Toondude10: So...Justice League

Toondude10 11.16.17	I'll probably still see it but at this point I'm not really expecting much.
Papa Universe 11.16.17	Yeah, it's... DC being DC...
Davil667 11.16.17	That's quite a fitting statement tbh.
LethalPaintball 11.16.17	figured it'd end up somewhere between 40 and 60 on RT quite frankly i think dc is forgetting that prior to avengers we had solo films for each of the heroes, so they didn't really need to be developed at that point
Dewinged 11.16.17	I just can't stomach Ben Affleck as Batman.
MO 11.16.17	looks like total garbage lmao
osmark86 11.16.17	are people getting tired of the same superhero movie getting produced year in and year out? it's practically full on plagiarism at this point.
Davil667 11.16.17	"I just can't stomach Ben Affleck as Batman." Absolutely, he has a pretty potent emetic effect on me.
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	Yeah seeing affleck play Batman after Bale smashed it out of the park is really underwhelming
MO 11.16.17	"are people getting tired of the same superhero movie getting produced year in and year out?" I was over this bullshit formula after the first thor movie. it's the same goddamn thing over and over and over to the point that there are no more stakes. oh well we did the world being in danger, how about the universe!!?!?! it's just all the same, I enjoyed the captain america flicks because itactually dealt with character struggles and not just destroying the planet. based on the trailer for justice league they are fighting a war with giant insect things? like I have no more shits to give on these superhero movies anymore it's outstayed it's welcome
bloc 11.16.17	I saw the poster for the latest Thor movie and laughed my ass off
BlackwaterPork 11.16.17	None of the Thor movies are very good
Divaman 11.16.17	New one is supposed to be. I'm seeing it this weekend.
Davil667 11.16.17	"None of the Thor movies are very good" Ah, don't know. I enjoyed both parts quite a lot tbh. Fun action movies. Looking forward to the new one.
TVC15 11.16.17	The new Thor movie is def the best one of the three so far but it was basically a discount Guardians of the Galaxy
neekafat 11.16.17	DC trying to do Marvel with none of the right intentions Ragnarok was dope
Davil667 11.16.17	Good to hear TVC and neek, I will probably enjoy it pretty much then. Plus Cate Blanchett always presses the right buttons with me somehow :]
robotmagician 11.16.17	why is zack snyder still being given the opportunity to make movies?
TheTripP 11.16.17	I am excited to see it tonight. Fans are really enjoying it so I have high hopes. I am also the few that enjoyed BVS and MoS.
NastyCrab 11.16.17	I really enjoyed the new Thor but the first two movies are pretty lackluster. Taika Waititi can basically do no wrong in my eyes.
theNateman 11.16.17	Yeah ragnarok is honestly top 5 marvel films
Devastator 11.16.17	Seeing it for 5 bucks tonight because of student night with some friends and man are we excited..... To shit on this movie.
NorwichScene 11.16.17	New Thor is brilliant! Seeing JL next week
DarkSideOfLucca 11.16.17	"Yeah ragnarok is honestly top 5 marvel films" Hell yeah dude, I just saw it last weekend and was very impressed. My life is going to be ALL about The Punisher starting tomorrow though.
Trebor. 11.16.17	New Thor is good because Taika Waititi is a god tier director
TheSonomaDude 11.16.17	i figured it would be less insufferable than BvS but would still suck. looks like i'm right.
Trebor. 11.16.17	I might see it cuz I get to see everything for free, but yeah it's gonna be shit
ckypro3 11.16.17	im upset that its apparently not great, but im a huge DC fan so i will see it because its finally a live action justice league, which ive been waiting for my whole life.
SitarHero 11.16.17	Ragnarok and WW were both good, though I thought the Spider-Man: Homecoming was better than either. But at least they were all fun movies with relatable characters who they actually got you to care for rather than trying to distract you from paper-thin characters and plots with CGI action. Let's hope Justice League manages to tap into some of that.
zaruyache 11.16.17	Zack Snyder's done so here's hoping the next films will be better, even with all the upcoming Flashpoint/Affleck getting retconned nonsense.
Toondude10 11.16.17	from the looks of it it's probably going to be on par with BvS and Suicide Squad
BallsToTheWall 11.16.17	Yeah ragnarok is honestly top 5 marvel films (2) I jumped out of my seat when Mike woke up.
brainmelter 11.16.17	everyone knew this would be sub-par, even the DC fanboys
foxblood 11.16.17	Affleck can never be batman regardless of how much he believes he can achieve the respect and gravitas necessary for the character. he's laughable as batman unfortunately
Futures 11.16.17	james wan aquaman will be good.
foxblood 11.16.17	hope so i like james wan
wwf 11.16.17	all the jokey stuff in the justice league trailers is just awful and embarrassing ngl not looking forward to seeing it next week but I am looking forward to the RLM review
Sinternet 11.16.17	>superhero movies
Rigma 11.16.17	[2]
Futures 11.16.17	tfw v intellectual
zaruyache 11.16.17	Yeah ragnarok is honestly top 5 marvel films [3]
Toondude10 11.16.17	"Affleck can never be batman regardless of how much he believes he can achieve the respect and gravitas necessary for the character. he's laughable as batman unfortunately" rumor has it that Jake Gyllenhaal might replace him
swipenet 11.16.17	F that, they should cast Jonah Hill for Batman. He might be small but he I'm sure he can get/stay in shape for the role. Obv a semi-joke
wwf 11.17.17	I can't take Gyllenhaal seriously ever He's just got the face of a psychopath
zaruyache 11.17.17	He's a great actor but no stay tf away from Batman.
swipenet 11.17.17	Cast Armie Hammer
kris. 11.17.17	it was fine it's like one of those bad movies that you put on during a lazy afternoon because there's nothing on big dumb kinda fun action and i fucking loathed bvs for the record
zaruyache 11.17.17	"Armie Hammer" that's who people wanted last time.
swipenet 11.17.17	Oh shit, I probably should have read anything about this. Not surprised he was considered for it though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	just saw it. it was fine. i don't have much to say about it. its obviously not as bad as the harshest critics are saying and its not as good as the biggest dc fans are saying either. there is a double standard towards dc movies by viewers and critics alike (understandably so after zach tried to force so much heavy-handed politics and religion into man of steel, bvs, and even ended up in ww in a different way) where obviously they cant completely trash a huge female led superhero blockbuster in todays PC climate where you'll probably be called a sexist for it, i can't imagine reviews will ever be very good for dc movies that aren't subjectified by identity politics. what i mean is that justice league is better than bvs and suicide squad obviously and its just as good as wonder woman if you forget about the politics wonder woman plot was even safer and more inoffensive than JL (which is multitudes safer than mos and bvs). if u don't read the comics the villains motivations will probably be frustratingly unclear, which is a trend dc has. lots of fanservice, not much to chew on for anyone who isn't a comic buff other than a decent action flick. steppenwolf was indeed not a great villain, but he was less offensively terrible compared to many previous dc villains (enchantress, doomsday, lex, fucking ares) not to mention some marvel villains as well. i think they just avoided fucking up the villain entirely by picking a villain who nobody really gives a fuck about but leaves some good implications for dc to take their time on getting darkseid right. at this point, imo, neither marvel nor dc universes have had a very good villain yet. so im non plussed about them focusing on the new characters and essentially giving the exact role he should play from a comic perspective anyway: a powerful unrelatable exiled despot who is actually pretty much a little bitch to darkseid. so godspeed dc plz dont fuck up darkseid otherwise you are on the right path, this and wonder woman are easily the two least offensively convoluted movies so far.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	and marvel made a good choice by leaving their worst character in the best hands possible in thor ragnarok. i got a little antsy and bored by the final act of that one but it was taika and it was dope.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	what dc should do is actually spend time with darkseids origins before even having him come in contact with the league. he has a pretty dope story and i think the only reasons villains have been so weak in both universes is that they haven't spent enough time focusing on them.d
kris. 11.17.17	"neither marvel nor dc universes have had a very good villain yet" idk man. i really liked Zemo and Ego. those were really well done imo
Toondude10 11.17.17	don't forget Loki
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.17.17	I hated zemo and ego both, zemo especially, loki is ok altho basically an anti hero now
SitarHero 11.18.17	I like Tom Hiddleston and Loki, but it pisses me off that he's become an antihero in the MCU when he's basically a war criminal.
someguest 11.18.17	another month, another dumbass comic book movie
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.18.17	is there one for next month for me to hurl my scene points at?
neekafat 11.18.17	Just saw it, 3/5
someguest 11.18.17	it's nothing personal. I just shun any film with a savior complex.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.18.17	"Just saw it, 3/5" agreed. its pleasantly un-aggitating for the most part, which is unusual for superhero films these days. not much more than that but yeah. certainly pleasantly un-aggitating lol. @someguest oh i know, that wasnt a rhetorical question
Devastator 11.20.17	It's not god awful but its still mediocre at best. I also hate The Flash with a burning passion in this movie.
Satellite 11.20.17	i still have a headache from watching man of steel justice league looks like it might be the dumbest thing ever made by man
JAV 11.20.17	Snyder has been dropping massive shits lately, they need someone else to make these movies. Not sure what's up with Whedon's writing on this, I expect better from him.
Satellite 11.20.17	snyder's always been a terrible director. i genuinely think he might be slightly retarded.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	"justice league looks like it might be the dumbest thing ever made by man" civil war, iron man 3, homecoming, spiderman 1-3, amazing spiderman 2, daredevil, catwoman, electra, thor 1 and 2, age of ultron, suicide squad, green lantern, x3, wolverine origins, hulk. bitch, plz.
Satellite 11.20.17	amazing spidermen come close for sure. those movies struck me as snyderesque in their stupidity. only other one i saw from that list is civil war, which was pretty fucking dumb, yeah. not a comic book movie fan tho, with a few exceptions.
Satellite 11.20.17	actually i saw the green lantern too but that's a memory i'd rather not revisit.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	i think there are better ways of criticizing snyders filmography than calling him retarded after suffering a 3rd massive crippling blow to the ego, being made the laughing-stock of hollywood by rotton tomatoes critics, after literally having to leave the film because his daughter killed herself. the dudes life sucks enough as is without being diagnosed with 'retardation' by the internet medical association
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	but either way ur entitled to your opinion, i think his visual aesthetic is pretty much made for dc films, he just tries to inject too much intellectual content into his movies and given the material that can sometimes come off real heavy handed and cringy at times. im ok with him taking the back seat with dc and just being a producer or some shit.
Satellite 11.20.17	i didn't read the fucking guy's biography, pots. he just comes off as dumb, both in interviews and through his work. that sucks about his daughter, had no idea. i'm pretty sure some asshole calling him dumb on a music website isn't going to hurt his feelings, though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	my feelings would be pretty hurt if i was repeatedly made the dunce of hollywood and my daughter killed herself while i was dedicating my life to a series of movies critically panned and loathed by the entire film review industry instead of paying attention to her.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	i didnt read his bio either btw it was pretty huge news, Joss Whedon had to step in to take over post production for him because he needed to spend time with his fam
Divaman 11.20.17	Just saw Thor: Ragnorok, and while I enjoyed it, they went a little too far in the comedic direction for my taste. I'll see Justice League, but I'm kind of dreading how much of a mess it might be. I vote for Catwoman as the worst super-hero film ever made.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	im sure if patty jenkins made justice league identity politics would work their grubby little fingers all up on that shit and it would be much more well received
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	@diva its not a mess, its a very very straight forward film.
hobblepot 11.20.17	I don't care about superhero films anymore, never liked any of the MCU, the DCU is just as bad. Greedy films, they spend billions on them, and they're all the same
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.20.17	lol greedy films. welcome to hollywood?
foxblood 11.20.17	i haven't seen a super hero film i thought was worth a shit in over 10 years. they're such cookie cutter generic hollow romps that feel more like a corporate check lists that will include as many elements that will statistically prove likable to the most people possible. they keep churning em out and people keep consuming them. not unique to comic book movies, it's hollywood. and god don't get me started on my hatred for the dark knight movies.
JAV 11.20.17	They have become way too samey, the genre needs something fresh to revitalize it.
Tyler. 11.20.17	i would make a good spiderman tbh
JAV 11.20.17	Make it happen, get rich, get bitches
Divaman 11.20.17	Might wind up liking it. Liked Batman v Superman and Man of Steel better than a lot of other people.
ryu 11.20.17	Thor Ragnarok was a lock for best comedy of the year before I'd even seen it. Those Civil War teasers that Taika made were a tease and I was just stoked that Ragnarok met my high expectations and they let Taika do his thing. "Piss of ghost" is the funniest movie quote of 2017 for me.
ryu 11.20.17	Affleck as Batman is up there with Leto as Joker and Eisenberg as Luther as the worst casting mistakes of all time.
Satellite 11.20.17	56 year old tobey maguire as peter parker has to be up there
zaruyache 11.20.17	justice league woulda been like a passable 6/10 if the CGI hadn't looked like absolute trash the e n t i r e movie. But as is it just kinda felt like one of those movies you sit through on TV because you're too lazy to do anything else. Ragnarok still best movie tho agreed.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"56 year old tobey maguire as peter parker has to be up there" lmaooo
Divaman 11.21.17	Probably liked Logan best of all the 2017 superhero/comic book films.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	hey so out of curiosity how come dc get so much hate for having bad cgi when marvel like 20 movies deep and hulk still look like shit and thanos look like a halo cut-scene? are there hollywood movies with good cgi? is good cgi even a thing? it all looks fake in every blockbuster ever to me
Futures 11.21.17	^^^
Satellite 11.21.17	i'd argue pixar movies are a good example of cgi, but i know that's not what you're talking about.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	at least everything else in the dc films looks surreal enough to be in a comic book, every marvel movie that hasnt happened in space looks like the comic book adaptation of pouring cement
Satellite 11.21.17	using cgi on people and everyday environments will always look like absolute dogshit, regardless of how far the technology advances.
Futures 11.21.17	i like a lot of marvel stuff but it is really bland cinematography. they all look the same
MO 11.21.17	"hey so out of curiosity how come dc get so much hate for having bad cgi when marvel like 20 movies deep and hulk still look like shit and thanos look like a halo cut-scene? are there hollywood movies with good cgi? is good cgi even a thing? it all looks fake in every blockbuster ever to me" waht seems to be happening is since Marvel did it first they are exempt from criticism...unlike DC
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	@sat pretty much, at least the bad cgi here doesn't clash with the rest of the universes aesthetic, the bad cgi in marvel films (outside of ragnarok, gotg 1+2, and doctor strange) is just exasperated by how clinical and desaturated everything else around it is
Satellite 11.21.17	i can't get past the blueish tint on marvel films. it's baffling that they use it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"waht seems to be happening is since Marvel did it first they are exempt from criticism...unlike DC" pretty much what the entire debate boils down to yeah lmao
foxblood 11.21.17	^^^[2]
neekafat 11.21.17	Marvel did it better, DC's just copying albeit without much success
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"i can't get past the blueish tint on marvel films. it's baffling that they use it." i was watching a video about the cameras or techniques they used for all the marvel films before gotg and there is no pure black in any of those films, its all just grey scale, so it makes everything look industrial and washed out and theres no contrast. gotg was the first to use some new cutting edge cameras or sum shit and boy can u tell. i think we wont be seeing as much of that from marvel anymore, altho homecoming managed to have a pretty bland pallet as well.
neekafat 11.21.17	Sat you're telling me that 70% of this film didn't have a blueish tint? I'll admit it's ugly tho
neekafat 11.21.17	Easily worst comic-book villain I've ever seen tho
Futures 11.21.17	almost every marvel villain is just as forgettable and bland
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"Marvel did it better" marvel has like a grand total of 3 films that arent complete rubbish
Futures 11.21.17	man of steel is better than almost every marvel movie
Satellite 11.21.17	lol no man of steel is legitimately one of the worst things ever made by humans
neekafat 11.21.17	Actually yeah Man of Steel is great I'll agree with you there @Lorde and Dc has done....?
Futures 11.21.17	hmmm don't think so
neekafat 11.21.17	You guys are just starting to sound like all the edgy film students I have to deal with on a daily basis
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"Easily worst comic-book villain I've ever seen tho" at least he's comics accurate quick list of villains that were not only terrible, but completely debauched by marvel: the mandarin, abomination, the leader, thanos, surtur, electra, ego, ronan, kilgrave, malekith, zemo, vulture, crossbones, dormammu, davos, iron monger, aldrich killian, yellow jacket, shocker, tinkerer etc etc
neekafat 11.21.17	quick list of villains that were completely debauched by marvel, but not terrible: the mandarin, abomination, the leader, thanos, surtur, electra, ego, ronan, kilgrave, malekith, zemo, vulture, crossbones, dormammu, davos, iron monger, aldrich killian, yellow jacket, shocker, tinkerer etc etc
Futures 11.21.17	you're telling me malekith was good? lmao he was like the same as steppenwolf
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"Actually yeah Man of Steel is great I'll agree with you there @Lorde and Dc has done....?" well you literally just named one, then wonder woman, and out of the rest u can pick whichever out of opinion that you want, i liked justice league moderately so thats my 3rd. now dcu has 5 films total? and marvel has 37? you do the math.
neekafat 11.21.17	Jk abomination, malekith, and aldrich Killian were terrible
neekafat 11.21.17	Lorde jesus I was just asking which ones you liked, not what I thought were good
neekafat 11.21.17	Malekith is the only Marvel villain about as bad as this guy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"You guys are just starting to sound like all the edgy film students I have to deal with on a daily basis" i sense defensiveness
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"Lorde jesus I was just asking which ones you liked, not what I thought were good" and i answered.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"Malekith is the only Marvel villain about as bad as this guy" aside from the mandarin, abomination, the leader, thanos, surtur, electra, ego, ronan, kilgrave, malekith, zemo, vulture, crossbones, dormammu, davos, iron monger, aldrich killian, yellow jacket, shocker, tinkerer etc etc yeah
Futures 11.21.17	yellow jacket was pretty bad
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	list of good marvel villains so far:
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	but dc has a villain problem with its 5 movies
Futures 11.21.17	zod was better than almost every marvel villain. michael shannon rules and that role is actually memorable
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	zod was better than all of them yeah. outside of him dc has been just as poor with the villains as marvel just yet but we'll see.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	aries was a monumental let down
neekafat 11.21.17	"i sense defensiveness" only out of frustration and exasperation
ArsMoriendi 11.21.17	Cyborg is cool and all, but why no Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern? I know people were all meh about Reynold's Hal Jordan, but why not John Stewart?
neekafat 11.21.17	Genuinely good Marvel villains: The Vulture, Obidiah Stane, Loki (mostly), Ultron, Hela wasn't bad, I liked Zemo but I know I shouldn't, he was just everything that Lex should've been in BvS Genuinely good DC villains: Yeah just Zod pretty much
ArsMoriendi 11.21.17	I haven't seen it, but I'll probably catch it on TV eventually
neekafat 11.21.17	Cyborg and Wonder Woman were not only the only really interesting characters, but the only really solid performances
ArsMoriendi 11.21.17	"Genuinely good DC villains: Yeah just Zod pretty much" The Joker from The Dark Knight?
zaruyache 11.21.17	OK fine the CGI of most big movies isn't that great, but compared to DC Marvel's stuff is still fantastic. They have some bad work, but then some really good work, whereas basically everything DC's done so far has been meh-to-bad. Seemed like most of the shots in JL used CGI including a lot of really obvious backgrounds, like when [spoiler] comes back and the JL is all standing in the city, and it's like in The Room when you can clearly tell the skyline is a green screen for no reason at all. And Cyborg looked like garbage in every single shot, too.
Futures 11.21.17	Obidiah Stane, Ultron lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"only out of frustration and exasperation" i mean u callin us film school edgelords for not swallowing the whole rotten tomatoes pill... come on now. preference comes down to a matter of opinion and other personal associations at this point. both universes are guilty of the exact same crimes, im sorry, but its true.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	@zaru meh cyborg didnt bother me much but yes there were a couple very obvious background cgi scenes in jl. i have liked some of dc's backdrop work tho, and obviously marvels has been good in their space adventures. but lets face it that the full on cgi characters in both look not so great
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	that exact scene u were describing zaru is the one that i noticed as well. i chose to overlook the smaller offences tho as i feel for zach and him having to abandon the film because of his daughter. that stuff definitely hurt the film but i thought it held it together well enough in the end despite all odds.
Futures 11.21.17	he could've delayed it until next year but he wanted them to finish it at least that's what i heard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	yeah theres a lot of hearsay about it. ive heard that he regrets not getting to finish it
neekafat 11.21.17	Disagree, Lorde. They both have faults but they are def not the same
Futures 11.21.17	why not? you still haven't explained
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	im all ears
neekafat 11.21.17	Let me get to that once I finish my essay on Tree of Life lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	i mean they may have opposite problems in the same fields sometimes. like they both have tonal problems but not the same tonal problems.
mifzal 11.21.17	you could tell from the trailer that it's gonna be bad. DC animation is way better
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	you can tell by the way that it is! "DC animation is way better" DC animation has a fucking amazing rep and track record but lately theyve been having more misses than usual :/
TheSpaceMan 11.21.17	judas contract was awesome cause Slade voiced by Miguel Ferrer
mifzal 11.21.17	you know the films are crap when a show like Gotham gets the DC tone right. and I hate Gotham
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	i didnt like judas contract that much but now that i know that miguel voiced slade i feel bad that i didnt like it that much he was deffs the best part tho
TheSpaceMan 11.21.17	i really liked it but i also love the teen titans, the original judas contract comic is really good. they left out slades back story in the movie which was one of the better parts of the arc ):
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	ah im the opposite, i never cared for teen titans much. not many intriguing or relatable characters for me personally. but deathstroke is always awesome.
TheSpaceMan 11.21.17	aww shame but yeah deathstroke is a badass villain. raven is super cool to me, literally the daughter of satan but wants to be good. and nightwing is sick. idk i've always thought they had the most interesting superhero team dynamic (heavy claim)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	i love nightwing outside of the teen titans of course. but yeah eh, the rest of the cast doesnt do much for me
neekafat 11.21.17	Alright so basically I think the main problem between Marvel and DC comes down to characters: Marvel starts with the characters. They build them from the ground up and make the audience care for them and understand their goals and mindset. It's not some brilliant formula or something that should be etched in stone for the ages, but they're exceptionally good at doing it well and doing it right. DC has done this right from time to time too, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman I'd argue both are their best films because they start with those characters and work their way up. BvS and Suicide Squad however? Nada. All we know about characters like Batman and Harley Quinn are our preconceived notions of their characters from all the other pop-culture we've consumed. We're thrown into plots before we even know who we're cheering for, and they try to cram in exposition far too late in the game to make up for it, leaving us with a cluttered mess. That's really just a simplification but I think that's a major difference between the two in general
Futures 11.21.17	so you need another batman origin story? no. batman needs no introduction. he's batman.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	ok you see it that way but the way i see it is that the large majority of marvels characters have extremely glossed over origins, and the motives behind each heroes decisions get more and more ambiguous as the films continuously build more and more tie-ins to each other. captain america, thor, and iron man, are the only ones who have had extensive backstory yet. in the dcu superman has a 3 film arch so far and batman and wonder woman have both had multi-movie archs. and the other 3 have cameo'd. thats far more extensive than the set up for a vast number of characters that have been getting pumped into the marvel universe. so we think they both have had problems and successes with the characters, our opinion just differs on which cases we consider the successes.
neekafat 11.21.17	Batman has no arch Wonder Woman kinda has an arch Superman's motivation changes every movie I just don't get why a movie focusing on one character can't set that character up adequately, do your really see no difference between GotG and Suicide Squad? At the least, Marvel pays more attention to the arcs making sense in terms of the defined character rather than whatever the fuck DC just did with Superman
Futures 11.21.17	superman has an arch that makes sense. mos understanding who he is and his place in the world bvs the earth turns on him and he was to deal with it jl SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS he is a hero who comes back more faithful in humanity it makes a lot of sense and say what you want about bvs but that's a good arch
neekafat 11.21.17	BvS makes no sense sorry Kinda fun movie tho
Futures 11.21.17	ignoring the rest?
neekafat 11.21.17	The rest makes sense, but when you have one movie in the middle of a three movie story arc fucking up the arc... it's not really much of an arc is it?
Futures 11.21.17	how? did you read?
neekafat 11.21.17	BvS is Superman is a moody emo kid who wants to beat the shit out of everyone in his way with no regard for the consequences of his actions
Futures 11.21.17	what?
neekafat 11.21.17	Aight, clearly we didn't see the same movie so
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	"do your really see no difference between GotG and Suicide Squad?" ??? pure conjecture. gotg is much better than suicide squad. not sure what your point is. "Marvel pays more attention to the arcs making sense in terms of the defined character rather than whatever the fuck DC just did with Superman" hawkeye: a dude... who leaves being a superhero to be with his fam... leaves his fam to be a supervillain and GET THROWN IN SUPERJAIIIILLLLL!!!!!!! spider-man: an literal child whom an ex-alcoholic narcissistic middle-aged man decides to throw into a battle with criminal super-soldiers, colossus, heavy artillery, deadly assassins, literally a witch, etc because why not who goes on to successfully wreak destruction and unnecessary violence and injury across his city which is ok with iron man but then its not ok with iron man and then its ok with iron man
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	do u want me to do more cuz i can do all of them im just not sure how many u want me to do before my point is made
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	Black Widow: THE TEAM SLUT... watch her go from being a chick who is into a dude... to being a chick who is into a different dude! to being a chick who is into a really big dude! duuuude!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	like it literally took marvel 4 movies to tell the story of how black widow is a character that indeed exists in marvel comic books, little did you know.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	im not denying that u could make these arguments for tonnes of dcu characters as well... it wouldnt be hard im just saying that im willing to go over every character in the mcu whose motivations and development have been absolutely preposterous just to make it clear that marvel is just as guilty
neekafat 11.21.17	Aight
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	seriously tho its kind of fun i can do more
neekafat 11.21.17	I mean whatever floats your boat, if you seriously think that DCs characters are just as well-thought out as Marvel's in terms of the cinematic universe I don't think there's anything I can do to help you
Futures 11.21.17	i think that means he wants you to do more
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	Marvels tactical battle suits for each superhero have more character development than the heroes themselves
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	it says a lot when your costume has more personality than your character, especially when every costume is just a michael bay military combat suit that gets new racing stripes each movie
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	ant-man: i gotta stop being a criminal so i can see my daughter... i know ill be a criminal!... now i cant see my daughter... ooop now im a hero and i can see my daughter!... but only if im not a criminal anymore ~civil war~ "hey ant man want to be a criminal?" yeah i got nothing better to do, check me into super jail!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	iron man: ok ive been a narcissistic piece of shit for 6 movies but now i have seen a small childs mother and i am now sanctioned by the government to be the moral police. im going to recruit a prepubescent boy to fight escaped war criminals.
neekafat 11.21.17	Lolol this is kinda fun
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	right?? requests??
Futures 11.21.17	thanos
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	since Stark isnt nearly insufferable enough anymore now that he is a child super-soldier pimp and a backstabbing judas we need someone fresh to take the wheel DOCTOR STRANGE this time BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH is a big narcissistic dick! who undergoes quite the character arch throughout his solo film and cameo in ragnarok to become a MAGIC dick
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	thanos the biggest plot point in all of his 3 appearances so far in the mcu is taking his hat off in a poster
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	oh and totally taking shit from a Kree dude who gets taken down by a human and his racoon friend. that truly showed a side of thanos i didnt expect ya know? to be a lil bitch.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	watch GOLD ALIEN BARNEY SOCKFACE as he goes from being A GUY IN A CHAIR to A GUY IN A CHAIR WITH A GLOVE to A GUY IN A CHAIR WITH A GLOVE WITH SOME KIDS to A BALD GUY STANDING OUT OF A CHAIR WITH A GLOVE AND NO HAT ON
neekafat 11.21.17	Now do Superman
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.21.17	do u want me to parody it or do it convincingly
DarkTyler 11.21.17	Please do neither
wwf 11.21.17	'We're thrown into plots before we even know who we're cheering for, and they try to cram in exposition far too late in the game to make up for it, leaving us with a cluttered mess.' actually Suicide Squad was basically the exact opposite, it tells the audience who the characters are in intro scenes for a solid 30-40 minutes before the plot even starts, it takes wayyy too long to get going and then by the time the plot starts, we know everything about the characters but the characters barely even know each other making the whole movie feel repetitive and like nothing is happening
SitarHero 11.21.17	So I just saw the movie. What a mess. It also somehow retroactively made Wonder Woman worse. Yeesh.
Divaman 11.21.17	>The Joker from The Dark Knight? [2] I know we've been talking films, but as far as villains go, the villains from the first two Netflix series were excellent -- Vincent D'Onofrio as Fisk and David Tennant as Kilgrave.
Toondude10 11.21.17	David Tennant is just a great actor overall
Divaman 11.21.17	True. But they also gave him a good character to work with. The thing is, for both of those characters, I understood them from their own point of view, and even felt sympathy for them at times, even though both were thoroughly repulsive human beings.
zaruyache 11.21.17	JJ did a good job making you empathize with Killgrave's backstory.
Davil667 11.22.17	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvFjyAwHxI This just made my day. Movie will be awesome.