Gross

Why, just why

No need only greed

It's easily their most generic album, and that's saying something.

Nah, that's reroute to remain.

They absolutely butchered the re-recording.

Nobody wanted this. This sucks so much

Is this band just entirely hell-bent on running their legacy completely into the ground?

there was no reason to make this. It's like when Sonata Arctica re-recorded Ecliptica, nobody wanted it, and the end result was a much worse version the original, which is still incredible. Based on this track, this will likely suffer the same fate. Who wanted this?

Fans of I The Mask, Battles, Reroute To Remain, and The Siren Charms.

--Who wanted this?--

Probably just the record label. Even the band tries to pretend Clayman and before doesn't even exist.

Reroute and Sountrack are absolute trash and I've avoided the new stuff.

Do they still perform older tracks at concerts?

it's not that bad but somehow the worse production on the original suits the song more. idk why that is, though.

I will defend Reroute to my grave, love that album. It was my first In Flames album I heard. I truly believe there are some heartfelt songs on there and killer chorus writing.

worse is subjective

okay somehow the less pristine and muddy production of the original suits the song more.

it smooths things out somehow, helps it flow better , the original muddy production

the production on the original is definitely better, deeper, the guitar tone is widely praised to this day.
this newer production is actually sorta underproduced imo, the drums sound really dry and not very powerful for a metal album, guitars feel small in the mix too.

In Flames must've thought: "You know the bands and record producers who try to imitate the guitar tone on Clayman to this day? Yeah, fuck those people."

I wasn't being facetious or contrarian, if I recorded a melodeath album today I'd rather it sound like the original.

I dunno, this sounds muddier than the original to me. I'm no production expert, but the kick drum has basically no bass in it, the rhythm and lead guitars blend with each other in a way that sounds really messy, the guitars just sound weaker overall. The harmony section at around 2:20 sounds fucking terrible.

Muddy can still be beefy. Which this is not.

What the hell. This sounds absolutely worse than the original. Who approved this shit soundwise?!

the rotting carcass of in flames rants about that time they knocked down sugar ray leonard

was probably the label going "hey lets do a thing to capitalise on the anniversary of this album" then having no b-sides or demos or whatever to put on there

lol at releasing a shit remaster of one of your good albums along with not releasing a decent record in almost 15 years

thank god they're not doing this to Whoracle.

I'm guessing their wine hasn't been selling well

Ha ha. There's an In Flames wine?

Looks like this idea went... *sunglasses*
up in flames

It's actually a gin lol

this is awfully mixed/produced, but this is the best Anders has sounded in over almost 15 years.

A few songs on this album slay, but I don't wanna hear this.

I'ma go jam Bullet Ride now.

BTW Soundtrack fucking rules GTFO

why tho

i could get a live release of the songs but why take the time to re-record them?

this is poop

Lordy imagine listening to the original and thinking "damn you know what this needs is a production job from Howard fucking Benson".

So troll

Congratulations, In Flames. You have crossed the boundary from shitty band with a good history to pathetic band regardless of history. Worthless. Actively cannibalising any positives that could be associated with you.

Anders doing his newer more emotive style is not needed, and the heavier guitars on the part before the final chorus sound weird and out of place. otherwise it sounds fine but like, why.

What kind of deal with the Devil did they make where Anders goddamn Friden sounds on point and absolutely at his best in years and everything else around him is utterly garbage.

Anders' vocals sound better here but everything else is significantly worse

Yeah the vocals are the best thing about this (mainly the chorus).

Production sucks. The transition to the solo at 2:20 sounds terrible

When the world needed him most, the rest of the band vanished

yeah this is pointless, a lot worse than the original and the production is awful, though anders hasnt sound this good in studio since 2008. lets hope it will somehow serve as study material to make the current line up learn/remember how to write better songs

2020 IF has already brought us I the mask (arcade version) and Clayman (re-recorded). who knows their next step, Subterranean (country version)?

also why the fuck would they remaster this, the production holds up great to this day.

If there is anything I've learned in all my years of audio, it's that most metal fans have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to production. Sure you might prefer the original, likely because you've heard it a million times, but this is pretty much objectively produced better than the original.

i was pouring myself a drink when this started and i almost smacked my glass onto the floor when that dumb metalcore shit kicked in what the fuck is this

why santa why

Holy fuck this sounds so bad, especially the guitar solo.

That's a yikes from me

if you actually watch some recent performances of their old material (the hive, graveland, embody the invisible, behind space, etc), his growl is as good or better than it was back in the 90s

I like new In Flames and was excited to hear the re-recording, but even I think the original version was better. Everything just sounds sharper and more cohesive in the original.

clayman is my second favourite in flames record

this fucking bites

Bahahaha this sucks shit. His over singing should be saved for their new crap, not the classics

Guitar tone for the solo is hilarious

That solo is both disgusting and hilarious

In Flames cover band In Flames A.D. records they take of Clayman with a bit of twist!

Eugh why does Anders have to sound so terrible.

what can i say that hasn't already been said this is fuckin terrible

Not sure, but there might be some label meddling here. Every label needs a few cash cow bands so it's viable for them to support those that don't make as much money. In Flames is a lost cause probably, so they're milkin' them

Clayman was still a good album, but it was already showing signs of what was to come. And then they went full emo on Reroute, lol

only for the weak is still my favorite song of all time bc of the pure nostalgia

haha the usual in flames hate crew
theyre all here
its like a swarm
very entertaining

booomm

i like this re-recorded version a lot
brings a lot of new flair to the old track
and while it may not be as good as the original, why cant we just be happy about both existing?

in flames showed more and more interest in playing their classic stuff live again in the last few years. i got a feeling that they found a new appreciation for that old material.

I certainly hope so

More like sales are down for their new shit and they know people suck the dick of their old shit so they're trying to capitalize

I was intrigued when I heard about this, but oh man they turned one of my favorite songs of theirs into something bland....wtf


"if you actually watch some recent performances of their old material (the hive, graveland, embody the invisible, behind space, etc), his growl is as good or better than it was back in the 90s"

I saw them live in 2017 and when they played Moonshield/The Jester Dance/Only for the Weak it sounded amazing. They can clearly still play those songs well.

fuck yeah

Look at the two people who mixed and mastered this slop and ask yourself whether they were even remotely qualified to do so

Anders thought they were, goddamn dumbass

Anders is pretty much the best thing about this re-recording. The riffs just sound generic and boring compared to the original. And what's with the utter lack of bass?

I can't wait for this to come out so Sputnik reviewers can rip it to shreds.

They've really lost it.
Such a great band back in the days, too bad...

Oh man, that sobbing sound in the end of every fucking growled word that Friden does the last 15 years is really disgusting.

I had enough with them doing shitty music for the last 10 years but now they have to destroy his own legit good legacy? Mother of god... They sound bland as fuck.

FUCKING WHY? DON'T TOUCH CLASSICS, EVEN YOUR OWN!

It's easily their most generic album, and that's saying something.

Debate time Willie! hahahaha It's easily their most realized album, and that's saying something.

love Clayman, not even gonna check this

"If there is anything I've learned in all my years of audio, it's that most metal fans have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to production. Sure you might prefer the original, likely because you've heard it a million times, but this is pretty much objectively produced better than the original."

lol

"The riffs just sound generic and boring compared to the original."

what? you realize theyre the same riffs, right?

Oh man, that sobbing sound in the end of every fucking growled word that Friden does the last 15 years is really disgusting. [2]

although id replace "really disgusting" with "a little annoying".

Man this band is really out of musical ideas they were so great in the 90s. Maybe they should get some new members to revitalize themselves.

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I've kept my mouth shut since 2008 about this fucking band fucking their own shit up, but this time, THIS TIME THEY DONE GONE AND SCREWED THE POOCH. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT. Embarrassing

"Maybe they should get some new members to revitalize themselves"

I'd change "new" with "old"

Absolute fucking shit. I mean its one thing to crap out bad new albums, but retroactively go back and screw around your classic stuff for no goddamn reason? Idiots.

Anders Friden, February 2019:

"I will never go back and do another 'The Jester Race' or 'Whoracle' or 'Colony' or 'Clayman'. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be true to that album. That album is perfect in every way. If I try to go back 20 years and try to recreate something when I'm in a whole different state of mind, that wouldn't do it justice. It would just only be bad."

Nuclear Blast, early 2020:

"You $ure about that?"

Agree with the general concensus, best Anders has sounded in years, everything else about the track is utter trash.

Re-record sounds really neutered production-wise. Anders sounds fine, pretty good on the chorus actually.

I've always thought their last great album was Colony but I may have to listen to this again.

lol the amount of salt over this is hilarious.

anders still growing as a vocalist is a good thing

This sounds about like how I imagined them re recording this would sound. The only complaint I have is the same as a lot of others with that lead section at 2:20. The ending starts out with a nice shreddy lick but then just nose dives into a pile of noise and I don't know what is going on there. It's like he forgot what he was supposed to play for the last part and just said "fuck it I don't wanna do another take" lol. Sucks though because that part was a highlight of the song in the original and i kinda wish they would have just left at the same.

Also anders sounds the same as he has in the past few albums and I think a lot of you just haven't listened to those

thats artistic freedom u punk.
and i listened to the past few albums... a lot.
it was fairly obvious that his vocals on the last album were much improved from before and he did take lessons.

I'm not sure why you're so offended lol. I'm not saying anders sounds bad. In fact, he sounds pretty good I think. I wouldn't have a problem with them changing that part if any audible notes didn't disappear into the mix halfway through lol

is anders your dad

"Also anders sounds the same as he has in the past few albums and I think a lot of you just haven't listened to those"

what gives you that idea?

his vocal inflections are way restrained on here. He feels much more natural and emotive on their newest stuff.

"what gives you that idea?"

Because his vocals here sound pretty much just like they have on the last few albums

a lot of people dont like the vox on those albums either, i dont see how people not liking them means they havent heard those albums. also hes been doing it for more than just a few albums.

I'm referring to all the people saying he sounds better than he has in years

oh, yeah he sounds pretty much the same, agreed.

Peak anders harsh vocals were whoracle colony era though

Anders's vocals follow the Korn-like path since 2003. I suppose they are bettered the last two years but the path is still the same. I find his vocals fully pretentious and unbearable, kinda "I am the boss in this band". Back in the days of melodeath paradise, Anders was serving In Flames and not the opposite.

nah he sounds better than ever

how can vocals be pretentious

I own this album and forgot how much i love it, this was a good reminder, but the original recording has obviously the far superior sound

"how can vocals be pretentious"

By over-accentuating that pseudo-sentimental sobbing sound in the end of every growled word like that really matters when we have to do with songs the only sentiments they can carry are the ones connected with yawning.

In my pretentious opinion of course.

if they were wanting to actually improve production, they'd give jester race and whoracle a remaster with the same production as colony (albeit neither of them are terribly produced in the first place, colony just has the best of all of them)

man tjr would sounds weird with colony's production. whoracle could def use it tho, would be a big improvement

they really nailed it with colony, everything sounds so full on that record, jester race is a bit thin on that front

quad tracking bruh

The term "quad tracking" always makes me laugh

me, after tearing that ass up last night: "that's called quad tracking baby"