Oh hell yeah

Underoath vs. A7X:
Whoever wins...we laugh.

Oh the irony

Real christians only use their christian name

yessss, I love it when musicians start rifts between musical peers by being outspoken over such trivial matters as gimmicks which only serve to fuel the rage of internet fanboys much to the annoyance of everyone else who has to put up with a flame war consisting solely of users who signed up at the reading of this article to defend the honour of ronnie radke and synyster gates and will never again return to sputnikmusic.com

They should start recording diss tracks a la 50 Cent/Rick Ross

"yessss, I love it when musicians start rifts between musical peers by being outspoken over such trivial matters as gimmicks which only serve to fuel the rage of internet fanboys much to the annoyance of everyone else who has to put up with a flame war consisting solely of users who signed up at the reading of this article to defend the honour of ronnie radke and synyster gates and will never again return to sputnikmusic.com"

underoath > avenged sevenfold so hard

both suck ass but a7x sucks more

Real christians only use their christian name

awesome.

In my experience Underoath are about 0.5% better than A7X but I haven't heard the newest Underoath properly yet.

define the great line destroys anything avenged sevenfold have done


This Message Edited On 04.23.09

underoath ftw

He makes a good point.
But i say they have a cage match

2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!
2 BANDS ENTER, ONE WILL LEAVE!

or the surviving members of both teams leave. Or none shall leave at all..............

avenged did hav one really good album, while underoath is still searching...

willfellmarsy eeurgh

Underoath's last two albums rule really fucking hard.

/thread

^agreed
the new A7X album doesnt compare to any of Underoaths work. and Aaron Gillespie can drum the shit out of The Rev (lol at the gay name)

Hell ya! Not that i like these guys either, but a7x are way too cocky for their own good. If you call yourself Synister Gates, Satan himself better rise from the earth when you play.

Underoath putting down the rubber hammer.

Underoath vs. A7X:
Whoever wins...we laugh.

lol I haven't heard someone referred to as a "poseur" since the 7th grade.


What a douche.

It was a dumb comment, but come on, even Aaron Gillespie's side project The Almost is better than Avenged Sevenfold.

talking of gimmicks, aren't underoath christian...?

I agree that the names in A7X are pretty damn funny, but I like the music.

BAHAHAHA!

but seriously, the fake name thing kind of has a point.

I mean Tim's pretty much right but I'm sure a bunch of 15 year old "metal heads" are going to respond with "but a7x haz teh shredz!!!" or something to that effect...

talking of gimmicks, aren't underoath christian...?

Well Tim saying A7X can't play is just wrong. Makeup and such is spot on. Needs more bashing ETF though.

cat fight.

waking the fallen > define the great line

everything else is filler.

f*ck this thread and its mother

underoath >

I think the whole "a7x can't play thing" boils down to the technicality vs. musicality argument. What he's basically saying is they just focus on playing the crap out of their instruments rather than creating something musical.

Even tho I like both. And Even if Underoath>A7X. I was wondering when the newer age band beefs would begin but this caught me by suprise, let the a7x and UO mixtapes be released.

I think Waking the Fallen makes AX7 the better band. Underoath does not have an album of that quality..

Except for Define the Great Line, Lost in the Sound of Separation, and The Changing of Times.

Define the Great Line and Waking the Fallen are both fantastic. Fuck Underoath for this though, completely unwarranted and in poor taste imo.

Lost in the Sound of Separation means UO wins

both bands are gimmicks way to be a true christian tim!

anyone who rly prefers avenged sevenfold needs shooting

Underoath calling other bands poseurs...that's a laugh.

So did Ax7 say anything to them first? If not, this statement screams "we are ridiculously jealous of Avenged Sevenfold". Or maybe it screams, "I wish I could play guitar like Gates instead of the crap I 'played' on my last album".

Either way, this just makes Underoath look like pissy little b!tches.

Underoath's last two albums rule really fucking hard.

lol you are getting way too offended about a better band slating a worse band

"I wish I could play guitar like Gates instead of the crap I 'played' on my last album".

it's so ironic to see that christian band is criticizing a sell-out band for not being 'rock and roll'
... it's hard to think of anything LESS rock and roll than being both "christian" and "hardcore"

gay bums!

lol you are getting way too offended about a better band slating a worse band

gates isn't that good, have you seen him live

no they suck shit

As somebody who has learned music from both bands, UO's stuff is way more interesting to play. Just sitting around going "omg scales" gets really old really fast.

Nah, Sound of Seperation is pretty shit. true story.

So did Ax7 say anything to them first? If not, this statement screams "we are ridiculously jealous of Avenged Sevenfold".

As somebody who has learned music from both bands, UO's stuff is way more interesting to play. Just sitting around going "omg scales" gets really old really fast.

It was probably alluded to in the actual interview article, I wouldn't imagine it to be random bashing.

tim talks a lot about hating trendy scene stuff, he just doesn't usually call out specific bands like this. probably a bit uncalled for

If you listen to the whole freaking interview the guy from Metal Hammer leads him up to that comment by talking about how ridiculous thrash metal is and how that style of music was cool thirty years ago. He basically riles him up for a good 6 or 7 minutes before a7x comes up in the interview.

He actually admits that bands like Dragonforce, a7x, and Metallica could play circles around everybody in UO but they can't write good songs. So the quote is off in the "they can't play" he actually says they can play but they can't write.

ROFL wheres this guy get the ego? underoarth is another shitty metalcore band who should GTFO

He actually admits that bands like Dragonforce, a7x, and Metallica could play circles around everybody in UO but they can't write good songs. So the quote is off in the "they can't play" he actually says they can play but they can't write.

thread sucks.

Underoath > A7X tho

KILL please stfu you got boring about 1000 comments ago.

After reading more of his quote on that link I think Underoath looks even more silly. They talk about creating their style to TRY and not be like other bands. So instead of being themselves, they try to be different, seemingly just for the sake of being different. That's the epitome of a poseur.

I know what Tim is getting at...but yea he just used the wrong words-and now the fans on both sides are going haywire.

I mean yea A7x is poserish-but yea as much as one doesn't like A7x....they can play their instruments-I mean I would daresay they are more talented musically than Underoath.


However Underoath easily writes better songs than them...like 100x better.

If you listen to the whole freaking interview the guy from Metal Hammer leads him up to that comment by talking about how ridiculous thrash metal is and how that style of music was cool thirty years ago. He basically riles him up for a good 6 or 7 minutes before a7x comes up in the interview.

He actually admits that bands like Dragonforce, a7x, and Metallica could play circles around everybody in UO but they can't write good songs. So the quote is off in the "they can't play" he actually says they can play but they can't write.

He actually admits that bands like Dragonforce, a7x, and Metallica could play circles around everybody in UO but they can't write good songs.

^(Alex)That's what Tim says about 12 minutes into the interview actually...quote is just reworded and skewed to make him look like a jackass as I assumed it would be.This Message Edited On 04.23.09

regardless of the image surrounding both bands, you can not deny that A7X simply can not write good songs, therefore suck, and Underoath write great songs, therefore do not suck.

/thread

reddannihilation, truer words have never been spoken

I don't even like their older stuff. master of puppets is completely overrated.

yes finally metallica are so bad eeurgh

http://mos.futurenet.com/resources/metalhammer/mhp044.mp3

Context anyone?

^thank you

Metallica suck huge piles of ass and the sooner people get that the better.

how

well metalcore is the mixture of metal and hardcore, so crossover trash can be a form of metalcore.

also, the original metalcore bands from the 90's (like converge) are mainly thrashy.

Waking the fallen > Underoath > The rest of A7X

A7X clearly can write

http://mos.futurenet.com/resources/metalhammer/mhp044.mp3

after listening to the interview...he is a huge douche.

synopsis: "like...y'know"

i wish people would just shut up and let it be about the music.

Who the fuck cares what two moderately successful bands say about each other really

Yeah, actually the interview makes me think that Tim McTague just hates music in general.

Except, y'know, his own. But he does have a few good points.

listening to the interview big props to tim

wow two pop artists in a spat

its like lily allen and katy perry all over again.
make up and all.
minus the sex appeal.

i stopped listening to metalcore when I became of the opinion it all sounds the same and every metalcore band releases a mainstream breakthrough album with screaming, drop c riffs etc then drops the screaming alltogether and turns into a fucking boring metallica clone. Have yet to hear Underoath but I doubt i'd like them.

only good metalcore(ish) album ever is The Artist in the Ambulance. And maybe Killswtiches AOJB. in my opinion.

this is totally news worthy gaiz

i stopped listening to metalcore when I became of the opinion it all sounds the same and every metalcore band releases a mainstream breakthrough album with screaming, drop c riffs etc then drops the screaming alltogether and turns into a fucking boring metallica clone. Have yet to hear Underoath but I doubt i'd like them.

A+ thread would read again

I really can't classify Underoath as metalcore. Sure, they play heavier music, but there's not a whole lot of 'traditional' metal (ala drop c riffs), and it's quite often moody and atmospheric. Try it, you'll hate it.

early underoath is metalcore without a doubt.

how is artist in the ambulance metalcore?
its post hardcore for sure.

a7x were never metalcore.

I would say UO is metalcore...but they use post-metal atmosphere which make them sound F**king epic. Like their not musical geniuses but they are one of the better/best bands out there right now.

You'd probably do well with the single "Writing On The Walls" as a starter.

Give me a song to get me into them. I like early Thrice, Brand New, Radiohead etc and bands like that, so try to gimme one in that range.

why do so many bands play in drop ;O crazy shit man

because it's br00tal

aka incoherent

Because honestly it sounds darker...brutal...and in some cases cooler. But it's all preference

woops i meant to say drop C but same applies?

Christian blah blah blah Underoath blah blah blach
A7X sucking so muc blach blach blah
Underoath sucking slightly less blah blah blah
Fuck one of you for saying something I disagree with blah blah blah

all that drop tuning stuff...its all the same. Just yea the lower the tuning the darker/deeper the tones get. But yea doesnt make too much of a difference.

darker/deeper the tones

why dont they tune to standard C and not drop C

Just yea the lower the tuning the darker/deeper the tones get.

tuning means jack shit but i think dropped isn't as good as non dropped, I mean in standard you can still do the same shit with like a tiny bit more effort, and can also play a shitload more chord variations.

...same with dropped tunings

Mikedrummer you are clearly a fool.

nah theres things youd have to have an extra finger for in drop d that you can do in standard.

i stopped listening to metalcore when I became of the opinion it all sounds the same and every metalcore band releases a mainstream breakthrough album with screaming, drop c riffs etc then drops the screaming alltogether and turns into a fucking boring metallica clone. Have yet to hear Underoath but I doubt i'd like them.

only good metalcore(ish) album ever is The Artist in the Ambulance. And maybe Killswtiches AOJB. in my opinion.

Mike, it's like this. Why make it harder when there's an easier way? Sure, if you want to challenge yourself, but convenience =/= inexperience.

And when I said drop C earlier, I didn't mean CADGBE, I meant everything tuned a step down from drop D tuning. So, CGCFAD (I think). This Message Edited On 04.23.09

i'm still lol-ing at this

nah theres things youd have to have an extra finger for in drop d that you can do in standard.

So, CGCFAD (I think).

Yeah, it's not really a big deal what tuning is used anyways.

As long as they're not doing things in C# standard (BTBAM) or Eb standard (PTH), because I'm pretty sure they do that just to mess people up.

as for artist in the ambulance, like i said, it's only metalcoreISH, it's got certain metalcorey songs.

look beyond basic chords kid

So, CGCFAD (I think).

ya

Both bands suck donkey dick

What a long thread for 2 mediocre bands.

Who the fuck cares what two moderately successful bands say about each other really

hahaaha agreed. At the same time though christian hardcore is also just as crappy.

hahaaha agreed. At the same time though christian hardcore is also just as crappy.

wut?

i don't believe in God but good music is good music. not that ive even heard said band.

good point, so lets just say they dont make good music in fact it's awful.

What's wrong with flat tunings, I use those a lot.

I'm on A7X's side because i'm a tool and I don't like the mind boggling turn Underoath took..

Eb sounds pretty good actually, and isn't hard to tune to at all. I don't like drop tuning (when just simply dropping the low E or 6th string) and stay in standard just because I associate drop tuning as a cop out to just chug away on riffs - it feels like it limits your sound and chord shapes (imo). Kim Thayil is one of the few guitarists that play in drop that I like. Bit late to the party but meh

Honestly people who say that drop tunings limit chord shapes come off as really lazy to me. It opens up just as many things as it cuts off, and in all honesty it barely limits anything, you just have to take a little bit more time to figure out how to figure out how to make chords work in that tuning.This Message Edited On 04.23.09

Mark, I just hate having to tune down only half a step to play some PTH song, or if I'm already in standard C, tuning up half a step to play BTBAM. It seems kind of trivial, and it's hell for people with locking tuning heads. aka me.

I play with 7 string guitars-which is basically the easy way out for playing songs with detunings. And yea detuning in terms or rock/metal whatever are usually used for playing power chords with deeper tunings. So I don't think it precisly limits how one plays its just to how well they utilze the string/frets chord progression for songs.

In the end it comes down to preference, I mean like Korn does some drop A tunings stuff (7 stringish) and yea apparently for some its "brutal" but personally It just comes of as gunk to me. On the flipside bands like Underoath, Tool, Glassjaw, and others use only drop D but I find their music much more intense despite the "not so low" detuning for me. Heck even bands that use standard tuning can really jam out.

In the end: it's all preference-either way you can create limitless sounds whether you detune or not. Just most rock/metal bands tend to stick to the power chords because it works even though it feels to limit by just playing the 1st and 5th of a chord.

Mark, I just hate having to tune down only half a step to play some PTH song, or if I'm already in standard C, tuning up half a step to play BTBAM. It seems kind of trivial, and it's hell for people with locking tuning heads. aka me.

You should go buy a guitar capo...rather than stressing yourself with tunings you can just use those it makes your life a lot easier. I use that on my guitar to play with different tunings and it saves my time/sanity.

I mean haha yea you do..and haha honestly I think even playing something like PTH you can get away with playing minus the two frets on a fretboard. Play around with it.

I hate locking tuning heads anyway. My Ibanez has a locking trem system and I can't stand it/never use it.

Yeah, the 22 and 23 frets aren't really my most used box. Haha.

I like locking tuning heads for the sake of playing live. When you're in tune, there's no getting out of it. But when you're trying to navigate with all these flats, sharps and drop tunings, it just gets annoying.

And I distrust Ibanez anyways. Haha.

lol at this whole post & comments
i've listened to both bands - underoath is more genuine for sure...instrumentally, maybe a7x flaunts their ability more...but thats all i see when i compare them. i say UO ftw, but i thought there was supposed to be some comradery between artists and musicians no matter how frustrating it can be that one is less qualified...

If you get quality tuning heads you shouldn't need locking tuning heads to stay in tune, no matter how much you thrash around or now hard you play.

If you get quality tuning heads you shouldn't need locking tuning heads to stay in tune, no matter how much you thrash around or now hard you play.

Shouldn't this article be called Gay vs. Gay?

Christian blah blah blah Underoath blah blah blach
A7X sucking so muc blach blach blah
Underoath sucking slightly less blah blah blah
Fuck one of you for saying something I disagree with blah blah blah

please make an exception to the no name-change rule

in my top 5 worst decisions ever

please make an exception to the no name-change rule

in my top 5 worst decisions ever

i stopped listening to metalcore when I became of the opinion it all sounds the same and every metalcore band releases a mainstream breakthrough album with screaming, drop c riffs etc then drops the screaming alltogether and turns into a fucking boring metallica clone. Have yet to hear Underoath but I doubt i'd like them.

only good metalcore(ish) album ever is The Artist in the Ambulance. And maybe Killswtiches AOJB. in my opinion.

Both bands can play, the difference is that Underoath can write songs and understand dynamics, but Avenged Sevenfold write solos and then flesh songs around it. It's pretty fucking obvious they do too.

according to willfellmarsy's quote, someone just called TAITA metalcore. Who the fuck is that dumb?

he added an (ish) to the end lol
dunno what i would call it though...

post-hardcore.

[QUOTE=aaron]Both bands can play, the difference is that Underoath can write songs and understand dynamics, but Avenged Sevenfold write solos and then flesh songs around it.[/QUOTE]
No, the difference is a7x are buttfags

I really 130%'d my love for Underoath because of the interview.

Do emo faggots even have the right to use the word poser? This is one of the worst cases of pot calling kettle black and the Special Olympics joke ever.

waking the fallen was GREAT. city of evil was meh. self titled was crap.

underOATH > A7X. sorry...

underOATH's way more consistent.

I spent this entire thread thinking we were talking about KSE.

Coheed and Cambria > both combined

this man has a brain

this man has a brain

nice 87% review approval...fag-gotThis Message Edited On 04.23.09

Coheed are shit, but yeah, irrelevant.

But I am confused why this discussion is still happening after it's been pointed out what was really meant, and it's pretty hard to argue it.

in 158 replies nobody has mentioned Escape the Fate...well,

I...have heard of them...?

which in turn lead to discussion about guitar tuning.

So I hear the new Mastodon album is pretty good.

So I hear the new Mastodon album is pretty good.

homo alert...

in 158 replies nobody has mentioned Escape the Fate

Underoath V A7X...

So much for an epic battle LOL

Kirgasm - I'm not a scene troll, but I do listen to their newest record. And I enjoy it. Doesn't make it particularly good, I know, but i like it.

lol a7x suck mu balls

go listen to the streets fag

UNDEROATH IS SOOOOOO MUCH BETTTTTER!!!! av7 suuuxxxx and they are posers

Both bands should get a submarine and record an album for fish in the Marianas Trench. Maybe they would become underwater friends.

Sorry, just watched Metalocalypse.

i enjoy listening to a7x moar

i shit more talent than A7X

They're both the same type of metalcore pop bands, the whole scene is poseur for trying to bring real punk/hardcore to the masses.

I saw Underoath live like a month ago.........They are fucking terrible.
I mean, their music on cd isn't good to begin with, but when you can't pull it off live. You know you're in trouble.

underoath >

I can't believe I missed that. Now I'm gonna have to kill a small child.

diss tracks

why dont people just start listening to real bands like isis and stop worrying about shit bands that havent released good music in years

...I missed this entire discussion.
But just to throw in my two cent: Underoath's last two albums show great progression and are by the far the best albums they have ever released. In my opinion at least. Point being, the band is working hard to progress their sound and it's working. A7X, however, tries to progress and ultimately ends up sounding worse. While WtF was a good album, that was 6 years ago. City of Evil was decent, but Matt's vocals took a turn for the worse...and their self titled was pretty awful.
Bottom line: Underoath is progressing while A7X is actually regressing. In my opinion, that makes Underoath the better band. I enjoy Lost In The Sound more than WtF anyway.

Very funny thread though.

omg you guys are a bunch of bitches arguing about this. underoath is better than A7X....end of discussion.

yea... i am digging crack the skye...

sorry people actually like the album so you "rebels" have to hate on it

IMO its their most original and creative album yet

bahahaha that just made my day, they both lick nuts PERIOD

M Shadows vox > everythingThis Message Edited On 04.26.09

lol keep telling yourself that so you can sleep at night

natey was kidding you nub

would you rather do M Shadows or circle jerk it with Underoath no u cant say both

circle jerk with UO

Do M Shadows. He is beefy.

I just want to make one thing clear. Akuma>Underoath>A7X ;)

haha this thread is so pointless. everyone knows
any one Underoath song > Avenged sevenfold discography

A+ thread would read again

This made me lol

So, i guess underoath hates Dee Snyder... seems to me this isnt the first time bands have had fake names (The Ramones) and defnitly not the first time bands have worn make up on stage (Alice Cooper) yah, they are gimmicks, but i dont think A7x's popularity is based solely on the fact that they wear makeup or have fake names, some people must like their music enough to make them as popular as they are now. I like both bands, but Underoath just seems kinda whiney in this.

Um, everyone here knows that Underoath released Define The Great Line AND Lost In The Sound of Separation, right? Just making sure because some of you are acting like A7x deserves to be in the same sentence and, well, that's just silly.

KebertXela & Mikedrummer = Idiots.

I can't say I enjoy either of these bands, but wow those 2 posters must be typing with their asses...ridiculous.

remember this? this was funny

ilunderoath

A7X has some good songs , but underoath pawns a7x. Lost In the Sound of Seperation, DTGL and even They're Only Chasing Safety beats anything a7x has to offer.
Any way UO's live show is kick's way more ass then a7x.
UO>a7x
LISOS>DTGL>TOCS>a7x> The Changing of times

this was still sssssssssssuper funny.