badass m/

PISTOL GRIP PUMP ON MY LAP AT ALL TIMES

God, I love Tom Morello.

And then the political discussion begins.

Honestly I think this is stupid. Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you, even if he is a vice presidential candidate. Several things he said were completely ignorant. I mean freedom of speech, dude can do what we wants but still

"And then the political discussion begins."

Lol yeah this is gonna open a can of worms.

"Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you"

Because he feels like it

That's what I'm saying Yankee I mean he's entitled to do whatever the hell he wants I just think this is stupid

"the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production"

hahaha what a tool

"That's what I'm saying Yankee I mean he's entitled to do whatever the hell he wants I just think this is stupid"

What the hell are you talking about? Tom Morello isn't allowed to comment on what a VP nominee believes because he has the right to believe it?

1: I have very little love for Romney or Ryan (or, for that matter, Obama), but in my very humble opinion Morello comes off as a bit of a dick in this. This seems to be a common occurrence for RAtM.

2: Everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever music they want, even if the lyrics or the musicians disagree with them. I think that Varg is a total fuckwad, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy HLTO.

3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.

4. Rolling Stone is, like, the worst fucking magazine ever to exist. If I wanted borderline-offensive caricatures of right wing politicians and information on the latest GOP-sponsored atrocity/conspiracy, I wouldn't be reading a God damned music magazine.


In conclusion: Tom Morello is a douche. Freedom of speech is great in that he's totally entitled to say this, but I still find him to be a douche.

It isn't that he doesn't agree with him. It's the way he went about doing it. I'm not gonna get into a discussion like this on the internet cause it just isn't worth it but whatever

Ron Paul 2016

@Ignimbrite

Thank you. Exactly what I was trying to say. He's being smart ass prick. Instead he should have just said like oh? he likes my music? cool I'm still not voting for him

Um, Paul Ryan has actively wanted to ban birth control, abortion, privatize Social Security and Medicare, voted against the DREAM Act, voted for wars, voted against environmental regulations, and wants to further cut taxes on the rich.



How is Tom being a douche in any way? Everything he said is correct. Ryan stands for everything Rage was/is against.

Yeah Rolling Stone is garbage

andcas stop

NOBAMA 2012!!!!!!!

"I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!"

"Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions."

This is him clearly being a tool. And I mean I don't know about anyone else but who believes exactly what any of these politicians believe? I don't. It's voting for the lesser of two evils these days

2012 presidential ballot

choice A shit candidate one

choice B shit candidate two

Let's get Ron Paul in the Presidency in 2016 people!

That's pretty funny.

Obama is the lesser of the two evils by farrrr

Yeah both candidates suck, I'd rather vote for Ron Paul but he's probably too old to run for nomination again

"This is him clearly being a tool. And I mean I don't know about anyone else but who believes exactly what any of these politicians believe? I don't. It's voting for the lesser of two evils these days"

Again, Paul Ryan stands for EVERYTHING that Tom is against. I'm absolutely positive that he has issues with Obama too but not as many issues as he has with Romney/Ryan.

WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT

yes ron paul is the savior that america needs

shut the fuck up

he's the defender of the constitution

It would appear that Paul Ryan is a heavy fan,

I mean I see what you're saying eternium and I don't disagree. Again I just think he could have been more "professional" about it.

And yeah it is pretty lame because since I've been old enough to vote in elections all the candidates blow. I hardly even consider myself anything but a moderate these days because both candidates suck so hard. If I thought Ron Paul could win I would vote for him but he's just a swing vote

"How is Tom being a douche in any way? Everything he said is correct. Ryan stands for everything Rage was/is against."

Again, I have no problem with respectful disagreement. However, Morello is going far beyond that. Sure, the essentials of what he's saying about Ryan are true, yet the way he says them imply that Ryan is not only someone he disagrees with. Having a differing opinion is very different from effectively calling them a horrible person. If he had just done this...

Instead he should have just said like oh? he likes my music? cool I'm still not voting for him

Ron Paul would run our economy into the ground and spit on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4ePdTi7q8

"Instead, he's painting Ryan, and the Republican party in general, as Nazi baboons."

How is he painting them as Nazis? I already stated the facts that support Tom's case. If you think the Republicans being anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-environment, anti-poor, anti-gay, and pro-rich guy makes them sound like Nazis then they are Nazis because they are those things.

You could argue Obama will do the same thing to the economy. Obama does some things that could be considered good to a degree and the same for Romney. But both are far from being good candidates. And they wonder why the new gen doesn't wanna vote.

pretty sure republicans aren't all those things lol. anti-woman? seriously? i'm pretty sure there are a ton of female republicans that would disagree with the notion that they are "anti-woman."

@Storm In A Teacup

Thats an outstanding speech

"You could argue Obama will do the same thing to the economy."

You could but you'd be wrong because then the economy would already be in the ground like it was when he came into office (because Bush did run it into the ground). Instead it's kind of tilting at a retarded angle.

"anti-woman? seriously?"

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/

Yes, I know it's a liberal slanted website but facts are facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Nl2MfL-t0&feature=fvwp

Republicans are not anti-woman. Republicans are also not opposed to immigration purely but namely illegal immigration. They are also not anti-environment or anti-poor. Democrats just take Republicans beliefs to the extremes. And I'm sure Republicans do the same to them.

Paul Ryan could be any number of these things, I wouldn't know. But not Republicans across the board

i haven't read that article, but in your last comment you were talking about republicans being painted as nazis because they are all of those things you listed. it sounded like you were talking about republicans in general, not just this one guy.

nash, then why do they support cutting and/or privatizing programs that the poor rely on? Why do they insist on giving tax cuts for the rich but leave the poor behind? Why do many of them want to get rid of the EPA? Why do they want to ban abortion in all cases (more and more of them want to) and even get rid of birth control? Everything they are doing in the name of small government (cutting welfare while preserving defense and tax cuts) and being pro-life (making abortion/birth control more difficult to get, cutting Planned Parenthood) disproportionally affect women.

@ Storm

Thats why he's the only person I'd vote for, too bad he's not running

I Hate the 2 party system

That's not direct btw andcas

Sandra Fluke and other women like her that want their reproduction rights, we're going to call them sluts but we aren't anti-women.

None but the most ludicrous of Republicans are anti-woman. I've met maybe 2 in my entire life who fit that description.

Well... Anti-immigrant may be accurate, so you've got me there.

I'd say that the majority of Republicans that I know are not anti-environment. Many are fully supportive of combating global climate change, yet they simply place other issues (job creation is a common one) as higher priority than the environment or they have different ideas about what's good for it. Whether they're misinformed or not is another story, but they mostly mean well.

Republicans are not anti-poor. I have never met a single Republican who has any problem with the disenfranchised: in fact, the churchgoing evangelist Republicans I come into contact with most Sundays show more love for the homeless than anyone that I have ever met.

Anti-gay? Well, yeah... Many are indeed anti-gay. However, all but for the most hateful follow the "hate the sin, love the sinner" creed. I know that this doesn't make it much better in our eyes, but they do mean well (for the most part).

The pro-rich Republican idea is often true, unfortunately. However, I don't like the term "pro-rich" because it paints the rich as evil when used in this sense, when many well-off people I know are still really good people. This could be another case of being misinformed but well-meaning, as many I know follow things like trickle-down economics. Yeah, it doesn't actually work like they think it does, but the fact that they genuinely believe that it benefits everyone has to count for something.

Because I consider myself conservative more so than liberal (although I'm no where near extreme I'm very moderate) and I don't agree with half of what you said. So no, I don't think that is true for all Republicans. And tons of ignorant people vote for democrats if they are liberal and republican if they are conservative regardless of what the candidate stands for. Like I said, I don't agree with all of Romney's beliefs. Hell no. Obama either. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna vote. And it is gonna be for who I think sucks the least haha

just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor
doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing. you can't isolate one view,
remove all other factors and then make a wild accusation like that.

I think we need to make distinctions between a party's politicians/leaders and its regular members.

@ Ignimbrite

It is rare to see people these days on the internet who aren't narrow minded or ignorant so I salute you for being neither.

"It's safe to say no memorable RATM songs will be used in the political campaign.
"

lol'd

What sauce says

The two Republicans running for office are some of the most ludicrous of Republicans and that is what matters. That is who they voted to represent their party (and they say Mitt Romney is a moderate!).

Neither will acknowledge climate change, neither are for gay marriage, both want to cut environmental regulations, both want to close out the border and kick out illegal immigrants that are here, both want to cut welfare for the poor/old, and both want to cut reproduction rights (abortion, birth control) for women. They won't raise the minimum wage but they want to cut taxes on the rich by at least 20%.

"all but for the most hateful follow the "hate the sinner, love the sin" creed."

i think you've got that backwards.

Sauce, we are obviously talking about its members now because nobody thinks these candidates are worth a damn. I agree we need to start a new party. But it needs to gain a shit ton of support before it could ever feasibly win an election.

This:

just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor
doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing. you can't isolate one view,
remove all other factors and then make a wild accusation like that.

I think we need to make distinctions between a party's politicians/leaders and its regular members.

Lol yeah he got it backwards aubergine. And like I said... I agree eternium I think the republican candidates suck because I don't agree with those things either

"just because in general republicans don't support as many government funded programs for the poor doesn't mean that they are anti-poor, that's just political framing"

Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die.

i think we need to get rid of the two-party system


BUT I THINK BIG

"Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die."

lol r u dumb.

"Oh okay, so if I don't feed my cat it just means I'm against feeding my cat, not that I'm anti-cat, even though my cat will probably die."

Ok now that was just a fucking stupid thing to say.

My point is that their wanting to gut welfare programs would inevitably lead to poverty increasing and people dying.

most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted.

Eternium if you hated your cousin and she was a girl and you killed her does that make you an antifeminist? An anti-cousin? lol

Auber and Nash: 2
Eternium: 0

"most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted."

Exactly. FFS. Most republican issues boil down to regulation. They want to regulate everything. Some cases it is a good thing imo, sometimes it is awful.

most republicans don't want to completely cut welfare programs, they want stricter regulations so that the system is not abuses as frequently, which means less of our tax dollars wasted.

Then why are they trying to cut food stamp funds?

Our welfare net is already one of the more conservative of any first world nation, thanks to the 1996 reforms.

and honestly, same goes for dems

i hate american politics now

Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are.

Crap, whoops on the sinner/sin thing.

And come on, Eternium. The Republicans who are against government welfare programs are not against them because they hate the poor. "hurr durr I hate poor people fuck them all. hey guys let's vote against welfare programs because fuck the poor lol" - No one thinks this way. You are *drastically* oversimplifying this issue. They're against the programs not because they hate the poor, but because they think that they're ineffective money sinks (don't try and bring up the defense budget here on me because I also think our spending in that area is completely apeshit) and that there are better ways to help the poor.

Again, I say that the evangelical Republicans I've grown up around have more compassion and love for the poor than anyone I've ever met, and that includes pro-welfare Democrats (and likely you and me). If that doesn't defeat your "anti-welfare = anti-poor" argument, then I don't know what does.

Lol kris

Like why do you think Romney is anti-immigration? Think he just is out to get Mexicans? no. It is because there are a shit ton of illegals here mooching off our system. Also I've read tons of gang related violence in So-Cal stems from mexican drug cartel.

Exhibit A: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/the-continuing-saga-of-ob_b_990291.html

Ignimbrite, they routinely attack those on welfare as lazy people who just need to get a job. They attack single mothers as sinners who should have kept their legs closed. If you haven't seen this then you are blind. I live in the South, don't try to tell me what Republicans do or don't believe because I talk to them every single day. I see the racism and sexism and homophobia that leaks into the legislation.

"Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are."

Fucking lol and here comes the narrow mindedness

Because Xeno he was the best candidate out of everyone running

isnt ron paul a racist?
pretty sure the dude hates blacks with a seething passion

i don''t think he would be

Eternium don't pull I live in the south bull shit. So do I. I've seen both sides of the extreme coin for sure. I mean I agree with Kris American politics suck so hard

yes ron paul is the savior that america needs

shut the fuck up

Lol.

Giant Douche and Turd Sammich

ah here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGqAIkjGLMw

If Democrats are as extreme as Republicans are (and again I'm talking about the people elected to represent the parties in government) then prove it to me.

There's an entire coalition of conservative Democrats (called Blue Dogs). There isn't a coalition of liberal Republicans. The Tea Party is taking over the Republican Party via accusing extremely conservative Republicans of being liberals because they might think rape is a good reason to have an abortion (this is happening in my own district) and replacing them with a more radical representative.

"they routinely attack those on welfare as lazy people who just need to get a job."

Do you know how many people in the south really are actually lazy and DO need to get a job? That is why they wanna regulate it. Of course there are those that need it that is why they made the system. But if you dont see the people that abuse it then you too are blind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters#Controversial_statements
(omg hes linkin wikipedia what a tool)

yeah he's definitely extremely homophobic and racist

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - rawn pall

"I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." - cunt you're trying to put in office

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day." - holy shit he actually said this

Vote for the Rhinoceros party.

The people who need it vastly outnumber the lazy people that abuse it.

Oh so because we don't have an official group they don't exist?

Ignimbrite and aubergine.... We're unofficially starting the Red Cats.

sounds cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRykTpw1RQ

Thats all you need to know right there.

It dont matter who wins.

I do agree that our entire political system/ideals/practices and everything if fucked up though

Give me names then. Where is your Teddy Roosevelt or even Nelson Rockefeller?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

bill hicks is unfunny as fuck and please go die

"The people who need it vastly outnumber the lazy people that abuse it."

So that means we let them? There are far more people abiding by the law of not killing each other than those that commit murder. Should we let them keep killing people?

FFS pull your head out of your ass.

I'm with Auber and Nash and ignimbrite

Nice Kris i like him even more

Same

Gary Johnson 2012. But yeah I think Morello kinda sounds self-righteous but it's pretty funny that this happened, why would Paul Ryan even say that Rage is his favorite band? As if that matters. Also Obama is definitely a lesser of two evils, you've seen what his four years did and it didn't cause utter chaos. Who knows what the fuck Romney would do. Also it's annoying as shit when people blame Republicans for government disaster, democrats do their part in the disaster as well, they just don't come off as selfish when they do it

itt: everything that's wrong with a two party system and why i hate america

"So that means we let them? There are far more people abiding by the law of not killing each other than those that commit murder."

It is extremely illegal to lie to the government. It is extremely illegal to kill people. What more do you want? It's still going to happen no matter what.

And I agree with kris too

i voted for kodos

Chuck your support means the world

Oh I don't give a fuck if there are actual political leaders doing it, there are members of the republican party that I know outside myself that I have met that believe very moderately as a conservative. Near about everyone in politics as corrupt. It also pisses me the fuck off that Obama uses his being black as a campaign point. You know how fucked Romney would be if he said alright white people... let's band together. Majority or not that would be fucked up, and Obama is doing it with his minority

Shut the fuck up yankee

lol at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvWEKhGU6X4

I think a two party system is much better than pluralist systems in France and Germany where it is very easy for fascist or radical parties to gain power. Our system just needs a change or the one party to move back to the center and cut out the rhetoric

just saying something is EXTREMELY ILLEGAL doesn't actually prevent anyone from doing anything. there need to be regulations.

I agree with chuck

"It also pisses me the fuck off that Obama uses his being black as a campaign point."

That's pretty racist. When has Obama used his race to gain votes? Do you assume that he's doing this somehow because most black people support him even though they are historically voted extremely Democratic since the '60s?

The point is you can still better regulate it, and if you think we're doing a fine job right now then you must be one of those lazy asses eating off food stamps lol. But seriously

I would just like to see lobbying made illegal. That would be a step in the right direction for me

How can anybody be a dem or rep these days? They both are horrendous.

I'm not the one confusing differing ideas of what is and isn't effective with hatred. I'm not the one calling dissimilar cultural notions of right and wrong something akin to a deathwish for those one disagrees with. I'm not the one utterly, drastically oversimplifying and generalizing nearly half the country as objectively bad people because I disagree with them. I'm not the one who's blind.

Sure, racism, sexism, and homophobia do leak into the legislation, but this is, again, an issue of the leaders vs the population. And maybe in the South things are different (although I doubt they are to the extent you imply: there are jackasses and good people in every population), but even so, I have found absolutely none of what you say about Republicans to be true based on most of those I have met.

My biggest problem right now is that, with these generalizations, you are effectively slandering my parents, my best friends, my pastors, my relatives, my classmates, and countless other incredible people I've had the pleasure of meeting in my life. Contrary to what you think, my parents don't hate gays, my friends don't hate women, and my pastor doesn't hate the poor (did I mention how much love evangelicals I know have for the poor already?). These people show unconditional love for anyone and everyone they meet, and while it's kind of insulting that you so rigidly stick to your contrary (and utterly incorrect) generaliztions about them, I can't ever change your mind so I guess that's that.

"just saying something is EXTREMELY ILLEGAL doesn't actually prevent anyone from doing anything. there need to be regulations."

There ARE regulations. You can't receive family assistance for more than five years, for instance. The law changes from state to state because state rights and whatnot. Some have work requirements, others say you can't get more money because you have six kids instead of five, etc.

Obama has never used race in his favor and it being in his favor has been a staple of the democratic party since the 1930s

Lets just cause anarchy and storm the gates

its not obamas fault that black people rally around him because they feel their people have finally achieved something in this country after being spat on for fucking centuries
saying he's using his skin color as a way to get votes just makes you sound racist as fuck

if the roles were reversed, you'd be voting for the white guy no matter what your political views were

Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU

And if you give him the benefit of the doubt because of black history month then you need to go fuck yourself.

Good

well i'm glad you're not a politician then andcas.

@nash


dat dislike bar lol

Ignimbrite, I acknowledge that there are good conservative people. I am friends with many of them. That doesn't change the fact that the group has very strong racist, sexist, anti-anything that isn't Christian aspects to it that plague our country. If that was not an issue then the biggest talk show hosts, news anchors, and politicians wouldn't be such people.

truest thing u ever said andy. all this predictable talking point bickering is funny cuz it dont even matter.

It's been too long since there was a challenger to the two party system. First it was the Repiblicans with Lincoln when they opposed slavery, then the populists who supported business regulation, then the progressives who promoted social reform. Since then it's been steady Dem-Repub debates and no one to bring the parties back to the center of the spectrum or influence change. The Republican Party has become waaaay more right than Dems are left, to the point where they aren't eveb a logical alternate choice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBC5b3Ti0M

Alot of black people just voted for Obama cuz hes black. Be real.

No Kris that is bull shit. I would not vote for someone because of their color because we are all humans that is fucking ignorant.

Hell I'd probably vote for Condoleezza Rice if she ran

jello biafro 4 prez a change we can all agree on

"Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU"

He's not saying VOTE FOR ME CUZ IM BLACK LIKE YOU, he's saying I know the history of our people and you should vote for me if you share my values.

"Condoleeza do you get the fucking joke?"

"There ARE regulations. You can't receive family assistance for more than five years, for instance. The law changes from state to state because state rights and whatnot. Some have work requirements, others say you can't get more money because you have six kids instead of five, etc."

one of my friends gets foodstamps because he spends all of his money on retarded shit like japanese samurai sword replicas and expenisve guns that he never even uses. another one of my friend's sisters gets food stamp for god-knows-what-reason, she lives in the same house as the rest of her family who is definitely not poor, she just got into a fight with her parents and went to live with a friends family for a couple weeks and still gets foodstamps.

"President Obama Announces the 2012 Launch of African Americans for Obama"

It is from his fucking mouth. The first four seconds of the video. How could you miss it.

of course a lot of black ppl voted for him cuz he's black. who cares?

pretty cool when the powers that be initiated the literacy rule to lessen the black vote.

pretty cool when the powers that be are NOW trying to initiate an ID rule to try and lessen the poor vote

we've been voting for white dudes for over 100 yrs and all of a sudden a non-white dude gets in there and fuckers feel
threatened and shit SMH

dunpeal

ma nigga

speakin dem truufs

I'm not threatened I could give a fuck if he's black. I don't think he should use shit like http://www.barackobama.com/african-americans to get votes is what I'm saying.

"One of my friends gets foodstamps because he spends all of his money on retarded shit like japanese samurai sword replicas and expenisve guns that he never even uses."

Fucking lol

well illiterates really shouldn't have a say in the democratic process.

The voter I.D. laws really is proof that they're trying to keep minorities from voting via passing regulations that disproportionally affect minorities. Weekend voting had a large black turnout so they get rid of weekend voting, for example. This happened in at least a dozen states.

Bottom line: American politics is complete garbage.

"Bottom line: American politics is complete garbage."

aka why im not voting this year because it doesnt fucking matter anymore

It never really mattered to begin with. Because electoral college puts the president in office. Plus if you live in an across the board liberal or conservative state it doesnt matter anyway. Swing state votes are pretty much all that matter.

well illiterates really shouldn't have a say in the democratic process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGu4pbivkY

Lol satty

dude fuck p diddy that commercial with him drinkin his shit and frank sinatra playinin the background makes me hate life

frankie's rollin in his grave

yeah but rationality isn't a measurable trait. and i mean if you can't read politics are the least of yr problems.

Wow Tom Morello's a fucking douchebag.

oh here we go again a paul ryan lover go back to your homosexual burnings you fuck

No he just legitimately was a douchebag as has been stated.

I didn't even know who Paul Ryan was before I saw this article, moron.

LES JUS STORM THA CASTLE AMIRITE?

paul ryan is the hero gotham city deserves

hey look people taking my bait

sure it is. it's the standard of rationality that will probably never get agreed upon.

look i get what ur saying. I would love for everyone to be well educated. fact of the matter is that the literacy thing was
enacted when ppl knew damn well that black ppl were not gonna pass due to not being afforded the same educational
rights as everyone else


u don't have to be literate to hold beliefs. while it does grant u the ability to probably make a more informed decision.
that's not how this country was founded - to pick and choose who can vote so to manipulate the outcome

u r such a troll omg lol

i no lol u guys jus fell for it i m so good at makin u mad lololol

frankie's rollin in his grave (x2)

Lol who the hell is butthurt?

u rly got me lmao

THE ONLY PEOPLE BUTT HURT ARE THE GAYS AMIRITE? REPUBLICANS MARCH

YEA POLITICS

O NO THE REPS ARE GATHERING

DEMOCRATIC, ASSEMMBLLEEEEEE

No but seriously why would you listen to politically inclined Tom Morello when you could listen to the Durst and Limp Bizkit minus some DJ Lethal????

GO COMMIES!

Freddie D would be like Paul Ryan? Fuck that shit. Gold Cobra in this bitch.

Then gtfo Fluttertwat

GOLD TEAM RULES

AND I KNOW THAT IT'S DARKEST BEFORE DAAAAWN

guys I'm chilling and listening to the song 24 by Switchfoot. it's really good, I think we should all hold hands and listen to Switchfoot. politics are stupid.

OH-OO-OHH, OH-OO-OHH, I AM THE SECOND MAN

Fuck, I had my iPod on shuffle and Nayeli by Time to Burn is now playing. I was kidding, let's fucking kill each other

Roughly 200 comments when all that would have sufficed is "lol America'?

andcas when are the punks gonna do somethin already. its been 35 years. and no russia dont count.

1) "neither are for gay marriage" Obama is the first to openly support gay marriage so that means no other president ever has, so this is not anything new.
2) All politics aside, RATM sucks. (Opinion alert.)
3) The presidency is a joke, the two party system is a joke, the only elections that even come close too not being a joke are for Governor, Senate, House, and all the other local elections. The presidency always attracts the worst of the worst. The two party system only fans the flames because then it turns into sports, two sides trying to rip each other to shreds and it solves nothing and doesn't help the US at all.

3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.

edit: i think that's the thing with tom getting so hostile about this. he could have just said... hey, maybe our music will effect him in a positive way. But then again even when the news first dropped that he like Rage people who heard and knew about RATM pretty much saw this coming.

Oldish news, but this is so awesome to read every time.

heeeeee's the oneeee who likes aaaalll our pretty sooonnngs.

It was a dumb thing to say, but I think he probably thought that Paul Ryan was trying to get in good with the youngings by name dropping RATM so he got all defensive about it like "I'm totes not on the Republican train they are evil shut up"

Not sure why anyone would expect anything eloquent to come from the combined forces of Morello and Rolling Stone magazine though.

yeah ratm are all the rage with the "youngings."

QUIT BEING A BITCH !

QUIT CALLING THE POLICE !!

......

Yes, I know I'm hip. I'm pretty sure Morello doesn't have a modest ego. I'm pretty sure he feels as though he's still relevant to something. That's why he found it necessary throw his two cents and thinks that Paul Ryan liking RATM is outraging.

"......"

Yeah that's right you sick bastard you hear what I'm saying.!

alrighty then.

Yeah kick back and listen to some Clubroot it's pretty awesome especially high.

Ron Paul is the hero America Deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A libertarian knight.

Meatloaf is fucking disgusting.

I agree. It looks like processed mcdonalds meat with poorly cooked bacon across the top. Meatloaf himself is also a disgusting piece of shit with poor songwriting abilities. I use abilities because using "skills" would imply he has skill at something

ferferferf

I wonder if Paul Ryan enjoys Converge.

paul ryan is my hat

Could have sworn I saw this on reddit. a few days ago.

Anyways:
"Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing...."
Some of the dumbest shit I've read, dude. Who cares how he is as a genuine person? My parents are genuinely good people, but I'll be damned if they weren't some of the most racist, bigoted people I've met. And I will fucking call them out on it.

Similarly, Paul Ryan is a politician. Do you understand what this means? It means his votes are open to public discretion. Morello can view how Ryan has voted pro-abortion and anti-contraceptives for example (some view this as anti-women, which is what he's getting at). He's voted against gay marriage (anti gays). He's voted against unions (Ryan might not see this as anti-poor but others definitely do). He's voted on tough measures to reduce illegal immigration (anti-immigrants, according to some). He's voted for ID for voting (anti-poor, anti-immigrants) "to prevent voter fraud." He wants to lower taxes for the rich (pro-elite, again arguably). I'm not saying I do or don't agree on most of these stances, but the point is there is definitely justification in what Morello's said.

The point is that this idea that you can't judge someone because you don't know him is bullshit. We know where his interests lie, and how you choose to view those are up to your discretion. But fuck you if you think he shouldn't speak out his beliefs.

(It's worth noting that Morello definitely used inflammatory language, but everyone does it on politics. Look at how much attention he's gotten to his message because of it.)

I wonder if Paul Ryan enjoys violent colonoscopies.

hard to say really.

paul ryan blows ayn rand's chode

You guys are all retards :]

you lucky canadian

guys its cool because Limp Bizkit aren't breaking up

FIGHT THE POWER

Rage are the machine. Signed to a major label, controlling their creativity and shit, they definitely don't mean what they say in their songs. It's a way to market the music to people who think they're political and fighting the system.

What, they aren't even on a label

god i'm glad i'm a canadian at this moment (i mean we have our own problems...but seriously)

lol mericuh

i can't believe this hasn't been said yet so i'll do it.
RANDY BLYTHE FOR PRESIDENT.

also zombie ron paul 2016

dayman, ahhhhahhhhhhhhhhh fighter of the night man

I think we can stop now.

no

Rage Against the Machine used to be the shit

oh you silly americans

Morello's statement rules!

Guys, this is like old news. Last week old, or something.

Yes, Tom is being a melodramatic dick. Yes, he has every right to do so, even if Paul Ryan is a big fan, because he completely disagrees with him.

"Roughly 200 comments when all that would have sufficed is "lol America'?"

lol that's what I was thinking

"god i'm glad i'm a canadian at this moment (i mean we have our own problems...but seriously)"

this

but in all fairness even we're going back a few years in terms of bullshit laws getting passed

xtoxin you are dumb lol

I honestly don't see how not supporting gay marriage makes you a complete anti-gay. Or wanting ID's to vote makes you anti-immigration. People can pile in here all they want to, I just wish they would do it legally and pay taxes, otherwise why should they get to vote on who is in office?

"xtoxin you are dumb lol"

yeah that whole paragraph was pretty much like wtf and I figured it wasn't worth saying anything lol but I caved

also, let me just say that I love some Rage, and I usually disagree with republicans on a lot of issues (and also democrats sometimes), but Morello has always come off as a generalizing fartbag. IDK if anything he claims that this guy is for is true, but just reading his article you would have no idea. either way I'm pretty sure he's slandered/libeled his fair share of people due to his own generalizations.

generalizations are what people use for the most part since it requires the least amount of thinking and just and stirs up so many emotions

Yeah plus he said his parents are genuine yet they are racist and bigoted. Lol

what?! i can't be a good person and hate white folk?

Lol at the people saying "Why are you surprised?"

We aren't surprised. We are saying this dude is a douche for saying what he said how he said (and doing it publicly).

So we blow up sputnik and talk about it

Yep and we talk politics and how they suck here in America

at least he's not as retarded as that dave mustaine guy

"generalizations are what people use for the most part since it requires the least amount of thinking and just and stirs up so many emotions"

exactly my point. also, it's not surprising that this is how Morello states his political opinions, as well as the rhetorical framework that Rage employs in it's music. I can't take him that seriously, even when he states his opinions it still just sounds like entertainment to me.

I guess even (arguably) bad publicity is publicity nonetheless. And RATM is pretty much a dead band these days so maybe he's trying to revitalize the fan base.

lol exactly, Chuck.

I mean shit candidates will give Repubs bad names just like Westboro Baptist Church gives Christians bad names. It is what it is

@Deviant. I dunno about NZ politics (insert sheep in parliament joke) but Australia is near as bad as this atm. I'm pretty ashamed.

But lol america, glad I don't live there

Captain North, One thing I am starting to realize is that yeah, it is pretty bad everywhere these days. Everybody has issues we just don't hear about it all on the news

"I mean shit candidates will give Repubs bad names just like Westboro Baptist Church gives Christians bad names. It is what it is"

well yeah, but that doesn't make generalizations in lieu of informative arguments any less retarded

Depends which news you listened to. One things for sure, neither of us have it as bad as Congo. *shudder*

I'm not arguing with you at all. I was just making a statement

lol

ok

agreed

Yeah, I have a long commute to work so I listen to like a regional radio station for the news and it actually is pretty unbiased. But I only get local and national news. Rarely international if at all.

Shocker, Tom Morello, a well known Liberal, who boycotted the 2008 RNC Convention in Minneapolis, disagrees with Paul Ryan'n politics. What great news

That being said, I'm still glad I don't live in the US. Free healthcare is literally one of the best things ever.

The reason people make generalistic statements is because when someone calls them out on being wrong they cover their ass by sayin it was a generality lol. Classic debating. You can always argue some truth to a general statement. Like when Mark Cuban went on ESPN and ripped Skip Bayless a new one by saying all you do is speak in generalities.

Lol awesome video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkVnlA9CJo

"all you do is speak in generalities"

haha

That video is incredible and I think Mark Cuban has a big mouth but I gained a lot of respect for him by going on the show and confronting them

I'll have to check it out later, I'm at work, no streaming content

That's a bummer. One site I can actually go to at work is youtube and I'm so thankful lol

because only a sith deals in absolutes

1: I have very little love for Romney or Ryan (or, for that matter, Obama), but in my very humble opinion Morello comes off as a bit of a dick in this. This seems to be a common occurrence for RAtM.

2: Everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever music they want, even if the lyrics or the musicians disagree with them. I think that Varg is a total fuckwad, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy HLTO.

3: Disagreeing with someone's politics is one thing, but I don't think it's cool to decide that some opposing politician I've never interacted with is an objectively horrible human being (Ryan might be, of course, but neither I nor Morello have any way of knowing). It also seems like this goes beyond that: with this, Morello is not only slandering Ryan. He's casting a massive blanket over all Republicans. Now, I am not a Republican (I pick and choose issues from both sides), but I used to consider myself one, and in my entire life I have not met a single Republican that acts anything like Morello seems to think they act. While I may disagree with them, they are mostly genuinely good, caring individuals who just happen to have a different perception of right and wrong than I do.

4. Rolling Stone is, like, the worst fucking magazine ever to exist. If I wanted borderline-offensive caricatures of right wing politicians and information on the latest GOP-sponsored atrocity/conspiracy, I wouldn't be reading a God damned music magazine.

In conclusion: Tom Morello is a douche. Freedom of speech is great in that he's totally entitled to say this, but I still find him to be a douche. [2]

Wow, you'd think Morello was running for office. I think Paul Ryan appreciates that Rage Against the Machine is art, and not intended to be battle cries for a political, social movement. If Tom Morello takes his art so seriously, then I don't know how it is that his band can embrace and condone violence, such as in the song "Bullet in the Head."

Another thing that bothers me about Mr. Morello's statements:

Not so long ago, Republican presidential candidates were condemning heavy music as "suggestive" of dangerous acts. Flash forward to the present, here we have a public figure not only granting Rage Against the Machine their artistic license, but also embracing the music as part of free speech.

What bothers me is that the only person who seems to suggest that Rage Against the Machine's music is "suggestive" is Mr. Morello himself. A lot of what Mr. Morello's music talks about is violence and aggression towards others...

Democrats aren't nearly as extreme as Republicans are.

'Honestly I think this is stupid. Why would you publicly lambaste a fan because he has different beliefs than you' - they're not just 'different beliefs', they're brutal beliefs which could end up fucking over tons of people...

morello seems more to be stirring the pot than anything. even though it really doesnt matter, stupid people will consider paul ryan liking rage to be hypocritical, increasing negative public opinion toward him

This is funny


both candidates suck

morello calling people out on being hypocritical doesnt hold a lot of weight with me. i know he supports charities now and then but for a guy who spouts off as much as he does id like to think hed pour more of his wealth into support of his 'beliefs'

@ OllieS

LOL yeah bro. Brootal beeleefs. Point still stands he is a douche.

Yeah I got a laugh out of this when I saw it last week. As usual sputnik's news feed is way behind.

lol America and your "Democracy".

a bullshit generalization made by a jobless liberal stoner

But fuck you if you think he shouldn't speak out his beliefs.

Fuck everything about politics. Tom Morello m/

This is fucking stupid. People aren't allowed to enjoy music with lyrics they don't necessarily agree with? I mean I think there are quite a few people who listen to Slipknot who don't wanna "slit your throat and fuck the wound". Let alone the fact that most Manson fans aren't off worshipping a worm like antichrist creature daily.

This was just Tom Morello being a dick.
I can't stand Romney or Ryan, but this is just silly and a childish slapping contest.

agreed Morello's a buffoon

lmao didn't see that, wow

NAOTY

^ New avatar somehow tops the old one.

well they don't look like they are 15 so that's a plus

one bullet to the head
now you know he dead
dadadadadadadadadada
doodoodoodoodoodoodoo
deedeedeedeedeedeedee

sick bassline bro

This Paul Ryan fellow sure does seem like reality's version of the Office's Gaybe.

@sadandholyglow: You're the idiot who needs to grow up.

I really don't get why people think he's being a dick. He's spent his whole life HATING the sort of ideals that guy holds. If someone who stood for everything I stood against turned out to be a fan of the art I made in order to incite people against someone like him...I'd tell him to get fucked too.

It's beyond a "freedom of religion" type thing. He's a person in a powerful position, able to seriously impact America (and the world). You don't go "yeah, I respect your position" to that. The whole point is you think it's morally, ethically, humanely WRONG.

the point is that, based on what he said, he's (Morello) making character judgements on the guy without backing them up with any kinds of facts. maybe they're true, maybe not, maybe no one knows. everything you said that's supposedly "wrong with this guy" is an assumption that he is wanting you to jump to from his article without proof.

He's not a fucking academical writer. I dunno, it felt like it was kind of assumed you already knew about him.

did you? (talking about Paul Ryan right?)

Good Lord in heaven

okay now he's even worse than MittRyan

I know I'm bringing up something from the first page (lol how did this blow up so quickly), but to those who think Republicans are anti-poor, I would ask this...

would you be in favor of drug testing being a requirement to receive welfare-related aid?

i would be in favor of it, and i smoke a lot of weed and some psychadelics rarely

yea I mean I've voted Dem in the two presidential elections I was old enough for, and I am no stranger to the Devil's Lettuce, but I definitely think drug testing should be a requirement.

a lot of Dems/liberals don't think so though, so I wanted to inquire as to how the Sputnik-left felt about the issue...

Just wanted to say one more time I love Tom Morello

i don't know if i consider myself sputnik-left as i agree with views from multiple sides. i don't really see the logic for opposition of drug testing for wellfare. The whole point of welfare is to supplement a person/family's income while work is being sought out right? Considering a vast majority of jobs drug test now, it seems like a reasonable measure in controlling welfare payouts.

"Grow up, Morello. He should be honored or at least should be able to laugh at the fact that such a staunchly conservative person enjoys their music. Everything with Rage has to be political. Grow up, lighten up... I that there are issues that they feel strongly about and they want to share their opinion whenever they get the chance, but you could set that bias aside for one second to appreciate a fan. Rage was made with the intent of sharing their politics, but still. C'mon Morello. That's really not necessary."


Grow up and grow up to write and something more legible than.

Well I think you could make similar arguments about people who smoke and receiving government funded healthcare. Considering there is irrefutable evidence that smoking can cause cancer why should the government pay for a smoking related illness? When it was your choice to smoke? I mean we can why and what if all day

"I really don't get why people think he's being a dick. He's spent his whole life HATING the sort of ideals that guy holds. If someone who stood for everything I stood against turned out to be a fan of the art I made in order to incite people against someone like him...I'd tell him to get fucked too.

It's beyond a "freedom of religion" type thing. He's a person in a powerful position, able to seriously impact America (and the world). You don't go "yeah, I respect your position" to that. The whole point is you think it's morally, ethically, humanely WRONG."

...and maybe he doesn't want some right wing jerkwater prick using his music to make him appear cooler to the fence sitters. There is a lot for him to be offended by here.

You can be offended and not make a public douche bag statement. All he did was stoop to a low level. That's the point that is being reiterated here.

I disagree, I feel he nipped the BS in the bud.

What BS was there to nip? It is just one dude's beliefs. Many conservative catholics agree with his beliefs so that makes them all bull shitters? The first paragraph quoted is perfectly sufficient but then he goes on to be a sarcastic dick.

And as has been stated his whole he's anti- this this and this is greatly overexaggerating how he actually is. There is no denying he's hardcore conservative but still

wait, i'm not sure what point you were trying to get across. are you saying you DO believe that people should get free healthcare even while smoking and causing their own illness? cause i agree with all your hypotheticals

I kind of see both sides, and they can both say what they want. With regards to this specific event/issue, we're just talking about words, right? I mean, I get that it's stupid for Ryan say something like "I like RATM's sound, but not their lyrics." That's like saying I dig the Bible because of the storytelling, but don't like the message. I read the Bible just because I enjoy tales of life a couple thousand years ago."

at the same time, Ryan can listen to and say whatever he wants, I doubt he gives a shit if Tom Morello is ok with it or not.

No I don't think they should. Just like people should get drug tested to be eligible for welfare. Why should somebody be treated with tax payer money for something they did to themselves?

werd indeed. i'd guess a typical response to that on the internet would be something along the lines of "i pay taxes, so i paid for my healthcare".

The idea of social healthcare is that all people no matter what their situation deserve to receive the best care available no matter how dumb they may or may not be. You can't pick and choose. If you have a problem with it then you are probably against it. Cigarettes are legal, those people have done nothing wrong.

I personally don't think someone who has worked their entire life should have to choose between financial ruin or not getting appendages reattached. particularly when the technology is clearly there to keep that person a healthy productive member of society.

"What BS was there to nip?"
Feel free to use your scroll wheel. It isn't that far. ;^)

Which they are perfectly at justice to do.... except that some don't pay taxes at all. And if you are going to make that argument then we could say ok... why even have government subsidized healthcare if you're gonna conclude "I paid for it myself" anyway via taxes. That way before they give you coverage they should check and see if you paid your taxes and how much you've paid. Which is just stupid.

It's the same issue with public school. Parents who send kids to private school (albeit by choice) are also in theory paying for other people's kids to go to school too via taxes. But at least school > healthcare for someone being a moron. But I would be ok with government healthcare paying for someone's rehab to get off of drugs and or smoking for sure. Just not an illness related to their activity. Should the government pay more for NFL athletes who beat their brains out daily? No

tl;dr I know sorry

yea I definitely wasn't trying to imply that I'm against socialized healthcare...


but I'm definitely in favor of testing for illegal drugs as a requirement for welfare.

turntable.fm/mangasm

Get in here you chodes

Omni that's the problem with it though. It has been studied and proven that the government spends millions and millions of Medicare Medicaid money on treatments and life support for people that simply won't get better. Period. I mean I'll be the first to agree that there is no perfect system because not everyone will ever agree, but there has to be limits. Should medical insurance be available to all regardless of their current health situation? absolutely. But we're in so much fucking debt as it is WITHOUT government subsidized healthcare. It is just gonna get worse. Either debt gets worse or taxes do.

"turntable.fm/mangasm

Get in here you chodes"

I'm in... your avatar convinced me.

And as for Paul Ryan's motives for saying I like RATM you don't know them so don't say he's BSing. He could simply be stating I like this music. He could also be saying I'm openminded (whether that's true or not). I mean I listen to tons of stuff where the lyrics are directly in conflict with my beliefs. Doesn't mean I hate the vocalist

Sorry Rec, the computer I'm on won't let me

I have two points for you nash... well not for you specifically but in general. I make more than most people on this site simply by virtue of being older and having been in the work force longer. I would gladly pay a much higher percentage of my income to assure both your and my future as happy healthy Americans.

Also... no matter what you think about "Obamacare" I don't even care if it fails because something needed to happen. Continuing on the same failing track just means you will fail eventually. In my mind doing nothing is a much larger crime than trying something... even if it's not perfect. If it fails wand we go back to the old system but improvements are made then I will consider it a job well done.

They've tried drug testing in Florida and it just ended up costing the state a whole bunch of money with no results. I'd rather put that money towards something useful.

I completely agree with you. Something needs to be done. I think Obamacare has many upsides. They just need to fix some things first

Also I think many Republicans are opposed to being taxed more for others' healthcare is because I know many republicans are Christians and they give money freely to the church and to other charities to help aid people's health. But then if you turn around and make it a law that they have to give more for it then they are gettin doubled up ya know? I mean it's an endless circle for sure

Well if they go by the arbitrary percentage that churches recommend you put in the plate then they will have to give a lot less considering the net income will be so much lower. =^D

"Sorry Rec, the computer I'm on won't let me"

Use google chrome.

Haha ok ok. Between this and your avatar I'm exhausted.

I'm at work and it won't let me. Not a browser problem

"Also I think many Republicans are opposed to being taxed more for others' healthcare is because I know many republicans are Christians and they give money freely to the church and to other charities to help aid people's health. But then if you turn around and make it a law that they have to give more for it then they are gettin doubled up ya know? I mean it's an endless circle for sure"

Money on a plate is not going to help people who get cancer and shit and need actual healthcare

yea too long for now nash, leaving work, will read later; but just wanted to make clear that i agree with you, was just putting out a typical msn argument response.

Oh because you know how every church in America is run? No. You don't. And secondly did you miss and to other charities? Lurn ta reed Roburt

I like turtles

I have a perfect retort for that but seeing as how what it is could actually be true and then be super offensive I will refrain lol

Nah I don't get offended don't worry, I already said something offensive so we'll be even

I'm still not gonna have this conversation with you because in general you take things beyond debates into personal territory so I'll pass. (and it is because you don't get offended so you assume others don't either)

Trebor17: This Time It's Personal

Lol and you also never fail at being retarded to the point of amazing humor

You do get that I'm like doing a thing all the time right
And how the hell can I get personal with people I don't even know irl

"Money on a plate is not going to help people who get cancer and shit and need actual healthcare"

That's not entirely true but if they aren't a member of said church then any help would be extremely limited.

"Fuck churches, how is charity going to help people that need healthcare"

You do realize the Catholic Church funds and runs nearly 40% of the US's hospitals right?

sources or get the fuck out

Because when you come in and say stuff unwarranted like "Fuck churches" you step on toes. And I realize for internet talk that isn't even really a big deal but for some that is offensive. And what if you were provoked and then went further than saying stuff like that? It could get out of hand (e.g. the Chick-fil-A thread that day that got deleted - not saying that was your fault just an example of things getting out of hand)

I'm just making points because I generally like civil debates and getting to know both sides of the equation instead of being narrow minded

sources or get the fuck out [2]

"You do realize the Catholic Church funds and runs nearly 40% of the US's hospitals right?"

I bet you think they do this because it's the right thing to do too.

@JWT155

That's why I'm trying not to argue with Trebor because he doesn't always know what he is talking about lol

ok I'm sorry about the f churches thing I'll edit it out, I haven't had lunch yet and I'm quite grumpy you must understand

My bad, only 12.6%, http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/03/01/Obama-Risks-$100-Billion-if-
Catholic-Hospitals-Close.aspx

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Health_Association_of_the_United_States

Not 40% but here was a site I found just off a simple google search:

http://www.nativeshop.org/news/iwrw/105-updates/735-catholic-church.html

What can I say, everyone likes to exaggerate

"ok I'm sorry about the f churches thing I'll edit it out, I haven't had lunch yet and I'm quite grumpy you must understand"

Shit bro why didn't you say so I'd be talking about rolling heads if I hadn't eaten yet

fuck yall

Only if we use protection, gotta play it safe

lol it says that catholic health care group supports obama's health care stuff and the catholic church got mad at them cuz abortions or something

KILL is here time to stop being serious

nash is here time to not act homophobic!

Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache.
Things learned from this thread,
-Tom is an idiot.
-All you true blue democrats are idiots.
-All you right wing republicans are idiots.
-NEVER EVER BRING UP POLITICS ON SPUTNIKMUSIC!!!

I need 2k comments just for kicks and I wanna see a news article on Sput hit 3 pages. So we can talk about making paper mache elephants and listening to RATM while we vote for Ron Paul idc

*whisper

Just give him some junz and he'll go away.

im voting for ron paul!

"Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache.
Things learned from this thread,
-Tom is an idiot.
-All you true blue democrats are idiots.
-All you right wing republicans are idiots.
-NEVER EVER BRING UP POLITICS ON SPUTNIKMUSIC!!!"



Nice, now got write an essay about it and get back to us when you are done.

Why are you reading if it is giving you a headache? Go elsewhere. That headache could turn into a migraine and we all know healthcare aint free.

And KILL I most certainly am not homophobic lol I have gay friends (inb4 oh I bet you do fag)

*Facepalm*

we need socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111121

Anyone who is naive enough to believe that one political party, ideology or candidate is better on every issue and stance then another is just that, naive. Period.

"Oh my God, you people are giving me such a rediculous headache."

"you people are giving me such a rediculous headache"

"such a rediculous headache"

"rediculous"

It's ok.... we are the idiots.

Hell. yes. Trolls are out, let's get this thread off topic.

My mistake. I was typing fast. But my point still stands.

Damn commie bastards

communism worked so well for france didnt it wow idoit

boy am i glad this thread isn't in "my discussions"

wait fuck.

We need hybrids

Hahahaha this thread

jesus christ almost 400 comments

keep it going guys, lets see if we can take this shitty political arguement to 1k

did anyone notice how gay the news headline is whats up with that? oh right andcas nvm

WeepingBanana.

Ah the irony.

if hans was still here we'd get 1k easy


THEY WANT OUR GUNS