anarchistfish: Star Wars Live Action Ranked

anarchistfish 01.28.21	list is dicks
fogza 01.28.21	I didn't like TFA and I am one of the few people who thinks ROTJ is the best Star Wars film, but overall this is a pretty sick rating. Props for being one of the few people to recognise that Solo is actually pretty good.
madrigal30 01.28.21	solo okay, but to put it over rotj?? yike
anarchistfish 01.28.21	shag a teddy bear mate
anarchistfish 01.28.21	seriously though i think solo just functions better as an action movie. Han's depiction in that movie is objectively superior to RotJ... like I said that movie gets by on nostalgia, green lightsaber and the turbulations of vader, much like RotS in a way. Solo you can watch with anyone and have a great time, which is what a Star Wars movie should do imo
CaliggyJack 01.28.21	1. Phantom Menace 2. Empire Strikes Back 3. Rogue One 4. Return of the Jedi 5. Solo 6. A New Hope 7. Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure 8. Force Awakens 9. Madalorian 10. Ewoks: the Battle for Endor 11. Rise of Skywalker 12. Revenge of the Sith 13. Last Jedi 14. That shitty musical.
Emim 01.28.21	Not sure what my ranking would be, but Rogue One would be much higher.
fogza 01.29.21	1. Return of the Jedi 2. Empire Strikes Back 3. A New Hope 4. Solo 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Rogue One 7. Phantom Menace 8. Rise of Skywalker 9. Force Awakens 10. Last Jedi 11. Attack of the clones ----------- Haven't seen the Mandalorian. Don't remember enough about the Ewok movies, saw them when I was a kid. I think they were ok for kids.
Tundra 01.29.21	Revenge of the Sith is unironically the best, only thing that brings the movie down is the stiff acting
Sinternet 01.29.21	"Revenge of the Sith is unironically the best" i didn't think it was possible to make stereotypical djent kid takes in a star wars ranking but damn
unclereich 01.29.21	4 is awful
el_newg 01.29.21	people like rogue one because of vader killin people at the end and that's literally it because there is nothing else in that movie.
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"Haven't seen the Mandalorian" mate you're missing out
LeddSledd 01.29.21	Solo over Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith? What
Sinternet 01.29.21	can we stop this boneheaded reappraisal of revenge of the sith it's so bad, if any of the prequels is worth salvaging it's the phantom menace and mostly because it has some great lore dumps
LeddSledd 01.29.21	no it's funny (mostly bc of the acting) and fun as hell to watch. boneheaded? sure! but it's coherent and beats out any of the hastily slapped-together sequels where nothing makes any sense
Shuyin 01.29.21	Let's keep it simple: Best: Empire Worst: Attack of the Clones Dogshit: Last Jedi
Scheumke 01.29.21	"the prequels is worth salvaging it's the phantom menace and mostly because it has some great lore dumps" + the fantastic score that builds on the original and the podrace which was my favorite part of the movie and the subsequent game one of my favorite games as a kid.
DePlazz 01.29.21	1 and 2 are all that matters
Tundra 01.29.21	The Mandalorion, Revenge of the Sith, and new hope (and/or empire) are my top 3, the ordering is interchangeable, Rogue One ain't too shabby, sequel movies are pretty trash besides Force Awakens
rockandmetaljunkie 01.29.21	Star wars fans are the worst...
nol 01.29.21	Rise of Skywalker is the worst. A lot of the shit you don’t like about Attack of the Clones are that movies better scenes tbh. I like the bowser’s castle side scroller, and then multi-man smash bros at the end, with some boss battles? Lit.
nol 01.29.21	Mandalorian is really not that good.
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"Mandalorian is really not that good." rofl
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	I'll always have nostalgia for the prequels but these days I almost "enjoy" them more for the memes' sake.
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	Mandalorian is kind of overrated (I don't like the "side quest" nature of many of the episodes) but at its best it is some of the strongest Star Wars material.
nol 01.29.21	I really don’t see how at all, I’ve watched most of it. If it was a movie people would hate it.
nol 01.29.21	I think people just like the novelty of it being a show.
anarchistfish 01.29.21	some terrible takes people like it cos the writing is solid and the story is a simple one of this warrior dad and his adopted child. it's accessible, fun to watch, wholesome and more engaging than any other star wars story since the OT
nol 01.29.21	nah they like it cuz hur dur baby yoda
nol 01.29.21	chickie nuggie
nol 01.29.21	some of the writing in that show is Netflix original tier
EoinCofa 01.29.21	I hope Baba Yaga kills Baby Yoda
AlexKzillion 01.29.21	Mando and Clone Wars are better than the actual movies tbh
alamo 01.29.21	easy to rank live actions id like you to try to rank dead actions ^^
Sinternet 01.29.21	i havent seen season 2 yet but i liked season 1 because it was a much more subdued show where you kinda get a glimpse of the average non-superhero lifestyle of those in the galaxy, a good contrast with the bombast of any of the movies also your ratings are netflix original tier
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	I agree the dialogue isn't great most of the time but the storytelling is solid and not like anything we've really seen in on-screen SW material before.
nol 01.29.21	we agree that rogue one is overrated. Mandalorian is rogue one as a show, in terms of quality.
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	Clone Wars after season 1/2 is pretty much peak Star Wars
nol 01.29.21	I bet you all have baby yoda plushes
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	Return of the Jedi is my personal favorite. Say what you will about the Ewoks, but all the shit with Luke, Palpatine, and Vadar is incredible. Honestly, Vadar saving Luke in the end and redeeming himself is a bigger moment than "I am your father" imo.
nol 01.29.21	Ewoks are the OG baby yoda
hel9000 01.29.21	OT is fun, first movies I ever watched. RotJ is pretty shit though. Beyond that I like SW best in a video game context (Dark Forces/Jedi Knight esp). The new movies are garbage imo
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	Haven't even watched the ninth one yet. The Last Jedi was the first movie in my life that has given me a headache just from watching it.
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	Vader's redemption is good but I have to admit that I'm not sure it was really properly earned in the original trilogy. Say what you will for the prequels but they do a lot to fill out Vader's arc and parts of the OT definitely benefit by their existence.
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	@Walrus, you're not missing out, ROS is fucking awful
nol 01.29.21	it’s the bottom of the list
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"some of the writing in that show is Netflix original tier" netflix has some great originals. Better call saul, Dark....maybe stranger things...that's about it but you get my point
Tundra 01.29.21	people actually dislike The Mandalorian, huh, that's a new one, great show through and through
nol 01.29.21	So they have a .2% success rate?
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"Honestly, Vadar saving Luke in the end and redeeming himself is a bigger moment than "I am your father" imo." the music at that moment gives me chills. maybe 6/10 is a bit harsh but I have trouble ranking 7-4
anarchistfish 01.29.21	" I have to admit that I'm not sure it was really properly earned in the original trilogy." good point. Luke thinks he can redeem his father....why tho
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"So they have a .2% success rate?" harsh mate. more like .4%
anarchistfish 01.29.21	star wars never had amazing or intricate writing. was never the point
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"Clone Wars after season 1/2 is pretty much peak Star Wars" clone wars would be 4th on this list probably
nol 01.29.21	i suppose
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"Mandalorian is rogue one as a show, in terms of quality." mandalorian actually has characters and character development
nol 01.29.21	it’s just I feel a lot of the criticisms of the sequel trilogy and spin-offs could be said of mando too, imo. It’s all just Marvel.
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	@Boney I would agree with that. It is definitely made better by some of the parallels between the originals and the second trilogy. Vadar remembering how it felt to be tortured by force lightning, seeing Luke have him at a point of mercy the same way he had Dooku and NOT kill him. Those really add to the emotional impact and provide a reason why he doesn't let Palpatine kill him instead of just (you're my son). Say what you will about Lucas, but at least he had a vision. If he'd brought on an actual writer to help him with some of the dialogue those first six movies would be a masterpiece.
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	the music at that moment gives me chills. maybe 6/10 is a bit harsh but I have trouble ranking 7-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQxKOlrfZKc Probably one of the best star wars musical moments besides "Anakin's Betrayal" and "Battle of the Heroes". Three had the best music of the whole saga.
theBoneyKing 01.29.21	Exactly. That's what makes the sequels so ultimately pointless - try as they might to make it off as an extension of the "Skywalker saga", ROTJ actually tied up all the character threads that it needed to and all the sequels do is retcon stuff and go in directions that have absolutely no foreshadowing in the first six. Not that there wasn't potential for more story to tell but imo it didn't need to be cast as a true follow-up to the OGs.
Intothepit 01.29.21	Solo is so fucking bad. The only redeeming film of the new series is Rogue One. The rest of them can go fuck off lol
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	I agree. Tell a different Star Wars story. Disney Star Wars is abysmal for that very reason. Its the same problem with Harry Potter. Stop trying to tie everything back into a story that's already wrapped up. Know when to close the book and open a new one. There's so much interesting shit you could do with the Star Wars universe that it doesn't just have to rely on nostalgia.
WalrusTusk 01.29.21	Even Rogue One was hot garbage because you don't actually give a shit about the characters so when they make a sacrifice it means nothing. I couldn't tell you the name of a single character. Also that jedi dude was lame as hell and didn't actually do anything remotely interesting.
nol 01.29.21	That’s the problem I have with Better Call Saul
Gyromania 01.29.21	imo empire is leagues ahead of new hope, but new hope is ofc classic too. i agree force awakens is the only good movie of the new trilogy. haven't seen solo but it seems like a very divisive film
nol 01.29.21	It’s hilarious that mando has Gus Fring. My friend told me that, and I thought he was making a joke about forced cameos. Nope! He was like “It has Luke! It has Ahsoka! It has Boba Fett! It even has Gustavo Fring!!!”
Gyromania 01.29.21	the mandalorian is superb, i really hope it continues this lvl of quality into season 3
Gyromania 01.29.21	i watched mando season 2 and the boys season 2 recently and both have gus! i was like "this guy's in everything nowadays"
nol 01.29.21	Far Cry 6 too
Gyromania 01.29.21	far cry 6 - games i couldn't care less about lol. i remember back when i played 3 and couldn't wait to try 4, until i did
SitarHero 01.29.21	Caliggy your SW ranking is more offensive than your reddit posts tbh.
AlexKzillion 01.29.21	I'm just at the point where I don't even care about "the Star Wars story" anymore I just wanna see my fave characters fuck shit up. Mando is the perfect vehicle for that honestly. Whether it be seeing Ashoka and Boba Fett look like badasses in live action, or even new characters like Bill Burr's or and Mando himself do cool stuff... feel like that's what star wars should be going forward. Just building like-able characters and have them do cool stuff. Not every star wars story needs some paradigm shifting event.
Gyromania 01.29.21	"i liked season 1 because it was a much more subdued show where you kinda get a glimpse of the average non-superhero lifestyle of those in the galaxy, a good contrast with the bombast of any of the movies" can't believe i'm agreeing with sinternet, but basically this. also what sitarhero just said. that is possibly the worst ranking i have ever seen. imagine putting an ewok adventure above the mandalorian
Gyromania 01.29.21	yeah mando seems like a love letter to star wars fans the same way cobra kai is to karate kid fans (altho the quality of writing and acting is higher caliber in the former, prob goes without saying). there's a lot of nostalgia in watching both shows. someone criticized mando itt for being too sidequest-y, but that's precisely why i love it. sometimes side quests are more engaging than the main plot, and even when they're not they can be enjoyable and helpful to the story's pacing.
nol 01.29.21	i suppose
nol 01.29.21	I don’t hate mando but you guys aren’t convincing me that it’s anything but comfort food
SitarHero 01.29.21	And Star Wars in general is not comfort food? Flying spaceships and fighting with laser swords, c'mon now.
nol 01.29.21	i s u p p o s e
nol 01.29.21	I both agree and disagree
anarchistfish 01.29.21	"it’s just I feel a lot of the criticisms of the sequel trilogy and spin-offs could be said of mando too, imo. It’s all just Marvel." sequels are bad marvel. mando is good marvel with good star wars stuff
anarchistfish 01.29.21	rogue one is just ESB masturbation. it's ok but it's more like one big set piece than a movie. it would make a great musical
ShadowRemains 01.29.21	cracks knuckles empire strikes back a new hope the mandalorian return of the jedi rogue one revenge of the sith solo the phantom menace the force awakens attack of the clones the last jedi the rise of skywalker absolutely hate the sequel trilogy for the most part, at least the prequels had a defined storyline, you're right that attack of the clones was a massive missed opportunity (and also there were a bunch of deleted scenes that should've been kept)
ShadowRemains 01.29.21	"Vader's redemption is good but I have to admit that I'm not sure it was really properly earned in the original trilogy. Say what you will for the prequels but they do a lot to fill out Vader's arc and parts of the OT definitely benefit by their existence." also this, you get the couple of moments towards the end of return of the jedi but would've liked more
Shuyin 01.29.21	I have a soft spot for the prequels because I watched them in theatre with my old man, sure they're not good movies but if you take away that midiclorian stuff they don't really ruin the originals. The sequels however, fuck me.. TFA wasn't a bad movie, it was fun to watch and all, brought back the SW magic and was setting up new lore. And then here comes last jedi to fuck it all up for everyone, well done rian
hal1ax 01.29.21	nice ranking. i'd have RotJ a bit higher, but i appreciate the favorable Solo rating.
nol 01.29.21	I like how devoid of fans the sequel trilogy is.
nol 01.29.21	those movies had the potential to be special man and they SQUANDERED IT.
Emim 01.29.21	Pretty much agree with Shadow's ranking, except might flip flop TPM and Solo depending on the day.
CaliggyJack 01.29.21	Mandalorian is just a rip off of Lone Wolf and Cub, which is fine on it's own but the second season was just a dumpster fire. "I like how devoid of fans the sequel trilogy is." They exist it's just they can only be found on twitter.
LeddSledd 01.29.21	Solo made no sense at all
Emim 01.29.21	"Mandalorian is just a rip off of Lone Wolf and Cub, which is fine on it's own but the second season was just a dumpster fire." Yeah, but then nah.
BlownSpeakers 01.30.21	"people like rogue one because of vader killin people at the end and that's literally it because there is nothing else in that movie." [2]
ShadowRemains 01.30.21	and also yes clone wars if we expand to animated is easily top 5, a number of the arcs in that series are absolutely top tier star wars plus ahsoka is one of my favorite characters rebels would also be up decently high despite the annoyance of ezra bridger and zeb (although the whole saga between him and agent kallus was interesting and i liked how it showed not all of the imperials were evil, sort of like how they humanized the tuskens in mandalorian)
evilford 01.30.21	Rotj is #1 for me Tros was by far the worst and one of the worst movies I've ever seen
anarchistfish 01.30.21	i ended up binge watching rebels, idk if it was just cos I yearned for more clone wars, but yeah I ended up loving it. parts of it are still lol
LeddSledd 01.30.21	Clone Wars arcs are pretty top tier [2] so much great lore and characters came from that show
anarchistfish 02.04.21	starved for good star wars rn might be forced to read some thrawn stuff
nightbringer 02.04.21	^ I've just started Heir to the Empire
SitarHero 02.04.21	All 5 Thrawn books are fairly essential. The X-Wing series is also pretty great, as is "I, Jedi". Whatever you do, avoid the Black Fleet Crisis. Holy shit was reading those books a joyless slog.
anarchistfish 02.04.21	how did the thrawn stuff fare under disney retconning?
unclereich 02.05.21	@walrus I think the audience not being too attached to the characters was partially the point of the film. It took millions of sacrifices from people we never knew the names of to defeat the empire. Such is true in any war. Also it’s a big slap in the face at the sequels who tried in such a contrived manner to get you to care about as many shallow and useless characters as possible. It also made it a stand alone movie and something uniquely its own where you know there is no chance at a sequel or spinoff
SitarHero 02.05.21	"how did the thrawn stuff fare under disney retconning?" The character still exists but the books aren't canon.
unclereich 02.05.21	I’ve had a tough time reading shit that isn’t canon and I know I’m stupid for that. So many of the novels I read growing up aren’t canon and it pisses me off. Hopefully Kotor gets remade like the rumors have claimed and my boy Malak become canon like he deserves
SitarHero 02.05.21	Yeah, a lot of the Bantam books (and almost all of the New Jedi Order) were crap and won't be missed, but the erasure of those versions of the characters is still annoying especially given what the sequel trilogy did with them.
Sharenge 02.05.21	don't really have much regard for this franchise at this point but nice #1
anarchistfish 02.05.21	i would cream at any sort of old republic remake, game or tv show
unclereich 02.05.21	Anything, just give me SOMETHING
AlexKzillion 02.11.21	So the actress that played Cara Dune in Mandalorian got fired for months of crazy tweets essentially. Not really gonna comment on whether that's right or wrong but shame cause that was an awesome character.
nol 02.11.21	lmao
Trebor. 02.11.21	Why is their one of these lists every month? They all suck except the original three, and Return isn't even that great
Trebor. 02.11.21	Cara Dune lady can't act for shit anyway lmao
AlexKzillion 02.11.21	But she was jacked and looked cool beating people up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.12.21	Rise of Skywalker is worse than anything in the prequels tbqh "shame cause that was an awesome character." lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.12.21	Solo is also outrageously high on this list
unclereich 02.12.21	if you commit a reductio ad hitlerum youre gunna have a bad time
Emim 02.12.21	I'm unfamiliar with that spell
outliers 02.12.21	cancelling someone because of their nuisanced opinion about the divisiveness in this country is peak so classic
ShadowRemains 02.12.21	"Rise of Skywalker is worse than anything in the prequels tbqh" as is last jedi
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.12.21	last jedi i feel less strongly about. the point of subversion is to have a point. tlj subverts everything star wars for literally no point at all and that makes it a frustrating, futile gesture, and a very poor display of story telling. but while it has some of the worst things ever filmed in a star wars film (rose and finn arch, mary poppins general leia) it also has some of the coolest things ever filmed in a star wars film (the silent explosion, the throne room fight). Those few visually impactful moments don't forgive the asinine, squandered exercise in subversion, but they do at least make moments of the movie entertaining on an aesthetic level. the prequels, however, while aesthetically nauseating and stuffed full of the worst cgi and dialogue ever, are entertaining in a different way, in that they are so bad that they are entertaining. rise of skywalker has neither of those things going for it. it's just bad and boring.
Shuyin 02.12.21	"last jedi i feel less strongly about. the point of subversion is to have a point. tlj subverts everything star wars for literally no point at all" bingo, but the throne room fight absolutely sucks balls tbh, the choreography was terrible
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.12.21	we've already had this argument. we don't need to do it again. agree to disagree.
anarchistfish 02.12.21	"Why is their one of these lists every month? " cos it's star wars duh "Solo is also outrageously high on this list" just a tad " tlj subverts everything star wars for literally no point at all and that makes it a frustrating, futile gesture, and a very poor display of story telling." agreed, but it's also really boring
nol 02.12.21	it’s lit when they kill the empire guards. The red guys. Only good scene in the movie??
nol 02.12.21	also porgs and baby yoda are basically the same thing
Lord(e)Po)))ts 02.12.21	"agreed, but it's also really boring" For the most part yes, but so are the prequels
Gavierra 06.13.23	Entire list feels like it was written by someone who watches nothing but Cosmonaut Variety Hour
pizzamachine 06.13.23	List is wrong rating
Ryus 06.13.23	they all suck
pizzamachine 06.13.23	😱
90m80s 06.13.23	would rather watch Lynch Dune
Ryus 06.13.23	real talk tho ive only seen the first one (episode 4) and i did not really feel compelled to continue
Gavierra 06.13.23	Dune 1984 is ass, but the book is fire. Definitely better than most sci-fi out there
Gavierra 06.13.23	Might do a proper ranking of these movies soon when I have the time
Kompys2000 06.13.23	The prequels are mostly bad but I do kinda dig what they did with Obi-Wan. A guy who spends most of three movies getting repeatedly tricked into wasting all his time on busywork or other people's errands just because he's a little bit too credulous. McCgregor plays him very exasperated imo, feels accurate to something or another
Gavierra 06.13.23	I enjoy the prequels, even though I think 1 and 2 are mediocre on a filmmaking level. They acted as good springboards for potential stories with new characters, planets, aliens, mythos, and themes that don’t break canon, unlike the sequels which do nothing but shit on everything that came before it.
90m80s 06.13.23	lynch dune is aight if u stop worshipping the book tbh
Gavierra 06.14.23	Nah the movie sucks even on its own. Acting is horrid, plot is messy and the special effects are cheap even for '84 standards. Only good thing to come out of that movie is Brian Eno's Prophecy Theme
90m80s 06.14.23	normie take
Gavierra 06.14.23	virgin response
90m80s 06.14.23	normie comeback
SixtyNineFourTwenty 06.14.23	The new trilogy has not held up at all, and it's not even ten years old. It feels like there was no road map to go off of with the direction of the story, if you can even call it a story. Sure, they're visually stunning, but it's not a good sign when a written line in one of those movies is "Somehow, Palpatine returned..." The prequel trilogy isn't that great either, but at least it has a cohesive narrative from start to finish.
90m80s 06.14.23	u gotta love midichlorians mirite
Gavierra 06.14.23	Better than Lynch Dune at least
Gavierra 06.14.23	"Sure, they're visually stunning, but it's not a good sign when a written line in one of those movies is "Somehow, Palpatine returned..." " That line, along with "Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love" makes "I don't like sand" sound like "Tears in the rain" by comparison.
90m80s 06.14.23	Lynch dune rulez Gavierra 🤤
90m80s 06.14.23	whiney fanbase + poor creative control led to the bad new sw movies. terrible direction led to bad prequels. original tril is ok but pretty childish.
fogza 06.14.23	Lynch dune is easily better than prequels or new trilogy
Gavierra 06.14.23	The Rise of Skywalker is easily better than Lynch Dune, and that movie’s an objective 2/10
evilford 06.14.23	2/10 is egregiously generous
StormChaser 06.14.23	I guess I shouldn't be surprised about The Last Jedi hate in this thread since everyone on the internet hates that movie for some reason. I just maybe kinda hoped people on this site would be less stingy about it. That being said there's absolutely no fucking way anyone above the age of 8 can argue with a straight face that Rise of Skywalker is a better movie than TLJ, it's just obvious hate of the ideas that TLJ tried to go with. "tlj subverts everything star wars for literally no point at all and that makes it a frustrating, futile gesture, and a very poor display of story telling." completely disagree, but this doesn't seem to be a place for a real TLJ discussion
Purpl3Spartan 06.14.23	The last Jedi and the rise of skywalker are so bad
StormChaser 06.14.23	So is The Force Awakens but I don't see anyone trashing that one
Tundra 06.14.23	The only shit thing about The Phantom Menace is Jar Jar but I like Jar Jar for the most part in the movie, the slapstick humour does get a little tiring though, everything else about TPM is really good. Attack of the Clones only bad thing about it is the romance scenes, everything else is very good, love the plotline with Obi-Wan in the movie and the final battle is really good.
Gavierra 06.14.23	Attack of the Clones was somewhat clunky in its execution, but unlike the sequels at least it had a reason to exist
fogza 06.14.23	"but this doesn't seem to be a place for a real TLJ discussion" look rise of skywalker is terrible but let's not pretend TLJ isn't just a shockingly bad movie. TFA is also awful, like it's impressive to make a trilogy and all the movies suck for completely different reasons
fogza 06.14.23	"The Rise of Skywalker is easily better than Lynch Dune, and that movie’s an objective 2/10" i'd love to see the reasoning, a fan service shoehorn about-turn finale for a billion dollar series that didn't appear to be planned out in advance vs. a flawed but interesting adaptation of very complex source material under very trying circumstances with incredible costume design and iconic imagery
Gavierra 06.14.23	Both movies were squandered during production, chopped up and hastily pieced back together with zero comprehension to the story, and were misdirected by two guys who had no clue how to handle the IPs their studios bestowed on them. Also most of the costumes in Dune looked like standard 80's sci-fi stuff but with some baroque features that didn't mesh well at all. The design choice seemed interesting, but it didn't fit in with the universe it was trying to set up, which was set 10,000 years in the future. So you'd expect the aesthetic to be more otherworldly rather than look like an incredibly dated cheese-fest.
fogza 06.14.23	I always thought that the dune imagery worked well for a society that had turned its back on computers and conventional technology (favouring pushing the development of individual potential), and had returned to a feudal system. Also that subtle nod to people looking like western dukes and spanish conquistadors for the atreides and harkonnens in something that carries strong colonial themes.
90m80s 06.14.23	TLJ was prob the most entertaining of the new trilogy.
StormChaser 06.14.23	It was not a shockingly bad movie at all, in fact it was one of the best in the series. It TRIED to introduce new paradigms and tried to shed light on the flaws of the Jedi in a relatively mature albeit arguably short fashion. You needed another movie that doubles down on the ideas presented. It honestly could've been the beginning of a trilogy if anything. Instead the next movie was like "psych, the fans hated it let's actively try to erase everything we tried in TLJ". And for what it's worth, they were right on the money because Star Wars fans obviously don't wanna see anything different EVER. In any case, the sequel trilogy as a whole is one of the worst cash grabs this side of Transformers and F&F, it's just that some of those movies probably had SOME sort of direction whereas these had executives and directors arguing over where they should go. Each movie was rewriting shit they didn't like from the last one. And I don't particularly blame JJ for his lack of innovation or Rian for doing what he did, it was the fucking Mickey Mice in suits that screwed the pooch because the lack of a roadmap and they're the only ones to blame afaic. And dear god, the marketing of TROS, ONE MOVIE TO TIE THE ENTIRE SKYWALKER SAGA! Give me a fucking break please. That being said, they're supposed to be children's movies so I'm still trying to understand why I care at all at 31 since I'm obviously not the target audience. At least The Mandalorian was pretty awesome for 2 seasons and 2 episodes and Rogue One was a cool movie. Andor is probably the best live action thing that came out of the SW universe (other than A New Hope), but it's not very Star Warsy at all and I don't see it on this list either. People should czech it
BAT 06.14.23	Empire, hope, return, revenge, attack, phantom, last jedi, all the other Disney stuff, and rise in absolute last place. Rise is arguably the worst AAA studio release of the century.
90m80s 06.14.23	damn StormChaser that was harsh, Cormac McCarthy just died u should be more respectful and only say positive things about everything in existence at this time, so callous.....
StormChaser 06.14.23	damn sry 90 mb
90m80s 06.14.23	its ok im fine but some ppl here are pretty sensitive about these things
AlexKzillion 06.14.23	i've gotten to the point where i just get disney plus one month per year and binge all the new seasons of star wars content i missed and then never think about star wars again until next year
AlexKzillion 06.14.23	"It was not a shockingly bad movie at all, in fact it was one of the best in the series. It TRIED to introduce new paradigms and tried to shed light on the flaws of the Jedi in a relatively mature albeit arguably short fashion. You needed another movie that doubles down on the ideas presented. It honestly could've been the beginning of a trilogy if anything." yeah i can def see myself liking the last jedi much better if it was the beginning of the trilogy... but following a new hope 2.0 it was too much
StormChaser 06.14.23	Yeah, it was a U turn, which I liked a lot better than the whole lot of nothing new that TFA brought to the table. But I agree with you Alex that as a sequel to that movie it didn't make too much sense, especially if you follow it up with that steaming pile of garbage that came afterward
SixtyNineFourTwenty 06.14.23	Some good scenes and ideas does not a good movie make, especially The Last Jedi which shot the series in the foot.
StormChaser 06.14.23	Still haven't figured out how, but a lot of people seem to have that stance. I'm curious to hear the logic behind it though. Was TFA's setup something you wanted to see a continuation of? Snoke as the new Emperor and Luke coming in to save the day and then we get a Kylo vs Rey rematch? Or like, did the movie even set anything up except the fact that Luke has gone off the grid and that Kylo likes his grandpa and wants to be just like him for no particular reason? Idk man, I thought TFA was bland as shit, it was an okay movie, but I was looking for anything other than ANH 2.0. I didn't even feel Han's death even though the scene was solid
AlexKzillion 06.14.23	haven't seen tlj since it came out but the two main things i remember having a problem with plot/continuity wise whatever were a) the pink haired lady making this grand sacrifice after only knowing her for 20 minutes and being a bit of an unlikeable character up to that point and b) leia being able to survive in space for however long through the force despite her being a non-force user up to that point (this part could've def been easier to make sense of had it been the first episode of the trilogy)
BAT 06.14.23	my whole thing with last jedi is : good or bad it's got the most depth of the disney trilogy, and there's much more room for discussion. 'why the hell did they do that?.' i feel like any two people could rant about last jedi for hours whereas force awakens is just 'new hope 2.0, kylo, rey, or harrison ford on xanax.'
TalonsOfFire 06.14.23	TLJ is way better than its reputation suggests, like Prometheus and Tenet for example. Are there lots of flaws and lame attempts at humor? Yes, but it’s also the most interesting and depthful Star Wars movie since the OT. I think TFA is better overall though. Even TROS has some good scenes and moments, mainly involving Adam Driver, but overall was a big dumpster fire. Prequels are not that good and I bet many who defend them haven’t watched in many many years or since they were a kid, like people who say Event Horizon is a good movie.
neekafat 06.14.23	Mandalorian fucking sucks lol glad people are finally realizing
Zac124 06.14.23	1 and 2 are 1 and 2. This is fact.
unclereich 06.14.23	new Star Wars outlaw game looks atrocious
90m80s 06.14.23	who wants to watch a helmet talk in a spaceship for 30 min long sequences, u will love mandalorian
TalonsOfFire 06.14.23	First two seasons of Mandalorian were great. All the other Star Wars series I don’t really care for.
90m80s 06.14.23	need unaltered theatrical release of original trilogy
TalonsOfFire 06.14.23	I found and downloaded the “despecialized” editions online that I still need to watch, supposedly fans made original versions of the OT from various sources.
90m80s 06.15.23	need official hi def
Ryus 06.15.23	lynch dune [2]
90m80s 06.15.23	the new Arrow Lynch Dune is beautiful fyi
neekafat 06.15.23	@talons that's the most gen x thing ive ever heard
TalonsOfFire 06.15.23	The despecialized versions are supposedly HD btw, and they seem legit when I skimmed through them. I think that’s why it took so much effort to make them.
90m80s 06.15.23	still unofficial unfortunately
TalonsOfFire 06.15.23	Yeah but I think the video files are the full movies with no errors or anything, just play it on your computer and do AirPlay to your TV. But yes it’s ridiculous that Lucasfilm and now Disney has never released the unaltered versions on DVD or Blu-ray.
90m80s 06.15.23	the real question is HOW DOES EVERYTHING CATCH ON FIRE IN SPACE there's No OXYGEN
Gavierra 06.15.23	You could make the same argument for why there's sound in space whenever a battle takes place
90m80s 06.15.23	good point, star wars has always been a children's cartoon
fogza 06.15.23	"It TRIED to introduce new paradigms" No, it tryharded to introduce new paradigms. It's like Johnson was signposting "I understand all the star war tropes and I'm going to actually point out that I am subverting them for subversion's sake". Lots of unearned emotional moments. Some laughable sequences like space Leia and Snoke's demise. Who is Snoke anyway? Should we care? Is this a big moment or a visual gag? Why does Finn have no personality all of a sudden? Why is Poe suddenly a moron? Why don't the rebels just hyperspace ships into their enemies all the time? Why does no-one tell Poe the plan? Why is there a boring Kevin Costner Postman sequence in the Space Casino sideplot which goes absolutely nowhere? Why is Luke, who is defined by compassion in the OT, given this weird backstory of wanting to kill his pupil which is explored in a lame flashback? Everything in the movie goes nowhere tbh, it's just a mess with no heart. TFA sucks major ass with its.incoherent fever dream vibe and blatant retreading of plot points but at least I feel like the cast has chemistry (which is the secret of the OT). Johnson actually finds a way to drain that vibe out of the cast, it's quite a feat. Driver is the only good thing in the movie. Oh and the red sand bit looks real pretty
evilford 06.15.23	TLJ was very bad. Like 2.5/10 TRoS is probably the worst movie I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing in its entirety. There is no scale in existence disparaging enough to accurately rate it.
Kompys2000 06.15.23	I haven't seen the new trilogy because it seems very lame and marvel-ish and I have negative associations from working at a toy store when the first one came out but I think the backlash to TLJ being so psychotically overblown has convinced me it's the best of the three. If I ever watch them I'll talk myself into liking it out of pure contrarianism lol
fogza 06.15.23	The new trilogy as a whole was incredibly disheartening, like it almost makes the prequels look good just because they have a paltry semblance of pacing and continuity
StormChaser 06.15.23	I have to admit no one telling Poe the plan was a bit stupid, but it was explained why at least. Also, space Leia was super ridiculous. But I dare you to name SW movie without a ridiculous scene. "Why is Luke, who is defined by compassion in the OT, given this weird backstory of wanting to kill his pupil which is explored in a lame flashback?" - Because they had to do something with "Luke is gone and nobody knows where he went or why he went somewhere in the first place", that's by no means a TLJ problem. "Who is Snoke anyway? Should we care?" - also not a TLJ problem "Why don't the rebels just hyperspace ships into their enemies all the time?" - umm because they're not fucking kamikazes? ""I understand all the star war tropes and I'm going to actually point out that I am subverting them for subversion's sake"" - also no, he was subverting them so your sorry ass can get something new in Star Wars for once after 40 years of stangancy. Summary of my sequel experience: I was let down when TFA was released and barely cared about the next one, but since a different director was announced I was cautiously optimistic. I loved The Last Jedi and was super hyped that they did a 180 turn even though it was far from perfect, but at least there was a LOT to build on. I was fucking audibly disgusted in the theatre when I watched TROS and knew I was never gonna put myself through that shit again. First and last time I'll ever allow myself to actually be one of those people in the theatre
fogza 06.15.23	"also no, he was subverting them so your sorry ass can get something new in Star Wars for once after 40 years of stangancy." calm down there storm, there's very little new or original in TLJ, same plot beats as the OT just with opposite outcomes, it's like a parody movie or a critique (which johnson should have done on his own steam without accepting the official gig if he felt that strongly about not liking the OT plot points). anything original in the movie goes nowhere, like the dull as ditchwater running out of gas chase scenario.
Gavierra 06.15.23	Just because something is “new” in Star Wars, or any franchise for that matter doesn’t mean it’s automatically good. It’s like Rian Johnson served the audience with a shiny silver platter, only once the cover is lifted the plate is empty. Sure, he subverted everyone’s expectations, but the results are nothing but unsatisfactory at best.
fogza 06.15.23	good point gav, also for the record, i noticed that you liked andor, storm. that is an example of offering something new in the Star Wars lore and I liked that just fine (even though some found it boring), so don't run around making assumptions about my inability to appreciate stuff that doesn't conform to some SW template
IsisScript80 06.15.23	'The Rise of Skywalker' isn't just the worst Star Wars, it's one of the very worst films I've ever sat through. "Rian Johnson served the audience with a shiny silver platter, only once the cover is lifted the plate is empty." Disagree really... I think that film had a lot to offer beyond subversion. I think it's controversial aspects were in aid of crafting something unique and worthwhile. Ultimately though, the whole endeavour went down the toilet and even 'The Mandolorian' began sucking (hadn't even bothered going beyond ep. 2 of the recent series of that at this point... displayed every red flag for something that's already been corporate zombie-fied).
StormChaser 06.15.23	Yeah Fog, sorry it turned out personal, I used "your sorry ass" for effect, not actually wanting to be ill-willed or necessarily directed towards you. You were my avatar for TLJ haters in the moment. I don't think it's anything brand new TLJ tried to introduce, but I thought it was very adept at tying in (and making relevant) all of the plot beats from the prequels by laying out just how arrogant the Jedi were and how a dogmatic view of the Force eventually lead to their demise (and that was confirmed by Lucas that he wanted the Jedi to seem that way). I thought it was important to point that out, and I also feel that it's important for the future of the franchise to move away from the dualism because obviously neither side is right. Also it's not all that interesting to have the same thing happen over and over, we should get some nuance. But like I said, I loved the ideas, I just thought they didn't have enough time with 1 movie to actually pay them off. Furthermore, it's an action movie at it's heart, there's bound to be pointless scenes and exposition that don't lead to particularly concrete conclusions. You can poke holes in all of the movies if you really wanted to, but that's what used to be beautiful about Star Wars to me, they're imperfect, flawed movies with heart. And I did feel a lot more heart from TLJ than from any of the other 2 sequel movies (and Attack of the Clones)
fogza 06.15.23	Ok no problem storm, i don't agree that TLJ does anything effectively but i'm gonna leave it there.