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Many thanks to Kyle “Crysis” Ward for taking over the ‘Sputnik Discusses’ reins last week. The cheeky bugger made my discussions look like pure fluff in comparison, with his piece on the ‘Message Behind the Music’ eliciting responses that included references to Marx, Shakespeare, Jim Crow and the U.S. Supreme Court! If you have yet to read Kyle’s thought-provoking column, I urge you to do so by clicking here. Otherwise, since I am currently in the midst of a reviewing hot streak, here is more sugary DaveyBoy fluff to hold you over until the next guest columnist. And due to my orderly want to attempt to link each column, today’s ‘Sputnik Discusses’ exists so you can all share your favourite lyrics with us.

When it comes to taking in lyrics and rating their importance to my listening experience, I’m somewhere in-between those who completely ignore them and those who think they are the be-all and end-all. They’re more the cherry on top, rather than the ice-cream itself. Basically, with a few exceptions, top-notch lyrics can make a great song superb, while poor lyrics can make a great song only good. While the likes of The Smiths and The National are sure to pop up in discussion, I’m personally not one for sitting in the corner of my bedroom enjoying mopey lyrics. The closest I get to such despondency is that of the lazy, realist self-loathing kind, as NYC rockers Bayside sang so infectiously on 2005’s ‘Blame It On Bad Luck’:

“Pound my knuckles hard against the floor, my head against the wall, but I did this to myself.
Assume it’s just not worth getting back up, so I’ll blame it on bad luck, and I’ll shake responsibility, yeah”.

While most won’t admit it due to the high cheesiness factor, the type of lyric that often appears on a list of favourite lyrics is that of the motivational kind. Whether it is Tupac’s simple “I got nothing to lose, it’s just me against the world” mantra or something overly literal like ‘Keep Your Eyes On The Prize’, whatever works for you doesn’t have to be what’s cool to the rest of the world. Another lyric which falls into this category is “How we survive is what makes us who we are” from Rise Against’s 2006 tune ‘Survive’. Strangely, that song does contain one of my favourite lyrics, but elsewhere: The opening line of “Somewhere between happy and total fucking wreck” is such a succinct – and often correct – encapsulation of how I’m feeling.

Without taking up too much space and time, other favourite lyrics of mine include Brand New’s schizophrenic ‘Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don’t’ (because they’re oh so c-c-c-c-c-controversial), The Swellers’ nostalgic ‘The Best I Ever Had’ (partially due to the significance of some of the time periods mentioned) and The Gaslight Anthem’s forward-thinking chorus to ‘Old Haunts’ (mainly as a result of my want to eye-roll when someone’s only form of conversation seems to be outlining everything that has occurred in their distant past). Overall, though, I find it difficult to go past ‘Everlong’ by the Foo Fighters:

“And I wonder, when I sing along with you;
If everything could ever feel this real forever, if anything could ever be this good again.
The only thing I’ll ever ask of you, you gotta promise not to stop when I say when”.

So, the discussion point should be obvious concerning this topic: What are your favourite lyrics? Please try to keep your answer to no more than 2 sets of lyrics. And for goodness sake, please don’t list out the entire lyrics of the whole song. Four lines/sentences should be more than sufficient, since it’s usually a certain passage that captures our imagination.

As they say at the end of those dreaded English essays: DISCUSS…..





DaveyBoy
03.18.15
Unfortunately for them, LMFAO & Ke$ha just missed out on my list.

Rowan5215
03.18.15
I've been waiting for this since I fucking joined this site omg
Gonna go the full way (heh) here and discuss em all
Roger Waters has to be my favourite lyricist because he's so fucking depressing but he always captures it so eloquently, from classic stuff like "every year is getting shorter/never seem to find the time/plans that either come to naught/or half a page of scribbled lines" to some lesser-known stuff "envy is the bond between the hopeful and the damned", he always hits the nail on the head perfectly.
I'm a huge fan of Richey Edwards' schizophrenic, frightening lyrics on the Holy Bible (which is pretty much a perfect album in every way, but still). The way he captures anorexia 4st 7lb is absolutely terrifying but somehow mesmerising: "I want to walk in the snow/And not leave a footprint/I want to walk in the snow/And not soil its purity", or "I've finally come to understand life/through staring blankly at my navel."
As you said, it's no surprise, but I have to kudos Morrissey for just being the wittiest motherfucker possibly ever and still managing to hit the emotional sweet spot. There's infinite classic Morrissey one-liners to quote but when it comes down to it the one that always got me was "It was dark as you drove the point home/And on cold leather seats, well it suddenly struck me/I just might die, with a smile on my face after all."

will continue this in a subsequent post

Rowan5215
03.18.15
Not even gonna go into Berninger because this post would stretch to the horizon and back but, "Mistaken for Strangers" dude, like fuck
A maybe unusual choice but definitely one I feel is justified is Dan Andriano from Alkaline Trio. His lyrics are always so honest and true to himself, whether he's at the absolute bottom of the barrel or just writing about how much he loves his wife that connection never wavers or falters. My favourite line of his is list of things to do in "I'm Dying Tomorrow": "Did I remember to stay up late?/Drinking for the fun, singing for the taste/Did I, did I run outside/To kiss the rain under electrical skies?/Did I remember to keep your beer as full as mine?/Did I, did I, remember to say cheers? Did I, did I/At least try to make sure everybody had a good time?
Had the best time?" shit's so relatable dude
Basically that's every lyricist that comes to my mind at this point and most of my favourite songs lyrically, so just to wrap it all up I'll say that I'm one of those weirdos who places lyrics right at the top of the most important things in music. Sure, a well-crafted song instrumentally is important but the vocals, the delivery and the lyrics are what's gonna either make or break the emotional connection and that for me is paramount. In other words, jam the new kdot

Rowan5215
03.18.15
ok all done here

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
I'm here to please Rowan.

I like those 2 Waters lyrics you picked. Not too deep for my feeble mind, yet they still make you think.

And it took only 1 post for Morrissey to pop up. Ok, who's gonna quote Berninger next?

I'm setting a limit of 1 post per day for you Rowan. LOL.

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
LOL. Looks like I was too slow. Haha.

Rowan5215
03.18.15
sorry I think I stole all the good stuff for everyone else I'll leave now

BMDrummer
03.18.15
kill me i'm not dead

Sniff
03.18.15
Are the best lyrics the relateable ones?

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
Rowan, I'm also an Andriano fan. In a sense, sharing the writing duties with someone who's a fair bit different like Skiba actually highlights Dan more.

Question for you though: Do the lyrics hit you immediately, or do they entrench themselves into your mind & soul after many listens?

Sniff, I kinda used the word "favourite" instead of "best" for exactly that reason. I think the former is more likely to lead to relateable lyrics, whereas "best" many not necessarily do so.

Sniff
03.18.15
That's what I thought. I'll think about this over my next seminar and maybe get back to this matter.

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
DISCLAIMER: The author and website is not responsible for any failed grades resulting from thinking about this topic during seminars.

hogan900
03.18.15
"I just think it's best, cause you can't miss what you forget" - American Football
The whole chorus of Sylvia by the Antlers
The ending to Singin' in York Town by Defeater (Some really hardcore stuff here)
Anything on Jane Doe. (RAAAAAAH.)

Rowan5215
03.18.15
Agreed, although Skiba really really really went off the deep end recently (musically as well, I've only liked a couple of his songs since Agony & Irony). Back in the day, Skiba's satanic wordplay vs. Andriano's emotional storytelling was an absolutely flawless mix I agree. But even on his solo album, there's not a single Dan song I've ever disliked.

That's a good question, and really the answer is it depends. Something like Alkaline Trio and the Smiths would usually hit me pretty much right off the bat - Alk3 because the lyrics are usually very simple, and the Smiths because they're so funny and stick in your head. On the other hand, something like Berninger or Waters' lyrics took me a long time to appreciate as I sort of realised I'm not a kid anymore and went through that whole aging thing that people go through. Even now in some of my favourite bands like Floyd I find something to appreciate that I never have before, which is the mark of a truly great lyricist

and one final note, sometimes it's great to have lyrics with no emotional connection because they make no fucking sense but just sound really cool, eg Casey's work in the Receiving End of Sirens: "Oh how I've been teething/In light of your misleading/You caused this collapse/Between the heart and the synapse"

ChoccyPhilly
03.18.15
too many good lyrics to even comprehend

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
Like 'em Hogan. It actually took a few repeats of that American Football lyric to get my head around it. And LOL re: Jane Doe. Sowing has been putting together his blog on that LP for about 2 years now!

Great answer Rowan and I agree for the most part. Your line about humor in lyrics reaching our brains & memories quickly is especially spot on. I guess it all comes down to how literal the writers are.

And I definitely think that lyrics that don't make a great deal of sense can become favorites. It's usually in the phrasing or something like the way it sounds. Hey, it's art... And just like a painting, people will like what they will like, even if they can't quite explain what it is.

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
Carn ChoccyPhilly, what's the 1st one that comes to your mind? It's Ke$ha, isn't it?

Rowan5215
03.18.15
I guess it comes down to the situation and the person really. Sometimes we want to be brought down to earth and hear something that we can relate to, be like "yeah I've felt what that person feels before". Sometimes we want to be taken somewhere we've never been before and hear something we can't relate to at all, which is basically just escapism, and there's nothing wrong with a bit of that. Abstract art is interesting because it can come down to the interpretation of the individual in a way an extremely literal writer like Morrissey probably wouldn't have

also hogan brings up a very good candidate which is PETER FUCKING SILBERMAN of the Antlers. His grasp of metaphor, layered lyricism and storytelling is simply divine. Revisited, dude

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
It totally depends on the individual... And that's why I wrote that line in the blog post about "whatever works for you doesn’t have to be what’s cool to the rest of the world".

iamamanfromspace
03.18.15
I'm not the hugest Bright Eyes fan but one lyric that always stuck with me since high school was

"There ain't no truth, there is only you and what you make the truth"

NightProwler
03.18.15
Bruce Springsteen, ofc:

"There were ghosts in the eyes of all the boys you sent away //
They haunt this dusty beach road in the skeleton-frames of burned-out Chevrolets //
They'll scream your name at night in the streets //
Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet [...]

I need more than four lines :(

NightProwler
03.18.15
If I had to choose to others, it'd probably be Wil Wagner and Brian Fallon. Gotta love that americana-ish storytelling:

Brian Fallon:
"And they burned up the diner where I always used to find her //
Licking young boys' blood from her claws //
And I learned about the blues from this kitten I knew //
Her hair was raven and her heart was like a tomb"

Wil Wagner:
"And I woke up to air so clean and so fresh //
that I didn't dare light a cigarette //
As much as I love being near you //
My favourite thing to do is to leave"

reportingbird
03.18.15
my favorite is the entirety of pianos become the teeth-i'll get by.



MyNameIsPencil
03.18.15
The dude from La Dispute knows how to write very good storytelling lyrics, the entirety of King Park comes to mind. Dan Andrainio is another favourite [3], Jacob Bannon, and Jon Mess for the sake of the pure strangeness and tongue-in-cheek-ness of his music. I have many others but those came to mind first.

rasputin
03.18.15
the lyrics of the entire Heat Death of the Universe record by Off Minor, pure wizardry.

'People who need people are the wretchedest in the world'

'In a moment of lucidity, you said to me: "Push this boat from shore. What I am now is past and with every passing moment I resemble myself less and less. Don't let this be living for me." In death, dignity'

Cygnatti
03.18.15
"Promise me the sun will rise again."

"There's no hope for me, I've been set free. There's not breeze. There's not ship on my sea."

Cygnatti
03.18.15
^goddamn it

Voivod
03.18.15
Metallica - Master of Puppets. The whole album.

Psychotic Waltz - Discography.

TalonsOfFire
03.18.15
Best song ever, "The Stars Are Projectors" by Modest Mouse: "Right wing, left wing, chicken wing. It's built on findin' the easier ways through. God is a woman and the woman is an animal that animals man, and that's you. Was there a need for creation? That was hidden in a math equation, and that's this: Where do circles begin?"

MonotoneMop
03.18.15
Mineral (Chris Simpson):
"When I was a boy I saw things
That no one else could see
So why am I so blind at twenty two
To the hope that is already filling up this room?"

Mew (Jonas Bjerre):
"Probably you know all those dirty shows I put on
Blunted and exhausted like anyone
Honestly I tried to avoid it, honestly
Back when we were kids we would always know when to stop
Now all of the good kids are messing up
Nobody has gained or accomplished anything"





DominionMM1
03.18.15
townes van zandt:

"salvation sat and crossed herself and called the devil partner
wisdom burned upon the shelf, who'll kill the raging cancer
seal the river at it's mouth, take the water prisoner
fill the sky with screams and cries, bathe in fiery answers"


Sniff
03.18.15
This thread could benefit from some more rap lyrics! Like the Celph Titled verse on Drama Theme.

Somewhat surprised no one has mentioned Moutain Goats as well. I've always had a soft spot for This Year:

i played video games in a drunken haze
i was seventeen years young
hurt my knuckles punching the machines
the taste of scotch rich on my tongue

and then Cathy showed up
and we hung out
trading swigs from a bottle
all bitter and clean
locking eyes
holding hands
twin high maintenance machines



Sniff
03.18.15
Also Rasputin might be on to something with the Off Minor thingy!

TalonsOfFire
03.18.15
"Got all these hoes in this muthafucka bouncin', c'mon let's get high, all ma ladies let's get high"

klap
03.18.15
elliott smith

/thread

JamieTwort
03.18.15
Dylan
Cohen
Anderson

/thread

JamieTwort
03.18.15
Dylan and Cohen are probably the most obvious choices ever but there's a reason for that.

Mort.
03.18.15
Been listening to Gaza a lot recently and i think Jon Parkin had some great lyrics. Mainly anti-religious, sarcastic, ironic and just plain downright creepy. Obviously a lot of lyrics have to be heard in the context of the song to have the full effect, but here are my favs of his

"Jesus is tight but you'd probably find more happiness with a good plastic surgeon."

"Cigarettes have killed millions. I wish I would have thought of that."

"There isn't enough medicine in the world for my headache."

"I love you all for the same reasons I could not shoot crippled horses."

and my current fav

"It sure was nice of Jesus to take time away from ignoring
Ethnic cleansing genocide and famine bloated children.
Or regrowing limbs for landmine victims
To help you score that touchdown"



DaveyBoy
03.18.15
""There ain't no truth, there is only you and what you make the truth"
Love it... & great point that you don't necessarily have to be the biggest fan of a particular musician to love their lyrics.

Nice try and keeping it to 4 lines NightProwler. I did expect Springsteen & Fallon to pop up a lot. And it looks like Wil Wagner will be on a few of these lists in the future. It still freaks me out to see the words Americana & Smith Street in the same sentence.

"my favorite is the entirety of pianos become the teeth-i'll get by"
Just looked it up. Very sad. I've got a few of my own sad songs, tbh. But I tend to try to put them to the back of my mind.... Because they make me sad.

I didn't expect Jon Mess to be on this list Pencil.

Arcade (& Rowan), it's quite telling that I've heard quite a few MSP songs, but never had the chance to give their discography a thorough - and repeated - listen. It's probably for this reason that it never sunk in how highly Edwards is held in this area. Of course, he very much lived what he wrote about In most cases.

"'People who need people are the wretchedest in the world"
Never thought you'd be a fan of this type of lyric Rasputin! ;-)

Nice Cyg. I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more folk type music mentioned thus far.

Interesting choice Voivod. Metallica have never necessarily be seen as great lyricists (although I think there is some tall poppy syndrome in that view). At the very least, their lyrics very much fit the music they were playing in their early days.

iamamanfromspace
03.18.15
Elliott Smith [2]

manosg
03.18.15
Excellent subject Davey! There are too many to mention but from the top of my head three songs would be:

Black Sabbath - "Heaven and Hell" because in life everything is not always what it seems and every coin has two sides.

Theatre Of Tragedy - "And When He Falleth" because it's as gothic as it gets.

Bob Marley and The Wailers - "Redemption Song" because Bob Marley's lyrics are beautiful and eye opening and he rarely gets mentioned.

DaveyBoy
03.18.15
Talons, Brock does my head in with some of his lyrics. Sure, they draw me in, but then I feel like my brain is gonna explode.

A couple of nice picks there MonotoneMop. I love Mew so much. Sometimes, I'm so in tune with their music, that I almost forget that lyrics exist. Can't wait for their newie.

I didn't expect a Townes Van Zandt mention, but am not surprised that it's here. Nice pick Dominion.

But Sniff, I mentioned Tupac... & even Young MC. Haha. But I did enjoy your quoted lyrics from The Mountain Goats. I mean, some people may not see that passage as, ummm, sophisticated enough. But if it hits the spot for a listener, then that's what matters. Because goodness knows we've all done something similar to what he outlines.

As succinct as ever Rudy... But Jamie has called & raised. I'm kinda surprised that Dylan & Cohen haven't appeared more tbh.

Mort, great point about context. Some lyrics don't exactly read well just written out on paper. They need either the full context of the song or the particular way that the vocalist sings them to make them memorable. Your quoted Parkin lyrics, however, don't really need that, as despite some of the subject matter being a little, shall we say, dubious, he kinda says what many are thinking. Touchdown.

Thanks manosg. Your Black Sabbath choice actually reminds me of one song that just missed out on making the blog post. The song of the same name by The Classic Crime. Interesting points on Marley too. I've never really thought about it tbh, because I'm not a huge fan of reggae. But I guess he's the godfather of that genre for a reason.



Relinquished
03.18.15
one of my favourite from 2014 is from 'The Wheel Weaves as the Wheel Wills' from Thou & The Body:
"Life has meaning. Pain has meaning."
6 words, so simple anyone could've written it. 6 words, succinctly put with such formidable assurance and done over and over. the song's a "picture worth a thousand words" when I look back in my years.

elcrawfodor
03.18.15
The first few lines of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick are a personal favorite, do a perfect job of setting up the song as a satire of prog while conversely recognizing the dichotomy that music and lyrics/poetry provide and the terrifying prospect for the songwriter that they'll only make the listener feel with their music, but not think with their lyrics (an idea made all the stronger by the way that the lyrics are provided as a poem in the liner notes):

"Really don't mind if you sit this one out
My word's but a whisper, your deafness a shout
I may make you feel, but I can't make you think
Your sperm's in the gutter, your love in the sink"

My personal favorite lyrics of all time are actually the end of Rush's Hemispheres. I know Peart can be a bit wordy and never grasped the power of writing in the vernacular, but what he has to say here is such a poetic telling of the balance between the mind and the heart which, as cliche as a statement as it seems, meant a lot to me when I first heard it at 14 and is something I've tried to incorporate into my life:

"Let the truth of love be lighted
Let the love of truth shine clear
Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty
With the heart and mind united in a single perfect sphere"

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Relinquished, that's another good point that i also included in the post. I like it when lyrics are succinct, yet still profound in some way.

elcrawfodor, that Jethro Tull lyric is excellent. Thanks for introducing its context too. Not only is it great in isolation, but it's a valid summation of the overall importance - or lack thereof - of lyrics within music.

I never thought Rush would make this list, but that's a fairly good passage right there. In fact, the cliched head/heart balance is a cliche for a reason. We all experience the to'ing and fro'ing between the head and the heart often, so sometimes a mantra of sorts can genuinely help us make decisions.

tommygun
03.19.15
elliott smith
berninger
morrissey

:D

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
I'm starting to think I should have included Smith in the blog post next to Berninger & Morrissey.

But tommygun, you got a mention in the blog itself, so can't you add Lacey as well!?

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
"I'm sorry, but Beck had some of the best lyrics of all time"

HisBelovedMaker
03.19.15
SHE BLED FROM EVERY FUCKING HOLE

flalafell
03.19.15
captain, we're sinking's lyrics on "the future is cancelled" struck me pretty hard when i first heard them. Also Jerry Jones tells such wonderful stories

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Don't make me ban you Kany-arcarde. ;-)

Thanks for that HisBelovedMaker

Loved that album flalafell (my #2 from that year). The lyrics were great, but so was the way the singer sang them, which helped.

ExplosiveOranges
03.19.15
I am a God
Hurry up with my damn massage
Hurry up with my damn menage
Get the Porsche out the damn garage

HisBelovedMaker
03.19.15
this time I'm serious

"listen, can you hear them?
it's such comfort knowing they are there
looking over our every move,
and guiding us in the right direction
without them what would we be
but lost souls trapped in an untamed jungle?
what would we be
but a species undeserving of our proper place?
without this civilization
our way of thinking, our way of life,
what would we be?
what kind of lives would we be living?
what would we do and where would our paths take us
without the whispered lies of angels..."

dmp3131
03.19.15
The fact that they don't care, why they stop and stare?
Why they put you in that dusty dirty chair?
Everyday is hard, hard for you to survive.
While we maintain this materialistic paradise.

One of my favorites. From "Guilt" by Fingertight


AmericanFlagAsh
03.19.15
Any Shins' fans?
I've always loved the lyrics to Pink Bullets so much

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Oh Oranges, don't get sucked into Arcade's nonsense... Unless you're stating that you actually think that you are a God. That's ok. :-)

Nice HisBelovedMaker. I admit that I had to look them lyrics up, since I'm no metalcore expert & have never heard of Undying.

Speaking of bands I've never heard of; Fingertight. I notice you only rated that album a 2.5 dmp, which goes to show that a quality lyric can be a diamond in the rough sometimes.

All The Shins fans have become Broken Bells fans. But yeah, the use of kites in that song worked well imo: "When our kite lines first crossed, We tied them into knots, And to finally fly apart, We had to cut them off.

Oneiron
03.19.15
"I don't need your therapy.
I don't want you telling me.
Everything will be alright"
Scarlet - OD

"She asks, “If you died once to free me from my sins,
Well I’ve got more than I can count so would you die for me again?”
Captain, We're Sinking - Montreal

NordicMindset
03.19.15
"I know how it feels to be, at war with a world that never loved me"

The Wonder Years - The Devil in My Bloodstream

Oneiron
03.19.15
Actually anything from those albums would have worked. Jon Spencer especially is an amazing lyricist.
Also:

"Sitting all alone by candle light.
Dreaming of the times we had, while I drink away the bad.
It sure beats looking in your eyes when you’re crying"
The Bunny The Bear - Pieces

Jots
03.19.15
"look me in the eye and tell me
that I'm satisfied"
The Replacements - Unsatisfied

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Oneiron, those first 2 examples you quoted are the type of fairly literal lyrics I also prefer. Just because they're not hidden through forests of metaphor, doesn't mean they cannot be profound in their own way. But I never thought I'd see The Bunny The Bear quoted!

Good call GB. And chant that out as loudly as possible. The Wonder Years actually were very close to making my blog post. If anything, they missed out because I wans't sure which specific lyric to include. If I was to include catch-prases of sorts, I adore "I just wanna sell out my funeral".



DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Johnny, if you hadn't told me who penned that lyric, I would have automatically said it was a punk band. It's just the type of up-front & succinct lyric that punk bands specialize in.

Guzzo10
03.19.15
"I'm not of the outside looking in, I'm not on the inside looking out. I'm in the dead fucking center, looking around."

gahhhhh that lyric is just phenomenal to me.

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
I like it too Guzzo, but can't we have one Kendrick-free zone right now. He's everywhere!LOL.

NordicMindset
03.19.15
Maybe it's time to stop swimming
Maybe it's time to find out where I'm at
What I should do and where I should be
But no-one will give me a map

I'll leave now this can't continue
But I forget which door I came through
And I know what the lift can be painfully slow
So I'm happy to leave by the window"

Porcupine Tree - Stop Swimming

Guzzo10
03.19.15
hahahahaha you right. My bad for possibly contaminating the one zone on sputnik without him

Funeralopolis
03.19.15
yeezy season approachin' fuck whatever ya'll been hearin'

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Oh yeah, nothing like a little bit of Porcupine Treet to brighten everyone's day up. Haha. Great passage(s) though GB & more of the "relatively literal, but rather profound" type that I really like.

R6Rider
03.19.15
I can't relate to other people
I can't seem to find some common ground
I can't think straight, in public places
I just keep running my fucking mouth

Manners - Wallflower

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
"how do you say i miss you to an answering machine?"
Love it. Because it simultaneously makes you laugh and feel sad all at once.

Just like in real life, Kanye just won't go away.

StallionMang
03.19.15
Anything coming out of Morrissey's or Isaac Brock's mouths is bound to be gold

Guzzo10
03.19.15
Don't want to make it a Brand New-fest, but some of my fav lyrics of all time come from their material.

"And in the choir I saw a sad messiah,
He was bored and tired of my laments,
Said, "I died for you one time but never again."

or

"So they say,
They say in heaven
There's no husbands and wives
On the day that I show up
They'll be completely out
Of their forgiveness supplies
And I cant use the telephone
To tell you that I'm dead and gone
So you won't know"

Lastly, from Captain, We're Sinking's "Crushed By Milwaukee's Best"

"Ten years later and he's had enough,
he's on a building looking to jump he says
if Jesus walked on water then I can walk on air. "

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
... And then (intended or purely by accident) R6Rider puts up a lyric that could actually typify Kanye to a T. Hahahahahahahaha.

Metalstyles
03.19.15
A lot of my favorite lyrics ever are in Estonian (the linguist in me is showing!), but I can probably type a few here tomorrow, when I'm in a more awake state.

NordicMindset
03.19.15
A fairly recent one, but

"You won't cut deep enough to scar the person you are" from Gates - The Thing That Would Save You

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Many think like that StallionMang, but Brock can be polarizing because his words turn to borderline nonsense at times. Either that, or he's just too deep & philosophical for people like me.

Guzzo, I'm actually surprised that there already hasn't been a bunch of Brand New lyrics posted. Could you imagine if this discussion took place on AbsolutePunk!

R6Rider
03.19.15
Sorry Davey, I'm not quite that clever.

NordicMindset
03.19.15
Man, I have so many Brand New lyrics up my sleeve but...

StallionMang
03.19.15
I DON'T WANT A LOVER
I JUST WANT TO BE SEEEEEEEEEEEEN

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Magnus, please don't type them in Estonian. LOL.

Thanks for reminding me that I still have to listen to that Gates LP. I'm fairly certain that my 2014 misadventures cost that album a very high spot ont he Sputnik year-end list.


Guzzo10
03.19.15
Yeah, I ctrl-f'd to see if anyone had posted some yet, and to my surprise there was essentially nothing haha. Figured I would break the ice on that one ;]

Metalstyles
03.19.15
The one that I like to randomly shout out when I'm in strong and unamicable disagreement with someone is "In heaven everything is fine, you've got your good things, and I've got mine" by Peter Ivers.

StallionMang
03.19.15
"Oh you've been in the house too long", she said
And I, naturally, fled

NordicMindset
03.19.15
I used to be such a burning example, I used to make my parents proud...

MrSirLordGentleman
03.19.15
Anything on Supertramp's Crime of the Century


I love the sinism in those lyrics... mixed with such a "happy" instrumentation they still create a pretty cold and sad atmosphere



reportingbird
03.19.15
When you laugh about people who feel so
very lonely, their only desire is to die
Well I'm afraid, it doesn't make me smile
I wish I could laugh, but that joke isn't funny anymore

RogueNine
03.19.15
Uhhhh it's really difficult for me to think of a specific example on the spot. Probably something penned by Gavin Rossdale or Pete Loeffler.

elcrawfodor
03.19.15
"I never thought Rush would make this list"

Honestly there are loads more Rush songs I could pull in (I'm biased of course since they're my favorite band). Natural Science, Entre Nous, Free Will, The Wreckers, The Analog Kid, Between the Wheels, The Garden, The Trees, Limelight, I could keep going!

Clumseee
03.19.15
Shoutout to Home, Like No Place Is There.

Powerful stuff.

Slut
03.19.15
Off minors lyrics are hands down my favorite

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
"why do i smile at people who i'd much rather kick in the eye?"
Haha. Story of my life. It all comes down to flexibility. I just can't get my side-kick up that high. Unless the person's a midget.

LOL Magnus. They are unconfirmed reports. How do you know that there isn't a judge in heaven that says who is right or wrong?

Wow, Supertramp. This is the dicsussion that just keeps on giving. But you raise another good point Mr.SLG. Sometimes it's not just the vocalist that makes the lyrics, but also the instrumentation behind them that give the lyrics extra impetus.

Morrissey/The Smiths are winning, it seems. Another good passage there elbaliem.

I didn't think Rossdale would come up in this thread RogueNine. Get back to us on a specific example when you can. I haven't dissected Chevelle in detail, so can't really comment there.

I still need to get around to listening to The Hotelier Clumsee. Unfortunately, that also came in my absence from this site last year.

Sowing
03.19.15
Oh god this is so up my alley

Need time to think

AmericanFlagAsh
03.19.15
Agreed with all the Morrissey love, he is the best lyrically

AmericanFlagAsh
03.19.15
Also Stuart Murdoch from Belle and Sebastian is a pretty amazing lyricist

dixoncocks
03.19.15
Aaron Weiss (mewithoutYou)
Jesse Lacey (Brand New)
Keith Buckley (Every Time I Die)
Dustin Kensrue (Thrice)
Brendan Murphy (Counterparts)



DaveyBoy
03.19.15
SowingSeason, the most profound lyric of all time is: (YEAH)!!!

Never really thought about Belle & Sebastian too hard when it comes to lyrics. Not a bad candidate though.

Weiss & Kensrue are other ones that have yet to pop up. I don't know mewithoutyou's work well enough to comment. As for Kensrue, he's written some great lyrics, but probably that rung below what you would call the top level.

dixoncocks
03.19.15
I cant believe Weiss has'nt been mentioned yet. He is a brilliant figurative writer and hands down my favorite. Some of my favorite lyrics of his are,

(In A Sweater Poorly Knit)
“You're a door-without-a-key, a field-without-a-fence
You made a holy fool of me and I've thanked you ever since.
If she comes circling back we'll end where we'd begun
Like two pennies on the train track the train crushed into one
Or if I'm a crown without a king, if I'm a broken open seed
If I come without a thing, then I come with all I need
No boat out in the blue, no place to rest your head,
The trap I set for you seems to have caught my leg instead!”

(January 1979)
“I was floating in a peaceful sea, rescued by a sinking ship”

(The Fox, The Crow, The Cookie)
"I've got a Walnut-brownie-brain
and Molasses in my veins,
crushed graham cracker crust,
my powdered Sugar funnelcake cocaine.
Let the Crescent Cookie rise!
These Carob-colored Almond eyes
would rest to see my Cashew Princess in the Swirling Marble Sky.
We'll rest upon the Knee
where all divisions cease to be
and rootbeer float in our Banana Boat across the Tapioca Sea.
When letting all attachments go is the only prayer we know.
May it be so, may it be so, may it be so

(Gentlemen)
"We never met, you and I
We were always inside, we were somewhere inside one another
And I'll live without you love
but what good is one glove, without the other"

dixoncocks
03.19.15
Also while I'm at it,

(Brand New)

(Gasoline)
“When the army had to hold the line
Well you were nowhere near the front
Before the kids could tell the dog "goodbye",
Well you were loading up your gun
I wanna know I've left the great divide
I wanna know what I've become
You think that no one else is lonesome
You think that you're the only one”

(Daisy)
"Well if we take all these things and we bury them fast
And we'll pray that they turn into seeds, to roots and then grass
It'd be all right, it's all right, it'd be easier that way
Or if the sky opened up and started pouring rain
Like he knew it was time to start things over again
It'd be all right, it's all right, it'd be easier that way"

(Jesus Christ)
Well, Jesus Christ, I'm not scared to die, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after

(In A Jar)
"Living in a jar, think the lids the sky,
You're hoping for a savior on your cross outside.
Stars are just a million little fireflies,
The sun is just a hole; it's the light outside"


Keith Buckley (Every Time I Die)

(Ebolarama)
"We're locked and loaded. Drip fed and bloated.
Our trigger fingers snagged in the mouse trap of the moment."

(Apocalypse Now and Then)
"It's not how it looks, unless you saw nothing"

(I Suck Blood)
"I'd rather beg your forgiveness Than solicit permission I'd rather know that it broke your heart Than doubt that it will."

(Gloom And How It Gets That Way)
"All hail the wounded heart contingent for giving us something more than faultlessness to sing about"





IncurablyInane
03.19.15
Too add on to the Aaron Weiss lyrics:

The Dryness and the Rain
"A fish swims in the sea
While the sea in a certain sense,
Contained within the fish!
Oh, what am I to think
Of what the writings of a thousand lifetimes
Could not contain
If all the forest trees were pens
And all the oceans - ink? "

Also, lines from the title track of Manchester Orchestra's simple math are really good:
" What if I've been trying to get to where I've always been " and" what if it was true, that all we thought was right, was wrong? "

dixoncocks
03.19.15
Manchester Orchestra have some incredible lyrics as well

"So when you see me falling backwards down the wall that says I'm still alive.
Don't be cautious when I'm cautiously approaching on the other side.
Everybody has their reasons, that's the reason we're all going to die.
Because if seeing is believing, then believe that we have lost our eyes."

"The blood was dry, it was sober

The feeling of audible cracks

And I could tell it was over

From the curtains that hung from your neck
And I realized that then you were perfect

And my teeth ripping out of my head

And it looked like a painting I once knew

Back when my thoughts weren't entirely intact

To pray for what I thought were angels

Ended up being ambulances

And the Lord showed me dreams of my daughter

She was crying inside your stomach

And I felt love again"



ComeToDaddy
03.19.15
What is love
but whatever my heart needs around
and it needs you too much now

:(

Trespassers William have those really simple but insanely hard-hitting lyrics. Aaron Weiss, Andy Hull, Elliot Smith; all those obvious ones are phenomenal, but I personally prefer simpler lyrics to those drenched in metaphors.

Tigers on Trains have the perfect balance between the two. There's a great mix of more lyrically complex songs like Muhammed and more straightforward tracks like the closer ("And you thought love was a bullshit lie/'Til you saw the tears in your mother's eyes" wrecks me every single time I hear it). Surprised they hadn't been mentioned yet.

ComeToDaddy
03.19.15
"To pray for what I thought were angels

Ended up being ambulances

And the Lord showed me dreams of my daughter

She was crying inside your stomach" [2]

That song transcends everything else they've done, I'll never get tired of it.

SgtShock
03.19.15
The final lines on Isis' Beginning Is the End are the most beautiful and moving lines I will ever have barked at me.

dixoncocks
03.19.15
"but I personally prefer simpler lyrics to those drenched in metaphors."

I take it you aren't a big fan of The Hotelier? haha

Personally, I prefer the figurative, metaphorical lyrics that you have to read and interpret. Simpler, carefully thought out one liners tend to be way more effective though.


DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Arcade, maybe 'Worst Lyrics' can be another category for another day.

SgtShock, I just looked up those lyrics and I guess I have to hear them in context... or don't understand... or am just dumb.

Goodness me, I say that someone that I thought would have popped up a lot hasn't, and now look what happens. Thanks for Dixon, Daddy & Incurably Inane.

Of the Weiss lyrics, I think I like the first ones best (In a Sweater Poorly Knit). I also liked ETID's: "It's not how it looks, unless you saw nothing".

IncurablyInane, those 'Simple Math' lyrics were on my long list of 12 or 12 to make the blog post. Love that album... Love that song, especially "what if it was true, that all we thought was right, was wrong?"

"And you thought love was a bullshit lie/'Til you saw the tears in your mother's eyes" Oh wow, that's a ripper line. I'm unsure how it's sung, but it's amazing how just the inclusion of the word "bullshit" in that line can make a difference. Without it, it could come off overly sappy.

And if lyrics about mum's crying don't get you, those 4 lines Daddy wrote from 'I Can Feel a Hot One' will.


Rowan5215
03.19.15
Honestly Andy Hull back in the Like a Virgin days is amongst my favourite lyricists ever. Like he's still good now but back then he was spitting perfect lines left right and centre. Personal favourite is "and I still see you, inside of this god awful house/and I still feel you/everywheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere/you told me this would always be worth livin'/but what's really worth livin', anymore?"

Tunaboy45
03.19.15
Everlong has some of my favourite lyrics, as well as Harvest and Break by Opeth.

Tunaboy45
03.19.15
Oh and Hyperballad

demigod!
03.19.15
Isaac Brock

I'll leave some more insightful comments after I get some coffee in me.

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
I actually prefer Hull after '...Virgin...', but that's probably no surprise to many.

Yes, it finally happened: an 'Everlong' mention.

Just have to say it: Thanks guys. This has already been the most popular of the 'Sputnik Discusses' columns and it hasn't even been up for 24 hours. Now, linking that to demigod's teasing of future Isaac Brock quotations, I will give you one myself from MM's new album. from the song 'Pups to Dust':

"The way we feel about what we do is by who has watched us so".

;-)

Mort.
03.19.15
"Just have to say it: Thanks guys. This has already been the most popular of the 'Sputnik Discusses' columns and it hasn't even been up for 24 hours."

Tbh you should be thanked for all these great columns, the rest of the site can get so bogged down in just petty crap so this is a really welcome string of discussions

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
You are very welcome Mort. Just hoping that I can keep this train on the tracks for as long as possible, before burning out and having no choice but to sit in the corner of my bedroom listening to Berninger & Co.

RogueNine
03.19.15
Oh, almost forgot. "1967" by Adrian Belew. The whole song. Just incredible.

DominionMM1
03.19.15
gotta throw in the beatles:

"lying with his eyes while his hands are busy working overtime
a soap impression of his wife which he ate and donated to the national trust"

Sniff
03.19.15
I said, "Kiss me, you're beautiful..
These are truly the last days"

You grabbed my hand and we fell into it
Like a daydream or a fever

manosg
03.19.15
Definitely. The Beatles are a great choice. Songs like In My Life, Strawberry Fields, All You Need is Love and Let it Be have some incredible lyrics.

Sniff
03.19.15
And no love for Jeff Magnum? What's up with that?

AtomicWaste
03.19.15
Paul Masvidal (Cynic) and Bruce Dickinson have to be my two favorite lyricists. Both could be poets, which is how I like to look at very well done lyricism.

I also love a lot of the lyrics on PMToday's In Media Res, but they're much more human and relatable rather than the sort of philosophical stuff Paul and Bruce delve into. Completely different spheres, in my opinion, but I love them both equally.

AmericanFlagAsh
03.19.15
Jeff is everything and has literally made me cry

"Oh how I remember you
How I would push my fingers through
Your mouth to make those muscles move
That made your voice so smooth and sweet
But now we keep where we don't know
All secrets sleep in winter clothes
The one you loved so long ago
Now he don't even know his name

What a beautiful face
I have found in this place
That is circling all round the sun
And when we meet on a cloud
I'll be laughing out loud
I'll be laughing with everyone I see
Can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all"

tempest--
03.19.15
Not really a big lyrics guy... I mostly listen to the vocal melodies and rhythms rather than what's actually being said. A really standard pick, but one of my absolute favourites is from 'Time' by Pink Floyd; "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you / No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"
James Hetfield used to be a great songwriter, with some awesome lyrics in 'The Thing That Should Not Be' and 'Welcome Home (Sanitarium),' but they might be favourites of mine due to other things - the Lovecraftian influence that I love so much on the former and the vocal delivery that really emphasises the content on the latter. Along with 'The Four Horsemen,' 'Ride the Lightning,' and many others, Metallica have a slew of songs with lyrics that I really enjoy, but the first two I mentioned have always stuck with me more so than the rest.
Another band that I really dig the lyrics to is Tool, despite how bullshit garbage they are. It's one of those things that you love inexplicably.

tempest--
03.19.15
Love some Iron Maiden lyrics as well, especially when they go on a crazy story like 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner' for example.

AmericanFlagAsh
03.19.15
I mean typically singer/songwriters have amazing lyrics: Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Nick Drake, Neil Diamond, Tom Waits, Jeff Buckley, Bruce Springsteen, PJ Harvey, Nick Cave, Elliot Smith, Sufjan Stevens

And let's not forget John Lennon / Paul McCartney / George Harrison

AtomicWaste
03.19.15
"Love some Iron Maiden lyrics as well, especially when they go on a crazy story like 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner' for example."

A lot of people don't realize that "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" is actually an adaptation of an epic poem of the same name by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, one of the most famous British Romantics. Just FYI. Maiden do this a lot - Dickinson went crazy with William Blake stuff on The Chemical Wedding too, to astounding effect. When "Jerusalem" was brought up in my Brit. Lit class in college, I knew it immediately as a Dickinson tune haha.

This is one of the reasons I love Maiden, though - they made academic English and History subjects cool and interesting. Jag Panzer did the same with me for MacBeth.

elcrawfodor
03.19.15
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Steve Harris handled Iron Maiden's lyrics?

Either way, Hallowed Be Thy Name has some of the most profound lyrics in metal.
"Tears they flow but why am I crying?
After all I am not afraid of dying
Don't I believe that there never is an end?

As the guards march me out to the courtyard
Someone calls from a cell "God be with you"
If there's a God, why has he let me go?"

AtomicWaste
03.19.15
"Jerusalem" is a Bruce Dickinson solo tune. Lyrical authors for Maiden vary based on the song - "Paschendale" was written by Nicko, for example (if I remember right ).

JamieTwort
03.19.15
"The leaded window opened
to move the dancing candle flame
And the first Moths of summer
suicidal came.
And a new breeze chattered
in its May-bud tenderness,
Sending water-lilies sailing
as she turned to get undressed."
(plus the rest of the song)

- Ian Anderson

krazytom
03.19.15
Need a little something hip-hop here, so I am going with one of my all time favorites, Nujabes featuring Shing02, Luv (sic) pt 3

"It's funny how the music put times in perspective
Add a soundtrack to your life and perfect it
Whenever you are feeling blue keep walking and we can get far
Wherever you are"

I think this also speaks to how passionate we all are about music, why this thread is so long, and why we all love this site.

ShitsofRain
03.19.15
i got a blunt, can i get a light?

SgtShock
03.19.15
B. Dolan's first album has to be my favorite work, lyrically. Although, it's mostly atmospheric spoken word. I don't know if that's cheating...

Pangea
03.19.15
"They’re more the cherry on top, rather than the ice-cream itself. Basically, with a few exceptions, top-notch lyrics can make a great song superb, while poor lyrics can make a great song only good. "

definitely agree, for me lyrics are some tool that can push a song up if they're really good. Lyrics can help the song to be more relatable to me, but they are not a killer point. I only downgrade a song for lyrics if they are horrible. In fact mostly I don't even pay attention to them,

I like the lyrics from the national the most. I love that their lyrics are between direct en a bit metophorical. like i have, for the most part an idea what they mean, but their are also not too cliche.

I also love the lyrics form captain, we're sinking (although i can't really relate to them) and radiohead.

My favourite lyrics are basically every line from ''Pyramid Song''

''I jumped in the river and what did I see?
Black-eyed angels swam with me
A moon full of stars and astral cars
All the things I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and futures
And we all went to heaven in a little row boat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

I jumped into the river
Black-eyed angels swam with me
A moon full of stars and astral cars
And all the things I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and futures
And we all went to heaven in a little row boat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt''

So beautiful

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
"1967" by Adrian Belew"
Had never heard of it... or him by name (until I looked him up). Looked the lyrics up & I very much liked, especially the 1st half.

Ooh, The Beatles. People do forget a little about Lennon & McCartney as songwriters. I call it the "The Yellow Submarine Complex".

Yes Sniff, I'm also a bit surprised that Mangum (not Magnum) has yet to be referenced. You asked & AmericanFlagAsh has obliged with a nice passage.

Interesting mention of Dickinson there Atomic. He's probably not someone that will ever pop immediately into someone's head when speaking of lyrics, but in the right context, he's right up there. I'd need to revisit PMToday to comment on their lyrics. But your point re: human vs philosophical could make a separate column all by itself. As you state, they can both be top quality, but almost need to be viewed completely separately.

"Maiden made academic English and History subjects cool and interesting"
This accomplishment alone should place Maiden right up there.

Jamie with another Jethro Tull reference. Those lyrics flow nicely, although they aren't necessarily my cup of tea personally.

Well said krazytom... & excellent choce of lyrics. Really enjoyed that passage from that Nujabes song.

Thanks for that ShitsOfRain.

Is spoken word cheating? Ummm, hmmm, I dunno. Does it depend on whether there is music in the background?

Yeah, we're on the same Pangea. I think the main thing from my perspective is that lyrics rarely sink in on the firts couple of listens... Unless they are the huge focus (EG: Only sparse music in the background). So I can often make judgements of songs before even studying the lyrics.

I'm surprised that Radiohead hasn't popped up a little more, although they can be a little all over the place at times.

Almost missed you Tempest. My reply to Pangea above falls into the same point as your re: vocal melodies, etc... I guess that's why we always should listen to music more than twice, so that we can explore it from all angles.

NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on
(I made my baby say goodbye)



DaveyBoy
03.19.15
A Joni Mitchell reference = +1 bonus point.

It's amazing that some musicians just get forgotten in the discussion until they are brought up.

Spec
03.19.15
Most of my favourite lyrics are favourites because they're so relatable for me. Pretty much every Bomb The Music Industry! song.

NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
Fame is but a fruit tree
So very unsound
It can never flourish
‘til it’s stock is in the ground (nick drake!)

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
I'm with you on relatability Spec. Do you find Rosenstock's solo work just as relateable?

You're on a roll NorthernSkylark. First Mitchell & now Drake. Your job is to quote everyone that has been missed. Although, I've got an apple tree that's very sound. I just need to keep the bords from the apples... But I digress.

NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
nobody has said a word about wilco, but this is national land so let's not go there... i'll just

shine my teeth till meaningless, smile all the time

TheWrenKing
03.19.15
That's how you fight loneliness.......

DaveyBoy
03.19.15
For some reason, I though Wilco (or at least Tweedy) was mentioned briefly yesterday. Although, I could be mistaking it from another 'Sputnik Discusses'.

NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
I think I saw you in an ice-cream parlor, drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine, don't think
You knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an actor
And I thought of Ma and I wanted to get back there
Your face, your race, the way that you talk
I kiss you, you're beautiful, I want you to walk

We've got five years, stuck on my eyes
We've got five years, what a surprise
We've got five years, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's all we've got



NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
also, i'm not sure if anyone has mentioned stuart murdoch but his lyrics are cool

She was into S&M and bible studies
Not everyone’s cup of tea she would admit to me
Her cup of tea, she would admit to no one
Her cup of tea, she would admit to me...

So I gave myself to God
There was a pregnant pause before he said okay
Now I spend my days turning tables round in Marks & Spencer
They don't seem to mind




DaveyBoy
03.19.15
Now, it's Bowie for another bonus point! Although -1 point as Belle & Sebastian has been mentioned.

Actually, reading through those lyrics for 'Five Years', I begin thinking about the importance (or non-importance) of rhyming. But that may be a whole different topic.

NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
i might wanna stop while i'm ahead then, but yeah 5 years is the best song to sing drunk with friends


IncurablyInane
03.19.15
Really enjoy some of the lyrics off There Will Be Fireworks's latest album as well
River
"We used to talk, you used to have me round
I used to sing for you
But now it's not the same, I sing quietly again
You shrink my world into a fist
You stay mad and I'll stay pissed
And I'll stay here"

Ash Wednesday
"But home's where the heart is
And home is where the hurt is too"




NorthernSkylark
03.19.15
seconded! the whole damn album is so strong and the lyrics is a big part of the reason
also, weakerthans deserves a mention (if they have'n one)

DaveyBoy
03.20.15
Nah, the best songs to sing drunk are the ones that make absolutely no sense.

More great lyrics there from TWBF

NightProwler
03.20.15
Let it Be has the best lyrics. [2]

JamieTwort
03.20.15
"Jamie with another Jethro Tull reference. Those lyrics flow nicely, although they aren't necessarily my cup of tea personally."

I can understand that, that section taken out of context of the song may seem a bit overly poetic. It's the subject and execution of the lyrics over the song's entirety that makes Moths my favourite song lyrically (I didn't feel I should post the lyrics to the whole song in here).

I love the way Anderson takes the observation of two moths circling a flame and presents it in a way that seemingly represents the much broader theme of 'life and death' whilst at the same time it can be taken simply as it is.

YetAnotherBrick
03.20.15
Lyrics are ridiculously important, that is, if you choose for your music to have lyrics. And honestly, you should be able to find some kind of meaning in any respectable musician's words. My favorite lyricists are probably Berninger, Bob Dylan, and E. They consistently remind you that lyrics are indeed poetry

YetAnotherBrick
03.20.15
look at all the people with flowers in their hands
they put the flowers on the box
that's holding all the sand that was
that was once
that was once youuuuuuu

AmericanFlagAsh
03.20.15
Jeff Tweedy anyone?
I wonder why we listen to poets when nobody gives a fuck...

Also, Sky, I mentioned Stuart :)

nakedwesmile
03.20.15
He told you to be free
And you obeyed/

/To organise and analyse
And at the end realize that
nobody knows
If it really happened

dixoncocks
03.20.15
I love the lyrics in "A Song For Milly Michaelson" by Thrice.

It's about a movie called The Boy Who Could Fly, which was about an autistic boy (Eric) who never talked. He was befriended by the girl who lived next door (Milly) and saved her life one day when she fell off a balcony. She woke up in a hospital and was convinced Eric can fly, which is how he saved her. Eventually the government tried to take Eric away from his uncle and they chased Eric and Milly to the top of a building. They hold hands, jump, and start flying away. Once they land, Eric's only words in the movie are "I Love you" and flies away.

Lyrics:

"There's a way where there's a will
You know I got no need for stairs
Step out on the window sill
Fall with me into the air.

Here we go, hold on tight
and don't let go
I won't ever let you fall
I love the night
Flying over these city lights
But I love you most of all."

They are simple and straightforward, but his delicate and timid delivery really add to the atmosphere and the character he is portraying. Really a beautiful song.

DaveyBoy
03.21.15
Damn it Jamie, the next time I see two moths near a flame (or most likely the lamp outside my house), I'm gonna get all philosophical.

"Lyrics are ridiculously important, that is, if you choose for your music to have lyrics"
Those post-rock & classical fans don't know what they're missing out on.

Good call nakedwesmile. 'MissFortune'. The verse before the last is good too.

Wow Dixon, I had never actually put 2 and 2 together, which is strange because I'd seen the movie. "Atmosphere' is such a key word with Thrice, but the music seems to always dominate that word. The vocals & lyrics also do though. Well said.

MrNippleLipz
03.21.15
"Ghouls attack the church
Crush the holy priest
Turn the cross towards hell
Writhe in Satan's flames"

Best lyrics

DaveyBoy
03.21.15
You've come to the wrong address MrNippleLipz... You needed to be a part of Kyle's column from last week!

GreyShadow
03.21.15
Let's add some AFI to this:
"Raise high monolithic statues so fragile as they fall
I am ever enthralled
Gaze, lie and smirk in time, your arrogance will suit you well
'Til fashion is dispelled

As waves of plastic fame go out of fashion
You're going out, going out forever unknown
These waves of plastic fame go out of fashion
You're going out, going out forever unknown"
-Davey Havok


GreyShadow
03.21.15
and La Dispute kills it every single song. Jordan is a genius.

"And all the ones who seem to fit the best into the chorus never notice there’s a song
And the ones who seem to hear it end up tortured by the chords when they fail to find
A way to sing along.

And when you sing the wrong thing it all starts collapsing.
Starts to ring out and feedback, starts lapsing and crashing, on notes that don’t clash
But that never quite feel like they match.

And I never quite feel like mine match.

There’s a melody in everything,
I’m trying to find a harmony but
Nothing seems to work,
Nothing seems to fit."


DaveyBoy
03.21.15
I'm an AFI fan, but I can't say that their lyrics have ever enthralled me.

Great La Dispute lyrics though.

GreyShadow
03.21.15
One more. Last section of my favorite Maiden song:
"We seem destined to live in fear
And some that would say Armageddon is near
But where there's a life while there's hope
That man won't self destruct

Why can't we treat our fellow men
With more respect and a shake of their hands
But anger and loathing is rife
The death on all sides is becoming a way of life

We live in an uncertain world
Fear understanding and ignorance is leading to death
Only the corpses are left
For vultures that prey on their bones

But some are just not wanting peace
Their whole life is death and misery
The only thing that they know
Fight fire with fire life is cheap

But if they do stop to think
That man is teetering right on the brink
But do you think that they care
They benefit from death and pain and despair"

GreyShadow
03.21.15
oh god, didn't read that end section before I posted and now I feel like a jerk

DaveyBoy
03.21.15
Well, I did say 4 sentences max... You're not the only one flouting my rules, but who am I to play mod.

braxndnew
03.21.15
Ben Gibbard's lyrics for Transatlanticism are something truly special, and that album's had me in tears many times. Tiny Vessels is heartbreaking yet fantastic, especially:

"So one last touch and then you'll go
And we'll pretend that it meant something so much more
But it was vile, and it was cheap
And you are beautiful but you don't mean a thing to me"

Trebor.
03.21.15
Don't be so vein
I'm not impressed in past-tense
I don't do impressions

DaveyBoy
03.21.15
Speaking of forgotten mentions, I'm surprised that's the first time Gibbard & 'Transatlantacism' has been mentioned. Good all braxndnew.

I think you mean vain Treb, but any thread can use a Lawrence Arms reference.

Actually, I don't mind Carly Simon's lyrics to 'You're So Vain" ... You probably think this song is about you.

DaveyBoy
03.21.15
Well, that's just a nit all-encompassing. I am a bit surprised that Reed hasn't been mentioned until now though. At the very least, he's extremely influential.

zakalwe
03.21.15

'n every gimmick hungry yob digging gold from rock 'n roll Grabs the mike to tell us he'll die before he's sold,
But I believe in this and it's been tested by research,
he who fucks nuns will later join the church.

Sometimes all you need is The Clash


DaveyBoy
03.21.15
All of a sudden, I'm thinking I should have said Cale instead of Reed. LOL

Oh yes, some Clash. Was it Mick Jones or Joe Strummer who wrote their lyrics? I'm not exactly sure.

Arcade, a Lulu mention in this particular discussion might just get you banned.

NordicMindset
03.22.15
Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.

Spec
03.22.15
Jeffs solo stuff is still pretty relatable. It seems a little bit darker lyrically though.

ArsMoriendi
03.22.15
What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body? - The Mothers of Invention:

"All your children are poor unfortunate victims of systems beyond their control
A plague upon your ignorance and the gray despair of your ugly life

All your children are poor unfortunate victims of lies you believe
A plague upon your ignorance that keeps the young from the truth they deserve"

Oh how I love when Zappa gets preachy. :)

DaveyBoy
03.22.15
Tool has sort of been mentioned once or twice. I've never really got into them, but I gotta say that I like the lyrics to that song.

LOL ArsMoriendi. Those are the type of lyrics which really are in the ear of the beholder. They can be taken both ways, as such. Hopefully, more see them as positive than negative.

ArsMoriendi
03.22.15
Well it was kind of Zappa's plan on shock and offend people since a large amount of his lyrics are satirical. For context, those lyrics were specifically about the youth of the 1960s.

DaveyBoy
03.22.15
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

ConcubinaryCode
03.25.15
"What is the point of lying in a comfortable position if you can't fall asleep in it" - the number twelve looks like you.

I've got tons of lyrics I love by them but at the moment this really stands out to me. I'm at a point where the whole world is open to me and with staying where I am now I don't want to become ok with living here if I don't like it.

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
Love it. Really well-worded lyric.

Strangely, I saw "lying" as "dying" on 1st look, which puts a whole new spin on the lyric.

ConcubinaryCode
03.25.15
That'd be an interesting to discuss how you'd interpret if it said that lol.

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
I dunno. Maybe that the position isn't as comfortable as you first thought. Or that you aren't as happy in that position as you think you are. Or the opposite. My head hurts. LOL.

ConcubinaryCode
03.25.15
Yes, thinking is definitely bad for the head :p

DaveyBoy
03.25.15
Haha. Well, as you probably can tell from some of my fave lyrics that I posted in the blog post, I really don't want to think about them that much.

WatchItExplode
03.26.15
Bad Religion/Greg Graffin deserve a mention.

Inner Logic:

Automatons with business suits clinging black boxes,
Sequestering the blueprints of daily life
Contented, free of care, they rejoice in morning ritual
As they file like drone ant colonies to their office in the sky



I don't ask questions, don't promote demonstrations,
Don't look for new consensus, don't stray from constitution
If I pierce the complexity I won't find salvation
Just the bald and overt truth

of the evil and deception



There is an inner logic,
And we're taught to stay far from it
It is simple and elegant,
But it's cruel and antithetic
And there's no effort to reveal it


DaveyBoy
03.26.15
Yep, definitely deserves a mention. Muse will want to pinch that first paragraph for their new album.

NorthernSkylark
03.27.15
A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous.

Got me?

AmericanFlagAsh
03.27.15
Yeah I love Bad Religion's lyrics. I Want To Conquer the World is awesome.

"Hey Mr. Diplomat with your worldly aspirations,
Did you see the children cry when you left them at the station?
Hey moral soldier you've got righteous proclamation,
And precious tomes to fuel your pulpy conflagrations."

IncurablyInane
03.27.15
Hands Like Houses - No Parallels
"Forget your feet and where they fall, lift your head, carry on.
No fear, just faith, no bit, just break the path and let it lead you."
Pretty simple and nothing really innovative, but I enjoy them a lot nonetheless

NorthernSkylark
03.27.15
crudely simple

DaveyBoy
03.27.15
I'm with you Incurably Inane. Simple, but has a nice flow to it, and gets the (admittedly cliched) message across better than most others.

DyingAtheist
03.27.15
Envy On The Coast - Starving Your Friends
"I'm hardly capable of half the damage that I'd like to do"

God knows why, but it's one of my favourite singular lyric lines ever.

DaveyBoy
03.27.15
Nah, I like it. It's fairly straight-forward, but gets the point across.

200 comments. Well done all.

DaveyBoy
03.27.15
You see, I'd really have to hear that lyric in context Arcade. If it's isolated from a narrative, I wouldn't be a fan of it, because who does think strangers are long-awaited friends. But if there's an angle behind it concerning shyness, being unsociable, or something else that I'm not thinking of right now, then it's a strong line.

DaveyBoy
03.27.15
Checked them out & that line definitely works very well in that context. This passage really sums it up:

Cast in this unlikely role
Ill-equipped to act
With insufficient tact
One must put up barriers
To keep oneself intact


DaveyBoy
03.27.15
Oh yeah, but that's a given. Any song which references Quiet Riot is automatically genius.

DaveyBoy
03.27.15
I'll slap you hard in a minute.

DominionMM1
03.27.15
"well when you're sitting back in your rose pink cadillac
makin' bets on kentucky derby day
well i'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon
and another girl will take my pain away"

MrMatt767
03.27.15
Always been a bit of a fan of bright eyes, mewithoutyou and la dispute when it comes to impressive lyricism. Dreyer's ability to tell a story, mewithoutyou's capacity to fit philosophical and spiritual themes into their writing and the way Oberst can craft catchy and insightful lyrics with ease are all traits I reckon deserve recognition.

Also, obvious sputnik-esque shoutout to brand new ("I'm not your friend. I'm not your lover. I'm not your family. YEAH!") lmao.

MrMatt767
03.27.15
Awesome thread btw

AmericanFlagAsh
03.27.15
"There's kids playing guns in the street
And one's pointing his tree branch at me
So I put my hands up
And say 'enough is enough'
'If you walk away, I'll walk away'
And he shot me dead"

Bright Eyes - Landlocked Blues

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
And The Rolling Stones may their first appearance on this column. Not a great fan of those lyrics because of the subject matter, but I guess it was released in the early 70s.

Thanks Matt. I really need to take the time to sit down with mewithoutyou's discog. Even now, I'm still unsure as to how I will react. Really like the way you've summed up the discussion with those 3 lyricists and why. They all are great for different reasons.

Love that one AmericanFlagAsh.

Rowan5215
03.28.15
Aaaand Rowan returns to the thread to claim his rightful place, boys!

One that's recently come into my favourites is Stuart Murdoch from Belle & Sebastian (I think he was mentioned a bit earlier). For someone with such a pretty voice dude writes the most cynical, biting lyrics I've ever heard and it's just fucking glorious. Some of his best:

"I love you I've a drowning grip on your adoring face
I love you my responsibility has found a place
Beside you and strong warnings in the guise of gentle words
Come wave upon me from the family wider net absurd
"You'll take care of her, I know it, you will do a better job"
Maybe, but not what she deserves"

"Oh, that wasn't what I meant to say at all
From where I'm sitting, rain
Falling against the lonely tenement
Has set my mind to wander
Into the windows of my lovers
They never know unless I write
"This is no declaration, I just thought I'd let you know goodbye"
Said the hero in the story
"It is mightier than swords
I could kill you sure
But I could only make you cry with these words""

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
In truth, they're the type of lyrics that wouldn't do much for me on initial listening. I'd need a reason to dissect them down the track and then be impressed. hence why the music and the songs themselves must be good enough to give people a chance to do so.

Rowan5215
03.28.15
Fair enough. In truth a lot of the appeal comes from his delivery and how excellently the cynicism in the lyrics contrasts with the beauty of the music. Just looking at them written wouldn't do much for me, either. All the more reason to VIOLENTLY DISCOG JAM B&S RIGHT NOW

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
And don't mistake that for not liking them Rowan. I did, but I practically had to read them 3 times to take them in, which usually isn't done when listening to music as there can be so much other things going on. One of those is - as you rightly put - the vocal delivery. And the other obvious one is the music going on in the background.

Rowan5215
03.28.15
But isn't it true that lyrics which take time to appreciate and unfold in meaning are more rewarding in the long-term than instant gratification? hmmmmmmmmmmm

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
That's the long-held belief. But is it true? Hmmm, I have to wonder sometimes. Sure, there are some instantly gratifying lyrics that fade quickly off into the sunset, but that isn't always the case. I think either can be true, so the theory is a little bit over-stated imo.

Relinquished
03.28.15
there is a strange feeling, a regretful phenomenon that some songs sounded better before knowing what the lyrics were, but that can't be undone. idk if anyone knows what I'm talkin about, it happens when you learn some incomprehensible lyrics after hearing the song, but knowing the song had a different flow before the lyrics distracted your listening and you can't get that flow back, that sucks man.

Rowan5215
03.28.15
Closest I can approximate to that Relinq is learning that the lyrics to a song are completely different from what you thought they were, and you prefer what you heard opposed to what they actually are. Am I in the ballpark?

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
While I know it's not specifically what either of you mean, but a column on mondegreens could be funny.

Relinquished
03.28.15
nah rowan I guess u haven't experienced that yet

Jots
03.28.15
i know what you mean. "Blue" by Airs had a couple cool bits that just weren't the same once i found out what he was saying. can't say it happens often overall, but i sorta feel that

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
Mixing up lyrics, as opposed to not knowing - or at least not taking in - the lyrics in the 1st place.

JamieTwort
03.28.15
I once thought the line "one lap victory roll" from Jethro Tull's The Checkered Flag (Dead or Alive) was "one lavatory roll", which kinda ruined the mood of what is actually a very moving song.

DaveyBoy
03.28.15
LOL... Jamie, I mean this in the nicest possible way: You idiot! :-)

dixoncocks
03.29.15
Not sure if anyone mentioned La Dispute yet, but the lyrics to The Child We Lost 1963, depict a story of his stillborn sister beautifully.

“You watched while father held her.
Said “Some things come, but can’t stay here.”
You saw a brightness.
Like a light through your eyes closed tight then she tumbled away.

From here, some place.
To remain in the nighttime shadows she made.
To be an absence in mom,
a sadness hanging over her.
Like some pentacostal flame, drifting on and off.
She was ‘Sister,’ only whispered.
Sometimes ‘Her’ or ’The Child We Lost.’

You were visions,
A vagueness,
a faded image.
You were visions.

You were a flame lit
that burned out twice as brightly as the rest of us did.
When you left, you were light, then you tumbled away.”

dixoncocks
03.29.15
Oops, didn't read the rules until just now. Sorry about the length.

NorthernSkylark
03.29.15
pretty sure every other person has mentioned la dispute, so be sorrier :]

DaveyBoy
03.29.15
No probs dixon... Tbh, I struggle with those types of lyrics. Not because of the way they're written or anything, but the subject matter. Hell, I struggled with 'Ten' by Yellowcard:

She said "Honey, I've got real bad news" and then there were just tears
And we would never be the same again
Since then I've often wondered what you might have been like
How it would have felt to hold you, would you have my eyes?
Don't you think we would've been best friends?


YoYoMancuso
03.31.15
"Well all the apostles, they're sitting in swings
saying 'i'd sell off my savior for a set of new rings
and some sandals with the style of straps that cling best to the era'

so all of the businessers in their unlimited hell
where they buy and they sell and they sell all their trash to each other
but they're sick of it all and they're bankrupt on selling
and all of the angels they'd sell off your soul for a set of new wings and anything gold
they remember the people they loved their old friends
and i've seen through'em all seen through'em all and seen through most everything
all the people you knew were the actors
all the people you knew were the actors
well, i'll go to college and i'll learn some big words
and i'll talk real loud
goddamn right i'll be heard
you'll remember all the guys that said all those big words he must've
learned in college
and it took a long time
i came clean with myself
i come clean out of love with my lover
i still love her
loved her more when she used to be sober and i was kinder"

DaveyBoy
03.31.15
Good ol' Isaac gets another mention. He definitely has a way with words. I personally don't think they don't always flow well, but I know they are an acquired taste... And these particular lyrics do flow well.

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