Definately looking forward to the development of this. I think this isn't over anytime soon.

Oh dear.

Nice. This will be interesting to watch.

TPB is in the right I feel, they don't personally host any of the files on their website. They just do what Google does, except with torrents.

I think that if they are sentenced to be guilty, maybe they shouldn't be given such a ridiculously harsh sentence again.

Oh goody.

TPB woot

Wow scumbag. I meant the judge btw.

It's all a load of crap anyways. Just trying to make an example of someone despite the fact that TPB only hosts other peoples' links, not their own.

I like drama.

and here comes another 5000 comments about radical utopian vews

Stretch it out boys...

and here comes another 5000 comments about radical utopian vews

I mean he's a judge- why wouldn't he subscribe to an association that seeks to defend and promote certain laws?

According to a report by the British IT news site The Register, Sveriges Radio's P3 news programme claimed that the judge Thomas Norström is signed up to the Swedish Copyright Association (Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt), which also counts Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique Wadsted as members.

The issue is not whether the judge is pro- or anti-copyright (I suspect all judges are in favour) but whether copyright infringement is legal under Swedish law, and clearly it isn't.

just because theyre not as bad as other sites isnt a valid defense

"well your honor, my neighbor jim killed 3 people, and i only killed one, so you cant convict me."

But google is a completely accepted site.

while the original purpose of torrents wasnt to spread copywrited material, no one can argue that
the main thing they do isnt spreading copywrited material. about 1% of the services google
provides is linking to blogs etc.

also, google doesnt host files. if im not mistaken, a main argument against these guys is that
they uploaded massive amounts of copywrited material.

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I don't see how this is a conflict of interest unless the judge actually stands to make money from his involvement with the copyright association.

Nah, I think it goes beyond that with things so controversial in the media.

If it was another torrent site they might be able to argue that their original purpose wasn't for illegal copies. But they called themselves the goddamn Pirate Bay. While I download as much as the next guy, and enjoy their services, their name alone is an admission of guilt.

I hope it goes better for them, they are not walking out of this but I hope they get a more lenient punishment.

I wonder how long this will get dragged on for.

the have good reason to demand a retrial, he's bound to be biased

Fucking hell, here comes another thread littered with page long comments concerning theft, piracy and sales, while two obviously biased groups examine each others morales with tempered words and underhanded insults.

I wonder how long this will get dragged on for.

llol
they got jailed for nothing
read up on the case
theres nno actual crime they commited
they hosted a search engine for torrents
the means of illegally downlaoding stuff
yet firearms are legal
the means of killing someone
noone sued google for it finding kid porn
its jsut the search engine, not the one creating it

fuckign dumbasses who prosecuted them

well slimjim, theres a bit more to it than that. think about it, they are providing the means to help the pirates, and you can't really argue against the fact that they are one of, if not the, largest piracy related site on the web.

yes
but simply providing the means isnt enough for conviction as i used to gun reference for
for example
there are stores that can sell rolling paper
and filters
and bongs
but not weed
the reason being because you cant prove that they will use said items to break the law
though any other reason is extremely unlikely
the same can be said for the pirate bay
it proveides the means of illegal downlaoding
but doesnt break any laws,
thats up to its users to choose whether or not THEY will break the law

you make a fair point, but imagine if TPB didn't exist. people would use less torrents, probably.
also, they can't exactly convict everyone who has used TPB, so the prosecutors are a bit fucked.

If you watch their "press conferences" they fully expect this to go on for 5+ years.



TPB's pressers.This Message Edited On 04.25.09

SlimJim, TPB is a search engine designed specifically for finding torrents. In reference to your gun analogy, what if a manufacturer made a gun that was designed specifically for killing humans, and it admitted so on the packaging? TPB will not win this trial because of their foolishness in creating something that acts as a middle-man for the free black-market. Not convicting them would be like building a case against a drug empire, and arresting only the street dealers and kingpins, and acquitting the street dealers connections to the kingpin. TPB was a bold effort, but the attention its getting will undoubtedly direct more at other torrent search engines and within twenty years or so the business will be locked down if our market laws do not change. Sadly.

perhaps
but also
guns are mad eot kill humans
i.e. army guns
stolen guns, maybe, that makes sense
but if you follow the letter of the law
and each of these people did not INTERACT or UPLOAD any ILLEGAL torrents themselves
then theyre completely innocent
scyther, i tend to agree
though TPB is being used as an example
where logic doenst seem to apply
maybe if they had been forced to moniter each torrent being uploaded this all would be prevented
though that would take an exhaustng ammount of time.

Bottom line, search engines are a thing of evil and everyone who uses them is going to hell/jail.

Also, guns are bad

amen

false guns are goood

jump off a bridge