensus #1"

zxlkho
01.13.12
WTF no Submotion Orchestra?????

Rev
01.13.12
ugh 1

Satellite
01.13.12
you cunts with yr "HOW DID YOU FORGET X?" bullshit need to chill (but seriously, no VACATION?!).

the peasants' best-of will slay this.

zxlkho
01.13.12
I only said what I said because I was pretty sure that a lot of the staff LOVED Submotion Orchestra. I was definitely expecting it in the top 10...

plane
01.13.12
bon iver wouldn't have been my top choice but it was on almost everyone's list I think so it makes a good concensus #1 [3]

dimsim3478
01.13.12
Hopefully 10 satisfies Hep Kat's "needs moar punk" request.

Xenophanes
01.13.12
The worst is when users bitch about the user' list...

Electric City
01.13.12
"Hopefully 10 satisfies Hep Kat's "needs moar punk" request."

i was most worried about this too

Satellite
01.13.12
or when voters bitch about election results

Butkuiss
01.13.12
Surprised 10 got on here, especially above Departues and/or Defeater. Seeing Swarms and M83 is great though.

immortalizepain
01.13.12
I was surprised about 10. But whatever, the list is pretty good. All those albums hyped last year, predictably went into the top 10.

Athom
01.13.12
bon iver was my number one and touche and and fleet foxes followed it so i'm happy with this list haha

wittwright
01.13.12
No love for The Wonder Years... I think the album was well liked enough by the Sputnik community to justify a top 50 spot...


Athom
01.13.12
the staff list doesn't represent the "community". it represents the staff. wait for the user list if you want to see whatever the hell the "community" liked.

Trebor.
01.13.12
This is the staff list genius
That average album will be in the top of the users list

Satellite
01.13.12
i really hope not

StrizzMatik
01.13.12
No Beach Boys Smile Sessions? Seriously?

theacademy
01.13.12

THANK YOU FOR PURCHASING PERIPHERYS SELF TITLED DEBUT LONG PLAY RECORD, PERIPHERY! ON THIS ALBUM YOULL HEAR HEAVY METAL, A GENRE OF MUSIC FROM THE FUTURE. BE DAZZLED BY DISTORTION, BE BOMBARDED BY BASS BEATS, AND JITTERBUG TO DJENT! WERE SURE YOULL ENJOY SUCH FINGERPOPPING TUNES AS LIGHT, INSOMNIA, AND MY OWN PERSONAL FAVORITE, RAGTIME DANDIES

twlichty
01.13.12
Cant believe there is no Submotion Orchestra on this list, decent list overall.
great top 10

Deviant.
01.13.12
"No Beach Boys Smile Sessions? Seriously?"

No, this list is a rather elaborate joke we put together purely for your expense

Trebor.
01.13.12
I'm not even sure if Smile Sessions counts considering it's technically not a new album

clercqie
01.13.12
A lot of this list came as a surprise to me, actually...

AsoTamaki
01.13.12
None of this is at all surprising. Bon Iver as #1 is as predictable as it gets.
EVEN PITCHFORK'S LIST WAS BETTER YOU LOSERS!

sniper
01.13.12
but touche amore was painfully average.

Slum
01.13.12
sick list guys, well done once again

HBFS
01.13.12
definitely surprised by #10, great list though

WeepingBanana
01.13.12
yeah seriously no BTMI

Tyrael
01.13.12
yeah seriously no BTMI [2]

but yeah yay for Swarms

iambandersnatch
01.13.12
1 and 10 are a bit surprising

iambandersnatch
01.13.12
p.s. did anyone else notice how -incredibly- hipster and metal-less this top 10 is (other than #10)?

I love indie too but damn son you guys need to staff more metalheads to balance that shit out

HBFS
01.13.12
1 isn't really surprising at all

deadsye
01.13.12
I'M NOT SAD ANYMORE

fish.
01.13.12
Would've been nice to see another staff member's opinion of Old Raves End

Butkuiss
01.13.12
Psht, Dev would have ghost written it anyway!

fish.
01.13.12
10: Good, but no where near top 10 material and probably the least enjoyable 'wave' album of the 4 I heard last year
9: Never heard of them
8: Pretty great
7: Haven't heard it in full yet but Lungs was really good and I love What The Water Gave Me
6: Haven't heard it, have no intention of doing so
5: Painfully boring, except for the title track and Virgin
4: Haven't heard it
3: Listened to it once so far. A little too much to take in just yet, but Midnight City is one of my favourite songs of last year
2: Eurgh
1: Haven't heard it yet

Eclecticist
01.13.12
I am sure that the staff and contributors here at sputnik were just waiting for AnarchistFish's approval on their list of top 10 albums of 2011.

Douglas
01.13.12
Great list, top 5 is splendid!

fish.
01.13.12
@Eclecticist,
I wonder what that comments section is for. It couldn't possibly be to allow people to comment and give their own opinions on the list

fish.
01.13.12
@Eclecticist,
I wonder what that comments section is for. It couldn't possibly be to allow people to comment and give their own opinions on the list

Eclecticist
01.13.12
If you have an opinion and you are going to write it as "1: Haven't heard it yet" or "8: Pretty great", don't expect anyone to give a shit. You lose marks for giving incomplete answers anyways, that gold star beside your name is coming off of the board.

fish.
01.13.12
incomplete answers as oppose to the partial and interspersed comments everyone else posts. yeah

fish.
01.13.12
incomplete answers as oppose to the partial and interspersed comments everyone else posts. yeah

fish.
01.13.12
ffs this thing

Deviant.
01.13.12
How is:

"9: Never heard of them"

an opinion on this list?

fish.
01.13.12
an opinion on the albums on this list

HBFS
01.13.12
....

Deviant.
01.13.12
Okay, let's dumb it down a little bit. How is "I haven't heard it" an opinion of an album?

fish.
01.13.12
I did say 'opinions and comments' before.

AutoRock
01.13.12
Not Bad. But No the Roots? At all? No Youth Lagoon? At All? No Submotion Orchestra? At All?
All of them should easily appear in the top 50 i think.
And 7 was pretty fucking bad.

clercqie
01.13.12
Maybe a top 100 would have resulted in less criticism... We all knew they couldn't put everything in a top 50, but the resulting list is really good and diverse (aside from the lack of metal) if you ask me.

DaveyBoy
01.13.12
I heard that after this list was posted, Submotion Orchestra officially changed their name to... Sub-Manchester Orchestra!

SucDePortocale
01.13.12
was hoping for more heavy stuff on here so i could get some recs. most of it seems to be indie or stuff close to that.Not that i have anything against it but i get tired if i listen to it in large amounts. I'll probably check some stuff out when I'll be in the mood.

SowingSeason
01.13.12
Sub-Manchester Orchestra? That's something to imagine.

Maniac!
01.13.12
LOLOLOL

the new bon iver sucks

thebhoy
01.13.12
I find 4 and 5 really bland. I don't listen to Touche Amore, and to be honest I can't say I've ever even heard of Swarms (guess I'm bad at music or something). All in all, yay!

tuk
01.13.12
besides 10 and 5 I totally approve of this list

KILL
01.13.12
m/

Crysis
01.13.12
m/

Aids
01.13.12
ok top 10. I knew Bon Iver would be #1 ages ago.

Eclecticist
01.13.12
I rate this list a 2.5

Aids
01.13.12
"so predictable lol"

obviously. Fuck I hate comments like that.

Crysis
01.13.12
"I knew Bon Iver would be #1 ages ago. "

"obviously. Fuck I hate comments like that."

00mee
01.13.12
didn't realize Touche Amore was so well recieved by staff; would have thought La dispute had the better album in that style/genre/'wave' at least.

Excellent list, wish people would stop bashing albums they didn't want to see here though, and praise the ones that did.

Aids
01.13.12
haha Crysis LEAVE ME ALONE

NeutralThunder12
01.13.12
really glad to see 10 and 1 on here, 2 is severely overrated though

TooLateToGoBack
01.13.12
Definitely saw Bon Iver getting #1. Glad M83 made the top 10, though.

Crysis
01.13.12
"haha Crysis LEAVE ME ALONE"

;)

poorzack
01.13.12
no youth lagoon at all?

mvood
01.13.12
wow didn't expect some of these to be in the top 10

aok
01.13.12
james blake would sneak its way into my top 10, but other than that, most of these would be around 50-60 for me

FromDaHood
01.13.12
Destroyer is a little too high I think, but it's better than not being on the list I suppose

omgraptors
01.13.12
metal is a lesser style it doesnt have to be in the top 50

Axel
01.13.12
i liked the list guys awesome

porch
01.13.12
dull, but the users list will be worse

aok
01.13.12
zomby, jaar, submotion orhcestra (which i liked more than swarms), roots all probly deserved a spot in the top 50 but this is still solid. wayy better than last.fm's list ..

'bon iver was my number one and touche and and fleet foxes followed it so i'm happy with this list haha' -- i knew adam thomas secretly formed all of the staff's opinions for them ..

luschlotz
01.13.12
no PJ Harvey???? or Elbow?:(.... Still awesome list

MO
01.13.12
nice lists staffers

Eko
01.13.12
Pretty nice, some surprises

"The primary criticism of Manchester Orchestra’s latest bestowment lies within its own tendency to embellish that which has already been decorated."

Glad someone finally was able to put this into words for me...

00mee
01.13.12
love the description of Bon Iver btw, great job Knott

robin
01.13.12
no st vincent???? :(

oh wait, what

Pentagon
01.13.12
wtf no bomb the music industry? damn.

sportsboy
01.13.12
WHERE THE HELL IS DAVID COMES TO LIFE

wabbit
01.13.12
it's a dumb thing to complain about but the fact jaar and pj harvey aren't here makes me a sad panda.


I still haven't heard a good argument as to why bon iver is good other that "it has awesome atmosphere/ it's pretty"

AlecBaldwin
01.13.12
^^ Read a bloody review then.

sportsboy
01.13.12
i thought it deserved better than touche amore, and i love touche amore

fish.
01.13.12
"And really, could any of you imagine a 2011 without James Blake?"
pretty easily

Knott-
01.13.12
"I still haven't heard a good argument as to why bon iver is good other that "it has awesome atmosphere/ it's pretty""

Well, those things, plus the melodies, plus the imagery, impact me for the entirety of its runtime. What "arguments" are you looking for, exactly?

Phideaux
01.13.12
Genuinely surprised that Horrible Crowes isn't on here anywhere. Pretty good list though. Loved Simple Math and Frank Turner. Also, Bon Iver is excellent.

aok
01.13.12
i do like bon iver more than fleet foxes, but i find that the sound doesn't vary enough for me to consider it a truly top tier album. respectable #1 of 2011 nonetheless

fish.
01.13.12
"Genuinely surprised that Horrible Crowes isn't on here anywhere"
oh that's a good point

I really like the Bon Iver album cover

Yuma310
01.13.12
btmi was boring at best

Hopeland
01.13.12
k seriously, no Youth Lagoon?

Hopeland
01.13.12
wait, no St.Vincent either? what the heck

AsoTamaki
01.13.12
Isn't the list indie enough for you? Calm down. Jeez.

Knott-
01.13.12
True, list could definitely do with more indie.

Tyrael
01.13.12
Yea

KNOTT

AggravatedYeti
01.13.12
down with this

CasinoColumbus
01.13.12
NO DESIGN THE SKYLINE!? U GUYS MAD? BEST BAND EVAH!

Seriously though, nice list, nice descriptions, nice pictures, lame comments etc. etc.

Electric City
01.13.12
surprised the soundoffs havent gotten more cred. They're by far the best I've seen in my years on Sputnik.

AngelofDeath
01.13.12
Yeah, these fuckheads need to tone it a down a bit. I don't want to look bad when my five-sentence-long write-ups get posted.

omnipanzer
01.13.12
I don't think 1 was 1 but I don't doubt that this is probably the proper top 10.

xStayxTruex
01.13.12
Touche in the top 10? I am pleased.

aok
01.13.12
i can't remember - is there going to be a worst of 2011 list also?

Inveigh
01.13.12
list has looked amazing and the write-ups were definitely great -- nice work fellas.

on a side note (and this has probably already been mentioned, I'm just not going to read through the threads) -- were there any metal albums on the list besides Corrupted?

klap
01.13.12
what is metal?

Inveigh
01.13.12
i think it's something invented by jack black

Inveigh
01.13.12
also only one hip hop album (Shabazz Palaces) and it's barely hip hop

Electric City
01.13.12
depends on how you count the weeknd. but so far as I can tell, a lot of the staff liked some hip hop from this year, but we each found a niche. Some people were into Danny Brown, others Drake, myself L.W.H. Shabazz was the only album most of us included.

Inveigh
01.13.12
that makes sense, and yeah the weeknd's borderline

I still need to check out that LWH record

Irving
01.13.12
Some of the writing on this three parter has been absolutely top-notch. Interesting to note that Bon Iver has virtually topped almost every music site's 2011 list thus far. Good work guys - and special kudos to Willie for making everything look nice and slick. IMHO, it might be a good idea to release this list a bit earlier in future - we should try and aim for the first week of January at the very least. Cause at this rate the Users' Best Of will only be wrapped up sometime next week, and we'd be more than halfway through January by then. It just looks a tad anachronistic right now (that being said I am aware many of the Staff writers are students/people with real lives and organizing such a leap forward in time may be more detrimental than necessary).

In any case, good job guys.

SowingSeason
01.13.12
We did aim for earlier but holiday stuff came up and basically what you said about people having lives...can't wait to see the user list.

theacademy
01.13.12
bangers&mash all up in this list

Irving
01.13.12
Wow my writings have been really rambly and unfocused lately (just realized how circumlocutory and redundant parts of my last comment were).

theacademy
01.13.12
at least apologize for them!

Tyrael
01.13.12
"can't wait to see the user list"

If it looks anything like this I might have to quit sputnik

SowingSeason
01.13.12
Did you always complain this much tyrael?

Tyrael
01.13.12
yea

theacademy
01.13.12
7 is so fucking derivative

just eat that shit up

Hep Kat
01.13.12
disappointing. i'd have to say 50-31 was the best part of this list.

Irving
01.13.12
Hate to disappoint you Ty but there isn't much metal in the Users List. There is a little more, but it's not much, and most of it is sitting on the wrong end of the list.

Athom
01.13.12
lol like staff cares what you plebeians think. personally i think all the bitching is hilarious. if you kids get this worked up over an arbitrary website i can't wait to see what happens when real shit starts going down hahahahahaha

Tyrael
01.13.12
Really? *sigh*

well, thanks for letting me know Irving

Irving
01.13.12
Speaking of which, does the Users list start dropping tomorrow?

fish.
01.13.12
as long as Thursday is high up I don't mind

Inveigh
01.13.12
has bitching been a common theme in these threads? I mean I know it usually is so idk why I'd think it would be different this year.

Metamorphosis
01.13.12
I didn't think Touche's and Bon Iver's new album were so well received by staff either. Holy fuck. Anyway, not a bad list and shit. Most of my top ten is sprawled throughout 50-11.

Athom
01.13.12
it always is and its always funny. staff hasnt done their job if it doesnt cause mass bitching. we take pride in it

Tyrael
01.13.12
In that case: my congratulations Adam

Knott-
01.13.12
The solution to this riddle is simple. This is the combined tastes of xx Staff members. If your favourite record isn't here, it's because that opinion wasn't shared by enough Staff members. RIDDLE SOLVED?

And as for, "Really? *sigh*

well, thanks for letting me know Irving"

- how will I keep liking the things I like if other people don't justify my opinionz!

luschlotz
01.13.12
You know what will bw funny??? The Staff laughing off how the user list will suck, and have their revenge on us. Still sad about PJ. . . .

bonus
01.13.12
Wow! I'm trying not to let the prejudicial fact that I agree with the top 10 skew my view that, damn you have a way with words! Love your written word. Great work.

Electric City
01.13.12
thats it bonus is invited to the staff pool party

Axel
01.13.12
dear god the sound off for 1 makes me wanna change my opinion

i feel invalid

theacademy
01.13.12
Axel:

http://aliceindreamland.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/axel4.jpg

Axel
01.13.12
never played the game

but yes

Electric City
01.13.12
academy and i had the same thought

theacademy
01.13.12
i'm going to get teardrop tats (if those are what those actually are)

Irving
01.13.12
Can I come to the pool party too?

Jom
01.13.12
People are free to bitch about the list because lol opinions, but I get legitimately angry when people bitch about the aesthetics and writing that goes into making these things. Trey does enough as it is, and he has - for the past couple years - done a phenomenal job with this. For some of you to solely focus on the numerical part of the list instead of the presentation/aesthetics/sound-offs, you have no business criticizing anything. None of you introduced [insert artist/album that you think should be on the list here] to the site on your own (unless it was your shitty minimalist side project that you do on your own time), so let's ease up on the vitriol where possible and appreciate the work that went into organizing, writing, and publishing it. Disagree with placement all you like, but all these passive-aggressive "list is shit, lol butts" comments are going to have to be deleted and purged. Granted, those of you who have a little more substance to your opinions, they're obviously appreciated and don't go unnoticed, even if they slag the staffers' opinions. And obviously a huge much-appreshed goes out to the users who say that the damn thing looks sexy, because it does.

Electric City
01.13.12
"list is shit, lol butts" might be the best five words you've ever written

Hep Kat
01.13.12
yeah i mean, sure, aesthetically this shit rocks. it's awesome. and yeah, it's well-written, and it's the awesomest pussy getting internet thing i've seen ever right right


but gd man i woulda been happier seen that dropkick album on here than a lot of these, which believe it or not i did listen to at some point (for the most part)

Tyrael
01.13.12
Yeah the writing on this list is great, good job on that guys

Jom
01.13.12
Well, that was kind of the thing... we got to about 44 consensus records (where 2+ staffers had them on their lists) but then Willie, myself, and a couple others had their #1 records, and we decided, in good conscience, that we need to have 45-50 be consensus records, even if the consensus was that they were in a more lukewarm part of people's lists. What we got for 45-50 was that. For example, I know that Tom Waits had like four or five picks, but they were all in the teens and twenties on those respective staffers' lists. However, the group felt that it's better to have something like Foo Fighters or Tom Waits (where there were multiple votes) vs. Dropkick (or whatever staffer had a #1 album that wasn't picked by anybody else).

Granted, you said you liked 50-31 better, but there just isn't a whole lot of punk coverage now that pixies and DFelon are off doing their own thing. I would pick up the slack in some respects, as would others, but the punk releases are typically taken by users who just download the leak, write a review, and then wait for LOL IT'S STREAMING NOW (and you can always tell which ones fall in that camp vs. those who don't).

Also, it just seems to happen that our most articulate writers like the same stuff. I'm sure Crysis is less enthused about the lack of metal on the list compared to the Sputfork/Pitchnik stuff, but it is what it is, and I'm sure I could find one or two redeeming things about all fifty albums each if I were forced to listen to all of them, but I just don't have the patience or time to have a session like that.

theacademy
01.13.12
i honestly think trey's work is a bit limited by the blog platform. This still looks great, but some of the old features were gorgeous...

Jom
01.13.12
To clarify that first paragraph: there were a number of us who picked a record as our #1 record (see: me with 'Going Out In Style'), but no other staffer had it on his/her list, so we can't have a heavily-tilted record from one of us on a consensus list -- when we were talking about it, that didn't make sense. So, we went for the "Have records that have multiple votes by staffers even if the placement on their lists is in the teens or twenties". It made more sense in my head when I was thinking about what to say, but as you can probably tell, the execution lacked a bit.

thebhoy
01.13.12
there's not enough Black Sabbath riffs that have been slightly altered and stretched to over ten minutes and played with a viking helmet so that it can be diverse.

Electric City
01.13.12
the old feature system was buggy as fuck though. it still pains me to remember the one time i used it

insomniac15
01.13.12
hmm, after reading this list I've got a lot of 2011 albums to listen to

thebhoy
01.13.12
that's the real problem for most of the users Jom.

aok
01.13.12
would love to read a review of 'going out in style' by you Jom if you ever feel the urge / have free time.

Willie
01.13.12
My personal list had more metal than it has ever before, but none of it made it here... only the indie/alt. rock stuff... turns out Crysis, Redsky and I didn't like the same metal albums.

--i honestly think trey's work is a bit limited by the blog platform. --

That it is.

Irving
01.13.12
"LIST IS SHIT LOL BUTTS" has all the ingredients required to become a meme on here.

Maize
01.13.12
How you guys forgot Vacation is beyond me. Its easily a better album than anything 20-50.

Dummit
01.13.12
there's still the users list to see if X made it, or made it higher than here. the staff opinion is not the users opinion most of the time, although it slightly contributes.

users list will have more m/

HenchmanOfSanta
01.13.12
Where the fuck is Defeater?

Athom
01.13.12
that newest defeater album was so lacking though compared to their last two releases...

NeutralThunder12
01.13.12
yeah lost ground is like a 5 empty days isnt bad but its more like a 3.5

sniper
01.13.12
new defeater was only marginally worse than touche amore though and that hit the top 10.

paxman
01.13.12
This is probably my favorite 2011 list I've seen. Good job, guys!

And for everyone who is complaining about how "predictable" the top ten was, well....next year, just don't listen to any music or read any reviews (or don't Sputnik at all), because then the list won't be so "predictable." Seriously, if you pay any attention at all during the year then you'll know what makes the list; it's the writing and the placement that's supposed to be interesting.

Athom
01.13.12
more like 3.5 all around.

sniper
01.13.12
i wasn't complaining. it's retarded to be like "OMG ALL THEEZ ALBUMZ ON HERE R THE ONES U GUYZ WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL YEAR WTF SO PREDICABLE"

paxman
01.13.12
That wasn't really directed at you, Sniper.

robertsona
01.13.12
i like the missing proper noun in the first sentence of klappers review

klap
01.13.12
nothing PROPER about it amirite

chug73
01.14.12
Cool, metal is a genre that no longer get a mention.
Fuck this list. Not saying that it should be a metal list, but really?

deathofasalesman
01.14.12
No BTMI!?

Deviant.
01.14.12
Do people think that since the last "no btm?i" comment that we've since decided to add it to the feature?

AsoTamaki
01.14.12
You guys are going about this the wrong way. A petition needs to be started instead.

Electric City
01.14.12
they're looking for answers, Dev, and I'm going to provide them. Ready guys?

BTMI did not acquire the necessary amount of points, measured in #of lists and ranking on said list, to make the top 50. Hope this clears things up

Satellite
01.14.12
we're not agry, just disappointed.

Blackbelt54
01.14.12
yay Frank Turner, Touche Amore is pretty good too... I don't like Fleet Foxes though

Deviant.
01.14.12
"they're looking for answers, Dev, and I'm going to provide them."

I just like stirring the pot

Knott-
01.14.12
Part of the problem is that I get the impression half the people complaining would prefer to see albums they've never heard of on this list than albums they've heard and weren't blown away by. 'Cause for all the "lol so indie" comments, what people are actually moaning about is how non-indie this list is in relation to the things they've seen hyped during the year, and to that extent, it's fucking stupid.

Rowan5215
01.14.12
Fuck yeah, Simple Math.

thebhoy
01.14.12
where's the NPR article when you need it...

IAmHollywood
01.14.12
like other mentioned, dissapointed about the exclusion of Vacation but the list is pretty good.

iambandersnatch
01.14.12
Perhaps it would just be better to make separate lists for each genre - I know it looks spiffier to have an all-inclusive, all-definitive "Top 50 of 2011" but you guys are all heavily partial to a couple genres (indie mostly with a lesser nod to electronica) so it doesn't end up being terribly objective.

It's like asking a bunch of basketball writers who know much less about football to compile a "Top Sports Plays of 2011" list - inevitably there's going to be a lot more basketball plays on there. But if you split it into top basketball plays and top football plays then it ends up being fairer.

/two cents

klap
01.14.12
there is a separate list for metal it's called Crysis' Year End 2011 List

Deviant.
01.14.12
"Perhaps it would just be better to make separate lists for each genre"

wut

Athom
01.14.12
hoooooooooooow about no

Athom
01.14.12
me crysis and willie had metal on our list but those albums (except for Corrupted) didnt make it. once again, this is a list as the staff as a collective, not a definitive everything fucking ever.

Captain North
01.14.12
Touche s'more at 10 above all other hardcore releases? Wtf? It was good but not that good

Knott-
01.14.12
My list was pretty much all metal but it must've gotten lost in the counting somewhere.

Crysis
01.14.12
"there is a separate list for metal it's called Crysis' Year End 2011 List"

had to give quite a few sexual favors for that one

thebhoy
01.14.12
WE NEED TO OBJECTIFY OUR PERSONAL TASTES IN MUSIC. That's it! How have we not thought of this?

wabbit
01.14.12
staff list shows the key flaw in democracy. You lose the dynamics and get the safe and perhaps more bland boring albums.


but like the 50-31 is super super awesome.

Athom
01.14.12
i remember i had an idea a little over a year ago that could have solved this. keyser soze

theacademy
01.14.12
wat were monicas pixxx

Satellite
01.14.12
MY PENIS LOL

theacademy
01.14.12
1. Sats penis
2. Amos lee
3. ??

Deviant.
01.14.12
3. Segways

theacademy
01.14.12
hahahahahah

gotsthedewsdood
01.14.12
surprised there was no submotion orchestra?
i'm sure deviant would have had a say in that right?

Deviant.
01.14.12
CONSENSUS VOTE

AngelofDeath
01.14.12
Lol. Hard concept.

Trebor.
01.14.12
electoral college

AngelofDeath
01.14.12
Yeah, SubMo was a third party candidate.

KeithStone582
01.14.12
No Vacation?

damn...

paxman
01.14.12
AAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGG

DinoX
01.14.12
moar core

DinoX
01.14.12
Glad to see 9 on here

Irving
01.14.12
I lol-ed at Monica's pics. Thanks Acad, Dev, and Sat's penis I guess.

Aphrodisiac
01.14.12
Terrible list as expected. These albums are good but there is no diversity. There are 1000000 other lists that look exactly like it. This site is going downhill.

DinoX
01.14.12
don't let pitchfork win

xenocide.
01.14.12
No Metal? Only Corrupted at #45? Wtf?

Imperial
01.14.12
"No Metal? Only Corrupted at #45? Wtf?"

Well it isn't suppose to be represent of the Sputnik community's opinions. The list is representing how the staff felt as a collective about 2011. The year end user lists are way different. With that being said fuck this list.

xenocide.
01.14.12
Yeah, I know, but I'm surprised anyway.

Aids
01.14.12
"list is shit, lol butts"

I just peed my pants a little bit

Tyrael
01.14.12
'The year end user lists are way different.'

According to Irving the users list doesn't have a lot of metal either

AsoTamaki
01.14.12
This list is missing more than just metal, you know. It will still be better.

greg84
01.14.12
Metal or heavy rock doesn't fare well on this site as a whole tbh. So yeah, the list is hardly surprising.

Irving
01.14.12
The user's list is also missing Lulu, AsoTamaki (despite my best efforts).

AsoTamaki
01.14.12
Vektor rules, yeah. And I don't know about best efforts, Irving. If you'd actually written that positive review, the tables may have been turned.

Irving
01.14.12
Ahahahaha touche! Obviously the dust has all but settled since then, but to be completely honest with you I doubt if much will have changed even if I had written a spectacular defence of Lulu. It's just too easy to hate, I feel.

fish.
01.14.12
I really like the way these lists are presented

SowingSeason
01.14.12
"There are 1000000 other lists that look exactly like it. This site is going downhill."

If a team wins its league's championship three straight years, do you think the commissioner will appear, strip them of their metals, and give them to someone "more unexpected", such as a club with a losing record? There's a reason these albums are on a lot of lists - because they are good. Would this really have been better if the staff got together after voting and said, "Well guys, Bon Iver doesn't really FEEL like a #1 album, so let's just slide the most unique album from the top 10 into its spot so our list is different"? Not everything is a fucking M. Night Shyamalan film. If you want more diversity or more sudden twists, then keep your fingers crossed that the user list will provide that, although if will probably just be Laura Stevenson, The Dear Hunter, Thrice, Fair to Midland, etc. because that goes by a voting system too.

fish.
01.14.12
oh snap

Tyrael
01.14.12
he mad

afergusonart
01.14.12
pretty sweet top 10. love bon iver.

Destructerator
01.14.12
[quote]strip them of their metals[/quote]

\m/

Irving
01.14.12
^ LOL

wallsofwater
01.14.12
Havent heard Destroyer or Frank Turner, but Swarms is the only thing that deserves such a high spot. When did sputnik become so indie heavy...

someguest
01.14.12
Let's all be frank (I'm looking at you, Frank) and state how lazy the staff has become. I remember the days when they wouldn't even listen to something with more than five hundred fans. And now they're throwing stuff like Florence + the Machine on here. I'm surprised they didn't put the currently out of commission fat girl Adele in the top 10. Frank Turner is cool and all, but ask Iai (he grew up on the same street) about his legitimacy. The dude's a fraud. He gets his inspiration from "accept my gay uncle" Rise Against.

At least you guys have another shot at it next year.

theacademy
01.14.12
this^

also I like adtr sometimes

xenocide.
01.14.12
The Staff That Failed

robin
01.14.12
why do the albums really anger you, really. the best we can do is say what we liked and write a shittonne about it. you make me british and sad :(

someguest
01.14.12
lol

fish.
01.14.12
apart from the lack of metal, james blake being so high and thursday not getting #1, I don't see any massive problems

Electric City
01.14.12
wait how is this lazy? like really? of all the complaints?

thebhoy
01.14.12
I'm really glad this list doesn't have what you guys wanted. Some of you are fucking morons.

thebhoy
01.14.12
You're right, we should've put more metal, that way we wouldn't be like every other indie website list, we'd be like every metal website list. I'm sorry not all of us have time to hear every shitty, obscure band in the world to make THE ULTIMATE OBSCURE LIST. And look I don't like some, actually quite a few, albums on this list--but I was also half-kidding when I said Tom Waits should be higher. How many comments have actually been about what's written? I mean, seriously, why did we even bother writing soundoffs? This is indicative and symptomatic of why this site is "really going downhill" even that's what some of you perceive. Nobody takes the time to think on here. Some of you just see the albums on the list and then run your mouth about the dumbest things. Really, REALLY. Think about what you're about to type--if you think, that is, if you have any brains to think, hey, maybe this sounds a bit dumb in the context of everything else said, then DON'T SAY IT. See, I can deal with people like Academy because I know there's a certain level of tongue-in-cheek and every once and a while he'll have a salient point to make. The rest of you can go fly a kite.

Knott-
01.14.12
This message endorsed by Adam Knott.

fish.
01.14.12
but Thursday aren't #1

fish.
01.14.12
(I kid)

I have actually read the sound offs for some of the entries

taxidermist
01.14.12
"I'm really glad this list doesn't have what you guys wanted. Some of you are fucking morons."

123.

TheVoiceAndTheSnake
01.14.12
Not surprised by 1, of course

SowingSeason
01.14.12
What thebhoy said. I'm tired of writing stuff nobody reads just to read pages upon pages of complaints and unsupported criticism. Holy Fucking Bitch.

clercqie
01.14.12
I don't know about that guys. Okay, I confess I haven't read all the sound-offs (yet), but I did read a good 25 or so of them. I just posted 'nice list' because posting comments on all of them would be kind of tiresome and with English not being my first language and all. But I did read them, and I did enjoy them very much, as I believe many other have. I'm also sure there's a lot of other people who read this stuff without necessarily posting or even being a member of the site , but that do appreciate the effort.

someguest
01.14.12
pretty funny you guys thought my post was legitimate

staff @ serious

klap
01.14.12
hey were deleting the userbase next month right

fish.
01.14.12
but then you won't be able to ban someguest

SowingSeason
01.14.12
the mods will get bored and just start banning the staff & each other

fish.
01.14.12
you mean like that mafia game

my money's on chan

someguest
01.14.12
"but then you won't be able to ban someguest"

yea

Satellite
01.14.12
i've never heard of this thebhboy staffer fellow prior to this list but he seems like quite the curmudgeon

Willie
01.14.12
I participate in these lists for the silent majority that just view it, maybe take in a few new albums and move on. The users that whine that the list doesn't reflect their tastes and the staff that care what the vocal minority think are just an amusing side note to be taken in. I love you all and really love banning Someguest ;)

Xenophanes
01.14.12
Ugh this thread

Tyrael
01.14.12
Willie you know I love you but I just love complaining more :]

Electric City
01.14.12
bhoy wins da thread

DinoX
01.14.12
a sociological discovery for the ages

fish.
01.14.12
you think this is bad, just wait for the user's list to come out

Satellite
01.14.12
which user?

fish.
01.14.12
oh come on, the one time I make a grammatical mistake and can't edit it

Eko
01.15.12
you guys should punish us by never releasing the users' list

J1996
01.15.12
Needs submotion orchestra so bad.

iambandersnatch
01.15.12
I totally appreciate the effort put into the list, really. And probably will check out whatever I haven't heard at some point. I just made that comment earlier cuz I was thinking "wow, there's no way it was THAT bad of a year in metal and THAT good in indie". Apologies if I ruffled too many feathers.

It's obviously tricky to get it right but keep tryin diff voting methods and maybe you'll strike a good balance w/ your EOTY list.

Maybe if you did something like have each staff member rank their top 20 metal, top 20 indie, top 20 electronica, top 20 other, and top 50 overall. Compare the highest averaging album of each list, then face them off based on which had the highest average on the top 50 overall. Whoever is highest based on that is #1, 2nd highest #2, etc. etc.
A tad more complicated and time-consuming but you would get a more balanced list from it. List would still have a slight indie tinge to it (which is good because it probably was a slightly better year in indie, let's be real) but at least you'd get a good metal album in at 3 or 4.

Or you could just be like "fuck it, it's just a list" depending on how much you care about the site :P But as you've seen w/ the QQing, ripples can turn into waves

Poet
01.15.12
Nice to see Kyle was well represented in this entire list.

Deviant.
01.15.12
"Maybe if you did something like have each staff member rank their top 20 metal, top 20 indie, top 20 electronica, top 20 other, and top 50 overall. Compare the highest averaging album of each list, then face them off based on which had the highest average on the top 50 overall. Whoever is highest based on that is #1, 2nd highest #2, etc. etc.
A tad more complicated and time-consuming but you would get a more balanced list from it. List would still have a slight indie tinge to it (which is good because it probably was a slightly better year in indie, let's be real) but at least you'd get a good metal album in at 3 or 4."

No you're an idiot

What would be the point of having each staff member rank their top 20 [insert genre here] if they don't listen to that genre? How about, each staff member list their top 25 albums of the year, then we'll compile those votes based on a points system, and then we'll post the resulting top 50.

Oh wait, that's what we did

Deviant.
01.15.12
If you're so pissed off that your generic metal album didn't get enough attention from us (a small contingent in terms of percentage of this site) then go to a site that did support your generic metal album

Gyromania
01.15.12
Worst thread ever. List is really awesome and I loved reading (most) of the descriptions.

Deviant.
01.15.12
Yes, but you're a terrible person

Electric City
01.15.12
sounds like he's got a pretty good grasp, sam

Aphrodisiac
01.15.12
Sowing, I could point out all of the things that make your response stupid but I'm on my phone so I'll just let you know that you completely missed the point. I guess it makes sense that a big site would only pay attention to huge hyped releases, but it would still be nice to see all of the albums better than these that the staffers never bothered listening to.

Deviant.
01.15.12
Who says we didn't listen to them?

theacademy
01.15.12
ll be honest I'm reading very few commens but I'm also enjoying this list quite a bit!

aok
01.15.12
yea what the hell staff. #8 was on like every single top 10 list on every single other website

Electric City
01.15.12
there are 5 albums in the top 10 i dont remember seeing on any other list

Deviant.
01.15.12
And seeing as how virtually no other publication (minus one or two) has even heard of 8, well.....

someguest
01.15.12
"there are 5 albums in the top 10 i dont remember seeing on any other list"

there's the attitude I was looking for!

theacademy
01.15.12
today i was driving (im upstate) and this stray dog was wandering in the street and i made sure it didnt get hit by a car by sacrificing a bunch of groceries tp lure it back to it's owners run down meth den of a house. it was the most metal thing i have ever done.

the people who listen to the shit on this list? they would have run over the dog, and then fucked its dead body. im quitting sputnik FOR EVA

Jom
01.15.12
I got confused when someguest was talking about how we were supposed to talk to Iai about Frank Turner's illegitimacy as a musician... when Iai had 'England Keep My Bones' as his #1 album.

Then I got to the part where he said he was kidding and all was right in the world again.

AsoTamaki
01.15.12
Wow, deleting comments now? I guess we're in full censorship mode here. Pathetic.

Electric City
01.15.12
FUCKING PATHETIC JOM

AsoTamaki
01.15.12
No exclamation point?

Adabelle
01.15.12
Hey I'm happy with it, user list gonna be better though, y'all know it.

Knott-
01.15.12
"I guess it makes sense that a big site would only pay attention to huge hyped releases, but it would still be nice to see all of the albums better than these that the staffers never bothered listening to."

Idk why I'm doing this but did it ever occur to you that the reason albums are hyped is because a lot of people here like them? Like, I don't actually know that a lot of other websites created a massive buzz around EKMB, or Simple Math, or Swarms. Do people really expect the staff to love what they love during the year and then, come the 20th of December, just start liking totally random new shit just to make the list full of fucking surprises?

fish.
01.15.12
These lists work as good summaries for the year, so Knott's right really.


Deviant.
01.15.12
"Idk why I'm doing this but did it ever occur to you that the reason albums are hyped is because a lot of people here like them? Like, I don't actually know that a lot of other websites created a massive buzz around EKMB, or Simple Math, or Swarms. Do people really expect the staff to love what they love during the year and then, come the 20th of December, just start liking totally random new shit just to make the list full of fucking surprises?"

I love you knott. I love how the crux of the kid's statement seems to be "but we already knew you liked these albums"

robin
01.15.12
http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/12/14/143699630/the-20-unhappiest-people-you-meet-in-the-comments-sections-of-year-end-lists

Idnuf
01.15.12
"You're right, we should've put more metal, that way we wouldn't be like every other indie website list, we'd be like every metal website list. I'm sorry not all of us have time to hear every shitty, obscure band in the world to make THE ULTIMATE OBSCURE LIST. And look I don't like some, actually quite a few, albums on this list--but I was also half-kidding when I said Tom Waits should be higher. How many comments have actually been about what's written? I mean, seriously, why did we even bother writing soundoffs? This is indicative and symptomatic of why this site is "really going downhill" even that's what some of you perceive. Nobody takes the time to think on here. Some of you just see the albums on the list and then run your mouth about the dumbest things. Really, REALLY. Think about what you're about to type--if you think, that is, if you have any brains to think, hey, maybe this sounds a bit dumb in the context of everything else said, then DON'T SAY IT. See, I can deal with people like Academy because I know there's a certain level of tongue-in-cheek and every once and a while he'll have a salient point to make. The rest of you can go fly a kite."

It's incredible what an arbitrary position of power on a music review website will do to someone's ego.

robin
01.15.12
the staff are out of touch like broken britain over again

SowingSeason
01.15.12
the power has just gone straight to our heads guys

Idnuf
01.15.12
evidently

aok
01.15.12
jus realized bnjmn is on here. sweet

carouse
01.15.12
Great compilation of reviews! The sort of music here isn't quite my forte, but the writeups for numbers 9 and 4, especially, are wonderful.

Wizard
01.15.12
Well who didn't see Bon Iver coming?

Ending
01.15.12
I went through this entire list thinking, "They aren't going to make Bon Iver #1, are they?"

Got to #2, still no Bon Iver.

Yep. Oh well, I guess you justified most of the positions on this list pretty well, and for those saying, "Where's x?" or "Why isn't x on here?", it's a top fifty list. They can only fit fifty albums. If you disagree so strongly, make your own list I guess.

Haz
01.15.12
Bon Iver was mediocre.

FromDaHood
01.15.12
Yeah, that's not true

Haz
01.15.12
My word is dogma.

FromDaHood
01.15.12
Yeah, all those changes to the site you made happen are really cool.

xenocide.
01.15.12
Actually I've listened to some of these Top50 albums I haven't listened before (Blake, Florence, The Weeknd, The Dear Hunter, Laura). They're all quality material (except maybe The Weeknd), but they don't deserve such high spots imo. Anyway, I'm gonna check out more.

greg84
01.15.12
Ceremonials definitely deserves all the praise it's getting.I'm not so sure about the other albums on here though. I didn't dig 10 at all, for example. The lyrics on this album are awful.

greg84
01.15.12
...and it's pretty much by-the-numbers hardcore. Nothing special.

sifFlammable
01.15.12
i dont see what the fuss is about this is a fine list

although screw yous listen to some earth urth urf

thebhoy
01.15.12
"It's incredible what an arbitrary position of power on a music review website will do to someone's ego."

Well, considering the staff members collectively selected myself and a few others based on past work and an application process, that doesn't really make it arbitrary. But then again, it's not a position of power. My beef is not a pretentious one; it was specifically directed at a few users who, over the years and not just this list, have overall proven themselves not of the greatest intelligence. It's pathetic the sort of dismissing attitude some people have towards the work in this list. People like xenocide are actually worthwhile because they take the time to check out our favourite albums, even if they don't like them at the same level as we have them on our list, because, hey, opinions are opinions. There's a (relatively) large contingent of people on this site who prove time and again to be complete assholes and so I decided, for once, to be a complete asshole towards them. Don't really consider that in need of an ego check.


Electric City
01.15.12
continuing to win the thread

Tyrael
01.15.12
this thread is a great read

keep it up fellas

Satellite
01.15.12
i don't think anyone's discounting the work that went into making this list. getting all defensive about the users' reaction to the list is pretty douchey, especially since--let's face it--they're the only people on the internet with any inclination to actually read it.

BroFro
01.15.12
This list is a little bit disappointing guys. It's almost all the obvious picks with wack rankings. Where's the surprises?

And for real, we need some more pop-punk centric staff members on this site. The Dangerous Summer, The Wonder Years, Transit, The Swellers, all deserve to be on here somewhere, as well as some other pop-punk albums that at least deserve consideration.

tarkus
01.15.12
then learn to write like a pro and get staff so you can promote pop punk

robertsona
01.15.12
i wrote some of the user list writeups so wait for that itll be good

BroFro
01.15.12
and needs more hip-hop

ZulaV
01.15.12
Nice to see Touché on there. I was at the LA show too! It was fantastic, and the album is also my favorite of this year.

klap
01.15.12
don't worry guys our new year's resolution was to listen to more music

Tyrael
01.15.12
^ haha :]

iambandersnatch
01.15.12
"If you're so pissed off that your generic metal album didn't get enough attention from us (a small contingent in terms of percentage of this site) then go to a site that did support your generic metal album"

I was just tryin to help you guys out w/ my suggestion; I think this site is already good and has the potential to be great. No need to get pressed by claiming that I wanted a "generic" metal album on there. You shouldn't get a free pass to be a douche just cuz you're staff. Altho it's the internet so what should I really expect, lol

Cells
01.15.12
uhg needed more deah metal but im glad fleet foxes is here

AsoTamaki
01.15.12
"don't worry guys our new year's resolution was to listen to more music"

Lol. All that would mean is that even the (thankfully) less hyped indie artists like EMA and Caveman would make an appearance next time.

klap
01.15.12
no strictly drone and japanese bathroom noises tamaki. we're doing it for the fans

AsoTamaki
01.15.12
Hahaha. Of course. And that's not too far off from what the only metal album on this list sounds like.

thebhoy
01.15.12
"uhg needed more deah metal but im glad fleet foxes is here."

This comment just seems so odd lol, but in a good way.




Knott-
01.16.12
"The Dangerous Summer"

didn't make enough lists

i notice nobody's complaining about the relative lack of hip-hop on the list

maybe that's because you don't like hip-hop so much

what does this teach us

theacademy
01.16.12
"i don't think anyone's discounting the work that went into making this list. getting all defensive about the users' reaction to the list is pretty douchey, especially since--let's face it--they're the only people on the internet with any inclination to actually read it."

well, sat, it's mostly the newbs like sowing, dev, and strikey who are responding, which is just ADORABLE *gushhhh*

SowingSeason
01.16.12
awww : )

theacademy
01.16.12
:D a rose for you: ~~~~~~~3~~C@

Satellite
01.16.12
they grow up so fast :'(

someguest
01.16.12
"maybe that's because you don't like hip-hop so much

what does this teach us"

we're not black?

Willie
01.16.12
Hey, Tech N9ne crosses all ethnic boundaries.... "Threw her in the trunk" can appeal to everyone!

someguest
01.16.12
all jokes aside this was a shit year for hip-hop. and I'm moderately into the genre.

Electric City
01.16.12
i did my arguing with the users in the 08, 09, 2010 lists. let the noobs take y'all on

qwe3
01.16.12
"harsh but spare"

hahahaha

Athom
01.16.12
i fucking hate tech n9ne

mvood
01.16.12
"all jokes aside this was a shit year for hip-hop. and I'm moderately into the genre."

what? you must have been listening to the wrong things

Tyrael
01.16.12
'i notice nobody's complaining about the relative lack of hip-hop on the list

maybe that's because you don't like hip-hop so much'

There were like 2 hip-hop albums released this year that were above average so there's not a lot to complain about...

AsoTamaki
01.16.12
The Roots, Raekwon, Cunninlynguists, Kendrick Lamar, Pharoahe Monch, ASAP Rocky, Jay Z/Kanye, Big K.R.I.T., Phonte ...Tyler, Childish Gambino, Death Grips (lol) ...which were the two?

Deviant.
01.16.12
It certainly wasn't Goblin

AsoTamaki
01.16.12
Haha, surely not. I don't endorse anything after the ellipsis, but he seems to have unique taste so I thought I'd include them.

Deviant.
01.16.12
Roots, Raekwon, CunninLynguists, Kendrick and K.R.I.T. all scored big with me

On a sidenote: maybe everyone here who feels somewhat cheated by this list should go and take another look at the individual staff lists for some diversity

Tyrael
01.16.12
I only liked Raekwon and K.R.I.T. unfortunately... and Mac Lethal's NKBBQ but that was an EP :[

Idnuf
01.16.12
"Well, considering the staff members collectively selected myself and a few others based on past work and an application process, that doesn't really make it arbitrary. But then again, it's not a position of power. My beef is not a pretentious one; it was specifically directed at a few users who, over the years and not just this list, have overall proven themselves not of the greatest intelligence. It's pathetic the sort of dismissing attitude some people have towards the work in this list. People like xenocide are actually worthwhile because they take the time to check out our favourite albums, even if they don't like them at the same level as we have them on our list, because, hey, opinions are opinions. There's a (relatively) large contingent of people on this site who prove time and again to be complete assholes and so I decided, for once, to be a complete asshole towards them. Don't really consider that in need of an ego check."

Yes I suppose arbitrary wasn't the right word. You still seemed to understand what I meant though, thankfully. I appreciate you responding to me, really. My comment was just a gut reaction to yours, which I found bewilderingly embittered considering that anyone could have seen this coming. It sucks to have someone prioritize somewhat arbitrary (eh, did it work there?) rankings over the actual writing you put effort into, but I'm not sure what you were expecting. The same thing can be found on any list like this on the internet. Of course I understand that this is simply the amalgamation of individual staff lists, but I think it's a somewhat valid point to say that a list put out by a music site should exhibit some diversity. It's not about obscurity, it's about having a rounded view of the year in music. If someone read this 10 years from now, is this a good summary of what happened in 2011? Again, I understand the origin of the list, and how that affects the albums that placed, but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to expect a little less focus on indie or whatever. You won't hear me complaining. I said nothing about the list because, to be frank, I couldn't possibly give a fuck what the staff on this site thinks. To dismiss the entire user base of the site because of the hang ups you have with certain members of it seems a bit extreme (especially in such an obnoxious, condescending tone). That's why I made my comment, thanks for reading this if you did thebhoy.

fish.
01.16.12
tldr

Idnuf
01.16.12
just shut the fuck up, like honestly idiots like you are the reason the guy I was responding to has such a low opinion of the users on this site. it's such a useless comment, like maybe you think this is "expert trolling lolololol", but it just makes you look like an ignorant piece of shit (which by all accounts you are). your taste is atrocious, you're an idiot, please leave, you won't be missed

fish.
01.16.12
lol but I just /had/ to say it

Deviant.
01.16.12
With maturity comes restraint

fish.
01.16.12
Yeah I'm getting there

TheFonz123
01.16.12
hmm i kinda disapointed :( in all honesty i thought the write ups were well written and I enjoyed reading them, but in terms of album choices im not so keen. laura stevenson was my #1. I would like to see deafheaven, corrupted, ash borer, fell voices, submotion orchestra, matana roberts etc. i really apreciate you guys fullfiling your duties as upperclassmen on sputnik and writing intelligent and well thought out description, but I respectifully am not a fan.


A.K.A dont hurt me i dont like it

plane
01.16.12
"If someone read this 10 years from now, is this a good summary of what happened in 2011?" "Again, I understand the origin of the list, and how that affects the albums that placed, but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to expect a little less focus on indie or whatever."

I read your full comment, so I'm more going to generally reply to these comments than specifically to you. But as far as the first question: hell no. But that applies to every other publication as well.
"Top 50" albums is such a misnomer that the subtitle ("..for Sputnik Staff Members for the Albums They Heard") doesn't seem necessary. For this certain time and place, these are the albums we listened to and connected with. We strive to do so, and I say we fucking did. 2011 was huge, and while I don't personally agree with the placement of the albums on this list, I do agree with each of them being there, which says a lot of the quality of albums, and the respect I have for the people who write for them.

As far as covering exclusively "indie" goes.. What a perverse term. We are in this place, now into 2012, where "indie" is this catchall phrase for albums that lean toward a certain mode of expression that the actual aesthetics, and genre placement, have little bearing on people's reactions to them. Bon Iver sounds nothing like James Blake, nor m83, and yet we all accept that they are Touchstones for 2011 where everyone grabbed hands and said, "These are great!" And while everyone here at Sputnik likes to think we live on the fringe and have access to music no one else will touch (this is so true too, just check out the rest of the top 50), we live in a time where music and access to it is so easy that we need these touchstones to link all our disparate tastes. And the albums are freakin' great. "Indie"?

thebhoy
01.16.12
I did read your full comment Idnuf, and I appreciate it. It's that sort of criticism that I wish was more prevalent on the site. You see, I didn't use to be so curmudgeonly, but over the years I've noticed a significant drop in the average level of the user to the point where I actually see the majority as bringing really not worth my time. The people who I respect (well, at least in terms of the internet) know it, and I think you might be lumped into this group (not that my opinion is really worth anything). Perhaps, then, it is time for me to move on, though I'm not so sure. I enjoy writing the things I do for this website and I enjoy the premise of the website, but the effort and joy is ruined by far too many people. I expect there to be the usual trolls on the internet, but it has come to the point where the trolls have far outweighed the users who want to use a forum-based website for its real purpose: discussion. Obviously not everything on a mid-level music website has to be SUPER SERIOUS, but there's also a difference between having a laugh and being a dick. Far too great a number fall into the latter.

fish.
01.16.12
Still find it surprising that of all the 'wave' albums, Touché came out ahead all of them

fish.
01.16.12
oh I should've known sputnik wouldn't like that

diatonix
01.16.12
ok. WHERE.... IS... THE... METAL??!?!?!?!?!?!?! ok. WHERE.... IS... THE... METAL??!?!?!?!?!?!?!ok. WHERE.... IS... THE... METAL??!?!?!?!?!?!?!ok. WHERE.... IS... THE... METAL??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

diatonix
01.16.12
sorry, should have guessed that everyone before me said the same thing. consider me not raging anymore

theacademy
01.16.12
golf wang trip666

aok
01.16.12
'Bon Iver sounds nothing like James Blake, nor m83, and yet we all accept that they are Touchstones for 2011' -- that

theacademy
01.16.12
boner fur

Idnuf
01.16.12
I just wrote the most profound shit ever for literally half an hour and my comment was too long so it's gone D; I'll make it quick now (comparatively) because I can't be arsed to write all that shit again

@planewreck
I put "or whatever" after indie in my post because I anticipated that reaction to my sentence. I used it more to keep with the terminology of the thread than anything else. It is not even close to a substantive description of the sounds, it refers more to the people that enjoy it. Many people on the site share a disdain for the so-called "pitchfork crowd", and the indie tag is largely defined by what that site approves of. It's an issue of predictability or similarity to something you would see on that site that I think causes that indie criticism of this list even though the sounds are different. Things as disparate as ASAP Rocky and Liturgy would both be considered indie in this respect.

Idnuf
01.16.12
@thebhoy
Thanks a lot. I love when people actually work things out on this site. Last time I attempted this post, I wrote so, so much about your post but I'll try to outline this theory more concisely here. It concerns why there has been this degradation you see in the user base. There is a radical split between new and old users. The new ones seem to all be cut from the same deathcore cloth and get endlessly criticized by the old users. They become mean-spirited in reaction to this and so both sides are very negative. Here's my take on why the old users are so critical: everyone is "too good" for this site. How many times have you heard users declare that the site sucks now yet they stick around? I've seen the change in myself recently, and I think it's representative of everyone. I've found that I'm one of the relative few who knows about rap beyond the agreed classics on this site. So now instead of partaking in discussion, I just say "lol" or "you're an idiot" when I see the same terrible arguments put forth by people who don't know much about the genre. I can't even spare the effort to respond seriously to people who say that Immortal Technique is a fantastic rapper or how good rap died 10 years ago. When I first joined, I learned from the site by adopting the "Sputnik albums", the site helped me immensely. Now I look at the collective taste and laugh. Everyone on this site is at this stage now. No one is learning or improving their taste, again, everyone is too good for the site. I get my music mostly from independent blogs now because Sputnik taste is immature and predictable. Everyone has this sense of superiority and so is aggressively negative towards everyone else.

It sounded so much better the first time I said it. Whatever, I'm done, I actually have work to do and now I've wasted so much time with this shit. Again thanks for the read, I know it isn't especially compelling or concise.

aok
01.16.12
'boner fur' . seriously jose? got time for some drinks before the semester starts up again btw?

aok
01.16.12
'I just say "lol" or "you're an idiot" ' . like you did when i called kendrick lamar good and you were the only person on the site that disagreed with me just because you've heard more rap than me in your life? maybe you need to air out some grievances dude, but surely there is a better forum (your own organized list perhaps?) that will serve as a better forum for such discussions

Tyrael
01.16.12
Go Andy

fish.
01.16.12
omg so much tldr in this thread

fish.
01.16.12
shit fuck FUCK sorry I did it again I'm sorry

octothegreat
01.16.12
5 is horrible but everything else is coo

Zion
01.16.12
I agree with this list more than I have ever agreed with a staff list.

NigelH
01.16.12
"Bon Iver sounds nothing like James Blake, nor m83"

i dunno...beth/rest sounds kinda m83 ish....and bon iver did a song with james blake.

Idnuf
01.17.12
"'I just say "lol" or "you're an idiot" ' . like you did when i called kendrick lamar good and you were the only person on the site that disagreed with me just because you've heard more rap than me in your life? maybe you need to air out some grievances dude, but surely there is a better forum (your own organized list perhaps?) that will serve as a better forum for such discussions"

Well I just looked at that thread and not once did I say either "lol" or "you're an idiot" nor did I disagree that Kendrick Lamar is a good rapper so uhhh you're an idiot. It sounds like you're the one harboring more bitterness. The argument in the thread still stands, saying "any fan of 90s rap is sure to enjoy this" is a ridiculous blanket statement and calling you out on that hardly seems extreme. That had literally nothing to do with how much rap I've heard, every single sentence of your post is bullshit. It's probably because you're somehow still mad at me for pointing out an error of yours. I'm glad you could "air out some grievances dude", though.

qwe3
01.17.12
"here were like 2 hip-hop albums released this year that were above average so there's not a lot to complain about..."

2 curren$y albums, big krit, phonte, tech n9ne, kendrick lamar, random axe, l.w.h., danny brown, asap rocky, g-side, reks, shabazz palaces, spaceghostpurpp

so thats 14 so far and there are others that are pretty solid too

qwe3
01.17.12
"Idk why I'm doing this but did it ever occur to you that the reason albums are hyped is because a lot of people here like them? Like, I don't actually know that a lot of other websites created a massive buzz around EKMB, or Simple Math, or Swarms. Do people really expect the staff to love what they love during the year and then, come the 20th of December, just start liking totally random new shit just to make the list full of fucking surprises?"

haha this was the best knott you champion

theacademy
01.17.12
golf wang trip sizzzzix

Xenophanes
01.17.12
Whoa man what about that random metal album that was released a month ago omg staff you fucked up big time.

theacademy
01.17.12
yo masstaden was a fucking religious experience don't knock it till u hear it dawg it's not just some random

Xenophanes
01.17.12
But you knew which one I was talking about

theacademy
01.17.12
well duh man i run this place

aok
01.17.12
'uhhh you're an idiot' lol

Tyrael
01.17.12
'Whoa man what about that random metal album that was released a month ago omg staff you fucked up big time.'

you mean Antedeluvian - Through The Cervix of Hawwah right?

ABlandLife
01.17.12
hey i'm gonna let you finish but um... where is gold cobra ya'll?

transatlanticfoe
01.18.12
no GANGS anywhere in the top 50?

fuck this list

Deviant.
01.18.12
"hey i'm gonna let you finish but um... where is gold cobra ya'll?"

Wow a Kanye reference. A little two thousand and late don't you think champ?

aok
01.18.12
boom boom pow

FromDaHood
01.18.12
Roasted

Yuma310
01.19.12
where is the user list

Deviant.
01.20.12
Sitting on my computer

theartofdoom
01.21.12
One metal album in the whole list. I'm not saying the list should be brimming with it, but even Pitchfork recognizes the genre's worth now, and for a site that once jizzed its collective pants over Traced in Air and Watershed's release, this is rather disappointing.

qwe3
01.21.12
but traced in air and watershed were both mediocre so not jizzing over albums like that is pretty good wouldnt you say doomart?

Slum
01.21.12
ctrl-f "metal". 53 results

Irving
01.21.12
List is shit lol butts!!

BigSimo
01.23.12
appropriate no.1 but bad as me should be in top 5, and kapputt 30 positions back.

thebhoy
01.23.12
"Great choice, next time why don't you guys like music you like and not everyone else tells you to js."

well, this comment was actually refreshing.


Electric City
01.23.12
nobody told me to like touche amore :(

wabbit
01.23.12
you aren't angsty enough


I love the parts of this thread where it gets all meta.

Hep Kat
01.23.12
touche amore does suck though. they arent even good live

Deviant.
01.23.12
"I love the parts of this thread where it gets all meta. "

Oh ffs

sifFlammable
01.23.12
lets cry about how unfair the list is for not having enough metal even though i only listen to metal and have no basis of comparison

wacknizzle
01.23.12
didn't really love many albums this yeah except for simple math. i should love new thrice but i haven't really got into it same with bon iver. Oh I really like fleet foxes too.

wacknizzle
01.23.12
ahhh typos. year*

qwe3
01.24.12
"I love the parts of this thread where it gets all meta. "

dude do you ever read what you write before you click the submit button

wabbit
01.24.12
it was a proper use of the word so I dunno what you guys are talking about...maybe it means something else in new zealand?

Deviant.
01.24.12
No it's not that, you just embody the fucking retard trying too hard stereotype far too easily. I mean seriously, did you like the part where it got meta? Did they just discuss that word in school for the first time, or did you just see Scream 4?

BigSimo
01.24.12
what the fuck is a meta

DaveyBoy
01.24.12
Sorry to interrupt whatever the hell is happening, but I just realized how cool the Bon Iver artwork looks... The Trey Remix of course.

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