Jeepers creepers this is ass

wah ah ah ah

hey remember when this loser signed a bomb that went to palestinian children?

Disturbed 'Will Not Stop Being Shit'

I WILL NOT BOW
I WILL NOT BREAK
I WILL SHUT THE WORLD AWAY

@veninblazer Damn I did not know about these signing bomb shenanigans, if I ever had any respect for this piece of shit it's completely gone now.

yeah he traveled to visit the IDF and made a big deal of it, posting it for the world to see like it was some sort of thing to be proud of.

Draiman is a fuckwit but his tinder profile is (albeit unintentionally) hilarious

They will not break from their campaign of bombing kids.

Wow that production is atrocious

Lol had the same thought, Koris

you know, some of the stuff i loved in middle school has aged surprisingly well. there are the obviously good ones like (early) Linkin Park, System of a Down, and Deftones, but even the butt rock-ier stuff still hits for me. like yeah Breaking Benjamin are extremely corny but nearly 20 years later and i am still getting down to So Cold. i still fuck with bits and pieces of 10 Years, Chevelle, Taproot, TRUSTcompany, P.O.D. etc etc... none of it's musically STELLAR, but a good song is a good song and those bands put out some good songs.

Disturbed are very fucking much NOT on that list. i get more enjoyment out of fucking SKILLET than i do from listening to David "bomb more children" Draiman melodramatically gargle into a microphone about overcoming the darkness

just saw the pictures in the wall of fuck all and i read his posts... wow! had no idea

I WILL NOT BOW
I WILL NOT BREAK
I WILL SHUT THE WORLD AWAY

{2}

"I Will Shut The World Away", newest single now out from Trapt

So basically it's Indestructible for the fourth time

NUMANUH NUMANUNUH MANAMANA NA MA MA

Lol damn yall brutal but it's not surprising. I was honestly expecting worse. The riffs are alright to me but the main chorus is obviously like every other song they did. yama nama yama nama uhh wa wa wa wa.

This is so goofy. It's like an AI version of Disturbed and an actual Disturbed song smashed together. The vocal phrasing is awkward and so far away from what this wants to be. The dichotomy of animation and lyrics is hilarious: "I even contemplated suicide" *top down view on a cartoon cape guy waddling though a city*

Song is Disturbed

damn an ignimbrite post in 2025. that’s crazy how ya doin brother?

1/10 needs more YUHMUHNUHs

David Draiman signs bomb and writes "fuck hamas" yep I'm on board with that. hopefully Isriel obliterates that terrorist organization.

Fuck Israel and their genocidal bullshit. Read about the Nabka or how the idea of Israel was proposed by British antisemites. It wasn’t popularly supported until WWII in fact most Jews were anti Zionists. Also… being anti-zionist DOES NOT equate to Antisemitism. You can absolutely criticize and complain about what Israel is doing to Palestinians. Hamas scratches compared to Israeli bombs that leveled Gaza to the ground.

Fuck Drainman and fuck anyone who listens to this garbage. You should go fuck your sister.

Welp I don't have a sister so jokes on you lol you can cry about it all you want buddy but my opinion remains the same.

Time to go back more than 75 years in history, when Israel didn't exist and there was only Palestine. There is no Israel, there is just Palestine. As Manatee alluded to, the British and Americans forcibly created "Israel".
Regardless, Israel has one of the greatest militaries in the world and flexes that strength by murdering women and children endlessly, at rates historically 10 times or more than the "other side". This is objectively unjustifiable.

Americans align with Israel sheerly because they are too stupid to understand that the Israelis and the Israelites have absolutely nothing in common.

Per Haaretz: « At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benyamin Netanyahu said:
"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." ^Maybe this will change your opinion?

Genocidal support aside, this band always sucked

“ my opinion remains the same”

Your lack of education and blatant willful ignorance is showing

Also Dave’s been a massive bootlicker as long as he’s been performing, none of this should be a surprise to anyone who was able to make it past his defense mechanism, which is the shit music he makes

Song is okay

Signing bombs for israel is not okay

sort of unrelated but I cannot stand the damn Sound of Silence cover these guys did

Genocidal support aside, this band always sucked [2]

I don't have a sister so jokes on you lol you can cry about it all you want buddy but my opinion remains the same.

Every thread I see you in, you’re mouthing off about some bullshit. Time to go outside little guy.

I mean I don't really care about the Israel thing, I just think it's wild David wants to collab with Kendrick Lamar.

It's super paint-by-numbers even for Disturbed. It's essentially a worse remake of Indestructible.

Hey Spec, sorry I'm upsetting you again seems like a pretty easy thing to do. These are just my opinions but of course it's gonna get on everyone's nerves. Being such a left leaning site, that's ok lol

"sort of unrelated but I cannot stand the damn Sound of Silence cover these guys did"

every dude with a punisher logo facebook avatar thinks thats the hardest song ever recorded. it's so ass

the idf murdered 74 children in gaza in the first week of 2025

Following the murder of 1,200 Israel civilians, unprovoked. That's what people don't understand. If Hamas laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israeli people layed down their weapons, the country would cease to exist.

yeah 1200 israelis vs 60000 palestinians since 10/7

your dumb cracker ass probably thinks nakba is some kind of german cookie

"unprovoked"

brother lets just ignore the last 20 years of regional turmoil and israel slowly taking over land and territory that was historically palestinian

"unprovoked"

brother lets just ignore the last 30 years of regional turmoil and Ukraine slowly taking over land and territory that was historically Russian

Uh what does Ukraine and Russia have to do with this?

I sure hope gordodustin doesnt look up the multiple instances of IDF members using Palestinian civilians as human shields, intentionally sniping children and shooting at journalists or their use of the Hannibal directive.

Huh, I did not know that Draiman is a Zionist. Now I have an even bigger reason to despise this band.

If you come out hardcore pro-Israel or hardcore pro-Palestinian, 90% likelihood you’re hardcore ignorant or otherwise biased. It’s not a simple dispute, not something that will be morally settled by a quick game of name that atrocity, and if anyone feels strongly about the whole situation, you should learn enough to know that “but Nakba!” or “but October 7!” makes you look foolishly unaware.

This thread has gotten more interesting than the song itself.

^ Such is the case with most Disturbed threads

I'm hardcore pro-Palestine because I'm not a genocide enthusiast, call me ignorant if you like. It obviously isn't a simple dispute and there's a lot more to it, but I won't support a genocidal state, regardless of Palestine's wrongs.

That Breaking Benjamin type song title though

I wonder who the genocide enthusiast users are. It’s really hard to tell.

these guys used to be my top 3 bands to listen to while playing halo 3

"I wonder who the genocide enthusiast users are. It’s really hard to tell."

Been around these parts for 12 years, so I probably have a couple of names in mind.

"That Breaking Benjamin type song title though"

At least the new Breaking Benjamin single is better than this.

when i want a little bit of inspuhrayshun

i take a puff from the leaves of the devil

FIRE IT UP

I LIKE TO FIRE IT UP CAUSE IT FEELS SO RIGHT

the above comment is me jamming this band while playing halo 3 with the bros

"If you come out hardcore pro-Israel or hardcore pro-Palestinian, 90% likelihood you’re hardcore ignorant or otherwise biased."

The fence is not meant for sitting I fear. It's beneath you to pull this as 60,000 plus Palestinians have been murdered.

Disturbed is as Disturbed does, what more can you say?

With bands like these, I suppose the majority of their fanbase are such superfans that cookie-cutter songwriting isn't a big deal to them. In fact, I'm sure this new single is like comfort food for Disturbed fans since it does exactly the same thing every Disturbed song has done since 10k Fists.

Israel pushed for a two state solution for decades, rejected by Hamas. Only one side wants peace. The other wants all Jews wiped off the planet.

God the intro shit Draiman does is straight out of Intoxication minus the "Tell me you like it" line.

Going back to it just now and holy shit does Believe's production sound bad.

"Israel pushed for a two state solution for decades, rejected by Hamas. Only one side wants peace. The other wants all Jews wiped off the planet."

It rules that we can just point to 60,000+ dead and instantly this tired propaganda line bears no weight with anyone.

Yeah but all those 60,000 dead Palestinians (including infants and children) were bloodthirsty Hamas supporters so whatever the IDF did was a preventative measure to not have similar mass murder happen to them. But Israel wanted peace, for sure.

You're just baiting

band is deleting comments on youtube because they are gigantic cowards

> It rules that we can just point to 60,000+ dead and instantly this tired propaganda line bears no weight with anyone

This thread certainly isn’t the best place to be having this conversation, but this kind of thing is what I’m talking about man, every argument I see about the conflict follows the pattern of pointing to one horrible event or another, countered with another tragedy perpetrated by the other side, and on it goes. I’m not making an equivalence, or suggesting fence-sitting is the answer, I’m saying that trying to figure out who the “bad guys” are by trying to see who did the ugliest violence is pretty useless and simplistic. The Iraq war makes 60k civilians seem negligible, is it reasonable to say that anyone who supports the continued existence of the U.S. as a country is a genocide supporter? It gets nobody nowhere.

The reality is that, whatever you think of the governing bodies on either side (both are atrocious, really), there are real people with a lot at stake who care about the war, and y’know, maybe deep down inside David Draiman just hates Palestinian women and children and wants as many dead as possible, or maybe he’s a Jewish man with family in Israel who doesn’t want to see the country dissolved.

It's hard to figure out what rhetoric is going to work if it isn't just gesturing at the hard fact that Israel has waged a war of mass terror on two million people they already had every advantage over and have killed likely well past that 60,000 number, including tens of thousands of children. It's not the "ugliest violence", it's the "MOST violence" and that's orders of magnitude against Palestinians. Nothing works! It always results in "well it's hella complicated..." from someone. You're welcome to dm me if you don't wanna keep going here.

« Israel wanted a two-states solution » is that why they supported Hamas’ growth for decades? Pretty sure Bibi the Demon openly states multiple times that he didn’t want a Palestinian state.

"hey remember when this loser signed a bomb that went to palestinian children?"

You have no idea what you are talking about . No one sent a bomb to children . Those bombs were used to kill Hamas terrorists . Hamas are the ones who uses children as shields and murdering innocent children . Check the facts and read some history before you comment such lies

« Israel wanted a two-states solution » is that why they supported Hamas’ growth for decades? Pretty sure Bibi the Demon openly states multiple times that he didn’t want a Palestinian state."

Ofc we don't want them to have a state because it won't matter. They want us to be killed . They want our country . Giving them a state ( Which we offered a multiple times and they rejected ) means only one thing -The end of the Jewish people here

"Israel pushed for a two state solution for decades, rejected by Hamas. Only one side wants peace. The other wants all Jews wiped off the planet."

Finally a comment that actually true

hit1488ler chiming in

this is a music website

They dropped bombs on fucking hospitals. Oh, excuse me, Hamas FOBs. Fucking nonsense.

Cop music

I'm better off pounding sand.

More like Dis-turd

got em

Megadeth supporting Disturbed the same way a big fart opens for a massive shit

when did sputnik get overrun by terrorist sympathizers? and if you think what Israel has done to Palestine falls under 'genocide' please copy and paste the definition of genocide for me and tell me how it's the same.

more importantly Disturbed has somehow become basically a 80s hair-metal band and i feel like that's a sign the end times are coming

The rationalizations people have to justify the death of innocent people is wild

"just watch the radical Islam taking over Europe" checks out

the menposting guy if he was a nazi

So glad this turned into another Israel/Palestine debate for like no fucking reason.

But now that we're on the topic, Disturbed isn't my favorite band, but David Draiman is pretty on point about his pro-Israel stance, so good for him.

And with that, looking forward to not reading the rest of this thread ever again lol

I swear every fucking song by these guys sounds exactly the same, like jesus christ.

Lmao why is there a literal zionist on this thread, or the site.

This new one is really egregious in that regard. It's so lazy.

Zionists eat shit and die alone

so someone who supports the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel, and the right of the Jewish people to live there in safety (the definition of a zionist) should eat shit and die alone. and this is not antisemitism? yikes, so many have lost the plot. and this is not in defense of exactly how their war against a neighboring terrorist threat was handled. it was done so poorly

This thread took a turn.

Just be anti war, kids

Agreed w vult

i fucking hate war but unfortunately the jihadists love it...

so you don’t actually hate war

Oh, so there are two Zionists here now. What's next, fellas? Are you gonna mention October 7 or something like that?

autographing bombs is dumb as shit. that is my contribution

It is tremendously stupid

i also hate going to work but it must be done. Oct 7 or something like that? well it justified, in the least, seeking out and destroying Hamas. again, though, I can't defend exactly how they went about it. should have been more tactical. it is undeniable that Hamas uses human shields, however. I know I won't convince you on here, but wanted to point out, like others did itt, that it is much more nuanced than 'rich lighter skinned middle easterners commit genocide against oppressed women and children'

signing a bomb is indeed stupid, agreed

I have been a fan of Disturbed since their debut album came out years ago, and have bought every studio album since. Now that I am in my mid-forties, my musical tastes have changed significantly. Some of my favorite bands are Pink Floyd, Tool, Riverside, Scar Symmetry, Metallica, Dark Tranquillity, Dream Theater, Opeth, The Birthday Massacre, Type O Negative, and Insomnium. Now that I've listened to the new Disturbed song, I truly cannot understand how the band can put out a song like this and not feel embarrassed. It is beyond generic and the lyrics are just cringe. Unbreakable, Indestructible, I Will Not Break, etc. Same lyrical theme used over and over again throughout the years. I think Draiman has a great voice, but I am finally writing off Disturbed for good after this shitty song. If I want to listen to Disturbed, I will just put something on from one of their first three albums.

Zionist zionist zionist, learn a different word ffs.

And if being anti-terrorist means I'm a 'zionist', yarmulke me up baby

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also holy shit this song is ass lmao

"Zionist zionist zionist, learn a different word ffs."

No thanks, zio

"i also hate going to work but it must be done. Oct 7 or something like that? well it justified, in the least, seeking out and destroying Hamas. again, though, I can't defend exactly how they went about it. should have been more tactical. it is undeniable that Hamas uses human shields, however. I know I won't convince you on here, but wanted to point out, like others did itt, that it is much more nuanced than 'rich lighter skinned middle easterners commit genocide against oppressed women and children"

There's nothing more tactical than genocide, and if by "seeking out and destroying Hamas" you mean killing tens of thousands of innocent children, then Israel was tremendously successful.

Zios read « Israel supported Hamas » and instead of going « no they never did » they go « well yeah, we dont want them to have a legitimate state » lmao absolutely unhinged

can you all just shut the fuck up maybe?

If Israel funded hamas to build tunnels and rockets vs aiding ppl in need than I will stand corrected and they should have known better

Ok I’ll stfu now

Just chiming in to say I kinda bobbed my head to this song. Didn’t realize you could repeat a guitar riff so many times

All the BS aside, this song song is certainly the same run of the mill Distrurbed but it just sounds tired at this point. Not good.

phone died so I happened to hear this bullshit on the radio and it made me think of this thread

“ If you come out hardcore pro-Israel or hardcore pro-Palestinian, 90% likelihood you’re hardcore ignorant or otherwise biased…”

man both sidesing a genocide is truly wild. Ya, 10/7 was awful and inexcusable… but Israel has done a thousand fucking October 7ths of their in the 23 months following it. Your ass must be so sore after two years of sitting on that fence. The IDF and the US Military calling Hamas terrorists would be hilarious if it weren’t so depressing. Pot meet fucking kettle.

oh anyways, this band blows bouquets of cock, but they’d be better without David. And that’s not even me being anti Israel he just fucking sucks. Any time the band has a decent groove going or busts out a cool riff he comes roaring in with his rah rah bullshit.

“ David Draiman signs bomb and writes "fuck hamas" yep I'm on board with that. hopefully Isriel obliterates that terrorist organization.”
jesus tap dancing christ
yeah it’s everyone else that’s wrong! not you! those settlers were basically forced to obliterate schools and hospitals with missiles, those women and children almost looked like they were gonna start reaching for pebbles!

Fuckin moron, just shut the fuck up forever

@Wildcard first off, a lot has happened since February, second if you read my follow-up comment I specifically said I’m not trying to make an equivalence or suggest fence-sitting, I was making an observation about the reductive and reactive way people approach this whole conflict with limited understanding. None of that really matters now given the current U.S. administration’s unhinged vision for Gaza and complete support for Israel no matter what, but anyway.

"A lot has happened since February"

You mean the sequence of events anyone with half a brain could have foreseen coming given the constant bloodlust communicated by the IDF and its leaders? You now have a different perspective even though people were pointing this shit out to you months ago? Nobody who accused Israel of having the intent to commit ongoing genocide were being reductive or reactive. It was people recognizing a pattern of behavior that had been occurring for centuries.

I bet snake would love this song. wherever he is, staring at the sky in like upstate New York or wherever, jamming this with a beer in one hand and a barometer in the other, hell yeah brother. freedom

The amount of liberals I’ve seen become pro Palestine now that it’s republicans doing the big no no is just amazing. Biden left and yall immediately jumped on board, you’ve had your kufiya and watermelon emojis at the ready for January 21st.

And when I say that I’m not rejecting extra bodies for pro Palestinian movements, I’ve just noticed a whole lot of bleeding heart democrats go from “it’s a complicated situation” to outright shitting on Israel.

@christbait
should’ve read your comment because you articulated it better than me.

Disturbed still sucks.

You'd have to be DISTURBED to support Israel at this point

Shitsturbed

Look no matter the politics, let's all come together and just say Disturbed's music is dog water doodoo. Can we all at least agree on that and shake hands.

Idk it takes a lot of talent to write Down With The Sickness for 25 years over and over again and do a shitty cover of sound of silence

Really just scraping the bottom of the barrel with this band

does david still type in all caps or is that phase over

idk man once you hit 40 I feel like that’s just who you are as a person and David is like 60, so, NO PROBABLY NOT

btw that bullshit Holocaust metaphor in Stricken, don't know what was he thinking when writing that

50 year old scumbags release new song.

I am ashamed that this is the band that got me into metal

Sounds like I need to listen to stricken immediately because I do not remember that and it is fucking hilarious that this stupid bald fuck would try to work something like that into the dumbest music metal has to offer… and metalheads listen to a lot of dumb shit so that’s truly saying something.

I guess you right. I do like my Psychostick and Knorkator. Fun dumb can be best dumb.

honestly The Sickness would be remembered as a truly great radio rock anthem record if David didn’t suck so fucking much. There’s some solid riffs but god the vocals man

Stricken honestly isn’t half bad either but he immediately ruins it with his AH AH AH AUGH shit.

And then you remember that literally all of their songs sound like that. I’m not backing that up with any contemporary research whatsoever but my dad fuckin loved this band so I have some decade and a half old memories of every song being a fucking blur.

Also anytime David approaches rapid vocal deliveries he should be kicked directly in the ass. Serj was the only one that can do that shit right.

Honestly the few songs I think is ok is Stupify, Intoxication and The Vengeful One. Sickness just feels like a a meme song now a days. They have some fun riffs on the rest of the Sickness album but I've lost interest in them a while ago.

@Christ and @Wildcard, if you think Israel or the United States government are behaving the same way now that they were before the current administration, you’re not paying attention or you’re not being honest. There is no world in which Biden and Trump’s vision, actions, and attitude towards Israel and Palestine can be considered the same. Having the world’s greatest superpower and most powerful ally give them full-throated support with no strings attached and on top of that, making unhinged statements about ethnically cleansing Gaza to build casinos, is supercharging Israel’s far-right and they’re very clearly ramping things up. Pretending it was a foregone conclusion that it was inevitably going to go this way is wrong, whatever you happen to think of the Democratic Party they were not all in on a U.S.-Israel takeover of Gaza.

“ It was people recognizing a pattern of behavior that had been occurring for centuries.”

Centuries? What are you talking about?

Brother I don’t think the people of Gaza care whether or not our genocidal leader is rude about it or not.

You can say maybe, possibly, it wouldn’t have accelerated so quick with Kamala in charge but a genocide is a genocide and that lady was fine with a genocide.

And I’m saying this as someone who fucking voted for her. I did what I was supposed to, I held my nose and voted and it didn’t make a fuckin difference. I think there is a serious argument to be made that if Kamala (or, ideally, a candidate that won a hypothetical primary) took a much harder stance on Israel the election would’ve been a lot closer. I still don’t think she would’ve won but she sucked on a multitude of issues, Gaza was just the most glaring of them. Democrats continue to capitulate to the right and these people fucking hate them anyways.

I hate to throw around buzzwords but aside from a few good eggs they are literally controlled opposition. The situation in Gaza would’ve been 95% the same with Kamala at the helm.

Delusional take absolutely out of touch with reality, if you think any sizable portion of the population didn’t vote for Kamala because of her stance on Palestine you are absolutely out of your mind, especially given that TRUMP was the alternative and there is no universe where his position isn’t significantly worse.

And not only that, Trump just follows the money (received over 200 million dollars from AIPAC/adjacent groups) and is dumb as fuck so when he sees beachfront property getting demolished he thinks “ooh nice a resort”

Biden was a true believer. He constantly labeled himself as a Zionist and his support for Israel was pretty much unwavering. Just because he called Netanyahu an asshole behind his back doesn’t mean he would’ve been any softer than the current administration and it honestly tells me Kamala wouldn’t have been any different than him.

Words don’t fucking matter, Gaza is getting turned into a fucking parking lot, we just get to choose if the aid we send is fucking woke or not.

You are correct, Israel / Gaza was a redline for many people. But not enough in all battleground states to swing the election imo.

But honestly by admitting that and typing that out you’re literally acknowledging how much of a fucking failure she was by not recognizing that. I’ve said my fuckin piece, there’s much smarter people that can articulate it better than I.

Democrats stay losing because they can’t read a fuckin room or, again, they’re controlled opposition.

Chuck Schumer was literally going around on his fuckin book tour saying that it’s his job to keep antisemitism out of the left meanwhile the admin running the country is filled to the fuckin brim with actual Nazis. One just got fuckin domed and they’re creating a fuckin holiday for him.

This is all just reminding me how useless democrats are aside from a choice few.

This is exactly what I’m talking about, you’re living in vibes politics. There’s no polling data that will support your read of why Kamala lost. Read this and tell me nothing significant has changed regarding U.S. support and Israel’s attitude:

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2025-03-06/israels-stance-donald-trumps-second-term

“they’re controlled opposition”

You’re going to keep grandstanding over Republicans meanwhile forming opinions with the exact same methodology of the average MAGA voter, morally lucking your way onto the left doesn’t change anything.

“Just because he called Netanyahu an asshole behind his back doesn’t mean he would’ve been any softer than the current administration”

Why are you saying this like we have to guess? Do you know that Biden was already president and Trump currently is, and we can compare them directly?

I’m not reading all of that because it’s obvious to anyone with eyes. Of course Israel stepped up their attacks when a fucking republican is in office, I’m literally just saying that it would still be happening under a hypothetical Harris admin. And of course I’m going on vibes. Kamala gave me the fuckin vibe that she would still be desecrating entire bloodlines because she gave me literally nothing else.

as I already stated, I VOTED FOR HER, AND TOLD OTHER PEOPLE THEY SHOULD TOO. I live in a deep red state so it was always going to be futile but I still put in the fuckin work trying to convince people to vote for her. I ruined relationships over my support for that woman and my continual bothering of everyone that thought Trump was some peaceful leader. How many fuckin maga people I told that he would literally be worse than any dem would make your head spin, but he was smart. He shut his fuckin mouth on Gaza for the most part and just stuck with vague “I’ll end wars” rhetoric when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

I think the closest thing I have to a point right now is that shit in Gaza would not be too different under a Harris presidency. I stand by that. Yes, it has predictably accelerated with a fuckin fascist in office, but most of it still would’ve happened with Kamala, she gave us no reason to think otherwise (talking about having the most lethal military in the world was such an insane thing to say, not openly distancing herself from Biden’s stances when we all made it clear he’s exactly what WE DIDNT WANT, etc I could go on and on).

Complaining that I’m using the same methodology as MAGA? Who gives a shit? Civility is what got us this fuckin room temperature IQ fourth reich. I’m done being nice to people over this, who gives a fuck about my methodology? And it’s not grandstanding when it’s true. I’m not a perfect person but I’m not genocidal, a fascist, a rapist… need I go on? Morally lucking my way into the left is evidently having common sense and a fucking backbone?

Unless the basis of your argument is that the genocide would’ve ended and we would’ve had a lasting ceasefire with Kamala, which is more delusional than the Q anon folks, then frankly I’m not very interested in what you have to say.

oh disturbed sucks and fuck David Drainman that’s my actual point

fun fact: right wing in Poland is anti-Israel

I’m not talking about civility, I’m talking about facing the facts. The average voter did not have Israel-Palestine at the forefront of their mind. It was a concern, yes, but it wasn’t remotely a deciding factor, and regardless, there’s no analysis on that issue where Trump is favourable anyway. Engaging in conspiracies of paid opposition and “trust me bro it’s obvious” is the methodology I’m referring to. I stand by what I said in February because you’re proving my point in real time, you’re out of touch with reality. As if Trump wasn’t a clear hardcore Israel supporter lmao. Once again I don't know why you’re acting like we need to guess. Did we forget he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem in his first term?

Can somebody kill me please

“ Did we forget he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem in his first term?”
Jesus fucking Christ… yes. They literally didn’t know. I interact with these people all day every day for a living. The average American is dumb as shit with the attention span of a gnat.

“Engaging in conspiracies of paid opposition“
It’s not a conspiracy, either they are (again with a few good eggs thrown in there) or they are so woefully inept and ineffective that they should lose their fucking jobs. Blaming dems for sucking so fucking much that they managed to lose to this fucking idiot twice shouldn’t be considered this radical of a stance.

I’m done engaging man. I’m seriously so tired of you smug liberal types.

“Can somebody kill me please”
me next tbh

Him next tbh [2]

Acting all tired bro you’re the one who revived this thread 6 months later responding to me. The way you’re bandying liberal about like it’s an insult you’re clearly drinking some illiberal nonsense anyway, this was always going to go nowhere but I don’t mind playing around.

that’s a good allegory for the Democratic Party. I can’t wait for nothing to change and get a Gavin Newsom - Mayor Pete 2028 ticket. Surely those two will be the ones to rock the boat!

He had a quote you might like, on recognition of a Palestinian state “What a profound question that arouses the biggest problems with Israel’s survival”

2 years into a genocide and we’ve got dipshits that will be running for president still running defense for an apartheid state. They’ve learned absolutely fucking nothing.