they don't want to be associated with Andrew Jackson, but they're keeping the same initials. if we all know what AJJ stands for then they're not really changing the name. i guess they don't want people to completely forget who they were/start from scratch? idk, just seems like you might as well use a brand new name

Seems a bit whiney based on reading their post but w/e. Never really liked them as a band.

for what purpose

pussies

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off.

Ugh, come on. I had the same reaction to TTNG. Great band, great original name, and needless change in favor of political correctness.

Viet Cong as well. i guess nobody's allowed to be (even mildly) controversial anymore.

That's fucking lame. While they are at it they should stop singing any of their songs that might offend someone.

band is overrated

dumb name change

That's right, people. Only Muslims can use the word jihad and don't ever mention controversial historical figures. Morons. Wasn't that the point? Having a name that was shocking and thought-provoking? This is seriously the most un-punk thing ever.

at least isis still has their name

They just got older and less punk

Yeah and Isis is a much more controversial name. Isis also has an excuse since they didn't know it would come to be a notorious terrorist group. AJJ has no excuse they're just bending under pc pressure.

I mean yeah but Isis broke up like forever ago so it's not like they're going to go back and change it now. I mean what's the point?

AJJ are just being a bunch of fags

Right no point but could possibly hurt their label's sales.

Never liked the band anyways so whatever.

dumb irrelevant band changes name to dumb abbreviation. world moves on, relatively few give any fucks at all

wouldn't call these guys irrelevant quite yet. this change might help with that tho

dumb

People are still going to refer to them as Andrew Jackson jihad so who cares it doesn't really matter

A punk band is worried about offending people?

Punk really is dead, isn't it?

Should be called The War on Christmas

oh ffs

Next week: Godspeed You! Black Emperor changed to Good Luck, African-American Gentleman.

This whole thread is a mess.

This whole thread is a mess. [2]

literally the same shit as TTNG. should just change the name ENTIRELY

this is fuckin dumb

Once you have a well established group who knows your name, it really doesn't matter...especially if you change it to an acronym

this is fuckin dumb [2]

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off. [2]

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off. [3]

Could be worse, This Town Needs Guns could do a similar name chang- fuck wait.

Also I'm not even the first to bring up TTNG damn

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

Do people even have skin anymore? Fucking hell, its a band name. It has nothing to do with the music itself -_-

Okay, listen, fellow non-Muslims. Whatever you think jihad means, it doesn't. We'll probably never fully comprehend its meaning no matter how hard we try--and it's clear from some of y'all's comments that you don't intend on trying at all. There are plenty of Muslim people who feel actively dehumanized whenever non-Muslim people use it in whatever context without grasping its cultural importance (one of them is a close friend of mine who hates this band for that very reason). And juxtaposing the word with a genocidal white American president just adds insult to injury. The band isn't changing their name to serve some abstract, intangible idea of "political correctness", they're doing it because their old name hurt people.

And honestly I'm getting pretty fucking sick of this prevailing idea that punk or comedy or whatever needs to piss everyone off indiscriminately or else it's lost its spine. Wild idea, but what if political art is most effective when it deliberately and carefully targets its anger or ridicule at systems of power, and *GASP* tries to right things when it inadvertently hurts people who already deal with enough bullshit from the rest of the world?

i'm not taking any stance on this religious issue but still, "ajj" just doesn't sound good at all

"People are still going to refer to them as Andrew Jackson jihad so who cares it doesn't really matter" [2]

No one is going to call them Ayy Jay Jay, so who gives a shit if they change their name. Every still calls them This Town Needs guns too so that name change was pretty much irrelevant.

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off. [4]

This whole thread is a mess. [3]

I've usually referred to them as AJJ anyway (got into the habit from character limits in texts), so this "change" isn't too big of a deal for me. Don't really think their choice is something to get upset over, but this *is* the internet so FREEDOM OF SPEECH IT'S PC CULTURE GONE MAD CAN'T LET THE SJWS WIN FUCK THEM FOR NOT SHARING MY CONVICTIONS

Not really feeling the new song, though.

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off. [5]

should've changed it to Andrew Jackson Jesus

"why are you all upset about that?"

Because most Sputnik users are 14 (or at least act like it)

@hesperus cmon dude. It's just absurd to think the usage of the word "Jihad" in a band name is liable and responsible for dehumanizing, discriminating and/or discrediting moderate Muslims in any meaningful way. Of those same Muslims like your friend who feel like the term is getting hijacked by a bunch of white guys playing indie punk, well they should really redirect their efforts and attentions to redefining the term from the religious conservatives who use it as a name for waging war against infidels. But even then they have to perform historical and theological acrobatics, because the term is unapologetically used in the Ko'ran and the Ha'dith in exactly that sense, ad-nauseum. And it even more absurd to make the argument that non-devout Muslims can't possibly understand the term Jihad in any real sense because it's an infinitely interchangeable, intangible, abstract concept.
Overall, your friend and any other Muslim who has similar feelings on this are losing perspective if they are getting offended and defensive over a problem which is not given immense impetus by white people, but by their own religious fundamentalist sects. And to be clear I don't mean this in a "collective blame/punishment" sort of sense, only that there is a steady stream of people like yourself who are more quick to put the blame on the Andrew Jackson Jihad for perpetuating a problem of which 99% of the energy is given to by the fundamentals of Wahhabi Sunni Islam itself.

They retweeted something like "only white irreligious dude bros don't like the name change". Err isn't folk punk pretty much the epitome of whiteness? Oh I forgot, you can vilify anything by relating it to the opinion of that old boogeyman the white male.

I don't think most people really care that much. I just think it's pretty tacky for a band to go by an abbreviation, especially after I had called them by the same name for about half a decade.

Good for them.

People getting butthurt because a band changed their name are a million times worse than the bamd trying to avoid controversy anyway, which tbh is a pretty sensible thing to do.

But no, it's PC gone mad! They're taking muh free speech! Muh band names!

"should've changed it to Andrew Jackson Jesus"

the first honestly good comment on this thread

>"but no, its PC gone mad!"
No, it's not that. I mean, PC gone mad would actually be them censoring and changing everything, like refusing to play "Be Afraid of Jesus" because of "I had a dream tonight that I cut off a piece of the baby Jesus to offend my friends"

it's natural for listeners to be bugged or even upset when they revert and/or hide a part of their namesake. A band that is not very politically correct to begin with is likely going to get backlash when they make a decision like that, it's just inevitable. It's literally as if the Dead Kennedys changed their name because they didn't want to insult the further generations of the president.

don't really care about the name either way but this new song is pretty dodgy

It makes absolutely no difference to their work at all, and people's reactions to this are ridiculous.

I'M SO OFFENDED THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OFFENSIVE

I feel like pissing off "punks" nowadays is the most "punk" thing you can do, so I accept this.

"they're doing it because their old name hurt people"

Yes, what pain they must be in because some random band they probably dont even listen to has the word "jihad" in it.

Why do people think its so terrible to be offended? And why do easily offended people think everyone else should have to censor themselves to protect their fragile ears and eyes?

Was it really offensive to begin with? Sure, I always their name was a bit quirky, but never offensive, which is why I don't get the decision to begin with. I always thought that their name was a dig at Andrew Jackson in the first place, saying how his actions were a "jihad" against the Native Americans. Besides, it's not as if the word "jihad" is offensive to begin with - it just means "struggle" in Arabic, and its usage never was problematic to begin with. I disagree with Viet Cong's decision to change their name, but at least they had people who felt extremely publically uncomfortable with it.

"should've changed it to Andrew Jackson Jesus"

Jesse Jackson Jesus >

Michael Jackson Jerome

"Was it really offensive to begin with?"

I dont think thats the point. People found it offensive, and thats fine. Youre entitled to feel that way. But this PC culture we live in gives in to the demands of whiners who are so sensitive that they wouldnt even let a band play because of their name (talking about viet cong). Now, in andrew jackson jihads case, idk if they were pressured into it or not. But if they werent, thats even worse. Theyre perpetuating and enabling PC culture by giving in to crybabies who think they should never have to go through the horrors of being offended. And in viet congs case, they were forcibly censored because of their name. That is not ok.

"Michael Jackson Jerome" [2]

Lame, but I still love them.

Punk Pussys

Lol laaaaame. Love them, though.

I feel like pissing off "punks" nowadays is the most "punk" thing you can do, so I accept this. [2]

This, hard. I hope you guys realize that you sound like crotchety old men when you talk about "PC culture". It's pretty embarrassing, frankly. But I guess being "tough" through willful ignorance is something that you value, so whatever.

While I don't believe that artists should be edgy and offensive for the sake of being edgy and offensive, I also know that there are practically no artists who made it by trying to appease everybody in the world. The bottom line is that people will offend people, that's just the way the world works.

I don't even listen to the band, but I don't think they should've changed their name

the amount of 'faggot' and 'pussy' in this thread is fucking embarrassing lmao, y'all need a hug or something

Its less about "being tough" and more about the issue of censorship. But yes, there are some whiny crybabies out there who cant handle being offended.

"Wild idea, but what if political art is most effective when it deliberately and carefully targets its anger or ridicule at systems of power, and *GASP* tries to right things when it inadvertently hurts people who already deal with enough bullshit from the rest of the world?"

Ever thought some muslims on the other side of the world do possess systemic power? Or do you have some convenient SJW definition like "system of power = white people + America/Europe." Check out the Iranian metal band Confess. They are under arrest and might be put to death for "insulting the prophet." They can't even fight the man themselves, which happens to be using extremist jihad. But let's tell AJJ how "hateful" their name is. http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/77196049/iranian-metal-band-confess-reportedly-facing-execution

they're just words shut the fuck up

band is full of bitches

weak

Not expecting people to censor themselves when something offends you isnt being tough btw, its being an adult and not expecting everyone to change what theyre saying in their art or speech just because you dont like it.

^like seriously, who gives a shit, i've never heard someone genuinely offended over this band name in the first place anyways

Yeah and Isis is a much more controversial name. Isis also has an excuse since they didn't know it would come to be a notorious terrorist group. AJJ has no excuse they're just bending under pc pressure. [2]

They literally made their name something edgy, then changed it 10 years later as if they "grew up." They then retweet some chick talking about "m-muh white males." Fuck these guys lol

I still don't see the problem though. Yeah, it's what they've been identified as, and changing the name isn't going to make people forget the old name, especially the way they're going about it.

But people change as they get older, and being edgy for the sake of being edgy is just silly. There's no winning situation here. Either they themselves are unhappy continuing on with the name so they change it to satisfy themselves and get shit on for being "pc pussies," or they go on with the name being unhappy with something they no longer think is cool, funny, edgy, or something they just no longer identify with.

the whole getting older, changing thing doesn't even apply tho. i mean they're still making just as shitty, not serious music as they were 10 years ago so

Well, in that case, they're just dumbasses.

Even though they made the original name with offensive connotations in mind unlike Isis, I can still almost understand them changing the name. If they were trying to mature their sound, shed off their previous image and come out different people essentially, that would be fine.
But to then retweet some chick saying "lol white dudes amirite" is so juvenile and counterproductive to what they seem to be trying to convey with the name change.
As if punk folk isn't literally the whitest genre I can think of

"But people change as they get older, and being edgy for the sake of being edgy is just silly."

If thats all it was i wouldnt care. But the first reason they listed reeks of PC bullshit. Its obvious theyre just jumping on the PC bandwagon.

they're furthering the sjw folk punk agenda R.I.P.

This sounds similar to the viet Cong change. Whatever works for them I guess.

Edit: actually, viet Cong actually changed their name because it affected them getting t into shows. These guys just abbreviated it which I feel most people who knew about these guys before hand will keep referring to them as their previous name so this doesn't seem that much like a big deal honestly.

but there's another point right there. the name viet cong (while it obviously wasn't meant to be offensive, nor was it really) has a possibility to be misconstrued as offensive. there is NOTHING blatantly offensive about the name andrew jackson jihad, and how anyone could see it as so needs to actually educate themselves on the words "jihad" and "satire"

It sounds offensive to certain people though and instead of educating every single person that might be offended they just changed thier name to avoid any conflicts. I could be ok with that.

wow

No.

I'm also not emotionally invested in this band so I also don't care much what they call themselves so.

Name is much less offensive than any all-caps-no-vowel bollocks.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"It sounds offensive to certain people though and instead of educating every single person that might be offended they just changed their name to avoid any conflicts."

Made the mistake of wearing a shirt of theirs in public once or twice and ended up explaining the name to way too many people at once. I understand controversial names are used to spur greater conversations, but people's ignorance is a bit exhausting. And even for those who don't care for the name (anywhere from bonafide offended to "really, dude?"), I get that. I was personally not offended, but taking steps to possibly offend fewer people, regardless of motive, isn't really a bad thing.

With this kind of response, you would've thought they slaughtered a puppy or something.

Slaughtering a puppy might get them their punk cred back.

Loving all the pissed off bros in the comments. Props to AJJ.

"Punk cred"

As a big fan of the band, I'm really not sure if they ever had punk cred in the first place. Maybe on their first album, but everything since then has been preachy, "respect your fellow man, man" type stuff. I am indifferent on what is and isn't punk, but songs like "People" don't seem very punk to me.

"Respect your fellow man. Unless they are white male dudebros that don't understand your name change, in that case put them on blast."

I'm one letter away from being a WASP male and I think we need to get over the pseudo-oppression we allegedly face.

Im fine with them changing their name, if they feel like they should change the name on their beliefs then good for them.

Of course, making it AJJ, which is just an abbreviation of Andrew Jackson Jihad seems pretty silly.

Torts you need to just abandon this thread tbh

Pussies

i didn't even know that Viet Cong changed their name, too. that really sucks that they're doing that right after their first album. it's like all that success (for a band in their vein) was just a false start. they'll probably have better luck with people actually using their new name than these guys tho

Everyone here who seems to think being politically correct is a bad thing should probably just log off tbqh until they stop being ignorant little shits.

Like seriously guys who gives a shit that they changed their name

but you dont understand, their punk cred is gone!!11!!!!1 the evil es jay dobble U are ruining muzic!!1!1

look! another thread sinternet takes the moral highground!!

Political correctness is for fags.

sinternet is like king PC, PC principal is only his servant

nah but really why do guys really care so much about the fact that AJJ abbreviated their name? like there is literally nothing that gets affected here in the long run but your own insane conspiracy that the PC crowd is going to ruin all of your favorite media industries somehow.

Pussies

i dont really give a shit if they changed their name, i just think it's the fact they change their name because they're afraid of offending someone out there

What if they wanted to change it on their own accord though? Like they didnt feel comfortable carrying the name on their own beliefs? For Viet Cong they changed their name because they did feel like it was very offensive for the connotation it carried (though apparently it was just because they couldnt land festivals with the name) but for these fellas it couldve just been for themselves and literally no one else.

i mean, they literally say "he was an odious person and our fascination with him has grown stale" when referencing why theyre "dropping" the Andrew Jackson part from their name.

Something about a punk band changing their name to appease a politically correct mindset just rankles with me. Honestly I listened to them for the first time because their name was Andrew Jackson Jihad and I thought that was hilarious.

I mean come on. The band that sang: "Fuck God anyway, God is obsolete" changing their name because it could be construed as offensive.

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

not offend, not offend, not offend

"For Viet Cong they changed their name because they did feel like it was very offensive for the connotation it carried"

it was such a perfect name for a band like them though. the Viet Cong were the ones defending Vietnam from the U.S., basically. it's a powerful reminder. what offensive connotation does it carry?

all in all, it does seem really weird that this band is doing this. like they're totally different people now or something.

Thread is all types of embarrassing and groan-worthy, from both sides.

Never cared about these guys, but the reasons don't seem too far-fetched and unreasonable. In the end you can't please everyone, anyways.

Changing to initials is meaningless because those initials still stand for the same words, which means it is just PR fluff

It's wrong to conflate changing the name as a pure reaction from political correctness, like Parallel said;
"I mean, PC gone mad would actually be them censoring and changing everything, like refusing to play "Be Afraid of Jesus" because of "I had a dream tonight that I cut off a piece of the baby Jesus to offend my friends""

But at least some element of political correctness is in the equation and let's face it, political correctness is as infuriating to see tickling the feet of any entertainment medium as any pissfuck concept but hey w/e just go home and have a beer.

I am home but I'm not going to have a beer before I go to work. I'll be sleepy all day.

oh well it's just a saying

Is it? I've never heard it

when did punk become so safe?

it's more "go home an hav a bitta" but yeaaah moight just be an aussie thing

Refused is turning over in their grave filled with reunion money

2edgy4u: the band

'it was such a perfect name for a band like them though. the Viet Cong were the ones defending Vietnam from the U.S., basically. it's a powerful reminder. what offensive connotation does it carry? '

this i agree with, the Viet Cong were practically heroes compared to the US in that conflict, but thern again America doesn't like being questioned about the mistakes of their past

'look! another thread sinternet takes the moral highground!! '

apologies, i'll just take the lowground then and be offensive for the sake of being offensive like a name-calling 5 year old

Whoa there pal, why don't you go and dunk your butthole in a bowl of cool milk. You'll feel better.

We're all friends here. Debating the follies of modern punk.

seriously it's their fucking choice for their own reasons to change whatever they want and all of y'all seem too dumb to realize that you are also offended at their choice, i swear a majority of you must have had awful relationships with your father or something my god lol, why does saying a bunch of nonsensical slurs make you feel more 'punk', listen to the fucking music or don't ya tryhards

Except this guy. Fuck him.

i wasn't serious whatsoever with that comment and was expressing my frustration at the fact that people are actually calling them faggots just for changing their name, people are going way overboard imo. The anti-pc brigade is just as prevalent and self-righteous as any SJW

people getting offended by a band changing their name because it could be deemed offensive, pretty ironic

sounds like a south park episode

the day punk died RIP

yeah, what happened to the safety pins, swastikas and smashing guitars through amps?

Sinternet getting offended over people being offended by him being offended by them being offended by a band changing their offensive band name

"The anti-pc brigade is just as prevalent and self-righteous as any SJW"

this

Bands shouldn't be afraid to offend people. Maybe they didn't like the name anymore but they wouldn't have kept the initials if that was the case.

offend is bad

Well punk bands don't get signed to major labels anymore and amps are actually preeeeeeeetty expensive

'but they wouldn't have kept the initials if that was the case'

they kept the initials so we can think of new names for them

i'm personally partial to Aunty Juggalo's Juiceboxes

Why bother changing your name and making a statement about it if all you're gonna do is abbreviate it? Like, the name hasn't really changed cos each letter stands for something. You're gonna read AJJ and think "Andrew Jackson Jihad" anyways so what's changed?

What a bunch of fgts.

Ajj can stand for another jive juxtaposition now.

I'm seriousness though, if I ever made a name and wasn't feeling the band name anymore, I'd want to be able to change it without my fans calling me out as being sjwed.

Well you will never be able to change your name without people getting stupidly offended over it regardless of your reasoning, so make sure you pick something you like.

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

punk fucking rock

AJJ? What a terrible band name lol

So they don't want to disrespect Muslims with their use of the term jihad, which has almost entirely negative connotations unless you are a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim. Ok.
So they don't want to be associated with Andrew Jackson, who all in all was a pretty decent president but is one of the latest victims to the "lets focus on what a historical figure did that is not okay by today's standards, rabble rabble." Ok.
Like, I really don't see the rationale behind either of these changes.

Punk rockers don't give a fuck...as long as they don't offend certain people.
Stupid PC move on their part

'So they don't want to disrespect Muslims with their use of the term jihad, which has almost entirely negative connotations unless you are a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim. Ok.'

Yep most muslims disagree with this. However due to the ignorance of the general public and false extreme stereotypes of Muslims the general public is likely to associate Jihad with all muslims because of extremists and so that change saves the inevitable controversy the name could cause.

'Andrew Jackson, who all in all was a pretty decent president'

Yeah the Indian Removal Act was really decent of him

Jackson was a great President and a terrible human being.

As far as the name change goes, I don't care at all. It's the bands decision, let em do whatever they want.

Ugh anti-PC is even more annoying than hyper-pc

Middle of the road is worse than BOTH! Pick a side you fucking communist piece of shit!

¯_(ツ)_/¯

shouts out marx

marx lights sparks in my heart kill the narcs

Ugh anti-PC is even more annoying than hyper-pc


yeah. they can be just as annoying as excessively pc folk yeah

marx disproved changing ur bands name yeeeears ago

Marx debunked Andrew Jackson YEEEEAAARS AGO

Well you cant really blame people for being fed up with the retardation that is PC culture. Its gotten ridiculous.

I was going to say the opposite.

both are true lol

in what way has it gotten ridiculous?

the tendency for either group to go at each others throats rather than have an intelligent discussion, although yeah the anti-pc brigade is more guilty of that. But yeah seems everybody has it dialed up to 11

@sinternet theres a great example in this thread: viet cong being forced to change their name because they couldnt play shows.

"so they're just changing their name to offend less people but they're still going to play the same music as they did before? why are you all upset about that?" [2]

Jesus this whole site is full of children.

Why is that? I can agree that using such language as "faggot" and "pussy" is childish, but personally I have no problem with anyone calling out this decision for what it is - needlessly apologetic. I could care less what the band calls themselves. What bothers me is that they let the possibility of offending a religious group - a group by the way, whose beliefs go largely under-criticized by leftists - dictate their actions.

andrew jackson jihad was wordy as shit anyways. they should've done this a few albums ago when they introduced the full band. also the new song is great.

'I could care less what the band calls themselves. What bothers me is that they let the possibility of offending a religious group - a group by the way, whose beliefs go largely under-criticized by leftists - dictate their actions.
'

so firstly you say you could care less (i believe you mean couldn't) what the band calls itself, but you are getting all butthurt that they have for the 'wrong' reasons, even though you say you don't care. secondly, you lump over a billion people from all far corners of the earth and many different backgrounds into 'a group' as if they were some hivemind little congregation who all believe exactly the same things across the board, which is pretty ignorant. thirdly you make the incorrect assumption that leftists do not criticise using islamic texts as law or questioning islamic beliefs, which we do, we just have the decency and insight to realise one billion people aren't the same and the average muslim isn't planning to blow up your town hall. finally, you say that 'the band are letting muslims dictate their actions' when no muslim has visibly objected and the band have said that they made this choice themselves because they no longer want to be known that way. so all in all, learn to read and don't jump to ignorant conclusions

'@sinternet theres a great example in this thread: viet cong being forced to change their name because they couldnt play shows.'

i can't remember the exact reasons behind their name change so I could be wrong, but i would imagine that considering most left-wing interpretations of the Vietnam war paint the Viet Cong as the 'good' guys, wouldn't the reaction come from more right-wing beliefs that they were 'evil commies' and a threat to America and so the band was glorifying them?

First off thanks for correcting my grammar. Secondly, ultimately I don't care what the band calls themself. In the long run it doesnt effect me. Thirdly, I never lumped together every single Muslim together. But the Quran says some fucked up shit, that's a fact. That doesn't mean EVERY Muslim is bad, but Islam itself is irrational bullshit that completely deserves criticism. My main issur is that, when people do so, people like you step in with your "Not All Muslims" bullshit. NOBODY except extreme right wingers
is saying ALL Muslims engage in such behavior. So it becomes irritating whenever the focus shifts away from legitimately criticizing and trying to do away with bullshit ideas. I know not all Muslims are evil, I'm just sick of people defending such nonsense.

Sinternet, being "butthurt" is no the point. Read what the band said. Is what they said logical and are the ideas defensible? "We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."
How many words would we have to stop using in order to be "responsible" given this faulty logic? Every word that was coined by a religious group if we're actually being fair. Using a word with a completely different context is "disrespectful?" How so? If I say "gun" does it make you instinctively wanna shoot someone? Why would saying "Jihad" hurt anyone? It's inconsistent and absurd.

that's not very punk rock of them tbh

Man, first the SJWs invade Metal and now Punk?

Is nothing sacred anymore?

uh punk has been a bastion of SJWs for well over 30 years now the fuck u talkin bout

Really don't see the point of it. It's not like they were getting kicked out of gigs like Viet Cong did, or receiving death threats from the Middle East or whatever. And they never struck me as the most politically correct band anyway. But as long as their music doesn't suffer I guess I can't complain too much.

Evidence Hep?

@sinternet idk who was offended by it or why, but id assume your reasoning is correct.

"Evidence Hep?"
listen to punk lol. plenty of punk advocates various avenues of social justice and whathaveyou. the term SJW is just relatively recent, is all, and obv the internet wasn't the breeding ground, but

this nigga man

my evidence is that i AM punk and you are NOT smdh

THere's a hefty difference between advocating for Social Justice and being a outrage culture SJW. I can't imagine an album where Green Day told people to stop being offensive, or changed their shit cause people didn't like it. Same for the Sex Pistols.

Great argument Hep. I definitely am more inclined to accept your point on things now.

OMG r u addled boy????!!!!???!?

I refuse to support AJJ's music after this.
If you give into political correctness like this, you lose access to my wallet.

"being a outrage culture SJW"
plenty of old school bands WERE that voice though. yeah, there's a ~difference~ but a lot of the stuff modern "SJW"s speak regarding in 2016 was stuff bands like New York Dolls were the living embodiment of decades prior.

I will give you that. A lot of the things Progressive's stood for nowadays have become much more radicalized and twisted. It does seem different though in that it seems less about "Being against the establishment and fuck everybody" and more of "Being against things that make tumblrtards sad and fuck different opinions". Maybe I am just not seeing the truth.

@Thumbnail Fucking rekt em m8

Uh dude just jam some barriocore, taqwacore, queercore, anarcho-punk, or riotgrrrl, then get back to me smdh

taqwacore lol, brb googling

u do that

"Man, first the SJWs invade Metal and now Punk?

Is nothing sacred anymore?"



tell me bout it. i bet the punks are gonna start talking about politics next fuck this generation

ashen I kinda don't like you but when you make posts like that I kinda sorta do like you idk

What about queefpunk tho

oh wow didnt even notice the rest of this thread lol. gotta love white kids fighting the good fight against political correctness 👌

Agreed PC is pretty gross

"oh wow didnt even notice the rest of this thread lol. gotta love white kids fighting the good fight against political correctness"

Gotta love angsty white college kids feeling unwarranted white guilt fighting the good fight against their own race to appeal to other races in hopes of getting social standing.

Now obviously I'm playing devil's advocate here, but they've changed their sound from folk-punk to a more mainstream "indie" one, so perhaps the name change has nothing to do with "offending Muslims" and simply the fact that "Andrew Jackson Jihad" sounds too wacky to appeal to a larger audience, while "AJJ" works just fine for that purpose. The guise of political correctness would warp it into that they changed it for sensitivity, not because they were selling out.

"Gotta love angsty white college kids feeling unwarranted white guilt fighting the good fight against their own race to appeal to other races in hopes of getting social standing."

im not white but nice meme

but good job telling on urself that you think that not offending other people = trying to appeal to them and fighting against the white race™ 😂 😂

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

id b offended by their former name if their music was any good ayyylmaoooo

ayy

"1.) We are not Muslims, and as such, it is disrespectful and irresponsible for us to use the word jihad in our band's name."

ugh, fuck off. [6]

So punk rock...

"And honestly I'm getting pretty fucking sick of this prevailing idea that punk or comedy or whatever needs to piss everyone off indiscriminately or else it's lost its spine. Wild idea, but what if political art is most effective when it deliberately and carefully targets its anger or ridicule at systems of power, and *GASP* tries to right things when it inadvertently hurts people who already deal with enough bullshit from the rest of the world?" [2]

Preach dude

a1 post agreed

michael jackson leotard

wtf is this thread...

Awful band name is now an even worse band name.

This thread is a bunch of fucking Reds.

bunch of pussy conformists if you ask me, i hope isis changes their name to AJJ just to fuck them over

The fact that jihad exists means it's okay to be disrespectful.

since american imperialism exists, i guess it's time to go ham on all the fine gentlesirs itt

Isis should reunite and release an album called Andrew Jackson Jihad

"Wild idea, but what if political art is most effective when it deliberately and carefully targets its anger or ridicule at systems of power"

2016 systems of power = blame whitey for everyone's problems
They should target actual concerns like loss of free speech, real oppression in third world countries, and blatant mismanagement of finances across the globe.

Nah, they should name it "we're not changing our band name just because some people are offended by it like those little bitches in 'ajj' (fuckn lol shitty name what pussies)"

Yeah...that would be perfect.

loss of free speech the #1 most important concern in the world today

we live in a world where you can't even yell out white power at a concert without a backlash, it's PC gone mad I tell ya. GOSH

"loss of free speech the #1 most important concern in the world today

we live in a world where you can't even yell out white power at a concert without a backlash, it's PC gone mad I tell ya. GOSH"

He can yell out white power just as much as any BLM protester can yell out black power.
Freedom of speech means everyone has the right to be retarded, regardless of race.

I don't particularly understand the point of name change if the abbreviation still means essentially the same thing, but okay guys, you do you.

yes but freedom of speech doesn't mean immunity from criticism. also choosing not to offend ppl is also exercising freedom of speech, so being against that in the name of free speech is slightly ironic

freedom of speech also isn't absolute so idk why ppl act like some magical sacred institution has been violated in these situations

Pointless.

Keyblade, you are misrepresenting the problem. Criticism is allowed on both sides as you said. So, we should look at which criticisms are logical and which are absurd. Stupid things like only Muslims can use that word or saying jihad in whatever context is hurting some Muslim somewhere is ridiculous. THAT is what the band says. The valid criticism is of their faulty reasoning for changing it.

Thank you, AJJ. Many infidel souls have been spared due to your gracious consideration.

Isn't the whole purpose of "punk" to offend people? [∞]

"No one is going to call them Ayy Jay Jay"

If they spelled it like that, they might have.

"Isn't the whole purpose of "punk" to offend people? [∞]"

Only if it is the right side that is being offended.

@friday ur right but let's be real most of the criticism itt is nowhere near as nuanced as your post and is basically ppl ironic butthurt about PC culture and muhh freedom of speech

i wouldnt say their reason is dumb at all. reading their statement right now and all it said was it's disrespectful and irresponsible. they didn't even say that only muslims can use that word. but, as a muslim myself i'm not particularly fussed about the word being used, not because it's not wrong but because its meaning has been grossly misconstrued in the westdecades ago...it's basically a meme now so it's w/e

but i 'preciate the sentiment nonetheless, and the fact that it got a bunch of people's panties in a twist is a nice ironic bonus. "i have the right to be offensive, but u cant offend me!"

punk is a music genre. i know there are connotations attached to music genres, but theyre not obligated to act one way or the other because of the style of music they play.

yea and ppl are completely missing the point of punk if they think the whole purpose is to offend people lmao

if your reaction to this is anything but "ok cool" you probably a hoe

Crappy band changes their name for stupid reasons and that really grind people's gears for some reason

the rapster Icicle from NWACP can have a song called Buck the Devil but the word jihad is offensive what is the world coming to???

jihads are pretty rad

@bach yea p much like y u having opinions stfu

Dumb band name to begin with. I think their reasoning that using the word "jihad" is offensive and irresponsible *because* they aren't Muslims is a little wrong, but ok.

no one's opinion matters and everyone dies alone and also this band sucks

Your opinion about this band sucking doesn't matter. We all die alone anyway.

That's a fact because I'm right about everything try again

I want to believe this is a joke. This seems like a joke. I'm going to assume this is a joke.

@Keyblade okay you're right about it not having to do with freedom of speech. Most people assume if it has to do with pc it's also infringing free speech. But think about the statements made by the band. Saying something is "irresponsible" and disrespectful" under the condition of not being a part of that religion is something in line with pc culture. We need to reject these rigid social rules and start looking at the motives of people. Sensible people are offended not by words but by the motives behind them. No group should have a monopoly on a set of words. But pc culture will tell you it's "cultural appropriation" and it's bad and our lives must continue to be segregated.

you're right people need to look at the intention but some people are going to be offended regardless, unfortunately not everyone can look at these things in a nuanced manner. it's simply being considerate to choose to not offend those people

honestly it should be lauded if anything. why is 'pc culture' considered so insidious? this is literally a band who made a decision of their own free will, not coerced in any way on their own name. even if the reasons are completely illogical and stupid...so? it's such a non-issue, and i find this backlash completely baffling. well not really cuz i know where it's coming from but still. completely ridiculous

I wasn't offended by the old name, and I don't really care that they changed it. What really baffles me is how such a small thing can be such a big deal to some people.

it's weird dude. ppl are personally offended that...someone chooses not to offend other ppl lol

'Pc culture' seems to be a catch-all term nowadays for anything that doesn't personally benefit whoever says it

"I wasn't offended by the old name, and I don't really care that they changed it. What really baffles me is how such a small thing can be such a big deal to some people."

I love how people are giving AJJ shit for compromising to avoid offending people, while theyre getting more upset about their name than anyone else on this entire planet. lol.

i wonder what their reaction would be if ajj rescinded their change in an effort to appease them lmao

I feel like a lot of the people complaining that this isn't very punk of them has a shitty concept of what punk is. Most of the punks that I know here in the UK are left wing, so I really don't see a conflict with them doing what they're doing.

lol so let me get this straight. they're changing their name to ajj, which is an abbreviation for andrew jackson jihad, because they think it's offensive to muslims and they don't want any association with andrew jackson... but the name is still the same, just abbreviated.

besides the fact that the name is basically the same thing anyways and people have been using the ajj abbreviation for years, this is pretty stupid. it's offensive to use the word jihad in a band title? this is the kind of conformist, rearguard-defenses that people feel obligated to because of ultra-liberal pc advocates. everything is fucking racist these days

'everything is fucking racist these days '

most things are tbh

A lot of things are racist; evening in general terms, "most things" is a bit of an exaggeration. That said, it depends on where you live, and perhaps your reality is far different to mine.

But the term "Jihad" isn't racist, and the name change isn't "wrong" as much as it is incredibly odd. For a band that's name was designed to be offensive, and whose music sometimes relies on being offensive, it doesn't make too much sense and is likely indicative of changes to their lyrical content. Which isn't too important or a big deal, but it's why it's gotten so much backlash. And why I wouldn't be too surprised for them to reveal this as a joke.

Haha guys we were joking

Just a joke

haha

guys

jihad means struggle, not "go blow up urself in a white populated city" so idk why they changed their name but w/e

that's what it means in the west bro unfortunately. just like how allahu akbar is a suicide bomb chant apparently

"(among Muslims) a war or struggle against unbelievers."
"ISLAM
the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin."