Very forgettable, feels like a different band and not a good one :/

Man this song is awful. Like the implementation of the strings but that's literally it...

Holy hell, this was terrible (pun intended)

The breakdown is so boring and the anthemic backing vocals made this horribly cheesy and inauthentic sounding. Really feels like they are just going for radio play. Bring Me the Horizon is doing the whole radio rock transition thing a million times better. This album is shaping up to be pretty damn awful

At least its better than animals I guess

Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become trite and mediocre.

"premiere"

Sounds like an entirely different singer in the chorus

100%, Odal. Why listen to this garbage when I can just listen to the new BMTH?

This doesn't even sound like the same band that dropped Holy Hell.

"This doesn't even sound like the same band that dropped Holy Hell."
Yes it does. Holy Hell was just as mediocre as this song is.

Yeah, band sucks. Used to have some fun tunes here and there though. Back in the mid 2000's to the early 2010s.

I always knew this band was full of shit

all our gods have abandoned us and before were so good man, they have fallen, but metalcore twitter just rides their dick on these new singles

God rest his soul but I knew when Tom Searle passed that the band would never be as good as they were

TFW new BMTH sounds heavier than this band

I don't dislike this, it's just not engaging. This is the kind of thing I would put on as background music.

This just sounds phoned in and sterile. They're capable of so much more...

Hope the rest of the album brings some RIFFS.

How do these guys have Josh Middleton in their ranks whilst putting out songs with guitar work this boring?

Ugh at least All Gods & Lost Forever had some fun if not mediocre songs, this is just bad

What an offensive waste of Sam Carter too

"I don't dislike this, it's just not engaging. This is the kind of thing I would put on as background music."

This is fodder for those 'core/rock 2020 playlist I put in the background so I don't work in silence, lol

Album better have a couple heavy jams

Weak af

I mean after years of being in the music industry, how can they be satisfied with this? They were a guilty pleasure band in the first place, but this just isn't fun

this sounds like it was written in 1 day with every intention of just getting it out the door

"These new songs aren't bad by any means"

actually they're bad by a lot of means

Well not offensively bad, like Parkway Drive levels of fall off. Still weak on most fronts

Yeah it's just a weak fucking song... There's so much they could've done to make this sound cooler. Hyper agree with the Josh Middleton statement... Sad tbh, would be cool if they utilized his thrashy talent. Yes this new record will probably be good for them financially but I'm not sure if it will be good for them in the long run. They can't keep on copying BMtH I think and remain populair right?

"Sad tbh, would be cool if they utilized his trashy talent."

Bit harsh

lol, good one haha

Changed the typo xoxo

"They can't keep on copying BMtH I think and remain populair right?"
Nah they can. The average core fanboy is eating this weak shit up along with whatever Erra and BMTH shit out.

Unfortunately yes ^^^

Core fanboys like Nik Nocturnal are so annoying

I think he does it for the moneyz tbh

I can't picture anyone listening to the latest bmth ep or amo and be like "yo, this shit is lit" non-sarcastically

I dunno, comparing them these guys to Erra is a little unfair. You can dislike the genre but Erra does their genre better than most.

First song was better. This is just boring.

There's no way Nik Nocturnal is completely serious about his love for this generic metalcore lol

Idk... I mean I grew up listening to bands like Architects and BMTH. I'm almost 30 now and I'm in this weird space where I want to still like them for what they do but it just doesn't ignite a spark anymore. This one definitely sounds better than "animals" with its horrible chorus. But yeah again, chorus... from the first 30 seconds this song had potential. I'm going to reserve my opinion until i hear the whole thing.
Between this and ADTR's brick wall woah what a year 2021 is going to be ahah

Core fanboys like Nik Nocturnal are so annoying [2]

NN is annoying as living shit lmao. every time i go to youtube i see his dumbass "reaction face" for some metalcore band that released some middle of the road song

infinite eye roll on that fucker

@sput, i feel ya. 27 here and while metalcore used to be what really inspired me, a lot of the sound has become stale as fuck. gotta find good bands, like Earthists

"I mean I grew up listening to bands like Architects and BMTH."

Horizons, Hollow Crown, and As Daylight Dies were in my heavy rotation when I was 17-19. My nostalgia goggles broke a long time ago, mate. Good thing we've got bands like Palm Reader around to save the fuming vestiges of the core scene.

Giants?

i miss toms guitar so much

@nocte theyre talking about how fat sam has gotten

have any of you heard dead butterflies though?

that one fucking rules

Sam do be looking a bit shite lately. Get that boi some meat.

Sam looks like an absolute unit in the thumbnail of this vid.

@Spec Where did you hear that one?

it was on the setlist for their royal albert hall set

there’s a really shitty rip of it up on youtube if you really want to hear it

Well that was better than the two singles. Still, unless there's a "Seventh Circle" on the new album I won't be satisfied

"Ugh at least All Gods & Lost Forever had some fun if not mediocre songs, this is just bad"

Those albums (much more so Lost Forever) had some great songs on it. Lost Forever is an overall great album IMO. But yea this is absolute trash.

"Core fanboys like Nik Nocturnal are so annoying"

I already know without watching his reaction that he loved every second of this lmao

If it wasn't enough that this band has pretty much always been creating a chimera of shit out of ripping off BMTH, Periphery and Linkin Park at the same time - these guys are now underutilizing an amazing guitar player in their band while pumping out arena pop-metal logs of trash.

Fuck this band.

pretty impressive how they managed to create a 4 min and 7 sec song without a single second being interesting in any way

Zzz
This is like The Here And Now all over again

some dum bitchass still gon slap a 3.5 on this abomination

The Here and Now rocked tho.

"The Here and Now rocked tho."
Yea that's an overhated album for sure. Its way more fun than whatever they're trying to do now.

I fucking love it (not this tho).

Half the songs from THaN are endlessly quotable.

I liked this a lot

@cloakanddagger

"How do these guys have Josh Middleton in their ranks whilst putting out songs with guitar work this boring?"

There was an interview with him from around the time when Sylosis' single "I Sever" dropped where they brought up Architects and he said he didn't really contribute to the writing of Holy Hell. I wouldn't be surprised he didn't really contribute much to the new album either.

If you watch the making of videos about the newest Sylosis album he says that he really wasn't making much of a living off music until he joined Architects.

So it stands to reason he's more of a hired gun than a contributing member. I know he's been friends with them for a long time so him stepping in wasn't just for the money. But it's pretty obvious he's not adding anything to the band other than being able to play anything they come up with.

"There's no way Nik Nocturnal is completely serious about his love for this generic metalcore lol"

lmao yeah there's no way. I almost tend to watch those reaction videos when these kinda songs come out just to see how he'll out-jerk himself. only thing I've ever seen him dislike was the new adtr song... which even adtr-stans hated.

also... anyone find it kinda weird/sus how he'll like completely hijack a band's new album for his own gain? Like he had a guitar cover of every single song from the new Trivium album (with the solos) posted on his channel literally the day the album came out. Reaction videos and guitar covers for every track on the new bmth EP the day it dropped (he even reacted to the fucking interlude). he's prob gonna do it with this architects album too. like I respect the hustle but there's just something kind off to me about the way he milks every drop of content he can out of these bands/albums/songs.

Good song but they're capable of better. I like the samples as well as the BTHM vibe, but I really want some more guitar leads. Josh Middleton will show up someday, I know it.

"Core fanboys like Nik Nocturnal are so annoying"

Yeah, just look at this garbage comment on his video on his reaction to this song.
"This band is on another level right now. Amazing."

And on top of that he cums at every shitty breakdown. There's a reason generic core is constantly loved because it caters to people who literally just love the most basic of shit. Generic core is pretty much pop to actual good metalcore

Yeah not liking this direction what do ever. Better then animals but that’s not saying much. Pretty dreadful.

Guys, most reaction youtubers are just fucking bad and dishonest, that's how reaction videos work. You jerk off to music you don't actually like so the band's fans like your video

Well now i have found Palm reader the hole i left Architects in my trashy metalcore section has been filled. The band fell down after Lf//Lt, take away the personal and cancer from All our Gods and your left with just Lf//Lt 2.0 with a handful of good songs and three tracks that sound identical.

[2] tbh

@Alien six

That makes sense, though it still sucks that they have him in their ranks and he doesn't really contribute to the songwriting at all. It's pretty much a mirror situation with Arch Enemy and Jeff Loomis, the guitar work in both bands would be so much more interesting if these guys were actually contributing to the songwriting.

This thread is filled with people acting Architects where ever not bland, weird.

This is terrible, just like everything past Ruin. Ever since Daybreak they have been making variations of one damn song, each and every song they released sounded identical. At least this doesn't follow suit, so that is one small plus I can give it.

I really disagree there LOL

It's not that bad lmao, average track.

I really don't care anymore tbh. Idk what's worse, mediocrity or being bad. Both sucks tho

I just find it odd that the band hates the here and now with such a passion because they followed a popular trend and the album failed (its still a fun af record tbh and catchy if not cheesy), but they are heading in this direction now. Unless half the new record is going to be pop stuff and the other half will the rest of the shaft of the seventh circles cock tease tip

Some people are treating this like the worst piece of shit in the history of music and it is in no way that bad tbh. It's a bit bland but kinda entertaining.

Yea its not that bad just dissapointing and bland, I think the main reason everyones so upset is all of the metalcore bands from that 2006ish era (Parkway, Bmth etc) are heading in this arena rock direction. If this is the direction they are heading in at least Sam has the singing voice for it unlike Sykes who is a shite vocalist and Winston who just stuck with weird raspy vocals on the dumpster fire of Reverence

I agree on it being bland

It's to be expected, times are tough and bands need to make a buck lol

They could try making less bland stuff, I do agree on that part with most of the comments here

Its popcorn music, its nothing special or particularly good but you cant help but listen to it

Architects have always been bland. Stop acting this was some kind of great metalcore band.

They also stink live.

Cant really agree with the live statement.

It’s cool to shit on bmth these days but they are still ahead of the game, arhitects just catching up

Kinda true. Oli sucks tho

I do enjoy their recent stuff, but they’re definitely not a band that I’d want to see live. Btw just checked this Nik guy’s reaction and it fuckin ruined my day. Dude is an obnoxious little fuck, thought these scene fanboys were gone

Nik and other reaction channels who go crazy over every new core song that drops are utter cringe.

“Holy Hell was just as mediocre as this song is.”
Who cares if you think that. I just said this doesn’t even sound like the same band.

I dig the heavier riffs, and I like a lot of pop-metalcore. but man that chorus is just terrible. it sounds unsure of its owns hooks, so he just keeps quickly singing almost-catchy parts over and over

Architects have always been bland lol what? Daybreakr helped define modern progcore. If it's bland it's because of endless clone attempts

Do you mean Daybreaker

Lol yea. Dayseeker is bae tho.

Daybreaker is a damn good album im not sure why we have to pretend their disco is suddenly terrible just because they suck now.

Daybreaker do be ownin hard

Oli is a great studio vocalist, and a bad live one.

I heard BMTH live around when TTS dropped and he sounded fine to me, don't remember any obvious terribleness. Underoath was doing DTGL anniversary setlist or something too and Spencer absolutely killed it though. Way better than bmth headlining

Guess they wanted to go more mainstream

Oli: terrible live vocalist
Spencer: only sounds good on TOCS songs now
Sam: still a beast for live performances

Spencer sounds killer on all old Underoath material idk what you're talking about he destroyed LITSOS stuff recently.

Yea Spencer still kills it

Sam was fucking terrible the time I saw him live. The drummer was the only one that shouldn't be ashamed of his performance that dat.

Don't help the band was sandwiched between two bands that could actually perform live. I never was a fan of this band, but after that live performance I totally wrote them off as garbage.

This new album is shaping up to be hot doo doo, unfortunately.

Sam has been insanely good every time I've seen them. Sounds just like the record, but also adds in those beefy lows that he doesn't do on any fucking record nowadays. Coulda just been a bad day in your situation

Sam was really good when I saw them live. Like on point, almost studio version consistent. Maybe he was just having a bad day. [2]

Screaming your lungs out everyday for a living comes with a few bumps in the road. Even after one day, I think my voice would sound like I'd been smoking cigarettes since I was 10 lol

Yea didnt underoath just release a live album? Gonna have to peep it

I dunno but they had clips on their youtube channel and Spencer was going HAM on those songs.

He's probably my favorite live vocalist in core music.

I used to like some of Nik's content when he's just fooling around but his reaction videos are among the most dishonest I've ever seen. It's so blatantly transparent how fake his reactions are and that on the inside he's most likely indifferent. It's getting to the point where when his reactions pop up in my youtube feed it instantly puts me off the song just knowing he faked enjoying it. I respect his hustle to put out content that works with youtube's brutal algorithm but it's just all so dry and forced, apart from his goofy comedy videos and his own music.

Why can't people just give a legitimate reaction to something? Are they afraid Sam's going to like, knock down their door and shit on their desk? Like I respect if he honestly is over the moon for tracks like this and I'm in the wrong, but christ seeing everyone else have the same reaction to this kind of shit in this thread is incredibly validating.

sam is fantastic live yeah, my fav core live vocalist would have to be brendan from counterparts though

the best genre of youtube is random mediocre ass dudes pulling 'ooo nasty riff bro!!' faces at bad music, nik and that hard core channel are prime examples

I refuse to watch a "reaction" video unless it is done by a hot girl. No other reason to subject yourself to that.

What a shitty direction to head in as a band.

Also, why are Sam's vocals so processed? Dude hardly sounds like himself during those clean sections.

No. Just, no.

this is just garbage, anyone got a place to watch that Royal Albert Hall stream they did, seems it was pretty good

“Yea Spencer still kills it “


bro spencer sounds nasally as fuck now when he tries to do DTGL songs and you know it

No? Link me an example of what you're talking about?

u talkin to me or

You know I am bb

just listen to the dtgl live album they put out then

dude sounds like he’s got that post nasal drip going on

But have you been peeping these live vids they've been putting out bro, he sounds killer

Medium rare makes a good point.

The comments in here are more embarrassing than what they claiming the song to be.

They've been releasing music for 15 years. They've already influenced the scene more so than almost any other band. They've already released an album full of songs far mellower than this one.

They can do whatever the hell they want at this point.

If they made another AOGHAU it would have been a career killer because it's been done to death by both them and every other band in the metalcore scene in the last 5 years.

I agree, they can do whatever they want.

The songs still suck tho. Doesn't change anything.

"They've been releasing music for 15 years. They've already influenced the scene more so than almost any other band. They've already released an album full of songs far mellower than this one."

I hate seeing this excuse. On top of that, people often say these guys are super influential but don't given credit to the OG metalcore bands that put this genre on the map and have them to thank for bands like this even existing.

"But have you been peeping these live vids they've been putting out bro, he sounds killer"

I don't think Spencer has sounded great live for a while. The speaking/yelling parts and any low parts always sound fucked.

"They can do whatever the hell they want at this point."
Yea, and we can shit on it or praise it however the hell we want.

Spec, are we listening to the same Spencer?

Incredible how they have 'influenced' the metalcore scene so markedly and yet the last album they released that wasnt utter shite was in 2009

Yes they can do whatever they want but so can every artist. That being said they are still open to critisicim whether people agree with it or not.

2011*

I hate everything and every song and can only criticize and dont even enjoy music

calm down

having never heard a sliver of these guys' work, were they ever good?

their first album was great, their second was good, their third was average, and it has followed this negative trend ever since

Bruh I'm just so tired of the pretentious criticisms when a band this good changes direction. I don't even care if they are changing sound for cash, a band this accomplished who have been doing it this long deserve to make a living for themselves and their families. grow up.

calm down

Nobody's mad lmao

no,o bodyy's mmad.....

I'm so mad.

im friggin pissed...

Every time I click this post I laugh again at chonky boi Sam in that thumbnail.

Turning the friggin frogs GAY

"their first album was great, their second was good, their third was average, and it has followed this negative trend ever since"

Hollow Crown was better than Ruin I don't GET you guys.

Nightmares was also much better than Ruin.

well i doubt anyone will argue that nightmares isn't better than ruin at least

actually that Purpose guy seems like he might

i dont know who that is im not here a lot anymore

Did someone actually seriously say architects influenced Metalcore?

We're in bigger trouble than previously thought.

they have 100% influenced new metalcore bands

@spec he's the guy 6 posts above your original post gatekeeping new architects opinions

Ah that makes more sense. Metalcore is complete garbage nowadays, and architects have always been garbage so that definitely checks out.

successful awful band influences more awful bands, agreed

yeah i was gonna say, they definitely influenced metalcore

just not any good metalcore

i fanboy them pretty hard obvs and probably always will but animals was one of the worst songs i've heard in a long time

fucking christ just sampled this for a sec, these dudes straight up sound like hot-topic core now

that "whoahh" is so well placed tho

Dead Butterflies sounds way better than what they've shown us, and that's judging from a shitty quality leak from their Royal Albert Hall show. Thanks for the heads up on that btw Spec ;]

The upcoming album is 15 tracks long, so there's still a lotttt more to come. For better or worse...

15 tracks is a lot wow. I bet they cant order the tracks on the record im a decent way, i feel some of their records would be better with reordering. I.e All our gods having three identical tracks back to back and Holy heckin hell just slapping the seventh circle between Doomsday and the closer

Animals was awful, this is slightly better. They’re definitely going for a BMTH sound though, Jordan Fish is credited on this upcoming album.l

@Ectier: Which tracks are the three identical ones in your opinion? I agree it's too samey

@Kalkewise
Deathwish, Phantom fear, Downfall. Those three tracks back to back is a horrible slog if sameyness, especially after the explosive opening of Nihilist. They have slight diffrences from each other but those are extremly limited

I thought of The Empty Hourglass, A Match Made in Heaven and Gravity tbh, but yours makes a lot of sense

"their first album was great, their second was good, their third was average, and it has followed this negative trend ever since"

pretty much.

Even Nightmares wasnt even that good compared to comparable bands back at release. These guys just watered down mathcore and called it a day. Judging by the paycheck they make, this obviously was a good business move.

I like gravity, match made in heaven is like the three repetive songs but better executed. Empty hourglass is just kind of there tbh.

A Match Made In Heaven is like Gravedigger with a slightly different riff tbh. Even the blegh in the exact same place.
But Gravity is actually a great tune, agreed on that

Yea you are right there. From the wilderness is also one of the stand outs

You think? That ones doesn't do much for me tbh. I like the samples tho

Yea i think its one of the highlights, its not on levels of Colony Collapse though. Love that track

But the devil is near, red hypergiant and from the wilderness should have beem a sea shepherd ep. All the money goes to sea shepherd. Would have been cool

Not feeling this. Weak effort, even though Animals was interesting with some catchiness. Was really hoping after HH they would flex themselves a little more. Still looking forward to hearing the album in its full capacity.

sad seeing this genre get worse by the year. cant believe metalcore used to be full of creativity about twenty years ago

Yup.

Ruin does not get enough love in their discography imo