ahhh The Edge, most overrated guitar player of all time? or is that Slash?

well this doesn't sound very good from a band that used to take musical risks. at least within its own boundaries. unless it was just garbage and the don't want to offend Rick. although its kind of insulting, anyway

back to Eno? just as well, i suppose. but as a fan i would like to hear the rubin tracks nonetheless

stupid irish

"ahhh The Edge, most overrated guitar player of all time? or is that Slash?"

Nah, Kurt Cobain...the guy is on like every "Top Guitar Players" list and he's below average.

when will people stop bashing guitarists who weren't pretending to be virtuosos to begin with?

Edge did his part. His influence outweighs his skill.

edge is a very good guitar player. innovative and influential. when you hear him you know its him. when people say "that sounds like U2" they usually are talking about the distinctive guitar sound

good musicianship is a lot more then technical ability. a hell of a lot more. especially in rock n roll music where great technical ability is not necessarily mandatory

The second you say 'doesn't fit our style' you have truly lost the battle known as experimentation and originality.

yeah that was hard to take. especially coming from U2. while not exactly radical they have stretched out musically and taken some risks outside that style over the years. they've been very open to new musical ideas and things of that sort. their "style" would seem to be sort of flexible

and Rubin is known for stripping things down and scaling things back. something U2 has done here and there over the years so just how not their style could it be? this makes me a little weary of the upcoming release

on top of the fact that what Rubin has done for artist i tend to favor somewhatThis Message Edited On 12.01.08

i dont get it what does rick ruben do exactly

He ****s up the mastering for albums like Californication and Death Magnetic.

he doesn't have much to do with the mastering

If they're still going for a "metal" sound on this album then it will probably be distinctively different than anything they've done before. I'm not really anticipating much from this though.

good musicianship is a lot more then technical ability. a hell of a lot more.

Haha, what's with this stigma that everyone thought Cobain was some fantastic guitar player? He gets props for having an influential sound for the time, but no one whose heard his music would be retarded enough to call him one of the greats.This Message Edited On 12.01.08

As for U2, this band does little aside from annoy me, and this step, as echoed by others here, seems to push them farther from their trend-setting/boundary pushing ways and find themselves in a nice comfortable niche. This Message Edited On 12.01.08

It prolly has to do with how it was produced. I bet you the tracks with Rubin are clips-galore like Metallica's lol.

ahhh The Edge, most overrated guitar player of all time? or is that Slash?

good
Rubin is a fool.

The Edge was mentioned in this article, this is automatic grounds for a guitar debate!

the guitar is overrated

the guitar is overrated

guitar's influence extends way more than you may know ecThis Message Edited On 12.01.08

"U2 scrap Rick Rubin tracks"
Not all that surprising.

Im actually glad. Rubin used to be good (BloodSugarSexMagic remains, in my opinion, one of the best produced records ever), but now he is way to clean. Have you listened to Make Believe by Weezer? Could of been so much more had they just brought on a good producer. Granted the tracks were not GREAT to begin with, but still, they had potential. So yeah, i'm happy with this decision.

Rubin is a fine producer. i can't imagine what went wrong? its an impressive body of work:

* 1985: Radio – LL Cool J
* 1986: Licensed to Ill – Beastie Boys
* 1986: Raising Hell – Run-DMC
* 1986: Reign in Blood – Slayer
* 1987: Electric – The Cult
* 1987: Yo! Bum Rush the Show - Public Enemy
* 1988: Danzig – Danzig
* 1988: Tougher Than Leather – Run-DMC
* 1988: South of Heaven – Slayer
* 1988: Masters of Reality – Masters of Reality
* 1989: Dice – Andrew Dice Clay
* 1989: Live Fast, Die Fast – Wolfsbane
* 1990: Trouble – Trouble
* 1990: Danzig II: Lucifuge – Danzig
* 1990: Seasons in the Abyss – Slayer
* 1991: Nobody Said It Was Easy – The Four Horsemen
* 1991: Manic Frustration – Trouble
* 1991: Decade of Aggression – Slayer

* 1991: Blood Sugar Sex Magik – Red Hot Chili Peppers
* 1992: Danzig III: How the Gods Kill – Danzig
* 1992: King King – The Red Devils
* 1993: Thrall: Demonsweatlive – Danzig
* 1993: Wandering Spirit – Mick Jagger
* 1993: 21st Century Jesus – Messiah
* 1994: Danzig 4 – Danzig
* 1994: American Recordings – Johnny Cash
* 1994: Divine Intervention – Slayer
* 1994: Wildflowers – Tom Petty
* 1995: One Hot Minute – Red Hot Chili Peppers
* 1995: Ballbreaker – AC/DC
* 1995: God Lives Underwater [EP] – God Lives Underwater
* 1995: Empty – God Lives Underwater
* 1996: Songs and Music from "She's the One" – Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

* 1996: Unchained – Johnny Cash
* 1996: Undisputed Attitude – Slayer
* 1996: Don't Call me Barry – Hermann and the Hermits
* 1996: Sutras – Donovan
* 1998: "Let Me Give the World to You" – The Smashing Pumpkins (an unreleased song)
* 1998: VH1 Storytellers – Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson
* 1998: Diabolus in Musica – Slayer
* 1998: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road – Lucinda Williams (mix only)
* 1998: System of a Down – System of a Down
* 1998: Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts – Kula Shaker ("Sound of Drums")
* 1998: Chef Aid: The South Park Album – South Park
* 1999: Northern Star – Melanie C ("Suddenly Monday" and "Ga Ga")
* 1999: Californication – Red Hot Chili Peppers
* 1999: Echo – Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
* 1999: Loud Rocks – V/A ("Shame" by System of a Down and Wu-Tang Clan, "Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing Ta Fuck Wit" Tom Morello, Chad Smith and Wu-Tang Clan)

* 1999: The Globe Sessions – Sheryl Crow ("Sweet Child O'Mine")

* 2000: American III: Solitary Man – Johnny Cash
* 2000: Paloalto – Paloalto
* 2000: Renegades – Rage Against the Machine
* 2001: Amethyst Rock Star – Saul Williams
* 2001: The War of Art – American Head Charge
* 2001: Breath of the Heart – Krishna Das
* 2001: The Final Studio Recordings – Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
* 2001: Toxicity – System of a Down
* 2002: American IV: The Man Comes Around – Johnny Cash
* 2002: By the Way – Red Hot Chili Peppers
* 2002: Audioslave – Audioslave
* 2002: Steal This Album! – System of a Down
* 2003: Results May Vary – Limp Bizkit (with Terry Date and Jordan Schur)
* 2003: Unearthed – Johnny Cash
* 2003: Door of Faith – Krishna Das
* 2003: De-Loused in the Comatorium – The Mars Volta (with Omar Rodriguez-Lopez)
* 2003: The Black Album – Jay-Z ("99 Problems")
* 2003: Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium – Rage Against the Machine
* 2003: Heroes and Villains – Paloalto
* 2004: Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) – Slipknot
* 2004: Armed Love – The (International) Noise Conspiracy
* 2004: Crunk Juice – Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz ("Stop Fuckin' With Me")

* 2005: Make Believe – Weezer
* 2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1 – Shakira
* 2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2 – Shakira
* 2005: Out of Exile – Audioslave
* 2005: Mezmerize – System of a Down
* 2005: Hypnotize – System of a Down
* 2005: 12 Songs – Neil Diamond
* 2006: Stadium Arcadium – Red Hot Chili Peppers
* 2006: Taking the Long Way – Dixie Chicks
* 2006: American V: A Hundred Highways – Johnny Cash
* 2006: FutureSex/LoveSounds – Justin Timberlake ("(Another Song) All Over Again")
* 2006: The Saints are Coming – U2 and Green Day (single)
* 2006: Window in the Skies – U2 (single)
* 2007: Heroes and Thieves – Vanessa Carlton (with Irv Gotti, 7 Aurelius and Stephan Jenkins)
* 2007: Luna Halo – Luna Halo
* 2007: "Better Than I've Ever Been" – Kanye West, Nas, KRS-One (single)
* 2007: Minutes to Midnight – Linkin Park
* 2007: Free Life – Dan Wilson
* 2008: The Cross Of My Calling – The (International) Noise Conspiracy
* 2008: Live from Liverpool - The Gossip
* 2008: Weezer – Weezer
* 2008: Home Before Dark – Neil Diamond
* 2008: Dancing for the Death of an Imaginary Enemy - Ours
* 2008: Seeing Things – Jakob Dylan
* 2008: Death Magnetic – Metallica
* 2008: untitled – Slayer
* 2008/2009: untitled – ZZ Top
* 2009: untitled – The Avett Brothers[5]

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I'm pretty sure they might have been worried about the clipping problem like with Death Magnetic, but I can't stand U2 so I don't care.This Message Edited On 12.01.08

Stop insulting guitarists! as a guitarist myself, I firmly believe that no guitarist is 'over rated', it's just that different people prefer different styles. almost as bad as when people say bands 'sell out'.

It's true though. When a band runs out of plastic to make their CD's they've basically sold out! How else can you describe it.

lawl

i thought selling out was a good thing? hell if i were in a famous band i'd want every show to sellout

lol

i'm kinda not surprised, I don't think he's a bad producer just I think his "approach" can only work with certain artists in certain aspects.This Message Edited On 12.02.08

Yeah but from what I've gathered the guy that tracked/mixed Death Magnetic works with Rubin so he'd be on the same project as him. I could be wrong. (Not the final mixing, the in studio mixing)

U2 should be Zeuss produced.

I'd much rather have Eno than Rubin.

I think U2 were just trying to be nice, rather than say that the Rubin material just wasn't very good.

But Rubin's stuff as of late has been extremely dull.This Message Edited On 12.02.08

The Edge is overrated becasue hes amazing.