The most unmetal thing I’ve ever skimmed apathetically

a bunch of grown ass dudes crying about being able to play mrtalcore with each other again

uhhh

No thanks still not interested

Seriously Darius. These guys are crying about their best friend committing a serious crime and being emotional over dealing with the interpersonal chaos that came with it? And people wanna talk about how metal that is or isn't? Lmao. I know guys are scared of emotions but Jesus Christ man...

y'all are pieces of shit and probably sociopaths

I get Sputnik posters always think they're hard and kvlt but this is some real shit. I found the whole discussion really raw and human. To see every member really speak their mind and not shy away from how Tim's hateful actions affected them on a emotional, creative, and even medical level was powerful. Nick's section was particularly potent.

I expected the band to give a relatively wrote and cliched statement about this whole mess. What we got instead was much more mature and open. I still have big reservations about Tim's ex-wife & kids part in all of this, but props to the band for leading on the right foot.

I was only able to skim through it, but I think this is a good move by the band from a PR perspective. Obviously the benefits of internal damage control are implied.

It's beyond me how anyone can still support and defend this guy.
You don't try to get your wife killed by a hitman because out of a mood or because of drugs, you do so because you are a ruthless psychopath with no empathy which is something that can't be fixed.

Also a couple of years ago the other bandmembers said they want nothing to do with this dude anymore, stating that he ruined their lives and all, now this.

Guess they ran out of... $omething.

yeah, this was a good, healthy discussion to have. i don't know how the other guys could ever face him again after what he did to his wife and kids and them, but it's nice to see them kinda air out everything and unload, especially nick. i mean my goodness.

"It's beyond me how anyone can still support and defend this guy.
You don't try to get your wife killed by a hitman because out of a mood or because of drugs, you do so because you are a ruthless psychopath with no empathy which is something that can't be fixed.

Also a couple of years ago the other bandmembers said they want nothing to do with this dude anymore, stating that he ruined their lives and all, now this.

Guess they ran out of... $omething."

watch the video. they address every single thing you just said.

Yup Vermillion watch the video. Don't be like every other person on the internet and post based off an article title.

I have sympathy for the rest of the band. Tim doesnt have me convinced, but i hope theyre right about his change of character. Id hate to see them get fucked over again after such a rocky period.

Honestly I feel like the new album is gonna rip hard

Just started the video and my initial thoughts are HOLY FUCK THAT BEARD THO

^lol yep, same here

Dude's been growing it ever since the initial call to the hitman

This is a really heavy video, particularly Nick's portion

@doctuses how old are you?

This honestly seemed genuine to me. Tim really cannot be forgiven for his actions, but at the same time the band wants to connect again and make music which is something to be commended if he truly wants to change his ways

shots not fired

Interested to hear this, will check out later.

Damn Nick looks like he needs rest.

Also shit thread wow

Nick really does seem like one of the most genuine dudes in the scene. I dunno if playing music together is the greatest idea, but it does seem like it’s not all about publicity and making money.

This vid has me more hopeful about this reunion. It seems like everyone in the band genuinely wants to set things right. At the end of the day only time will tell how genuine Tim is about changing for the better, but I hope things go well for them.

@Vermilion "It's beyond me how anyone can still support and defend this guy.
You don't try to get your wife killed by a hitman because out of a mood or because of drugs, you do so because you are a ruthless psychopath with no empathy which is something that can't be fixed."

I don't know about Lambesis, I didn't watch the video and won't. But Your statement is wrong, naive and a bit presomptuous. I'm sure that like many of us, you've already been on the verge of killing your neighbour because they were mowing their lawn at unspeakable hours, think for a minute of your wife cheating on you with the most despisable guy possible, leaving you and taking your kids, who are now going to be raised by the douchebag, and asking for your money for the kids, that she won't spend on them. I'm not talking about Lambesis here, i'm just giving you an example in which, wanting to kill someone doesn't proove that you're a ruthless psychopath with no empathy but on the contrary, what brings you there is to be a well-balanced person who cares and values love, feelings and emotions, trust, what is right, respect etc..
Once I met a guy who had wanted a child all his life and was very depressed that he never found a woman to have one with him. He was in his fourties. Thank to the internet, suddenly he found one. Their couple wasn't very convincing but well, they had the child. And she moved to the south of the country without warning him to live with her parents. When he tried to get his daughter back legally, she accused him of beating her. He saw his baby once. And while he was fighting legally to get the right to just be a father to his daughter, he kid was growing her up and taught that her dad was useless. etc... it's easy to give someone the desire to kill.

"When your lead singer goes to prison but you still put an album out 2 decades earlier than TOOL"

there's a lot of people who are truly just ruthless psychos, but desperate and emotionally damaged people in really low places can make really poor choices with tragic consequences. if someone shows genuine remorse and proves that they've changed over a long period of time, I don't believe they should be written off completely.

Someone check on Kevin before it’s too late

Haha I remember going to Hastings and seeing this band's albums having a used or returned sticker on them. A lot of people apparently got butt-hurt over what Tim did like honestly wtf. What he did is fucking childs play, its not like he took matters into his own hands.

lol yeah like whats the big deal??

This thread is the embodiment of AIDS

Here's some live footage from their concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNEYJzEMqTY

Tim definitely sounds out of practice there.

"Haha I remember going to Hastings and seeing this band's albums having a used or returned sticker on them. A lot of people apparently got butt-hurt over what Tim did like honestly wtf. What he did is fucking childs play, its not like he took matters into his own hands."

Also,wtf is this comment

"What he did is fucking childs play, its not like he took matters into his own hands."
Dude wtf.

Wow the user who posted that stupid comment was Kascade, what a surprise

Your comments are as stupid and thoughtless as your reviews

Kevin No, I genuinely never actually considered to kill anybody for real, that's not normal you should go seek help lol.
You become a psychopath once you don't just think about it but actually try to hire a fucking hitman.

I remember when I murdered MY wife, I did it with my own hands LIKE A MAN. lmao what a keyboard warrior

" I genuinely never actually considered to kill anybody for real, that's not normal you should go seek help lol."

There's a huge distance between thinking about something and actually doing it though.

There’s a big difference between thinking about something and paying somebody to do it though

True but we didn't talk about Tim's case specifically. Tim crossed that line and he got what he deserved (even if he should have stayed in prison for a longer time imo)

Oh true sorry I just skimmed right over your quote my bad.

Heh. This is merely childs play. *tips fedora*

This actually seemed heartfelt and genuine; did not expect this starting the video

vermillion, you don't "become" a psychopath by hiring a hitman or even killing someone, actual psychopaths are extremely rare.

I noticed no one actually verbalised exactly what Tim did i.e., trying to hire a Hitman to murder his wife. It was always refered to as "what Tim did". Kinda made it feel less severe. I mean, if he had succeeded as he intended a woman would be dead and there is no chance in hell we would see this lineup again.

Would these guys still feel he had really "changed"?

Although Ive thought about that as well, I don't see any point in that line of thought. What happened happened and it's best to leave what ifs out of it I think. We can only hope Tim also feels some sort of relief that he was never able to go through with it and it would seem the people closest to him feel that he does.

Tim went through with his part.

Everyone except Tim looks super uncomfortable to even be in the room.

I dont really care if you cry

"I noticed no one actually verbalised exactly what Tim did i.e., trying to hire a Hitman to murder his wife. It was always refered to as "what Tim did". Kinda made it feel less severe."

I think they didnt want to dwell on that particular thing too much considering in Tim's public apology. he said he would say nothing more on the matter out of respect for his ex wife and kids.

"Tim went through with his part."

He tried to but ultimately he didn't succeed

Wow this thread

choose a side

When your lead singer goes to prison but you still put an album out 2 decades earlier than TOOL [2]

Hiring a hitman to do the bada-bing takes class. And Tim sounded good in that live clip, seems like his growls have gone down in pitch almost to a death metal tone.

"I noticed no one actually verbalised exactly what Tim did i.e., trying to hire a Hitman to murder his wife."

Tim's original apology stated that he would never speak about his wife or his kids publicly again, because that was her wish. I'm guessing they're just trying to avoid bringing the conversation in her direction.

"Everyone except Tim looks super uncomfortable to even be in the room."

I mean yeah, they're a bunch of men talking openly about their feelings in an extremely public way. I would be uncomfortable as fuck.

can somebody give us the tl;dr bc i don't wanna spend 32 minutes on this.

Ugh just watch it you lazy fuck but fine tl;dr band is trying to figure out a new way to kill Tim's wife without getting caught this time

lmao

Tim is planning to put titty guns on on his bra and do a drive by on her new residence.

How are so many of you defending Tim? Fuck man reddit is even worse.

I don't see anyone actually defending what he did

I was saying Boo-urns.

"I don't see anyone actually defending what he did"

not wanting to see him drawn and quartered is essentially the same as defending him basically

Lol are you saying you want him drug by a horse and then cut up into 4 pieces

I can't wait to see how these assholes get trolled once they start playing shows again.

Well their first show was a massive success and half the people in the room were screaming things like "we love you Tim!"

So...

men who treat women like that don't deserve second chances imo

That was kinda lame.

"Well their first show was a massive success and half the people in the room were screaming things like 'we love you Tim!'"

"we forgive you!" lmao

AdolfChrist and Durrzo - ahh, that makes sense

Fuck this band and anyone that gives them money. The guy tried to have his wife killed, how is that not completely past the point of no return for you people? Just because someone makes music you like doesn't mean they're absolved of their crimes, like say for instance TRYING TO HAVE YOUR WIFE KILLED. I don't care how much these guys cry, this band shouldn't be back together, Tim should be in jail, and none of you should be supporting this.

somebody didn't watch the video.

Yeah the video cannot explain away the fact that he tried to have his wife killed. It does tell us that Tim is a self-confessed manipulator and willing to hurt those closest to him. But hey, he's had a complete personality change since being released from prison, right?

I've tried to kill my wife, haven't y'all??

@antilaser lol shut the fuck up.

lol he totally should still be in jail tho

antilaser is right. Lambesis is basically a murderer. Also get a load of the men downplaying violence against women in their defenses of him

^^^ this