was gonna joke and say maybe i'll check this but it's 64 minutes long and I don't think I can sit through that much Inquisition for a shitpost.

last thread went pretty well, looking forward to this one

"Comments are turned off."

gosh, how mystifying, i cannot figure out why agonia records would disable the comments on an inquisition record

fuck Agonia for supporting these cunts.

If your wiki page has sections for both Child pornography AND neo-Nazism you should do the rest of the metal community a favor and consider the following options:

1. Fuck off
2. Move to a more enlightened, prosperous locale, like Harrison, Arkansas
3. Become an OANN news corespondent
4. Immediately develop an inoperable brain tumor

more like inKIDsition amirite

Grim Reaper taking a shit ass album cover

lmao

"fuck Agonia for supporting these cunts."

they'll always have people who value riffs over morals willing to give them money i guess

seen some right here on this site

Prob gonna pirate check sooner or later, but the song I heard of it was far from as good as their classic stuff

and I'm not gonna buy anyway

Can't wait to see the inevitable shitshow that will ensue

Word the album art really is the grim reaper taking a shit

Basically lol

"fuck Agonia for supporting these cunts."

"they'll always have people who value riffs over morals willing to give them money i guess"

In the end, this is just another BM act, I suppose. Not a particularly interesting one, really. I'd take any Immortal album before this, any day. With their "extra curricular activities" they do not do themselves any favours, either.

I have no problem with what they do in their free time! The album is great btw

Even worse, they probably did that shit during work hours too

hi kiska, thanks for joining sputnik just to defend a dude who likes child porn and rate his record. also noticed the other record you rated which is a solo project by a dude who owns a NSBM label. can't wait to see what else you'll contribute!

obvious wretchedcacophony alt

Man just made and account and he's already taking an L

i like how there was plausibility to his getting in trouble for watching *porn* in public and the cp things being unproven, and then Agonia straight up tweeted confirmation about it and said "nbd who cares" lmao it's hilarious

I gotta see that lmfao. Link?

Last I checked they deleted those tweets but there's probably screenshots floating around.

Well, for the nazi allegations, there's this article: https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2015/07/10/inquisition-frontman-dagon-i-m-not-a-nazi/

For the claims of him being a pedo, there's this: https://youtu.be/T67unb13c1c

Here is the Agonia tweet referenced above: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnYC6lSXMAIvKGF.jpg

Keep in mind, Dagon went through at least 2 years of a sexual deviancy class and was cited as an active participant in it. He was also not deemed a threat to the community and "appears sincere in his efforts not to return to his deviant lifestyle". That quote was back in 2011. You're free to choose to believe the person in question or the accusers.

"For the claims of him being a pedo, there's this: https://youtu.be/T67unb13c1c"

oh not this guy. his entire argument hinges on "it only shows the prosecutions side of things" but... yeah, of course it does, he plead guilty to it. you only enter a plea bargain if you have something to be guilty of.

i'd be far more willing to believe (and have a conversation around) his efforts to come out of the other side of his actions if the conversation from him were far more honest and open. if his demeanour is downplaying and talking about how 'not a big deal' it is, i'm really not in any position to give him any benefit of the doubt. even agonia talk about how the only victim is him when the consumption of that material creates a demand - no one would make it if nobody wanted it.

for the record as well - i don't think someone should be damned forever for their past actions. you don't just wake up one day and think "hey i'm gonna be a pedo". clearly it's some form of mental deviancy (perhaps that's a really bad term) that requires intensive rehabilitation and therapy and i'm certainly not in any position to make the judgment as to whether someone can or cannot be rehabilitated successfully. but the blasé attitude fucking stinks.

in any case, thanks for the sources.

https://youtu.be/T67unb13c1c

oh yeah that guy is not a trustworthy source in the slightest.

i wonder what the former nsbm band member and current libertarian has to say about this

yeah I'm never buying another Agonia release

"i'd be far more willing to believe (and have a conversation around) his efforts to come out of the other side of his actions "

yeah if he'd come out and said he was in a fucked up place and did a lot of bad shit a decade ago but like... turned his life around or w/e, i'd be much more willing to believe he could be rehabilitated. but nope.

also razorfist hates death metal, so on principle alone his opinions aren't worth shit.

theres no place fucked up enough to be in to have you watching (and apparently storing on your computer) the videos he's alleged to have done. unless yall talking about him being a nazi, in which case I can understand this sentiment

he was also allegedly distributing them to other people.

yeah and i mean i'm going wayyy out to be devil's advocate for hypothetical rehabilitation and even then there's not much justification for it. maybe if he got therapy and was really open about it a decade ago and tried to fix his image since then? but nope

...but he did say he was in a dark place and he did get therapy....for at least two years. He also specifically stated in 2018, 11 years after the initial charges, that he "made very unwise decisions". He didn't try to "fix him image" in that time because people didn't associate him with anything bad. Basically there was no image to fix.

Also, if we're distrusting Razorfist, why are we trusting Metalsucks? A heavy bias, which they admit to having, doesn't make them particularly credible IMO. Let's also remember the joke (I hope it was a joke) that Metalsucks founder Axl Rosenberg made about why he chose his name. See here: https://noisecreep.com/metal-sucks-interview/

Razorfist is a right wing goon on youtube who has proven the slim scope of his political knowledge a dozen times over. I don't generally go to metalsucks for information, but if I did it would be to look at the sources I know they cite rather than merely going off their writing.

Bias doesn't intrinsically mean the information is bad. Everyone has bias in journalism and it's ok if you're openly expressing bias in your outlet. The problem comes when you're not citing sources or misrepresenting the sources you're citing.

the only thing MetalSucks did was post the publicly available documents related to the investigation and trial, so unless you think they're part of some deep conspiracy to collaborate with law enforcement and courts to frame him, the fact that they were the ones who shared them is completely irrelevant.

and even if we gave him the benefit of the doubt that he's been "cured" of pedophilia, the dude's still a nazi... so.

tbh in general I'd be way more open to someone claiming to have moved on from nazism than someone claiming to have been healed of pedophilia. Shedding political beliefs is way easier than whatever the fuck causes pedophiles. I wasn't under the impression that people ever go through rehabilitation and just aren't pedophiles after, it's like an addict having to fight their addiction for the rest of their lives.

but ye, I haven't ever seen any indication that they've acknowledged the nazi issue anyway so there is still that to contend with.

I agree bias doesn't inherently make something unreliable, but it does make me cautious over the truth. The court documents are certainly true, but even facts can be misused.

Also, let's just say he is a pedophile for the moment. I don't think there's a "cure" for pedophilia, but he may have gotten therapy to help deal with the feelings. It's not so much that the desire is removed, but the ability to control it was taught. Another thing is, if being in a dark place and being under stress was to blame for him acting on those thoughts, then wouldn't boycotting his music push him back into a worse place? I'm just guessing, but I'd assume Dagon uses his music as a creative/emotional outlet. I don't know why supporting a relatively healthy emotional outlet is a bad thing. We haven't heard about Dagon getting in trouble for anything similar since the original charges.

Lastly (for now), they did acknowledge the nazi allegations. I posted a link to a Decibel article about it in a previous post. I also found this quote from Dagon: "Black Metal is the music of the satanic spirit and always will be regardless of your culture, your folk or race because Black metal was created today for the heathens of today.". That came from here: https://www.mortemzine.net/interview-with-inquisition/

have you even read the fucking documents? he had a video called "2yo girl raped during diaper change". there's nothing being "misused" and there's nothing hypothetical about him being a pedophile.

ah, yes, let's all give a pedophile our money to keep him happy!

are you even thinking about the words you're typing?

With regards to the interview, the question was a very vaguely worded softball and the answer a likewise vaguely worded sidestep into hating "judeo-christianity". I don't think it tells me much of anything about these people. I get that black metal dudes constantly speak in the most pretentious long winded language, but I need a plainer statement on this topic.

My understanding of the pedo stuff is that this fairly recent news in terms of becoming widely disseminated info and I haven't seen anyone address it except the incredibly shitty responses from Agonia.

christ people will bend over backwards so far that they'll shove their heads up their asses to defend shit like this.

"Another thing is, if being in a dark place and being under stress was to blame for him acting on those thoughts, then wouldn't boycotting his music push him back into a worse place?"

nah don't put this on the listener. he's going to have to find a way to cope with being a dude nobody wants to support because he disseminated cp

"I'm just guessing, but I'd assume Dagon uses his music as a creative/emotional outlet. I don't know why supporting a relatively healthy emotional outlet is a bad thing"

because in ur words, ur guessing. u don't know for sure. for all u know ur funding his habits

no need to contort ur mind into a pretzel, just say u like his music and u wanna buy it and keep it moving

while they're at it they should also hit up my venmo so that I too can be monetarily encouraged to not do crimes.

let me word it a different way, it seems my ideas didn't come across right. What I meant with the second part of my last post is, Dagon creating music seems like a good choice for him to work on. If you're known as a pedophile, then I'm inclined to believe it's exceedingly difficult to get a typical job, and not without reason. Whether or not it was all Dagon really did, the only convictions he plead guilty to and was convicted for were "Unlawful Display of Sexually Explicit Material" and "Obstructing a Law Enforcement Officer". He served his sentence, went to therapy, and to the best of my knowledge, hasn't offended since. At least what he's doing currently brings other people joy.

As it stands, Dagon did everything he was required to do. Basically, I'm unsure what you want Dagon to do if you don't want him to be able to live off music. Is Dagon deserving of a second chance given this was his only offense, which happened over a decade ago? If you don't want to listen to Inquisition anymore or buy any of their merchandise, that's understandable. I don't agree with the hate Agonia and Inquisition fans have received. I'll probably not post any further in this since I don't think it'll do anyone on either side of the argument any good.

why should I sympathize with a nazi pedophile?

no, I don't want him to make money off of music, and yes, I will judge people who give him money or companies that enable him.

the takeaway here is that his sentence was way too light

^ for real. How the fuck is this dude already released and putting out music again?

Which one of y’all added lost prophets to the related bands lol

Fucking lol

"Similar bands: Gary Glitter , Lostprophets"

I'm dead

lmaooooo

looks like it got removed lol

"Contributors: blou52, heck"

probably gives the timeline of events lmao

blou52 been hella sus, time to eject

Grim reapen farten poopen

"you only enter a plea bargain if you have something to be guilty of."

Not at all, people take deals all the time even when theyre not guilty because theyre afraid of the much harsher sentence they might get if they dont. This is an issue with public defenders especially. They dont have the time to put up a robust defense for you, theyre overworked, and so they will tell you to take the deal whether you did it or not.

But anyways, having a babyrape video or whatever on your computer is damning.

Oh, and razorfist is a fucking moron by the way, imagine posting a link of his to prove a point with a straight face.

who gives a shit what they do in their free time bro.

- WretchedCacophony