TheSonomaDude
05.28.25 | i mean really for people born before 1990 all that matters is if the music riffs or if you have nostalgia for it. |
Asdfp277
05.28.25 | level 2 is waaayyy too vague |
budgie
05.28.25 | the only artist whose music i loved but soured on it after their personhood is richard wagner
mmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe grimes too still in the process of reconciliation |
Futures
05.28.25 | nothing really. not like i seek it out intentionally but if it's a highly rated album it isn't a deterrent. so much stuff happens after you already love the music and i won't ever stop listening to something i already loved. so to be consistent it has to be all ok for me. so many people pick and choose. and of course there is a difference between just listening in private and active support as in buying merch or going to shows.
i also find metal easier to separate as well since it is less lyrically and personality driven. but really music is almost strictly music to me as long as it isn't a celebration of heinous crimes which is an obvious massive edge case that i struggle to think of examples. |
brickhed
05.28.25 | eh the only line i draw is being a pedophile
which is is /f is the only artist i won't touch with a 10 foot pool |
Dedes
05.28.25 | Only band that ever became personally rough to even try listening to for me was Daughters but that's simply because the lyrics and atmosphere itself are directly attached/are by byproducts of Alexis Marshall's deranged/psychopathic/abusive behavior. It's hard to view the music in the same light after someone makes a 10 page document detailing the many layers of your mental and sexual abuse. |
Dedes
05.28.25 | Tbh I don't much listen to bands like Arghoslent or GBK anymore out of a natural disdain that started to surface more over time but it's definitely not as intentional an avoidance |
jrlikestodance
05.28.25 | List needs Brand New |
Emim
05.28.25 | Only one I ever really stopped listening to wholesale was Lostprophets. |
MillionDead
05.28.25 | Case by case for sure. Can't help how news may hit me in a moment or how much of an emotional connection I already had with the material. I guess around generally 7-10 depending on the artist and how much I actually enjoy the music. And still, that probably applies much more often with newer groups that I only like a little or felt ambivalent to than old institution type artists like Chuck Berry, Rick James, The Beatles, etc, along with many of the classic rock groups that people pretty much ubiquitously enjoy. Like Iggy and even Bowie, whose music I still absolutely love, aren't clear. Many rappers that people enjoy are likely murderers due to whatever set of circumstances.
All in all, there's probably always a more useful battleground you could fight for your beliefs on than what art you do or don't consume. Like I think Lars Von Trier is a shithead that I wouldn't grab a drink with, but I see merit in a lot of his movies. I'm totally behind not giving money to artists whose actions you don't support though. I've found that most people that have strong feelings about people's behaviors in these conversations never volunteer, demonstrate, organize, etc. They seem more interested in virtue signaling in the moment than making the world better in a material way. |
DaveyMonsoon
05.28.25 | Yeah I'm all for separating the art and artist considering just how many problematic artists there are out there, and who knows if someone can be a terrible person just in secret, but it's nearly impossible to make a separation when the artist's views are reflected directly in the music. It's why I don't touch stuff like Arghoslent because not only are they awful people, but they decide to make their views known in their music. Meanwhile Jon Nodtveidt was absolutely an awful person that murdered someone in a homophobic hate crime, but he didn't really write anything concerning homophobia. And plus he's dead, so I don't have to worry about supporting him financially when he's... ya know, dead. |
Asdfp277
05.28.25 | if an artist so much as hints at being homophobic, i'm out. Sorry, can't help it! |
RVAHC13
05.28.25 | I can separate the art from the artist, same stretches over from sports to literature to actual art and so on. Mark Kozelek is one of my favorite songwriters ever and I can appreciate that without ever wanting to meet him in real life. I still have fond memories of Lostprophets despite Ian Watkins being a terrible terrible terrible person. There’s a lot of people on here who love Burzum and probably (hopefully) don’t condone stabbing bandmates to death.
I look at it this way, I dont have to just appreciate their involvement but also the other musicians in the band who contributed songs/lyrics, the engineers that recorded and produced the album, the artists who designed the album covers etc. I won’t however support artists who profit off of negative publicity and use it to continue to make money, a la 4. |
Asdfp277
05.28.25 | it doesn't help that I listen to a lot of women, which are not particularly known for being homophobic, murderous, pedo groomers, etc. Nicki Minaj is married to a convicted rapist, and Gloria Trevi was part of a child trafficking ring, but other than that, yeah |
budgie
05.28.25 | the thing with lars von trier is that his films are so shitty you're not losing anything if you refuse to watch his garbage because he sympathizes with hitler |
Futures
05.28.25 | complicated or downright awful people can make some great art with merit because it draws from a truly dark place that most don't relate to and that is hard to contend with. i think it's worthwhile to engage with art like that since it can offer insight into just human psychology really. but i also don't blame anyone who can't do that.
i definitely don't get needing everyone to agree with you on every opinion though and like cutting off listening to bands from one members tweets. |
Asdfp277
05.28.25 | I do think that when it comes to difference of political opinion, at the very least you should analyse on a case-by-case basis, and not just jump to conclusions, especially if those conclusions come from a third party interpreting the situation for you |
swallowtales
05.29.25 | For me it usually has to be there is something I find offensive in the music itself, and then selected other things outside of that that would put me off. |
asanisimasa
05.29.25 | I'm gonna be honest I think I might listen to anything by anybody as long as it's worth my time musically. The thing I love about music is that it transcends everything else in my life, even my values. I also think that art should reflect every aspect of life, even the worst |
ToSmokMuzyki
05.29.25 | soundwaves are sinless |
twlight
05.29.25 | Rape, murder, pedophilia
I Don’t care about other people’s political or ideological opinions |
Arked
05.29.25 | I'm at level 12. |
Beardog
05.29.25 | I think I would follow Davey's line of thought. As a Christian I also evade music that is obviously praising Satan and things like that. However I don't have any issue with music that is critical on Christianity, that's just fair with how most Christians behave haha |
Egarran
05.29.25 | Some artists I like describe how righteous supernatural forces kill lots of people and send their souls to eternal torture.
These compositions are regularly used by actual murderers and pedophiles. |
Demon of the Fall
05.29.25 | 12 with the caveat that I can actually separate the two while I'm in the throws of aural pleasure
like, if an artist's work contains obvious* lyricism which becomes a lot more fucked up in the event they commit the more severe crimes here (essentially anything beyond general violence / shitty political opinions)
(*obvious in the sense the lyrics are clearly legible because I wouldn't be reading up on them)
just knowing they're a piece of absolute scum is nothing to deter me by itself, it has to ruin my otherwise enjoyable listening experience(s) |
ArsMoriendi
05.29.25 | Is it weird that I want level 4 and 5 swapped? A bar fight could fall under Level 5 and that's not nearly as bad as the Nazi shit Kanye says (Level 4)
Level 4 (minus maybe level 5) and up could detract me from STARTING an artist, but stopping? ...
This is a tough one since I've never stopped listening to artist over moral issues, (RHCP for instance even though Kiedis admitted to "Level 10.") I guess for now, that means "Nothing" but that mainly just says I'm potentially too attached to the music I already have loved |
Josh D.
05.29.25 | This list should be titled "Tell On Yourself" |
arthropod
05.29.25 | I draw the line at the musician being from Ukraine, what level is that? |
ArsMoriendi
05.29.25 | Is your last name Putin? |
arthropod
05.29.25 | Just joking. |
Beardog
05.29.25 | Josh D. projecting like an absolute chad |
Colton
05.29.25 | dividing it into pre-defined levels is crazy |
Beardog
05.29.25 | Not crazy imo but not useful. A lot of the levels overlap a ton or focus on weird aspects |
Egarran
05.29.25 | It's not crazy if you think your cultural activities can protect people from abuse. |
osmark86
05.29.25 | I don't like listening to nonces |
YoYoMancuso
05.29.25 | using Ronnie Radke, who was involved in a murder, as the example for level 1 is pretty funny |
IsisScript80
05.29.25 | "Is it weird that I want level 4 and 5 swapped? A bar fight could fall under Level 5 and that's not nearly as bad as the Nazi shit Kanye says (Level 4)"
Nah, not weird. I agree.
"Fighting" has at times been seen as cool, with badassery as a selling point (Josh Homme, I can think of as prime example). Way lower than being than being the kind of hateful fuck Kanye became. |
Beardog
05.29.25 | Egarran speak clearly please |
mryrtmrnfoxxxy
05.29.25 | a level 4 sucks shit but idk probably won't sway me too much
level 5 seems dumb idc about some bar fight or if the musician kicked a fan in the face at a show or whatever
level 6 and up im probably not fucking with em. maybe |
osmark86
05.29.25 | Egarran speaks in tidbits of academic wisdom. Let the man cook. |
ToSmokMuzyki
05.29.25 | if a murderer fells a tree in a forest, does it make a sinister sound? |
osmark86
05.29.25 | The murderer or the tree or the forest? |
Egarran
05.29.25 | >Egarran speak clearly please
SOME believe that cultural activities, like canceling artists, can help protect people from abuse by influencing the artist or their audience (who are of course latent abusers), so it may not be crazy to sort immoral actions into different levels of seriousness.
With this handy categorization they can keep their integrity intact by buying stuff from a dick but not from a murderer.
...I'm not sure that was clear. |
mkmusic1995
05.29.25 | ^ this makes sense, haven't really thought of it from that perspective. As someone who generally separates art from artist with maybe a few exceptions just based on the egregious nature of an artists actions, I can totally understand feeling the need to categorize morality based on your own views. |
Egarran
05.29.25 | Yay thanks. |
Beardog
05.29.25 | Thanks Egarran, I get it now. |
TheGreatQ
05.29.25 | Nothing, unless you count when an artist goes on a “if your politics are different than mine fuck you don’t listen to me” rant, I have no problem giving them their wish there |
DadKungFu
05.29.25 | The worst part is the hypocrisy |
ToSmokMuzyki
05.29.25 | good point, the forest becomes tainted with evil and must be burned |
ToSmokMuzyki
05.29.25 | how does one go about purchasing this dick stuff? |
Jasdevi087
05.29.25 | based on how hot they are |
Sharenge
05.29.25 | not very good at drawing was never the artistic one |
ToSmokMuzyki
05.29.25 | there is no shame in using a ruler |
rockarollacola
05.30.25 | "Is it weird that I want level 4 and 5 swapped?"
No, this is just arranged according to my moral compass. I'm sure the levels would vary in position for every user. |
bellovddd
05.30.25 | apart from ronnie being an absolute fucking goose the music is unbearable in everyway anyways. |
rockarollacola
05.30.25 | true |
veninblazer
05.30.25 | Level 4 if I was already not a huge fan, Level 7 in all other circumstances |
