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It’s been a while since a Davey-moderated ‘Sputnik Discusses’ went interactive and took a look at the best album art of all time, but fear not; I’m still sitting in a dark room somewhere thinking up discussion topics. Filling the breach for one of my missing weeks was our very own Lord of Brostep, Sir. Will Robinson, with his blog concerning life in college and a lot of cursing. I kid, I kid. Thanks to Will for stepping in, and if you are yet to read his thought-provoking discussion on hip-hop lyrics, I urge you to do so by clicking here

Today’s topic is a genuinely tough one for me to write about. I mean, I’m never wrong… So how the hell can I personally convey any situation where I was incorrect on anything? I guess that if I had reached school-age yet, I would have been wrong on Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson, but even the statute of limitations would have forgiven me for that one by now. Plus, this is a music website.

I guess the closest time that such a music-related phenomena occurred was back in the mid-2000s when I heard Toronto punk rockers Billy Talent for the first time. Call me narrow-minded, but I just felt that it would be near impossible to overcome such negative first impressions of a band. Owning a voice that will be despised much more than it is liked, it’s an under-statement to suggest that it takes a while to get used to Ben Kowalewicz’s shriek. But once/if you can get past the lead vocals, a cavalcade of catchy choruses, relatable lyrics, fist-pumping sing-alongs and tight musicianship await you on the other side.

What else? I guess there was that one time when I sung along to a metal album… And then there was that other time where I stayed awake all the way through a post-rock LP. Stop writing the hate mail, I’m yanking your chain. And what about specific albums? Weezer’s ‘Pinkerton’ grew two whole stars in the space of 8 years for Rolling Stone Magazine! Not that I can think of one right now personally, but some albums can tend to age well, while others age dreadfully. Some mid-80s nu-wave has probably done both in the thirty years that have passed!

You guys know the drill by now… When can you admit that you have been wrong on something music related? Whether it be a particular song, album or musician(s) in general, please don’t be shy and let us know when your first impressions have let you down.

As they say at the end of those dreaded English essays: DISCUSS…..





DaveyBoy
05.20.15
And then there was that time when I went through a “’Hysteria’ is only a 4.8” stage. Yeah, nah.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
Amen to that brother. ;-)

For some reason, I can't stop singing The Killers' 'When You Were Young' now, but I just replace "young" with "wrong" and think of all of Brandon Flowers' outlandish predictions for his band.



adr
05.20.15
The Velvet Underground - White Light / White Heat - I thought this is really fucking mediocre album for months, i quite like it now
Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - This one went from 3 stars to 4.5 i really was wrong


DaveyBoy
05.20.15
Classic Arcade. Perfect. Let's go record it.

Good call adr. In general, bands like The Velvet Underground just take a while to get used to. I guess that since that particular LP came off the back of Nico, it had a bit to live up to as well.

As for NMH, don't shoot me, but I'm yet to delve into them... No matter how much Sputnik loves '... Aeroplane...'.

Mort.
05.20.15
Im pretty sure i laughed at the whole idea of harsh vocals and metalcore and then within a year i was a core kid

And now around 65% of my pie chard is hardcore, post hardcore and metalcore



Rowan5215
05.20.15
I was very wrong about the Antlers' Hospice the first time I heard it, didn't really touch me or move me in any way when I first heard but now holy fuuuuuuuuck

also my biggest one has to be the National. That was a swing and a miss for like three months until I completely 360'd and realised the error of my ways

Rowan5215
05.20.15
fuck off this is why I do a theatre course omg

ComeToDaddy
05.20.15
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is probably my biggest one. Listened to it just as I was starting to listen to jazz (all I'd heard was Brubeck and Davis smoother stuff) and it was a massive turn off, it felt all over the place and way too complex. Took me years to listen to it again, when I realized how wrong I'd been.

aaaaaaand Jane Doe, but everyone has that hurdle to overcome when they first start using Sput.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
"... song, album or musician(s)..." Mort, you reminded me that I should have added "genre" to that equation.

Rowan, great suggestions that I expect to pop up a lot. In all honesty, I'm still in your initial phase re: The National. But it's more that I haven't had the time to immerse myself in their discog.

LivingThrowaway, you're more of a trooper than I am. Any kind of harsh noise just gives me a headache. Hell, even some noise-pop/rock does.

Daddy, I'm too cool to even try listening to 'Jane Doe'. It's like an anti-establishment thing. As for Mingus, jazz isn't my area of specialty, but you actually have me intrigued re: the complexity of his music.

Have I mentioned before that Sowing has been trying to dissect 'Jane Doe' in a blog for the past, like, 18 months? I had. Yeah, just trying to put more pressure on him to do it.

emester
05.20.15
The new Ad Nauseam album. At first I thought it was just some Gorguts ripoff, but the more I listened to it the more I began to enjoy and actually appreciate it

emester
05.20.15
Oh yeah and the obvious example of Jane Doe too

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
You're doing it wrong emester. Death & black metal doesn't exist to be "enjoyed".

wtferrothorn
05.20.15
At first, I thought Animal Collective's Sung Tongs was the worst album of the AnCo peak period. I thought it all just sounded to repetitive and dragged on for too long. Turns out it was just the 12 minute track "Visiting Friends" that kept draining me every time I listened to it. Once I started skipping that track, I started enjoying the album much more.

manosg
05.20.15
I am wrong all the time but specifically when I was in my early teens there was this thing that you either liked Metallica or Iron Maiden. So I decided to be a Metallica fan and discredited Maiden's whole discog. Same thing happened with Sepultura vs Slayer where I rooted for Sepultura. Fortunately, as years passed I realised how idiotic this was and peer pressure was starting to be less and less significant so I started slowly jamming all the aforementioned bands somewhere in my late teens.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
Animal Collective are a good one wtf, especially their earlier releases. Hell, I'd personally include 'Feels' in that as well. You also raise an interesting point that it's sometimes just 1 thing that needs to be broken free from. A voice, a tempo, or even a song.

Really manosg? Metallica or Megadeth, I can understand. But Maiden. I guess we're all easily influenced at that age. Arcade is right, it's all our mates' fault.

Mort.
05.20.15
Glassjaw now that i think about it. Daryls voice out me off then i learned to stop being a pussy and now theyre one of my fav bands

Used to love celldweller and now he makes me cringe hard

manosg
05.20.15
"Really manosg? Metallica or Megadeth, I can understand. But Maiden."

Yeah that would be more logical lol. But the debate was which was the best metal band of all time. Iron Maiden and Metallica were the two bands most guys would bring up. Genres and Dave Mustaine were mere details haha. Mind you it was mid '90s.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
Looks like Jane Doe has already won this discussion.

I'll throw Glassjaw in the Billy Talent category. Haha. Well, I'm talking about the initially off-putting voices.

manosg, I'm disappointed. The answer is Def Leppard. :-)

manosg
05.20.15
haha you're Bringin' On the Heartbreak

Sowing
05.20.15
Believe it or not I hated Taylor Swift the first time I heard her, and that lasted for over a year.

But the most wrong I've ever been about something music related was having a disdain for The Tallest Man On Earth. It took me forever to get past the grating vocals, but once I did he became one of my favorite artists of all time.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
LOL manosg. Touche.

Sorry Sowing, no-one here is buying what you're selling re: your .Tay-Tay. You're trying to pull a swifty over us.
Wow, I did not expect TTMoE from you. I can see why many others would suggest it though. I was actually surprised with how quick I got over his voice.


Sowing
05.20.15
Hahaha..and yeah, I legitimately despised The Wild Hunt for all of 2010. I don't think I came to appreciate his voice and in turn his music until mid-to-late 2011. By then, The Wild Hunt had already been named the site's top album for 2010 though, so I was definitely late to the party.

CalculatingInfinity
05.20.15
Lots of things just took time to grow on me from being neutral, but I've made a few fuck ups but nothing really bad in my opinion:

Thinking that Of Natural History was SGM's only worthwhile album and that's only a 3.5-4 (worst one, I was very wrong.).

Disregarding Yanagi Nagi's Euaru because it wasn't her work in Supercell

For giving Judas Priest's no attention for ages.

For thinking Dream Theater's Octvarium was actually good when I was younger, fuck that album.


CalculatingInfinity
05.20.15
Actually all of those are pretty bad ignore my statement related to that.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
So CI, are you saying that you were wrong in saying that you were wrong? Haha.

I do like you have gone in the opposite direction there though. But you weren't supposed to, so if you've opened the floodgates, I'll organize a banning. ;-)

CalculatingInfinity
05.20.15
Ha ha sure :P. All of those mistakes are big fuck ups, so I thought it deserved the correction.

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
People better not be avoiding this topic because they can't admit that they have been wrong. That would be just plain wrong.

TalonsOfFire
05.20.15
Neutral Milk Hotel took me a few listens to get into, a few albums by Ulver like Perdition City and Nattens Madrigal weren't that great to me to for a while until realizing they were actually amazing. I wrote off Modest Mouse for a while, before listening to The Moon & Antarctica and being forced to change my ways. Now they're my most played artist on last.fm and love everything they do.

Valkyrion
05.20.15
I remember hearing some Emperor and Darkthrone back in the day and thinking they sucked and that I would never get into black metal. Now it's among the genres I listen to the most.

I also thought I would never get into jazz but now I more or less listen to that fairly regularly as well.

These days I say that I'll never get into hip hop, but who knows...

Keyblade
05.20.15
power metal is the shizz hep kitty stop frontin

CalculatingInfinity
05.20.15
power metal is the shizz hep kitty stop frontin [2]

Aftertheascension
05.20.15
I remember when I thought rap and extreme metal wasn't music and took no talent.

Lmao I was a dumbass.

Now metal is almost all of my piechart

NightProwler
05.20.15
The first time I heard Jane Doe, it thought it was bad. Honestly. First Converge I ever heard, and I hated it. Than, some years later, I heard Axe to Fall, and started to actually really like the band. Later on, I heard All We Love We Leave Behind, and eventually I returned to Jane Doe, thinking it was excellent. So yeah, guess I was wrong about that album. But maybe I just had to devour some more music within that genre before being fully able to appreciate the album.

klap
05.20.15
actually just now starting to appreciate that Parades album :0

DoofusWainwright
05.20.15
First time I heard Radiohead (Creep) I thought they were awful. Two years later I heard Street Spirit coming out of my brother's stereo - it was love, the rest is history.

I even love Creep now

DaveyBoy
05.20.15
Modest Mouse: Great call Talons. Pretty much everything about Isaac is off-putting at first.

Valkyrion, I'm still in your early stages re: those genres. And apart from hip-hop, I don't think I'll ever change.

Hep kat, we need another power metal review from you... Just for the sense of nostalgia.

Well said NightProwler. The best is sometimes the hardest to get into. You can't just jump straight into it. It's a strange analogy but I guess it's like quitting smoking cold turkey. It can be done, but it's probably best to build up (or should that be down) to it.

I understand Klapper. A Davey hype review usually puts everyone off for at least 1 year. Then everyone comes back to it claiming "classic" status. At least you're one of the few who admit it. :-)

Doofus, 'Creep' is a great example of the singles machine. It achieved its objective by getting the band out there & noticed. Who knows? Without its success, subsequent Radiohead LPs may never have happened, or at least turned out to be something completely different. As they say, don't always judge an album by its singles.

Gameofmetal
05.20.15
Eh idk, I don't usually change my opinion on music. I guess maybe when I first heard Blaze in the Northern Sky by Darkthrone I thought it was pretty average black metal that didn't impress me but I have it at a 4.5 now.

and then there's T Swift. I just assumed her new album was shit based on "Shake it off" but I now have it at a 4 cuz it's sick as hell

Brostep
05.20.15
Appreciate the shout out Davey! Was a lot of fun to run the column last week.

I'm not sure there's anything I've felt super wrong about yet - normally if something is really critically acclaimed and I don't like it, I just assume that it's either not for me or that I'm not at the right point in my music listening career to fully enjoy it. On that note, I feel like at some point deep house will click for me, but it just hasn't yet. People talk about DJ Sprinkles and Frankie Knuckles as kind of deities, but I can't listen to their music for more than ten minutes or so without getting bored yet. I assume that will change in the near future, and then I'll have no idea what younger me was on about

Angelboros
05.20.15
Believe it or not, I used to actually like Torsofuck. Yeah, screw me, right? Anyhoo, with that being said, there was a time where I'd jam a few tracks off the band's first and only studio recording either out of boredom or simply for my amusement; after all, the musical style these people from Finland played (pornogrind) was something you really needed to take lightly. If people took the genre seriously, then they'd easily dismiss the acts within the scene without a second thought.

Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly as I grew older, I suddenly gained this utmost hatred for Erotic Diarrhea Fantasy (best that you don't ask). Listening to the other bands such as Gut, The Mung, Libido Airbag, and Rompeprop made me realize what this one group couldn't do what the former managed to do: have fun. From my POV, TF basically missed the point of this offshot of grindcore entirely. I still get a chuckle or two from reading the retarded lyrics and the track titles, and that's just barely a redeeming factor.



DaveyBoy
05.21.15
GoM. Te: T.Swift, that's not necessarily being wrong if you still dislike 'Shake It Off'. Gets back to what I was just saying on the 'Creep' discussion re: singles.

Well deserved Will. But sorry man, you're wrong... Because one day you will realize how wrong you are on Kesha. ;-)

Angel, I'm seriously unsure if you're talking about music or something very very wrong... Or both!

Angelboros
05.21.15
I may as well be discussing about both LMAO

Alright, but in all seriousness here, the album exists and is on the Sput database. Be forewarned, though, that you'll be left speechless after you finish the entire thing. Me? I was outright furious.

ArsMoriendi
05.21.15
I'm wrong with plenty of stuff, but 1 thing I know I'm right about is that the only decent Weezer album is The Blue Album.

The biggest turnaround for me was when I listened to Sonic Youth's Goo and didn't care for it at all and ended up thinking they were kind of boring... Then I heard Daydream Nation and fell in love with the band. :)

Acanthus
05.21.15
The new Kamelot, was really disappointing but had nothing new to listen to. It might have taken six listens, but it finally clicked when I was walking one day and now I love it.

Radiohead is probably the biggest one, I couldn't stand Thom Yorke for the longest time; recent ex really brought me over to them/him though (especially Kid A). Can't say I can listen to the group right now, memories hurt too much, but I can't completely complain about Radiohead anymore.

Rush is another one, the older I get the more and more I find myself liking their tracks and vocal range (though as a Coheed and Cradle of Filth fan I tend to think this was bound to happen, upper vocal ranges have to stick together).

Hip hop as a genre, and raggae, are both becoming more entertaining though it's highly situational (also thank the ex for this one).

Acanthus
05.21.15
Also, Animal Collective's Merriweather Post Pavilion album. Never thought I'd be able to dig it, life situation though made it the perfect fit.

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
Angel, I actually did check that such a thing existed. I don't 1 without listening to an album (unlike a few around here), but if I ever was to, then you may have fond the LP/band/genre.

Ars, give it 8 years & 'Pinkerton' will grow by 2 stars for you. As for Sonic Youth, I'm like that with a lot of 90's alternative. It takes a while for the groove to settle in.

Awww Acanthus, come here & give me a cuddle. Gee, you've been wrong a lot. Radiohead is popping up more often than I thought they would. But I can see why 'Kid A' would come into the equation.
As for AnCo, 'MPP' is their most accessible LP, so I'm interested as to whether you've come around to their other releases.

Brostep
05.21.15
oh yeah forgot about that. I haven't listened since but I'm fairly certain I'd like that album a lot more now

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
Haha. The other way, you idiot! ;-)

ArsMoriendi
05.21.15
"Ars, give it 8 years & 'Pinkerton' will grow "

Are you sure? I always found Pinkerton's lyrics to be super immature.

Funeralopolis
05.21.15
I thought Tool- Lateralus was boring, insipid shit for the longest time and now it is easily amongst my favourite albums ever.

Also thought White Pony sounded like generic post-grunge/alt metal for a long time until it clicked.

I also thought In The Court of the crimson king was mediocre at best, oh wait, I was right.

NordicMindset
05.21.15
Rise Against, System of a Down. Mostly unjustified hate at a young age for no good reason.

Brostep
05.21.15
I'm fairly certain I'll never grow out of my love for pop ;)

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
Funeralopolis, I didn't expect Tool & Deftones to get much a mention. I guess a lot of this has to do with the hype train as well (especially around here). If your expectations are high, then it's more chance to be initially disappointed.

Rise Against & System of a Down: Fair call actually. Tim's voice took a while for me to clock as well.

Acanthus
05.21.15
@Davey - Yeah tend to have strong opinions, don't mind being wrong or changing them though so it works out ok for the most part I feel.

I still can't ant get through Lateralus, not sure if its the music or the fans that killed it for me though.

Irving
05.21.15
There are several records which I have been guilty of misjudging, but the one that springs to mind first (only because I just rediscovered it recently) is Black Sabbath's 13. That thing is beautifully-paced and is a wonderful retread of their classic style. Those iron men were definitely in fine form. It's no 5/5 OMG OMG POS AOTY SO HARD but it's much better than I gave it credit for first time around.

Davil667
05.21.15
One of my greatest misjudgements definitely concerns Opeth. When I listened to them for the first time several years ago I couldn’t stand them at all (I was quite repelled by Mikael’s growling). I just didn’t realize how diverse, well crafted and beautiful the music really is. This changed drastically after I saw them live last year, it was an absolutely stunning experience for me. They took over my life for some time as I dived into their discography and discovered gem after gem. What an amazing band! So glad I recognized their awesomness in the end.

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
Acanthus, never worry about the fans of a band. Enjoy what you enjoy.

Interesting pick Irving, because reunion albums tend to be judged differently by different people. It's that old nostalgia factor clouding our judgement one way or the other.

Great choice Davil. I haven't dived into Opeth's discog properly as yet, but I can see my thoughts being similar to yours. It's another interesting point as to how live performances can make us take that subsequent look at bands. I was like that with Muse's 'Origin of Symmetry, which was difficult to get my had around at first. But, of course, you usually have to like that band enough to see them live in the first place, so it's a bit of a catch-22.

tejasroy1245
05.21.15
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RadicalEd
05.21.15
I'm wrong so often it's basically not worthing talking about. I very often dislike songs/albums on the first listen that end up being my favorites. Here's a list of gigantic blunders on my part:

1. When I first listened to "Boxer" by the National I thought it was generic and pretty boring so I ignored it for the best part of a year before finally coming back 'round to it.
2. For a couple of years I thought "Animals" by Pink Floyd was their weakest album in their heyday between Meddle and The wall.
3. Once upon a time I thought "The Earth is not a cold dark place" by Explosions in the sky was the best post-rock album ever.
4. Until 2 years back I hated Neil Young because he's got a silly voice
5. Until 2-3 years back I basically thought that electronic music was pretty much worthless, because I was only thinking of David Guetta and the likes.

So yeah. Get fucked RadicalEd.

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
LOL Ed, don't be too hard on yourself mate. You wouldn't be alone in making quite a few of those errors of judgment. In fact, let's just blame David Guetta for you making those mistakes. It's all his fault.

Flugmorph
05.21.15
Muse - dead inside recently.

Some other minor changes in my taste have let to not really listening to some stuff and so on but nothing fancy really. Things i loved before usually tend to hold a tiny spot in my heart EXCEPT for fucking die aerzte. Srsly, stay away from this shit (mostly germany related tho)

Flugmorph
05.21.15
Some people tend to dont like some praised albums when they listened to it a couple of times. Mostly rather obscure stuff like swans or the likes.
Im always like "if i cant appreciate it till now I have to listen again cause I dont get it yet".

Brostep
05.21.15
Don't you love it when the spambots pop in without any link to their sites? It's really wonderful - almost like they're just trying to remind you to send gifts to your family members without any expectation of reward

elephantREVOLUTION
05.21.15
I got into pop punk at age 23 so I was wrong about a lot of things

DaveyBoy
05.21.15
Bit soon on Dead Inside FlugMorph. Swans is another great example though.

Haha elephant. Dare I say it, but you're doing it wrong.

SgtShock
05.22.15
When I was in eighth grade I went to see System Of A Down (lol). The band before them just sounded like a bunch of noise to me. They were doin weird stuff with their guitars and had a 15 minute song that went on forever. Me and my friend made fun of them until SOAD came on.
Six or seven years later, The Mars Volta would become one of my favorite bands. Now that they are broken up, I will forever lament the time I did not enjoy the only performance I'll ever get to hear from them.


DaveyBoy
05.23.15
Good call SgtShock. While I wouldn't call that a misplaced support act, I've seen a few of those where you just can't enjoy them because (a) you probably don't know who they are and (b) the crowd is not conducive to taking them in properly.

idjit
05.23.15
I dunno if it's 'wrong' strictly speaking, but there was a year or two where pretty much all my favourite albums had 3.5-ish averages on sput. The reviews would typically be some variant on the "x band is generic core/melodeath/industrial, but well-executed for what it is, 3.5 great," and that'd be exactly what I was looking for anyway.

I think it's been good to get into artists less middle-of-the-road and music that's a bit rougher around the edges. Uh, not including the aforementioned Torsofuck in that tho haha.

DaveyBoy
05.23.15
Not necessarily wrong if they're still albums that you enjoy. Yes, you may have found other musicians that you now prefer, but that doesn't mean you now dislike those other albums. And, to be honest, a Sputnik average rating shouldn't tell you what to enjoy or otherwise.

idjit
05.23.15
Sure, I don't disagree with that. What I think was wrong about my 'old way' of finding new music was that well, it was kinda like last.fm's 'similar artists' if you will - "x is like y, I like x, therefore I will like y."

idjit
05.23.15
I kinda feel (now) that 'good' music is not necessarily enjoyable (in the giving delight/pleasure sense) or even conventionally well-crafted I guess. Like for example - I had a go at LivingThrowaway's Power Electronics list despite being woefully unprepared. That was a good/thought-provoking/eye-opening experience, though at the time I was kinda 'woah, jeezus' and got a headache.

DaveyBoy
05.23.15
Totally get what you mean... But the thing is that all types of music can co-exist. I have no hesitation in rating a critically acclaimed influential masterpiece similar to a formulaic album that provides some kind of personal enjoyment. At the end of the day, you should have just as much likelihood of rating any type of music the same. Except country, coz that sucks. LOL. But I know what you mean, it's all easier said than done.

idjit
05.23.15
lol country. Words of wisdom, cheers Davey!

MrMatt767
05.23.15
Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake... was at most a 3 when I first listened + for an extra 20 or so listens. For some reason I love the whole album now (except maybe for Poison Oak). An easy 4.5.

DaveyBoy
05.23.15
Yeah, I don't find Bright Eyes especially immediate either. I think musicians of his ilk do tend to take a while to sink in. Good suggestion Matt.

henryChinaski
05.23.15
I was definitely wrong about The Fall of Troy. A friend of mine had seen them live around the time Manipulator came out and recommended them, but I really hated Thomas Erak's voice and their experimental post-hardcore or whatever you wanna call it style. A year later or so I bought all their albums and started listening to bands like Every Time I Die and The Dillinger Escape Plan. In that sense TFOT were really a door opener for me to get into this style of music.

DaveyBoy
05.23.15
I must admit hC that I haven't put in the time to get into TFoT... Maybe I'm subliminally trying to stop myself from getting into bands like DEP & ETID. Haha. Seriously, I can actually see myself liking them to a fair extent. I guess it's because there is no new album to give me that extra reason to listen to them.

MattTD
05.27.15
I used to be rly anti-pop punk cus I thought it was for posers (this is when all I listened to was System of a Down and Nine Inch Nails). For some reason I thought that listening to it was social suicide. Now I'm rly into bands like The Story So Far and The Wonder Years (although I'm still not into the more mainstream stuff like All Time Low, Green Day, etc) and I realise that I was a total mug for basically writing off the whole genre.

VheissuCrisis
05.27.15
I was wrong about Father John Misty. Also, once I got past the borderline cringey lyrics it clicked with me, great album.

DaveyBoy
05.28.15
Another interesting point you raise Matt... & that's the widespread belief of what a genre is and where its boundaries stop. At the time, you may well have thought that those mainstream pop-punk bands were the template for the genre. But in actuality, there are much less popular bands playing a substantially different sound. You could say the same for hip-hop or folk, or a number of other genres.

No VC, where you went wrong was not listening to the gospel of Rudy Klapper. ;-)

theNateman
05.30.15
Hmm. for me i was completely wrong about hip hop for a long time. When i was younger i used to think rapping took no talent at all, but in the last two years or so i've learned to really appreciate and enjoy a whole bunch of the genre.

Same thing with post hardcore-- i couldn't stand the screaming and now many of my favorite bands inhabit the genre.

Also i was totally wrong about the whole genre of post grunge. I used to think the whole genre was brilliant and that bands like breaking benjamin, three days grace and seether were the top of the music scene. Ughh. That was before i discovered good...well everything. Now i hate those bands

DaveyBoy
05.31.15
Gee Nate, you may have to do a George Costanza from now on and always go against your 1st instinct.

theNateman
05.31.15
@davey Haha that's actually pretty accurate with what i do. When i get some new music, i listen to it several times before i make a judgement, just in case it's a slow grower

DaveyBoy
05.31.15
I think you have to (try to) do that with any album. Nothing sinks in after just 1 listen. I at least go with 3-4 listens before I even rate a release. And I prefer that 1 of those listens is in a different setting to however you listen to most. ie: headphones vs computer/car/stereo.

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