Seems like every band devoid of any talent is whining about cancel culture these days.

Thanks Falling In Reverse, I hate it

Hate the song but appreciate the engineering.

I could bitch about how they truly just decided to mimic Disturbed's DWTS type of scream in the end and how this rounds up that entire song, but these guys ain't worth any more of my time.

As soon as I heard the breakdown, I thought it sounded like Wage War. And who did I find in the writing credits... Cody from Wage War. lol

It's a really catchy song. Video is a lot of fun too.

The lyrics are as subtle as a pile of bricks to the face but I really don't care that much. Of course Ronnie was going to talk about that at some point so whatever. It's semi-cringe but it seems tongue-in-cheek enough.

Honestly I like that a lot of bands are speaking out about cancel culture because it is an absolute joke these days. The music's completely generic though.

this is torture

Guy with a long history of being a complete cunt complains about cancel culture. Oookay.

Song is pretty bad too. On rare occasions I like something these guys do. This is not one of those occasions.

Grown men made this

i can't think of any better figure to stand up against the wrongdoings of cancel culture than Ronnie Radke

By FIR standards this song is pretty decent

Seems like every band devoid of any talent is whining about cancel culture these days. [2]

Most artists/bands that whine about cancel culture haven't been cancelled for anything either. I know Ronnie's been in prison but is anyone still giving him beef for that? At least give us a controversial opinion or something so you've got a reason to bitch about being cancelled.

and lets be honest, cancel culture at this point is a just a buzzword for "some people got mad at me on twitter". people who complain about that are pathetic.

this title had me hoping they'd for some reason decided to cover zombiefied by alien sex fiend. idk why but i really wanted to hear that.

this band still exists? wow

"cancel culture at this point is a just a buzzword for "some people got mad at me on twitter"

Pretty much, nobody should be free from criticism and all that.

I couldn't care less about them tackling cancel culture, but the song itself just isn't very good. And the leadup to the breakdown sounds too similar to 'Popular Monster' IMO.

@cloakanddagger and Senetrix666,

Cancel culture is evil. It's siccing a mob via Twitter and media to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. It's not about fair criticism but enforcing a crippling ideological conformity so certain beliefs and views, e.g. "men can be women..." and vice versa, won't be criticized. It's so virulent people who said something several years ago before society's public mores had changed have been hounded and "canceled." It's the same narrow reasoning that justifies tearing down the statues of great men, like Thomas Jefferson, and other acts of iconoclasm. Frankly, the executioners of cancel culture are no better than book burners.

As far as metaphors go, being "zombified" isn't the worst. The riff is ripped from the same lick on The Used's "Born to Quit," and someone above mentioned the Disturbed guy's growls. So yeah, it's meh.

@cloakanddagger and Senetrix666,

Cancel culture is evil. It's siccing a mob via Twitter and media to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. It's not about fair criticism but enforcing a crippling ideological conformity so certain beliefs and views, e.g. "men can be women..." and vice versa, won't be criticized. It's so virulent people who said something several years ago before society public mores had changed have been hounded and "canceled." It's the same narrow reasoning that justifies tearing down the statues of great men, like Thomas Jefferson, and other acts of iconoclasm. Frankly, the executioners of cancel culture are no better than book burners.

As far as metaphors go, being "zombified" isn't the worst. The riff is ripped from the same lick on The Used's "Born to Quit," and someone above mentioned the Disturbed guy's growls. So yeah, it's meh.

@cloakanddagger and Senetrix666,

Cancel culture is evil. It's siccing a mob via Twitter and media to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. It's not about fair criticism but enforcing a crippling ideological conformity so certain beliefs and views, e.g. "men can be women..." and vice versa, won't be criticized. It's so virulent people who said something several years ago before society public mores had changed have been hounded and "canceled." It's the same narrow reasoning that justifies tearing down the statues of great men, like Thomas Jefferson, and other acts of iconoclasm. Frankly, the executioners of cancel culture are no better than book burners.

As far as metaphors go, being "zombified" isn't the worst. The riff is ripped from the same lick on The Used's "Born to Quit," and someone above mentioned the Disturbed guy's growls. So yeah, it's meh.

Ronnie is now posting anti-mask and anti-vax mandate stuff

"the executioners of cancel culture are no better than book burners."

meanwhile republicans are literally the ones banning books.

@senetrix666,

I'm not going to defend Republicans regardless if they're really banning books. My intent was just to express some definitive moral clarity on cancel culture. Engaging in a pissing match chasing the next non-sequitur or fallacy is a fool's errand. I'm not here to derail this thread further.

yep the woke twitter mob who make up about 1% of social media postings is ruining america. give me a break. republicans are such pussies.

republicans: cancel culture is ruining america!

also republicans: don't go to this restaurant, they require masks!!!!

america: literally invented the concept of chattle slavery

republicans: noooo you cant talk about that

I can't believe people actually think this is good music. I know youtube comments are cancer but my god, amazes me still. This is god awful

I think I'm going to be sick

They should hook up with Shinedown and play every fairground and Republican convention in the midwest this Summer.

They can call it "The Cancel CulTOUR"

the cancer cucktour

Who would’ve thought that in 2022, limp bizkit would be infinitely more bearable than FIR, shinedown and kid rock combined

This is literally just "SiriusXM Octane - The Song"

Band sux

some of the most annoying vocal inflections in the game going strong for almost 20 years now

band is goated with the sauce

"Cancel culture is retarded and only idiots support any kind of canceling.

The song is meh and not my cup of tea."

damn u just got canceled for saying retard u retard

“The only bands whining about cancel culture are the ones with members who are rapists and abusers”

Fixed for you guys

amen

"Who would’ve thought that in 2022, limp bizkit would be infinitely more bearable than FIR, shinedown and kid rock combined"

Most people probably. To be fair, Limp Bizkit has ALWAYS been more bearable than FIR and Kid Rock. Shinedown got a pass because of how milquetoast they were.

"im cancelling you for being retarded"

Oh no what will I do.

I don't know if "cancel culture" is a real thing or not but this growing trend of censorship certainly is. Episodes from Always Sunny containing blackface have essentially been stricken from history. Books are being removed from school libraries. College campuses are banning words/phrases like 'picnic' and 'rule of thumb'. You can't just state all of this is relegated to some toxic niche of the Twitterverse. These are real things that are actually happening.

Narcissists tend to point fingers at any and everyone else. Thankfully I can choose to ignore this band and Ronnie. That gives me at least some peace

idk if it correlates but every song about cancel culture i've heard is objectively awful. That includes this song but 90% of FiR's catalog is almost as bad

music video is kinda dope tho tbh

"College campuses are banning words/phrases like 'picnic' and 'rule of thumb'."

Except that no campuses have banned those words and phrases, and Brandeis has received enough criticism for its student-compiled list of "oppressive" words that some might consider the University itself to be "canceled".

fuck the culture war. eat the rich.

"College campuses are banning words/phrases like 'picnic' and 'rule of thumb'."

I am a college student and have friends who attend universities all around the US. This isn't remotely true and you're an absolute clown for believing that it is. You're being played. Don't fall for it.
Regardless of geographic location, most of our professors are middle-aged white moderates and our administrators are unabashedly conservative.

"Except that no campuses have banned those words and phrases, and Brandeis has received enough criticism for its student-compiled list of "oppressive" words that some might consider the University itself to be "canceled"."

Yea it was highly mocked but did and continues to exist. Just like IASIP episodes vanishing is highly mocked yet continues to exist. Thanks for proving my point about this apparent small group of Twitter morons who you claim have no influence over stuff continues to shape society.

"I am a college student and have friends who attend universities all around the US. This isn't remotely true and you're an absolute clown for believing that it is."
Oh okay I guess their freely self published list of "offensive" language is all just republican propaganda. If you want to get caught up on the fact I used the word "banned" when in reality it's more like "highly suggestive you change your vocabulary" have at it.

Also love how yall get caught up on this one example while wholly ignoring the others I listed like somehow that equates to anything meaningful and as if I couldn't just list off dozens of other ones.

when will these culture war clowns just shut off the internet and go outside. hey buddy, republicans are literally banning history books, attempted to overthrow the election, and are passing laws to suppress voting rights. look at the real issues, not what fox news tells you.

"If you want to get caught up on the fact I used the word "banned" when in reality it's more like "highly suggestive you change your vocabulary" have at it."

Neither I nor anyone I have ever met has been forced or even encouraged to change their vocabulary. Full stop. And I attend a liberal arts university. You're taking idiotic conservative propaganda at face value and embarrassing yourself. Unless you consider telling people not to drop the n word in class "censorship," I have witnessed literally 0 censorship in three and a half years.

"Just like IASIP episodes vanishing is highly mocked yet continues to exist. Thanks for proving my point about this apparent small group of Twitter morons who you claim have no influence over stuff continues to shape society."


I don't think it proves the point you think it does. The Twitterati "cancellers" have had their digs at Brandeis, yet Brandeis isn't whining about being "cancelled". That might give you a little perspective on who the "snowflakes" really are.

Meanwhile, Florida is trying to pass legislation banning—yes ACTUALLY "banning"—teachers from making (white) students feel "uncomfortable" about the racial history of the US.

SitarHero,

Is the curriculum designed to make the white students feel "uncomfortable" due to the fact they are white and thus only superficially resemble the oppressors in the racial history of the US? Keep in mind, the vast majority of whites in the United States aren't descended from Southern plantation owners, find slavery, Jim Crow, and racism generally repugnant.

For example, as a second generation natural-born American, I'm descended from a group of German-speaking immigrants, the Danube Schwabians, who were living in what was the former Yugoslavia (Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia). They fled to the US after WW2. Why? When the Serbian partisans under Tito took control of the country after helping oust the Nazis there, they proceeded to confiscate the private property of their Danube Schwabian neighbors, round them up, put them in labor camps/ship them to die in gulags in Siberia (The Soviets were patrons of the Serbians). My great grandmother and my grandmother survived one of those camps. Tens of thousands didn't. They were killed on account of their ethnicity because a relative few willingly collaborated with the Nazis during the occupation. This little holocaust isn't widely known, but it is documented in books like Barefoot in the Rubble.

Are you then expressing approval at the prospect of my nieces being made to feel "uncomfortable" because they fall under the broad rubric of "white" and superficially resemble the racists of the antebellum South while only being themselves three generations removed from their own ancestors' ethnic cleansing?

Does this teaching of the "racial history of the US" allow for that nuance? Or are all children with a certain amount of melanin in their skin to be stuffed into the "white" category -- a relatively recent construction of identity -- and deemed, like my grandmother and her mother 70 years prior, guilty of past crimes they did not commit?

if you're referring to critical race theory, thats a graduate level course that no child has ever been taught. If you're talking about kids learning about America's racist history, that isnt blaming any white person today. It's simply pointing out the fact that whiteness, as a culture, has largely been oppressive of minority groups throughout our history. Its not meant to make anyone uncomfortable. Its an accurate description of our history.

"Is the curriculum designed to make the white students feel "uncomfortable" due to the fact they are white and thus only superficially resemble the oppressors in the racial history of the US?"


The curriculum—inasmuch as it can be called a curriculum—is ostensibly designed to address the role of slavery and racism as a foundation stone in the history of the country whose effects persisted through the decades thanks to Jim Crow, white flight, redlining, the war on drugs, etc to continue informing structural inequality today.

If you and your nieces are uncomfortable with the idea that you benefit from those structural problems, even if you didn't play a role in creating them, because of your superficial resemblance to the people who did, then yeah I'm expressing approval of it. What's a little discomfort when you have white privilege, eh?

"Does this teaching of the "racial history of the US" allow for that nuance?"


Again, ostensibly it does. It's possible to embrace multiple aspects of identity and nuance and complexity within those identities. This is a country of immigrants and some of us were lucky enough to come here voluntarily and maintain our ethnic and cultural identities, own property, be granted fundamental rights upon arrival, and so on. I'm glad your grandmother and great-grandmother were able to escape the gulag and find refuge in the US, their history is terrible and tragic.

But it's also true that they had a head start upon arrival that a lot of Americans did not, and by extension so did you and you nieces. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Senetrix666,

Yeah, well, I've been to grad school, done some reading, and don't merely watch Fox News.

What broadly makes a theory "critical" as opposed to "traditional" is that it's supposed to explain why people participate in their own "oppression," identify which beliefs/values that reinforce the so-called "oppressive" status quo, and then spur activism to subvert it toward revolutionary ends. That activism is very much an influence in forming our curricula in grade and high schools. I have family and friends who are teachers.

Its influence is also ubiquitous in our public life. The belief that there is something insidiously wrong, for example, with the Oscars not having enough (though what would be sufficient is never clarified) black representation in prestigious categories is critical theory at work. Every critical theory uses what are known as "hermeneutics of suspicion," which is just fancy way of describing a method of cynical interpretation that intends to unmask/catch red-handed unflattering truths about seemingly mundane things everyone else takes for granted.

"Whiteness" is what exactly? Proficiency at Math and English? Working hard? I thought as humans, non-white minorities can and have successfully assimilated to WASP values of America in spite of racism they've faced. So I don't know how "whiteness" or whatever is exclusively the province of white people. Now, it's true white Americans have oppressed black Americans and other minorities in our history, but that was studied and discussed in schools way before CRT was even a buzzword in our political lexicon. I'm sure there are ways to improve and include more of the scope of the racism and atrocities in our education, but slavery and Jim Crow are definitely not glossed over.

What CRT promotes is a highly biased look at our history that is designed to subvert our national myths and replace them with a pet mythology that spurs "real" change. For example, the New York Times' 1619 Project posits 1619, not 1775, as our founding date because that is when the first African slaves were brought to our shores, and the American Revolution was really about protecting and perpetuating slavery. It's indoctrination into a paranoid ideology, plain and simple. It should not be taught in our public schools for the same reason Catholic doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and transubstantiation of the Host in the Eucharist aren't.

SitarHero,

They did not have much of a head start. They came to this country with nothing but the lint in their pockets and didn't speak English. World War 2 ensured they didn't have even a high school education. My grandfather literally built my mother's house from scratch and lived there for 50 years, working multiple jobs, one of which cost him his finger.

The head start my family got, and by extension me and my nieces, speaking frankly, was the fact we were not born out of wedlock. That is potentially within the will and agency of every American couple to achieve and was the norm across all demographics when racism was much more widespread. Ironically, out-of-wedlock birthrates increased when Johnson's Great Society was implemented. Poverty and wealth inequality are here like always.

I mean, I won't insist that everyone starts with the same good hand of cards for life. And yes, many hands were weakened by injustice and misfortune. But it's a utopian ideal to insist that the playing field ought to be equalized across the board. No society past, present, or future will achieve that, and politics should be oriented toward what is real, concrete, and possible instead of an unrealistic abstraction. Children should not be punished or taught to look askew at their lives for the good decisions and sacrifices their parents made to provide those lives for them. I mean, how far back do you go looking at the wrongs of previous generations as being culpable for the ills of the current one? Cain and Abel? Where is the limiting principle here?

CRT in its analysis puts too much stock in the wrong institutions and "structures" and underappreciates the individualized agency of blacks and whites in making good or bad decisions that affect class mobility across generations, which this country still largely enables. Millions of minorities -- black, Jewish, Asian, Latinos -- have been able to overcome historical racial prejudice and, yes, racist institutions to achieve decent lives. This includes black immigrants from the Caribbean, whose ancestors also had their cultures, identities, and wealth cruelly stripped away from them centuries ago. I understand they actually do quite well here.

So, yes, I'm aware of the CRT narrative. But I think its reading of history treats certain selective historical facts as responsible in a grand, metaphysical way for every unequal outcome between blacks and whites. That has to be argued for, not merely assumed. In fact, though, it's not in any critical theory's nature to do that. Just looking at popular discourse, CRT's claims are taken as obviously true, and dissenters are denounced as racists. This is evidence of an ideology and not a well-justified, rational worldview.

"My grandfather literally built my mother's house from scratch and lived there for 50 years, working multiple jobs, one of which cost him his finger."


This is literally the point my dude. Your grandparents didn't face systemic and personal racism that prevented them from, among other things, getting loans and buying property (see: white flight, mortgage discrimination, redlining) and the wonderful fallout that those kinds of policies have caused.

The biggest indicator and vector of inter-generational wealth and prosperity in this country is property ownership and basically every generation of African Americans, except maybe the most recent two have faced some form of legal discrimination in this area. Your grandparents have owned their house for 50 years? That must have been pretty nice to be able to get a loan and buy land. The Fair Housing Act is only 54 years old and the Equal Credit Opportunity Act is less than 50 years old.

The point is not, and has never been, that your grandparents didn't work hard for what they had, or that you and your nieces are time traveling slave owners. The point is that the racial history of this country continues to make success, prosperity, and in some cases existence, a lot harder for some people. If there's an element of discomfort associated with coming to terms with that then maybe discomfort is a good thing.

Welp at least Kupa is admittedly ignorant. Slavery absolutely was the foundational feature of America's founding. Free involuntary labor generates an enormous amount of wealth. Its the ultimate fantasy of any capitalist. Not having to pay a dime for the means of production.

so yes, kids should learn about that because thats exactly what America is. A country that wouldn't be where it is today without slave labor. I know it sucks to admit that and its a tough pill to swallow.

"Critical race theory" is not real, it is a political buzzword invented by a Republican and seamlessly integrated into the public lexicon. No one with a brain cares if white people, or anyone, are "offended" by the teaching of the accurate, brutal and dehumanizing history of the United States of America. It's ugly, deal with it. Much like other political concepts that have been created and then weaponized, there's very little of substance to discuss.

In terms of Kupa's alleged ignorance, you speak of your family's anecdotal experience and allude to how millions of others like Jews and Latinos have achieved decent lives. It's irrelevant if a specific individual has achieved a decent life, the issue is how many people of color automatically face obstacles and how many of those obstacles prevent a decent life. These obstacles are historically, economically and socially placed, all, and they only exist because of a broader societal refusal to acknowledge and remove them. Frankly, your participation in this movement only ensures a lengthier process of improving race relations and opportunity in America, and increases the odds of immigrants like those you mention and your family being condemned to a hopeless future. CRT is not a real issue, it is political grandstanding to whitewash history. Otherwise, it just seems like a complaint when a teacher is just getting too lib in the class.

"This is literally the point my dude. Your grandparents didn't face systemic and personal racism that prevented them from, among other things, getting loans and buying property (see: white flight, mortgage discrimination, redlining) and the wonderful fallout that those kinds of policies have caused." {2}

this thread makes me want to die

Ronnie always writes a good chorus and this is no different.

I aint reading all that but this song is fucking HILARIOUS. the comedic value of this is insane

ive been digging their recent releases but this is bad bad bad bad

Mighty Mighty Bosstones Break up after 40 years: **crickets**

Ronnie Radke releases a shitty song: **intense debate about cancel culture and critical race theory spreads across the internet**

Crazy how something controversial stirs up discussion!

"American post-hardcore band"


LOL

https://i.imgur.com/bnDvjPk.png

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imagine being so dedicated to the cause that you're eager enough to spew 17 paragraphs worth of memeable content on a falling in reverse article lmao

Song is garbage, but I do like the music video. It's so absurd it's cool.

Also, the comments in this thread are the reason we can't have nice things. Ronnie is stirring the pot and ya'll fell right unto his trap.

discussing topics like this on sputnik always goes well

You can call this song shit if you want but it’s got people actually talking about cancel culture, so there’s that.

Also can we not just drop the R slur please?

o god another of these

ostensibly

indubitably

i concur

democrats invented the kkk

God it's just so boring.

This thread is also a mess. Literally every single person in here is wrong lmao.

including yo mama

Ronnie fucking rocks in a world where people are getting excommunicated from society for a benign tweet sent as a teenager 12 years ago he's like date raped his way through a quarter of Warped tour attendees and still truckin without consequence.

Gotta hand it to him.

Yeah I like half believe this whole cancel culture thing but for all people Ronnie Radke issuing complaint on it is rather comedic.

You know what they say, the loudest one in the room usually has the most to hide.

damn thread got sus pretty quick

this thread makes me want to die [2]

Ronnie is a rockstar in a time where rockstars are supposed to be a thing of the past, a legend