In other news a sputnik list will undergo transplacement into a news article.
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Horribly titled
M-to-F come on
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cool
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I for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site.
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inb4 a bunch of dumb comments from children
props to tom
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yep
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satellite
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"I for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site."
Yeah but people are trashed on here every day/night by being themselves. It's not so different really. This guy definitely has the balls, pun sort of intended, to do this though. It really does have to be a tough thing for someone to go through, especially someone in such an established band.
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"Yeah but people are trashed on here every day/night by being themselves."
yeah because this is a valid comparison at all
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Yeah because it totally is.
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I like how from the music community, be it some notable bands or just DIY locals, there's been a positive response to the news and they're backing Laura 100%
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satellite is a jerk
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that is not a valid comparison. getting in spatting matches on the internet is totally different than the fear and potential animosity that can accompany this.
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so what happens with the band? does he continue singing in a male voice or switch over to a female voice?
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most punk thing ever. cultural norms be damned, this guy (girl) is a boss.
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my guess is whatever happens happens with it. obviously the vox is gonna change
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so what happens with the band? does he continue singing in a male voice or switch over to a female voice?
my understanding (which is admittedly limited) is that the vocal chords are largely unchanged by the transition itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_therapy_%28transgender%29
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i am so happy for him
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They do change. It's not like instantly dainty but there is some change.
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Okay, lets just throw cyber bullying out the window, that can never be a legitimate source for emotional damage. I stand by what I say. It's not so different because people can be really ruthless with their words. It doesn't matter to whom, where or how the conversation is taking place, or the subject that is being spoken of, people can get just as emotionally hurt from discussing certain things. I should take back my statement about it being "on here," but regardless, internet bullying is probably just as an emotional thing, and a lot of people aren't caring enough about that either. Not trying to demean this at all, this guy has a lot of guts and convictions to do what he's doing, a lot more than most of us dream to have at that.
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I think you mean well, but you're belittling the social stigma around transgender individuals with your comparison. Yes, cyberbullying can be bad, but douchebags on the internet are faceless where he has to now deal with a level of intolerance and discomfort from people who he can see and interact with in real life with real life consequences that go far beyond name calling, including friends and family.
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Respect for making the most out of life.
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" for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site."
there are a lot of asshole trolls in that thread. i can't pretend to know how he feels, but i hope that his decision brings him peace of mind. had he ever talked about this before he announced he would be undergoing gender reassignment surgery, or is this all out of the blue?
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yeah for sure, but from what i gather that's more due to speech therapy and/or speech-specific surgery than actual hormonal change.
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he said he's not attracted to men and that he and his wife will be staying together. i imagine it will
be hard on them, but the kid is pretty young.
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if he loves his wife (who is super supportive of his decision btw) and kid what difference does it make?
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"if he loves his wife (who is super supportive of his decision btw) and kid what difference does it make?"
it obviously makes some difference. not necessarily negatively, but its a pretty big change for everybody close to him.
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erm lesbian couples are pretty capable of having sex
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welp, its time for a lil sex ed with andcas
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"but you're belittling the social stigma around transgender individuals with your comparison"
Sorry, it wasn't my intention at all to belittle anything. I just think it's ridiculous that some people will go on to say "yeah, it's wrong to treat him differently because he wants to change his gender." yet they go on to bash people that same day because of political, religious, or social beliefs that can cause a lot of emotional damage as well. I think that that was were most of my frustrations came from. I didn't mean to offend anyone or belittle anything, it was just a poorly worded observation I guess
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Yeah I mean you can't pretend that if his wife is straight then it won't be hard for her to transition to having sex with her. Even if she's in love, I mean it's just going to change a lot.
but good for her for being so supportive, of course. And good for Tom, it takes a lot of courage to do something like that.
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also if you go on Punknews the first comment is "MORE LIKE TOM GAY-BEL"
goddammit.
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The children brown-nosing him before anyone's even said anything nasty is pretty funny. Grow up - people have opinions that differ. We can say anything we want about him.
Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.
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OH LOOK AN EDGY PERSON
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Holy fuck all of you go listen to Bamboo Bones
Maybe I'm just high but that chorus makes me want to cry now. Go Laura!
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WHAT GOD DOESN'T GIVE TO YOU YOU HAVE TO GO AND GET FOR YOURSELF
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Good for her
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m/
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I get that this is totally cool and should be treated without prejudice but GOD DAMN IS THIS THE MOST SURPRISING THING I'VE EVER HEARD.
Also wondering how Against Me! will be after this.
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LOL
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Congratulations to Laura, can't be an easy decision to make for someone in the public eye.
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Tom Gabel to Transition M-to-F
so from a motherfucker to my fucking mother
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also still going to call him tom
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This is unexpected. But I guess Against Me! were dead anyway. Things can only get better.
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Against Men!
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Reinventing Axl Rose is by far their best.
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Why not just put Tom Gabel To Undergo Sex Change?
Or a less confusing title, "Tom Gabel to Remove his Baubles"
But yeah, do you, Tom
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Good luck to her
can't find that list, guess it got deleted?
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Horribly titled
M-to-F come on
It's brilliantly titled, shut up.
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Woah ok wasn't expecting this but good for him
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Ups, didn't see this article in the front page, just submitted the same story to the news feed lol Ignore it mods!
On topic, do you guys think it will affect live gigs such as Ressurection 2012?
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good for her, major respect
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Yea that thread was pretty hilarious, I'm sure she's just doing this for attention right. Negating the fact that a decision like this radically changes everything in your life, here's the lyrics from "The Ocean"
And if I could have chosen, I would have been born a woman
My mother once told me she would have named me Laura
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Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.
yes it is
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Why do my news articles always get deleted?
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That's pretty quirky news. =P
I think this is the first time I've ever heard anything like this happen with someone so public. I think it's cool. =)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
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whoa, this came out of nowhere
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As others have said suddenly some of his lyrics make a lot more sense. I'm curious to see what impact this might have on the band. I'm one of like 6 people who has loved every album they've put out equally.
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Got to applaud him for having the courage to do this. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to live with something like that. Really brave thing to do
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so does that list still exist or what
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wow cool, would be quite weird for his wife and kid though
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Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.
Shut up, you're wrong
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Still a man to me.
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Not criticising, but surely these hormone injections will alter his personality somewhat, I just hope the media attention doesn't make him reclusive. As much as I was disappointed by AM's last album, they're still an awesome live band and a cornerstone of modern punk.
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Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.
yes it is
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Still a man to me.
She's officially come out, so she is to be referred to using the female pronoun only, that is how it works, there is no debate to be had here
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Well, this news caught me off-guard...was pretty stunned by it. But good for Tom though, can't imagine this was an easy thing to do.
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The only other moderately major rock figure I can think of who went trans is Keith Caputo from Life Of Agony
Tom Gabel is a highly respected man and is relatively "normal" considering the only other trans people the public are regularly exposed to are people like Jeffree Starr, who I can safely say is far from the "norm". Someone so normal in a band that gets their fair share of play on the radio and TV coming out as trans could do a fair amount of good for the community. This is actually great news
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And I just realised I accidentally contradicted myself with the pronoun usage, my bad
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much respect.
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@Titan
It's cool to say that though, I mean you're hardly going to call him a well respected woman are you?
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Person?
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lol i expected them to get even gayer after White Crosses but gotdamn
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mother to fucker
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good for her. takes balls to do something like this (no pun intended).
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"Tom Gabel is a highly respected man and is relatively "normal" considering the only other trans people the public are regularly exposed to are people like Jeffree Starr, who I can safely say is far from the "norm"
i don't think jeffree star is transgender, i'm pretty sure he still identifies as a male.
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@titan, jeffree star still has and plans to keep his male genitalia.
Still pretty much the closest to trans the public gets
lol i expected them to get even gayer after White Crosses but gotdamn
lmao shut up
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She's officially come out, so she is to be referred to using the female pronoun only, that is how it works, there is no debate to be had here
he
he
he
he
he
he
he
he is still a man
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refer by gender, not by sex
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reverse cowgirl
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The original article that I read said Tom would be keeping his genitals, so making love to his wife shouldn't really be much of a problem. As far as it might be hard for her to get use to...she's coming out as staying supportive and wanting to stay married to him, so it must not be something that bothers her too much. Also I realize I am calling him a he still...but lets face it, he will always be Tom Gable even if he has tits and calls himself Laura. He got famous as Tom Gable, and will always be remembered as such.
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It will be weird but I'm sure his wife has been aware of his gender dysphoria and saw this coming to some extent.
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He should definitely get some tits. Big ones that he can play around with. I support his decision
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I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.
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I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.
ugh
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ugh
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yeah
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nobody else finds this weird?
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ask God to help you and to give you Peace
Matt 11:28
Man do I hate yahoo comments
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Still cant believe this. I'm glad for Gabel, but it's just so surprising. They're coming to play near me in June, I kinda wanna see them to see how the band will sound now
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still a guy
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so?
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@emim: it doesn't matter how he was born, his preference should be respected. i'm not sure if it's still a developing theory or considered fact, but modern medical research has indicated that transgender people's brain structures often resemble that of their desired sex.
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so while you can argue that physically he was born a male, in can also be argued that the most important part of his identity is
actually female.
edit: that meaning his brain chemistry
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i suppose all of the male pronouns in there should be switched to female, but it'll take some getting used to
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i didn't see any of the comments on the list adam's referring to but judging by this site's general history in reacting to anything and the likelihood i will get extremely riled by their responses i might just live under a rock for a few weeks
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well it does matter how he was born
i would like to be referred to as a tree spirit from hence forth.
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There was a different thread, a Hep Kat list I believe where some shit went down
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i don't really care if you're going to call him a woman from now on, but i'm still going to refer to him as a him
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There was a different thread, a Hep Kat list I believe where some shit went down
yeah it got deleted
i don't really care if you're going to call him a woman from now on, but i'm still going to refer to him as a him
Even after the change?
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yeah wanna fight about it?
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people who make comments like "i'm still going to refer to him as him, that's just my opinion", it really comes down to more than that- you can't take back something as hurtful as that and might not realise the impact of saying it yourself, but it's my experience that you can do a lot of damage in this exact situation by just not accepting someone has changed.
i mean not that she will give a shit what you think because you are emim on sputnikmusic and so will never come into contact, but still. general nice-guy code
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"ugh"
While from a technical standpoint, yeah Tom/Laura will still be a man because he'll still have a penis (just one turned inside out) and hormone injections and breasts won't help that, BUT this also isn't really the place to say your opinion on whether or not you think he'll be a girl or a boy or have a stupid debate. The point is he's doing what makes him happiest and his family and plenty of people support him and that's what counts.
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yeah wanna fight about it?
I only communicate by hugs
wanna hug about it?
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Gabe: I concur.
Also: Tom Gabel sex change? Did that not cross your mind to use as the title, you pea brain?
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i mean not that she will give a shit what you think because you are emim on sputnikmusic and so will never come into contact, but still. general nice-guy code
precisely
just as i am not going to give a shit
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this thread's actually been pretty positive but thank you for leaving your mark of protection here
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props to tom [2]
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Don't Lose Touch is a good song
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the only song I actually know by them is I Was A Teenage Anarchist and it's pretty catchy
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rosa thinks that he is the ambassador for the entire LGBT community.
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precisely
just as i am not going to give a shit
well okay but your comments have at the very least hurt me so sad face =(
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the voice of the gay community has spoken. we can all go home.
my deepest condolences to the LGBT community. sorry you have to put up with him.
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nice avatar hep kat.
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transgender people still weird me the fuck out. i don't understand LGBT. are they just grouped together because they are looking for the same equal rights or do they really consider it all one community
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oh god here comes rosa...
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oh well in that case my bad. shoulda just read through the thread first
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Doesnt affect my life but its still weird. Imagine just wanting to be a chick. Seriously what the fuck. Good for him/her though and all that stuff.
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"Imagine just wanting to be a chick. Seriously what the fuck."
it's not like he just woke up one day and decided to become a chick. i'm sure this has been weighing on him for years.
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look
going to skip over the transphobic nonsense that most likely fills this thread and leave a positive
comment for her. Fuck your "biologic gender norms"
have a nice day everyone
It's precisely these kinda presumptuous statements that actually irritate people into discrimination. No one was truly saying anything negative or hateful but you assume everyone has and stir up an issue out of it. It's exactly that that pisses people off and probably worsens the situations
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poopdick
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can't just assume that, community has gotten much nicer last few months imo
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"it's not like he just woke up one day and decided to become a chick. i'm sure this has been weighing on him for years."
I know that. But it fascinates me how people really go through with these procedures. I mean I understand gays/lesbians and what not but to actually believe you're the opposite sex? Crazy man.
So hes not gay, going to keep his member, and stay with his wife? So hes still gonna have sex with her as a female with a penis? Thats gotta be weird for his wife man lol. Wow.
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my deepest condolences to the LGBT community. sorry you have to put up with him.
thanks bro
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i was talking about rosa, bro.
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"you assume everyone has and stir up an issue out of it."
well it IS sputnik. the decency line is very unclear with you people
you literally didn't bother reading it at all
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'i was talking about rosa, bro.'
Well, I am part of the LGBT community so :]
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Let's not turn this into a Rosa-bashing thread for Tom's...err....Laura's sake.
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just as i am not going to give a shit
Yeah, you don't give a shit so much that you post on the article about not giving a shit. Really.
It really doesn't require much of you to call someone by their preferred gender pronoun, so to say something as childishly bullheaded as "I'm going to call him what I want!" just seems like a calculated attempt to be confrontational about it, that is, giving a shit.
Anyway, good on Laura and best of luck to her and her family.
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'i was talking about rosa, bro.'
Well, I am part of the LGBT community so :]
oh fuck my bad
goddamn i cannot tell you and andcas apart w those avatars
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because it's sputnik
never really seen it myself
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Yea my bad andcas said Jeffrey Star kept his member. I thought he meant this guy.
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emim i would say your disregard for people's preferences when it comes to how they want to be addressed will keep you from making the type of friends that are worth keeping, but i suppose the people you attract share your incredibly narrow, pathetic view of what makes a person's identity.
However I'm sure if you actually came across a transgender person in your life, you would not actually defy them in their request to be addressed as a female(not because you're a sensitive individual but because your attitude on the internet, the obvious demeanor you consciously perpetuate, is most likely a product of your being a bitch in real life). perhaps i'm wrong, but i'm sure many others get that same vibe from you.
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well okay but your comments have at the very least hurt me so sad face =(
my apologies, good sir.
emim i would say your disregard for people's preferences when it comes to how they want to be addressed will keep you from making the type of friends that are worth keeping, but i suppose the people you attract share your incredibly narrow, pathetic view of what makes a person's identity.
However I'm sure if you actually came across a transgender person in your life, you would not actually defy them in their request to be addressed as a female(not because you're a sensitive individual but because your attitude on the internet, the obvious demeanor you consciously perpetuate, is most likely a product of your being a bitch in real life). perhaps i'm wrong, but i'm sure many others get that same vibe from you.
full of lols.
Yeah, you don't give a shit so much that you post on the article about not giving a shit. Really.
because it takes so much effort to hit submit.
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come at me bro
keep thinking i'm totally serious
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As someone who listens to Against Me! and Tom Gabel albums everyday I was taken back. But as I read the article I started to smile. This is everything I have loved about the band, the songs, the lyrics, personified. Here is someone who is strong enough to stand in front of the world and follow through with their beliefs. Remember this is a music site, so with that in mind I am proud to be a fan and admirer of Tom's work and look forward to seeing how much of Laura was in the music I love and how much she will influence future projects.
As for the LGBT arguments developing I just want to say this - till you have walked in the shoes of those who can't spend a waking moment questioning their existence in some way, you can't understand the pain and torture you go through. The LGBT community asks for nothing but respect, the same respect other people believe is a god given right. People don't walk up to you in the street to threaten and disrespect you so why should you have the audacity to do it to another. Treat people like you wish to be treated.
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emim you fag stop ruining this thread
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Sean Bonnette put it best:
And people are impatient, they dont know how to wait.
And people are selfish, people are prone to hate.
But God I love some people sometimes, because people are the greatest thing to happen.
And People are people, regardless of skin.
And people are people, regardless of creed.
People are people regardless of gender, people are people regardless of anything.
And people are my religion, because I believe in them.
People are my enemies and people are my friends.
I have faith in my fellow man, and I only hope that he has faith in me.
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in all seriousness, good on him for doing what makes him happy. i do sincerely hope this makes him comfortable.
still using masculine pronouns though
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Why? Why must you stick so strong to something that isn't correct or to the wishes of those you are referring too?
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who's sean bonnette
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singer for andrew jackson jihad.
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some awesome words/lyrics/musings.
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sean bonnette is the person i wish you all were
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well that's just mean
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first time i heard andrew jackson jihad i fucking loved them and thought they were gonna be one of my favorite bands
they i realized that their music was too novelty and i never felt like listening to them.
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I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.
How does it feel being a fucking arsehole
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just bought tickets to see am! in grand rapids last month. should be interesting.
they i realized that their music was too novelty and i never felt like listening to them.
dumb
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Heads up, don't look at the thread on /mu/, I'm reading it right now and I want to take a knife to my eye sockets
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^
It's lame how much bullshit this story is getting.
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God, emim's a fucking idiot.
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i scoped out the /mu/ thread last night because i was feeling masochistic or something, but it was surprisingly civil/supportive. it's probably the dumb children who just got out of school doing the posting now.
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Someone is literally comparing being trans to having schizophrenia, that's how bad it is
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wait jw, who are ya'll claiming not to be civil? people who just don't support a transexual lifestyle or the people who refuse to acknowledge a transexual lifestyle?
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How about if you're not accepting of this you're a dick, end of
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both viewpoints are pretty dumb and borne of ignorance. most people who've actually met a trans person understand it's not difficult to treat them with a modicum of basic human decency and respect their wishes.
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still using masculine pronouns though
why are you being such a cunt and why do people on this site like you?
and yeah sean bonnette is basically a perfectly imperfect human
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Couldn't agree more Satellite. Some of my best friends are trans. I have known most of them before, during and after transition, and have never found it an issue to respect their wishes.
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How about if you're not accepting of this you're a dick, end of
i'm accepting of it.
he's an insecure pussy for doing this, but i'm accepting.
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you can still treat them with basic human decency and respect their wishes i.e. call them he/she whatever they want to be called and still think it's weird as shit that he used to be a she vice versa. are you saying basically everyone who isn't ready to accept transexuality as a completely normal thing is an ass?
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I saw something about this on twitter, and because it was from "@JadedPunkHulk" I figured it was a joke.
Either way, do what ever makes you happy eh?
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because it takes so much effort to hit submit.
Apparently, for you, just as much effort as it takes to be an asshole.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57431122-503544/obama-backs-same-sex-marriage/
whatta promising day 4 da lgbtwgkta community
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he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.
the tissues that make a penis and the tissues that make a vagina are literally the same exact thing. you're wrong.
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he's an insecure pussy for doing this, but i'm accepting.
lmao what
are you saying basically everyone who isn't ready to accept transexuality as a completely normal thing is an ass?
It should be seen as a normal thing. It shouldn't be a big deal, unfortunately it is because people are bigoted pricks
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it shouldn't be a big deal or even something that should be subject to other people's judgement, but don't see how it's just a normal thing in any sense of the word. you attack bigots but use the same tactics i.e. blanket statements that the normal bigot uses
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lmao y u h8in
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Heads up, don't look at the thread on /mu/
can't find it
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"normal" is just a word. i'd argue that a life of living with gender dysphoria is anything but a normal experience.
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sorry dag love you bruh
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werd. not trying to start any animosity titan and satellite. got called a gay basher earlier for saying that i still find sex change weird as shit so was just wondering where the line dividing a bigot/someone still uncomfortable with the issue was for ya'll sputnikers
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nah, you've been extremely civil jdennis. nothing wrong with anything you've said imo.
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can't find it
http://boards.4chan.org/mu/res/24786071
"normal" is just a word. i'd argue that a life of living with gender dysphoria is anything but a normal experience.
aye, but these issues shouldn't be treated with ANY form of hostility. Dude wants to be a chick, who are we to give a crap
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werd, sputnik helped me get over my homophobia when i first got on the site. writing your beliefs out usually helps you figure out why you believe/feel the way you do
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nvm found it
seems ok so far
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oh and now it's all gone to shit
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Right on
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told you
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Rosa would have a field day here
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also if you go on Punknews the first comment is "MORE LIKE TOM GAY-BEL"
That's so horrible and stupid, but I laughed.
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people saying being transgendered is a selfish thing to do
yep I'm out of there
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It's odd because I always thought his voice was distinctly masculine. I would kill for the gravelly sound his voice has. It'll be interesting to see how he approaches music after the surgery. I can't imagine the vocals will be even remotely similar. I'm all for people doing what they want and what makes them happy, but I can't help but have the reaction that it is very weird. Gender dysphoria never struck me as a genuine disorder. I viewed it the same way I view ADD. But who is to really say!? It could be that he is wired differently on a biological level. I certainly don't discredit it. I'm just skeptical of it. Regardless, good for him for at least being brave enough to admit it.
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did anyone actually read the article? he's doing hormone therapy and electrolisis treatments (hair removal). no sex change as far as surgical alteration was mentioned in the terms of it actually happening or being planned upon.
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Massive respect, this takes some balls. (no pun intended....)
I hope he'll be happy with his decision
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It was, like i said, not intended as a joke..
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I don't even know how to wrap my mind around this. I mean, fucking good for Tom/Laura to become who he is inside, but holy shit this is mind blowing.
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And as for that line in "The Ocean," shit, I thought that was figurative somehow.
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Is Laura DTF?
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also "Searching for a Former Clarity" and to a lesser extent "The Disco Before the Breakdown"
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CHICKS WITH DICKS I LOVE CHICKS WITH DICKS
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huh this is interesting
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dude the hormones are gonna change his voice and he's gonna start singing We Laugh at Danger in all high B's
which will be awesome
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Huh, this came out of nowhere. I support his decision, I just hope he is happy once it's complete. I prey that will still be able to sing Against Me! songs.
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shitty band but good luck to him
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And the facebook feeds begin..
Rejoice, all ye righteous punks, making sure everyone knows they support alternative lifestyles and decisions
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If Laura's voice ends up getting higher than Tom's because of the hormones, I need to hear some RAR style folk punk sung female style.
I feel like that would be awesome.
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way to steal laura's thunder, obama
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"comes out" is a little bit misleading as a title. gender dysphoria / transgender is not the same as being homosexual
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Whoa two pages
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I think coming out as transgender is even tougher than coming out as gay, so mad respect for her! I really hope Against Me! stays around, I wanna hear what that will be like.
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been waiting for this all day. lawrence arms frontman and friend of laura and heather offered his 2 cents on his blog....
"How about this: People love who they love and they feel about their bodies how they feel, and those two things don’t have any effect on each other. For example, if you’re really, really fat and gay, and suddenly you become really slim, odds are 100% that you’re still gonna be gay. This is the same thing. Right now, Tom is not happy being Tom. He wants to be Laura. It won’t change his brain. In his brain, he’s already Laura (and he’s always BEEN Laura), who is a woman who fell in love with and still loves Heather. There’s no brain shift. The body is just catching up to how the brain has always wished the body could be. I don’t know. I don’t want to speak out of school. I’ve never experienced gender dysphoria firsthand and I’m not pretending to be an expert, but I do love my friends and I know that those kids are two of my favorite souls in the world. Good question though. Don’t ever be afraid to ask questions. That’s how you learn shit, man."
http://www.badsandwichchronicles.net/2012/hmmmmm/#comments
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Someone is literally comparing being trans to having schizophrenia, that's how bad it is
It's kind of the same thing isn't it? You can't tell me wanting to be a girl when you're a guy or vice-versa is normal. It's a mental illness, it can be pretty debilitating to a lot of people. Lots of young kids mutilate their genitals because they hate themselves so much. So yeah they'd be correct for comparing it to a mental illness.
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i think it's pretty stupid to compare losing weight to getting a sex change. people act like its a competition to see who is the most politically correct. i for one am supportive of laura and wish her the best, but lets not get carried away.
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cool.
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people act like its a competition to see who is the most politically correct
supporting trans people and not hating everyone who isn't white isn't "politically correct," it's just not being a total shitbag.
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ok idk about that title change
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Title change is even more offputing, and misleading as hell.
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well i'll agree with you on the "not hating everyone who isn't white" part, but as far as the transgender part goes, you can't expect everybody to be completely comfortable with transgendered people. it doesn't make them complete shitbags just because they have more conservative views, you have to give these things time and realize that the entire world isn't made up of ultra socially progressive punk fans. i already said i was supportive of laura, but you have to consider that some people just aren't going to be comfortable with something like this, at least not yet. as long as they're not spewing hate at her, simply disagreeing with her choice does not make somebody a shitbag.
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lol yeah the title change is really weird.
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My cousin is transgender, he was extremely afraid to come out about it so I'm happy for this guy.
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cool.
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or Tom Gabel To Become Woman
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Or Tom Gabel: Once A Man, Now A Woman
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baby, i'm a woman
lol get it
no? ok =(
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That came out way left field for me.
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best of luck to this person
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IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT
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"IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT"
No...she just...
STOPPED
TOOK SOME TIME TO THINK
FIGURED OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO HER
AND MAAAAAAAAAADE A SERIOUS DECIIIIIIIISION
:-P
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Against Me!
is
Reinventing Gender Lines!
Oh that's not it, is it?
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yeah man this site changes lives. im more of an asshole now than i was when i joined
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It's kind of the same thing isn't it?
no
firstly they're completely different in their actual effect on the brain and even if it is a 'mental disease' that doesn't mean it's something horrible that needs purging, which is what some people there are claiming. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental disease too, so it all depends on how it's defined.
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most unexpected music news story of the year so far for me.
pretty brave move to publicly announce this. good for Tom/Laura
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Don't care, Against Me! stopped being good years ago.
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They havent had a GREAT album since SFAFC imo but they're not too bad and they still rule live
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Gender Dysmorphia? Are you seriously gonna make up a condition for people that have a mental problem and need help from a psychiatrist. Its called growing up without a father, having horrible parents, always being around women, being sexually molested, being around homos, or just plain crazy. Use some of your doctor mumbo jumbo names for one of those but making up conditions for homos when there is no absolute scientific proof that says they are born with anything. Any proof you put up there I gaurantee that there is another study that can prove it as wrong.
ugh ugh ugh
and that's getting mostly upvoted
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this thread makes my day
never really been sure what to think about this type of thing and not sure that I ever will be sure what to think.
regardless, props for doing what makes him happy. if he honestly feels it's right for him, then no one should tell him differently.
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The fall of man continues.
I mean, how old is this guy? He is clearly able to survive just fine as a man. But no. He's gotta ruin his children's lives because he isn't content with his own. The poor guy didn't get to decide his race, gender and location before being born. Aw. I guess he was finally able to earn enough money with his awful music that he can now buy himself a new gender and make his dreams come true. What a twisted world this is.
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You really didn't have to edit in the "lol", andcas. Did you think I'd take you seriously? Come on, man.
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'I Was a Teenage Anarchist' IS freaking catchy, never heard of AM before, wow
kudos to people on this thread generally being awesome about this. An F to M I know told me he wouldn't wish this condition on anyone.
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"lol if I ever run into you in real life I will seriously fuck you up aso."
i believe it was hawks who said something similar to me once
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hawks threatened us all
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i haven't been the same person since
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all right guys let's ignore the umbrella
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The fall of man continues.
lol, people still say shit like this in 2012? Yea what a twisted world we do live in. When someone actually has to courage to come out and be themselves people like you have the nerve to frame it as if Laura doesn't actually give a shit about her own kids.
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"When someone actually has to courage to come out and be themselves"
"courage to come out and be themselves"
"come out and be themselves"
"be themselves"
(I've always wanted to do this. Was it ok?)
Lol. Right. That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.
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lol keep doin your thing man
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hahahahah wow
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That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.
The sheer ignorance of that statement is mind boggling. You couldn't even take the time to even read the tiny article. Do you even know what gender means? I suppose you deny evolution and climate change too.
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lol @ the self-appointed guardians of transgender people
"I suppose you deny evolution and climate change too."
stereotyping is easy on both sides
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Gender is a spectrum and we live in a time where one can alter their body so that their perceived sex is more congruent with their identified gender. Thus, one can greatly reduce the internal turmoil that must come with feeling that you are in the wrong body. Deal with it.
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Shut the fuck up asotamaki. Fix your fucking head and realise the shit these people go through before spouting ignorant crap.
Give it 100 years and people will look back on this in the same way we look back on racism now.
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stereotyping is easy on both sides
It is easy when you don't know shit about anything. Men and women have physically different brain structures and people that are transgender actually have the opposite gender as their birth sex. Saying she's "becoming someone else" is a non sequitur.
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lol @ idnuf standing up for someone who is pro-discrimination.
I'm not standing up for him, I find his views as repugnant as everyone else in the thread does. I'm standing up against generalizations. The "pro-discrimination" people demonize transgender people and can make untrue assumptions about them. The "anti-discrimination" people can demonize the "pro-discrimination" people and can make untrue assumptions about them. Obviously I find one of these situations much more offensive than the other (b/c those discriminated against are discriminated against for reasons often out of their control), but it doesn't make such generalizations appropriate in any situation.
The reaction to this news should have been apathy. Exalting Tom Gabel for "being himself" is useless. He's not superior because he has a different gender identity.
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It is easy when you don't shit about anything.
I actually have no clue what you're trying to say
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@andcas Ok sure, I mean I was responding to Marise in the first place, I never said you were the one making the generalizations
And are you making these judgments of AsoTamaki because of this thread only? The other posts I've seen from him generally criticize the musical taste of people like you who hate pop artists for no reason. idk I feel like that might be the source of a lot of your animosity. You can't seriously tell me you haven't seen more extreme bigotry on the internet before? It's hardly shocking.
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oh there he is andcas, master of edits. are the things he says vile or not? lol
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By being so apathetic, you're really defending him here, you're tacitly endorsing the behavior. Why should I treat bigotry with the same sort of consideration as a rational justification. And...
I actually have no clue what you're trying to say
yea w/e I accidently a whole word, as if that was the point I was making anyway... edited
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But andcas. They are just my opinions. Relax. We're an open minded community here at Sputnik.
Haha, master of edits. Seriously, I'd hate to see the guy try to talk irl.
Lol. Let's see here...
AsoTamaki:
That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.
Marise:
The sheer ignorance of that statement is mind boggling. You couldn't even take the time to even read the tiny article.
Article:
Tom Gabel will undergo sexual re-assignment surgery to become Laura Jane Grace.
Pretty sure I read the article, pal. It's clear that English isn't your first language so I won't insult you or anything. Perhaps you aren't understanding the article. Read it again. Google translate could help also.
"Give it 100 years and people will look back on this in the same way we look back on racism now. "
That's a really stupid comment, but nonetheless. Tell me more, O Great Soothsayer. Will we have whites having surgery to become blacks as well?
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The reaction to this news should have been apathy. Exalting Tom Gabel for "being himself" is useless. He's not superior because he has a different gender identity.
Of course he's not superior for that. He is, however, openly taking steps in the pursuit of happiness that will no doubt, as a public figure, bring with it huge conflict and scrutiny. In our current (still maturing) society, that bravery is to be admired.
I do agree that generalisations should be opposed though, regardless of stance.
EDIT: Also Aso is a complete cunt so let's just ignore him.
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It's kind of the same thing isn't it?
no
firstly they're completely different in their actual effect on the brain and even if it is a 'mental disease' that doesn't mean it's something horrible that needs purging, which is what some people there are claiming. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental disease too, so it all depends on how it's defined.
Just because it has the word illness doesn't mean they need to be cured or it's a bad thing.
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@aso Yea, you see the link up there that says rolling stone, you know the one where they interview the person in question, yea ctrl+f "surgery" 0 results. If you're going to insult someone's intelligence you better be fucking right.
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Except that's not the point at all. She's allowing herself to be a figurehead of something that's still very controversial to many, and is willing to take the negatives that come with coming out in order to raise awareness. I'm pretty sure that's something to be respected.
Yeah, that's completely fair. Indeed, good for her. I suppose I didn't measure my words correctly. Raising awareness for an ongoing issue is certainly noble. The feeling I got from the responses in this thread is that simply being transgender is something positive. She's being congratulated on coming out and "being herself". Yeah, being yourself is wonderful, but not something unique to her. Utilizing her position in the music world to make a statement is admirable, I wouldn't deny that.
By being so apathetic, you're really defending him here, you're tacitly endorsing the behavior. Why should I treat bigotry with the same sort of consideration as a rational justification.
No I'm not. I'm not endorsing shit. I'm viscerally disgusted by bigotry in a way that seems excessive when I talk about it with people in real life. I'm just tired of seeing the same defense of any LGBT person on the internet, and compliments being thrown on people just for being born different. It doesn't deserve compliment nor insult. Also, the me vs them mentality is obnoxious because it allows people who are on the right side to engage in the same ignorant behavior that the people they criticize engage in. It's like the mentality that seems to be shared by many democrats where all republicans are the same stupid, dedicated Christian. It's lazy. That's all.
who is the one assuming now? blah blah blah
I'm actually not assuming anything. I proposed a possible reason for some animosity without full knowledge of your interactions, by no means did I say it was definitely the reason. Now I know. He deserves criticism then, but don't be so hyperbolic and short-sighted with it.
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once again, whoever wrote this news post didn't read the fucking article. he is not going through with gender reassignment surgery. he is starting hormone therapy. there's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge fucking difference. read the fucking original story for christ's sake.
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you're all idiots.
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no u
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Alright, so he's undergoing hormone therapy first before deciding if he has the "courage" to go all the way and have the surgery. That is a big difference, I suppose.
you've shown yourself as a deplorable racist That's a new one. Good to see that you're branching out with your fiction.
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you're all fucking idiots
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no u
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They haven't been good in a while, so I don't really care too much. Good for him, though.
"you're all idiots."
Self-serving bias. Hi, Aids. 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odYyQsXgODc
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No one would feel the need to come out and support Laura if people like Aso didin't exist. Yes, in an ideal world, this wouldn't even be news. No one is trying to put the LGBT community on a pedestal. There's difference between between special privilege and having the right to not be subjugated to hatred. If anything that's what I'm saying, she was born the wrong sex, what's the big deal?
It's lazy. That's all.
Yea, it is a shortcut. But you can't reason with these people. Explaining the differences between sex and gender and how people that are transgender actually have a different brain structure than their birth sex is a waste of time. You can only shame them. Make it clear that their bigotry is not welcome here.
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Tell me more, O
Great Soothsayer. Will we have
whites having surgery to become
blacks as well?
MJ's way ahead of you bro.
But once again, complete idiocy. The brain can fundamentally be assigned (excuse my shit scientific explanations but you get the idea) to either gender and sometimes there's a mismatch. How the fuck is that anything like what you suggest and how is it relevant anyway?
Get educated before making moronic suggestions that this is anything like a vain or selfish choice, or assume he lived fine before cos that's plainly not true.
Ruin his children's lives? Seriously? At worst, the worst they'll get is having to live with their father getting constant shit from people like you.
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Don't know why I even bother
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Triple post, ugh, hate this thing
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Wow what a fag.
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Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?
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^lol
EDIT: that was referring to virfortis. its funny no matter who he was referring to
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"Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn676-fLq7I&ob=av2e
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Aso, I just have one question: why does this bother you so much? If possible, answer this without invoking religion, that you think it's weird, or using straw man arguments. I'm just trying to get a handle on a thought process here.
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@redsky
He is what he was born as and there is nothing wrong with him. There is no need for any medical procedures. All of this body manipulation to cater to the whims of the malcontents is ridiculous. If anything, his case should prove that people with these supposed gender disorders can still lead successful lives, create families, etc.
@Fish:
Oh, an MJ joke. Real funny. How is racism anything like me not being in favor of men transforming into women? You're the one who brought that up, you nimrod.
excuse my shit scientific explanations but you get the idea No, I don't get it. I'm far too moronic for that. Please explain to me the fundamental differences in the brains of a 31 year old man and a 31 year old woman.
assume he lived fine before cos that's plainly not true. Yeah, bro. How did he make it through? Poor guy was in such pain that he spent his life fronting a successful rock band, marrying a beautiful (?) woman and fathering her child. Talk about harsh.
At worst, the worst they'll get is having to live with their father getting constant shit from people like you. Father? Wait. Laura is a woman. Right?
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Aso, you're a dick. Show some sympathy towards another human being. It might get you somewhere.
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I've always had a crush on Tom Gabel, now I don't have to feel like a fag when I masturbate to her voice
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I love how you just speak about other people as if you'd even begin to have a fucking clue as to what goes on inside their head. the blinded egotism you possess caters to your delusional opinion that only your snarky outlook on human behavior is the true be all-end all. your ignorance is baffling and your points so moronically entitled that I'm not even shocked anymore that you reallyy buy your own bullshit. you think everything you can't intellectually grasp and goes against your believes is evil and at you're most hilarious peak of retardation, make believe. then again that's how your little religion treats everything that comes and challenges your fundamental teachings. the only thing you're capable of doing is shutting off, ignoring the facts, and if something doesn't gel with you then it's to be done away with as not natural. your little crusade is futile aso, these people aren't going to go away and are not sick so I really don't know why you carry on because you're wasting your time. On top of that you’re making yourself look like a complete and utter waste of life who refuses to realize what year you’re in. the most pathetic thing is you seek out these threads daily obsessing over other people's lifestyles, which says more about you than anyone ever could imagine. Grow the fuck up and get the fuck over it or else you’re gonna have one hell of a time dealing with society. [2]
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what they said
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I'm with andcas. Fuckwits like AsoTamaki need calling out on the ignorant, blindfolded bullshit they peddle.
But I also revel in the fact that, hey, Aso, guess what? YOU'RE LOSING. And you're never going to turn it around. So fuck you, but at the same time: LOL.
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lol'd hard at all the sexy avatars.
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i don't particularly care for Against Me!
prefer limp biz tbqh
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I like cone's pic too.
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lol.
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@Recspecs: Thanks for making andcas' comment readable. You are a worthy sidekick.
@andcas: wah wah wah
@Knott: Lol? Losing at what? The ideas expressed in these dark corners of the internet don't represent reality, in case you didn't know. This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.
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Wow what a fag.
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"Thanks for making andcas' comment readable. You are a worthy sidekick."
If I'm anybody's sidekick I'm the sidekick of justice and freedom and love. If you are going to be an ignorant asshat, be an ignorant asshat. Don't expect any of us who aren't as close-minded as you to conform to your ridiculous belief system.
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This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.
Just stop. You're so far beyond ignorant. Just accept the fact that you don't know shit about being transgender and you're just prejudice asshole.
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This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.
Call me crazy but I get a strange feeling that her friends and family that don't let things like transgender people get to them will treat her like a woman. You know, like any decent person would. And seeing how her music and the genre in which it's in is largely based off of sympathetic feelings towards people who go against the grain and solidarity in the face of aversion, she probably has a lot of those friends.
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He lives two or so hours away from me it wouldn't be a problem for me to show him some justice.
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did not expect this
hope it works out for him, he's a fantastic vocalist
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i dont really care about this anymore.
i have over 1,100 playstation trophies.
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also holy fuck @ some of the posts here
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He needs to go to a Tegan and Sara show.
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swag
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Still wrapping my head around all this. AM! being one of my close favorite bands for years, the news
was just puzzling to me, just unexpected shock, and I guess mainly its because its just so
unrelatable to me (as in I cannot even begin to comprehend what he must have felt before). But this
is clearly something that's been with him for years, and to finally come out and do this I have
nothing but support. And I don't understand how people can get bent of out shape because of it. I
mean,what does another persons personal choice for happiness have to do with you? I don't think
everything is so black and white, and just because you don't understand it it doesn't mean it should
be condemned. I dunno, that's just my feelings about it. All the best to Tom/Laura.
ugh editing it fucked up the format..
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Yeah but when Tegan and Sara start scissorfucking on stage it will change his opinion on the LGBT community.
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Tegan and Sara are cool. "Walking with a Ghost" used to be the jam.
@WeepingBanana: I meant by the general population. Friends and family are different.
Lol. Tough guy andcas strikes again. Well, you're not really saying anything that's worth responding to. It's just your typical rant against religion mixed with some exaggerations and your usual hypocrisy. So that's all I have for you.
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Wow, man. What a great comeback.
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"I meant by the general population. Friends and family are different."
I'm pretty sure the general population of America is accepting of most of the LGBT community. Rural Georgia does not account for the general population of America.
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Are we in middle school, comebacks?
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That doesn't even make sense, andcas.
Haha, rural Georgia. I live in the suburbs, tyvm. Being "accepting" is different from what I'm talking about. I'm not saying people are going to stone this guy to death or anything. They will treat him as a human being. I'm saying that in their minds, they aren't really going to consider him as a woman.
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"comes out" is a little bit misleading as a title. gender dysphoria / transgender is not the same as being homosexual
it's pretty hard to tastefully word a news article title that only allots you 50 characters. I've tried with this. "Tom Gabel is transgender" sounds weird as a news title.
This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.
That's pretty awful of you to say. Just because you don't want to identify her was what she feels best identified by doesn't mean no one else will. And if you're talking about the general public, AM! is a punk band far as I'm concern. LGBT and feminism runs pretty big in that community, so I'm pretty sure their most immediate audience will be accepting of it.
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Why are you so obsessed with homosexuals, andcas? Seriously.
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lol people are really sticking up for this enormous pussy
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and in comes our site's resident retard, right on cue
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I'm obsessed with ridding one less person like you from my sight.
Lol.
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I just think we can't judge these people since we've never been in their shoes
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yo guys i've been really edgy all my life
even tho my posts are fucking stupid and no matter what i do to try and change that fact they will always prove my worthlessness
fucking intolerance, man
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Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.
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yo guys I've been a woman all my life
even tho my DNA says I'm a man and no matter what I do to try and change that fact it will always say I'm a man
fucking gender dysphoria, man
biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.
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A dude somewhere out there in the world has an internal conflict. Arguing if we should be supportive or non-supportive comes unwarranted with a need to inject yourself in any situation you hear about. We all know he will do what he will as a human making a decision for himself. What the hell is there to talk about?
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biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.
Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.
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biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.
Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.
it's like talking to a fucking wall...
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Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance
do you even think before you post
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everyone needs to chill out, nobody is going to change anybody's opinion on transgender issues by arguing on sputnik.
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Well there's two insults in a row where you've said absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. And I'm the wall? Get the fuck out of here.
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Really don't see how this is getting such a divisive response. You'd think anyone would be supportive of someone wanting to take the necessary steps to try and make their life happier
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Just out of curiosity though, how old is her kid?
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If someone wanted to cut one of their arms off to be 'happier' would you support it?
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Well there's two insults in a row where you've said absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. And I'm the wall? Get the fuck out of here.
you're incapable of cohesively linking two thoughts together and thus incapable of formulating an appropriate response to the facts put forward to you. the only difference between you and a wall is that a wall provides me with something to bash my head against while talking to pathetic bigots like you, giving it some use and purpose.
wall 1
someguest 0
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another fucking insult with no backing
jesus fucking christ I hope you die tonight
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If someone wanted to cut one of their arms off to be 'happier' would you support it?
Ain't you seen 127 Hours? Pretty sure anyone who would have that thought running through their mind is more than likely mentally unbalanced
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someguest is raging everybody look out
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2
I could just imagine what might eventuate if the kid was any older. Not in terms of the bullying he'd more than likely be subjected to at school, but just trying to process the entire situation on an emotional level
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jesus christ this thread is still at it?
damn. you fags really do get defensive at times lol
everyone needs to chill out, nobody is going to change anybody's opinion on transgender issues by arguing on sputnik.
thisthisthisthisthis
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while weepingbanana fully supports transgender individuals, he's against:
indoor plumbing
the scientific method
bowel movements
walls
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while weepingbanana fully supports transgender individuals, he's against:
indoor plumbing
the scientific method
bowel movements
walls
you're literally making no sense.
go be a troglodyte somewhere else
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I hope the best for her, this is not an easy choice.
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troglodyte
oh snap
yeah he used a FUCKING THESAURUS to find that
bitch got TOLD
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well you're shitting all over this thread, but you're not enjoying or feeling relieved
you completely ignore the science of the issue, using nurture as your argument. if the subject was about orientation, you'd be using the nature argument. it shows you're a fucking hypocrite.
and I don't know you fascination with walls, they must be your first cousins or something.
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and yeah I would go look up a word too but to be frank I couldn't give a fuck less, and I'll just kindly add you to the billions of people I hope something or someone strikes dead in an instant
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probably since her bulge is so insignificant
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you completely ignore the science of the issue, using nurture as your argument. if the subject was about orientation, you'd be using the nature argument. it shows you're a fucking hypocrite.
i'm not denying that she is biologically a man. i'm saying biology and biology alone does not decide gender. gender is a social construction, sex is not. that's why she's transGENDER. accepting the scientific method and having the slightest grasp on sociology are not mutually exclusive
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"I could just imagine what might eventuate if the kid was any older. Not in terms of the bullying he'd more than likely be subjected to at school, but just trying to process the entire situation on an emotional level"
I feel the same way. I support the idea of people being with who they want and getting all the same benefits and stuff, but the second a child enters the picture it all becomes very complicated.
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I mean 2 isn't so bad, but you are putting that child into a very complicated yet extremely delicate situation. It is unfair on the child, no matter how you try and swing it
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Anyways, I'll sum up my thoughts here:
Sputnik is full of lowlife closeminded degenerates and she deserves all the support she can get with the growing rate of LGBT related suicides. I'm an asshole 99% of the time, but this is serious and you pricks can fuck off to the Rest thread if you feel like being a dickchugger.
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wow look at that a guy sticking up for LGBT while using a homophobic insult
incredible
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Dickchugger isn't a homophobic insult.
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another retard lol
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lol yes it is. i doubt you were saying it as a compliment.
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wow look at that a guy sticking up for LGBT while using a homophobic insult
incredible
who cares??
do gays even get offended at insults like that anymore??
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Fuck it I'm gonna jam post-rock and drink some orange soda.
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'who cares' wasn't the point
he can't even connect two sentences in a row together since he switches viewpoints in the span of about fifty words
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I might even clean out my iTunes while I'm at it.
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Ah mangasm.
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But will he be hot as a woman?
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dickchugger isn't necessarily homophobic given that it's an insult to a sexual act rather than someone's sexuality. It could imply a female, male or anyone in between. js. It's still a dumb way of lashing out on someone, but so is calling someone a pussy or a retard. If we're being pc about it dickchugger is more like slut-bashing, which flies in the face of feminism, not lgbt, calling someone a pussy is sexist, and calling guest a retard is an insult to kids with special needs.
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yeah because he intended that insult for the huge population of women on sputnik
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I intended it for those idiots jerking each other off in that Rest thread.
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so circle jerkers are idiots now huh
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this thread made me lose and regain my hope for humanity several times.
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"so circle jerkers are idiots now huh"
Yeah, definitely trolling.
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like that's not your entire purpose on this site. fuck off with your "i'm a defender of peace and love" bullshit when you're the biggest cunt on the site.
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Yeah.
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"like that's not your entire purpose on this site. fuck off with your "i'm a defender of peace and love" bullshit when you're the biggest cunt on the site."
Lol far from it, but okay.
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it's not funny anymore, you've crossed the line from troll to creepy internet stalker.
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lol
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like no joke, you're fucking weirding me out. just please drop the whole thing.
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trebor i actually like you, but please just stay out of this.
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You're OK with me bro
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without reading any of it, just by looking at the exchange, i'm going to [123] everything someguest has sed
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rec probably gets free subsidized internet from the government
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i don't know what your deal with me is, but i'm asking you nicely to please just leave me alone. you're making me legitimately uncomfortable.
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"rec probably gets free subsidized internet from the government"
You're right, how did you know?
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well you're black
i put two and two together
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saying "i'm asking you nicely" on sputnik is really asking for something else and you fucking know what that is by 1990 comments so shut the fuck up
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this is none of your business bro, but thanks for your opinion. i'll be sure to come to you if i need anymore assistance.
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hahaha
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where was my opinion
but true, none of my business. not even sure who you were talking to.
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stay the fuck up out my biznass
y'all niggaz all up in my shit and it's my biz nass my biz nass, stay the fuck up out my biznass
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cuz its mine oh miiiiiiiiiiiiine
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o no, fights out
about to punch your lights out
get the fuck back, guard your grill
somethin' wrong, we can't stand still
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woah this thread got dark
pretty soon someguest is gonna start hating it
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That any good Andcas? meant to be catching that over the weekend
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i was hoping burton and depp would collab someday
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wait are you guys serious
like you thought the avengers looked like a cashgrab but you think dark shadows looks good
wtf
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i've heard dark shadows is terribad and i don't doubt it because depp and burton are the absolute worst
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yeah seriously^
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when i hear 'new tim burton movie' it's the film equivalent of 'new sum 41 album'
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bloody murder we will scream
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ed wood was like 20 years ago man. everything else has sucked shit.
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cas u must be into some dark hot topic shit dude #pain
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celebrities enact fictionalized tales
how can my boring life compete?
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i thought about the drugs
how i thought they fixed my brain
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goddam shuffle is treating me so good tonight
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This thread is genious.
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it was deliciously fun and I highly recommend seeing it asap deviant.
Sweet. Burton and Depp are essentially just making variations on the same film at this point but they're entertaining. Plus Eva Green makes me purr
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Punk singer/Songwriter and Against Me! frontman Tom Gabel will undergo sexual re-assignment treatment to become Eva Green.
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I just got back from a midnight showing of dark shadows
deviant beat me to it but I might see it just cos of eva green. love her.
not even gonna respond to asotamaki. worthless cunt.
someguest, just cos it's a mental illness, it's not something that can be cured or should be cured in the way other ones are. I don't even know if it's possible to fundamentally change the brain structure or suppress it, but why go down that route if this is the one that will make them happy?
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Yeah, but she'll never top The Dreamers
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I am indifferent to Marilyn Manson's father
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ot but i can't remember a news thread ever having more comments than this has
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So it is worth seeing yeah?
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god im seriously bewildered
like i thought this was going to be a 'don't see this movie because id rather you pirate it and not support it so stuff like this stops happening' thing
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Oh, hey. Fish is faced with the reality of having to think a little and make a post where pitiful jokes won't suffice so he chooses to sidestep the challenge. Surprise, surprise.
Yet you're still trying to bring up these "fundamentals" and brain structures when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing.
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We're still talking about this?
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nope now they're talking about shitty movies
go figure
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I don't know what irritates me more, bigoted conservative assholes like Aso or white knight liberal assholes like Andcas.
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Yet you're still trying to bring up these "fundamentals" and brain structures when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing.
(This should be good) Educate me then.
Cos it's pretty obvious you've just jumped straight for the bigoted assumptions. Do you actually know how these people live?
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God, emim's a fucking idiot.
why are you being such a cunt and why do people on this site like you?
Apparently, for you, just as much effort as it takes to be an asshole.
ha
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someone's def mad bro
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Lol, Fish. Are you serious, bro? My previous post asked you to explain these fundamental differences in the brains of adult men and women. Even though you supposedly know what you're talking about, you declined to elaborate. Now, you decide to turn it around and play the "no u first" card in hopes that you can keep up the act a little longer. Weak.
Whatever. Just keep on tossing out those buzzwords like "bigot" and "homophobe" as if they can deflect attention from the truth and help conceal the fact that you are a dunce. Good luck with that. No need to respond to this one. I'm letting you off the hook.
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For someone who's so sure of themselves I'd have thought you'd be fucked enough to do your own
research but I guess that just shows how fucking stupid you are.
Read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism#Biological-based_theories
And don't even try claiming it's unreliable because it's wikipedia because there're citations all over
it
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Lol, a man wants to be a woman, this does not concern anyone in any way, shape or form other than his close friends and family...
Why is this still being discussed...
As much as I don't understand transpeople, I don't see how anyone would actually give a fuck about this.
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"Lol, a man wants to be a woman, this does not concern anyone in any way, shape or form other than his
close friends and family...
Why is this still being discussed...
As much as I don't understand transpeople, I don't see how anyone would actually give a fuck about
this."
maybe its something to do with him being in a band people here (used to) like
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/////????/
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"maybe its something to do with him being in a band people here (used to) like
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/////????"
lol, because suddenly he's a woman this changes everything about the music he made
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Well, people were talking about understanding certain lyrics better now or whatever.
@Fish:
Oh cool. You were able to google it successfully enough to find a wikipedia article. You're smarter than I gave you credit for. My apologies.
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That's valid, but a generally kind of neutral effect. Shouldn't make the lyrics better or worse than they already wore, should it?
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@Fish:
Oh cool. You were able to google it successfully enough to find a wikipedia article. You're smarter than I gave you credit for. My apologies.
Obviously smarter than you if you couldn't find it yourself.
What do you have to say to it?
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@balcaen
I'd say it makes them better because they make more sense.
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Okay, not much of a point for further discussion there, though.
I mean, this isn't much of a shock. Look at the lyrics to "The Ocean":
"And if I could have chosen, I would have been born a woman / My mother once told me she would have named me Laura / I'd grow up to be strong and beautiful like her."
I MEAN GODFUCKINGDAMMIT IT'S RIGHT THERE
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Pathetic thread. Also, how many of you actually read the damn article?
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And people wonder why the old users hate the new users...
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Whoa, Gyro? I thought you ragequit for good in that last thread a few weeks ago. Nice to see you back. Lol.
@Fish: I've got nothing "to say to it." The issue was whether or not you knew what you were talking about. It's now been proven that you didn't.
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Aso shut the fuck up.
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@Fish: I've got nothing "to say to it." The issue was whether or not you knew what you were
talking about. It's now been proven that you didn't.
what the fuck, I just fucking showed you I do and that you're full of bigoted shit. That's the
issue
you are the biggest cunt I've ever known on this site
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Don't respond to him any more Anarchist so he will have nothing else to say.
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No I want to run this piece of shit into the ground
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I'm pretty sure the thread is over, Fish. Just accept your loss and move on with your day.
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Are you fucked in the head? How the hell have I lost in any way? You made an ignorant and cuntish statement and you're refusing to accept that even when I've just showed you exactly why.
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Both of you kids stop before I call your parents!
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http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/image.php?u=703351&dateline=1336770812
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please stop bumping this dumb crap
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lol, because suddenly he's a woman this changes everything about the music he made
well if he was a rapper it'd probably be more of a big deal
BITCHES ON MY DICK
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eww john's back
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only coz balc posted itt [2]
This is truth.
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So I found three simple chords and held them together with my weird voice on an out of tune guitar my father gave to me.
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then you found your hidden
asset
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that shit cray
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Am I the only one who thinks the band picture is absolutely perfect for the title?
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I don't care what you say, I hear "weird" and I've been hearing "weird" for an eternity. NOTHING CAN CHANGE ME!
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Why is this still an issue?
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This article made me relisten to their discography for the first time in years and I'm surprised how good some of this still is. The Eternal Cowboy is definitely my favorite full length of theirs. Acoustic EP and Crime being their best works overall.
I'd probably fuck Tom and Laura. No homo though.
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Was very surprised by this.
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holy crap this is a long thread.
exposing idiots for almost two weeks. m/
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The new Against Me! album will be called "Transgender Dysphoria Blues,”
And i am not even joking
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Wow, how difficult would it be for his wife and kids to accept this.
But I'm glad he's made this decision instead of living the rest of his life suffering. I hope all the best for them.
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just listened to the song owan. it was quite good
BUT THEY JSUT SEE A FAGGOT
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yo wife
i'ma be yo wife
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username: owantjaaaa
the song is "trasnsgender dysphoria blues"
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and ya, i'm happy her voice sounds like tom gabel on that song
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yo wife
imma be yo wife
Lol.
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all right spec liked my comment
self esteem just took off
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Fuck.
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read the rolling stone article the other day. never would have imagined tom went through such dark times.
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